January 7, 2012 
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January 7, 2012 [00:01:05] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[00:01:28] *** dajhorn has joined #openindiana[00:04:17] *** DocHoliday has joined #openindiana[00:11:27] *** kovert has quit IRC[00:16:19] *** kovert has joined #openindiana[00:24:08] *** hugo has quit IRC[00:25:50] *** flyz has quit IRC[00:27:59] *** init3 has quit IRC[00:30:06] *** init3 has joined #openindiana[01:09:50] *** gaYak has joined #openindiana[01:24:24] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[01:24:25] *** Mech0z_ has joined #openindiana[01:26:08] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[01:39:02] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[01:53:47] *** Mech0z_ has quit IRC[01:55:12] *** wickedwonka has joined #openindiana[01:58:43] <xenol> anyone having sun studio 12 compilers to download? i don't see to be able to do so from oracle page..[02:00:02] *** laogrymt has quit IRC[02:01:53] <tomww> xenol: why? you clicked the button for accepting the license?[02:02:13] <tomww> the web page then switches to display the links in that table[02:02:47] <xenol> i go to http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+tools/sun_studio_12_tools and select "Sep 2009 download"[02:03:08] <xenol> when i click there i get redirected to oracle page.. do i need to be registered?[02:05:02] <herzen> yes[02:05:09] <alanc> no, you need a time machine - that version is no longer available for download[02:05:30] *** wickedwonka has quit IRC[02:06:08] <xenol> i am following http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Building+with+oi-build[02:08:15] <alanc> I guess no one updated that when the old Sun download site was shut down[02:08:29] <xenol> i am getting one from http://download.oracle.com/docs/cds/E19205-01.zip[02:08:35] <xenol> it seems to be sun studio 12.1[02:08:50] <xenol> is that correct one?[02:09:04] <alanc> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-142582.html has the older versions[02:10:02] <xenol> should i downlaod the one for s10 or s11 ?[02:10:04] <alanc> 12.1 should work for everything but the ON/illumos gate I think[02:10:39] <richlowe> Think with 12.1 the build completes but is known to be incorrect in some unspecified ways.[02:11:05] <richlowe> if you want to build illumos, and you don't have the precise 12+patches, use GCC[02:11:26] <alanc> did illumos workaround the hsfs bug in unpatched 12.1? that's the biggest one I remember[02:11:35] <richlowe> Nope[02:11:36] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[02:11:42] <xenol> i am setting up build environenment for building packages. (i want to test some and contribute to oi)[02:11:45] <alanc> probably just because that's the one I spent the most time with[02:11:55] <xenol> got some makefiles written, need to fine tune them[02:12:10] <richlowe> alanc: maybe milan will[02:12:51] <alanc> yeah, I saw his 12.3 lint patches, which seemed reasonable, but like a tiny tip of the work required[02:13:15] <richlowe> fixing stuff lint finds is, at least, usually worth while[02:13:29] <richlowe> but yeah, I'm not certain doing the rest is actually possible without knowledge we can't really have[02:13:37] <richlowe> sorta glad I don't need to care[02:14:07] <alanc> they looked to mainly be removing unnecessary break; after return statements, which won't generate bad binaries, just needless cruft for developers to read[02:14:56] <richlowe> Yeah, I look forward to a mail_msg[02:14:56] <jk4> is there a target date for stable build?[02:15:16] <richlowe> it's pretty easy to get into a world where lint and the shadow build disagree such that it's hard to shut them _both_ up[02:19:41] <joshua_> ok, huh[02:19:48] <joshua_> I cannot seem to resolve download.blastwave.org[02:20:31] <richlowe> I doubt any of us know anything at all about blastwave[02:20:35] <richlowe> probably haven't even used it recently.[02:20:49] *** noahmehl has quit IRC[02:21:24] <joshua_> hah. ok.[02:21:43] <joshua_> is there somewhere else I should be going for software that isn't in the base distro?[02:21:44] *** noahmehl has joined #openindiana[02:22:52] <joshua_> fo rinstance, mailman)[02:32:34] <jk4> pkgsrc opencsw[02:32:39] <jk4> sfe[02:36:03] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[02:38:56] <herzen> smrt: explain oi-sfe[02:38:57] <smrt> The SFE package repository is an "extras" package repository, supplementing the core OI distribution with additional software from the Spec Files Extra project. See http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Spec+Files+Extra+Repository[02:40:26] <herzen> it doesn't have mailman, though.[02:45:25] *** herzen has quit IRC[02:45:28] *** Triskelios has joined #openindiana[03:01:05] *** herzen has joined #openindiana[03:07:14] <joshua_> also, how do I convince a zone to update its /etc/passwd without rebooting?[03:07:55] <bdha> What?[03:08:44] <joshua_> ok, what I said is probably a littl emore worrying than I meant for it to be :P[03:08:53] <joshua_> I meant 'without rebooting the zone', but apparently forgot to type that[03:08:59] <joshua_> I note that:[03:09:01] <joshua_> root at mail:~/mailman-2 dot 1.14# mount | grep /etc/passwd[03:09:05] <joshua_> /etc/passwd on /etc/passwd read only/setuid/devices/dev=2d90002 on Sat Oct 1 17:46:04 2011[03:09:28] <joshua_> I proceeded to update the global zone's /etc/passwd, however, and the 'mail' zone seems to not see th eupdate[03:10:15] <bdha> You're mounting the file via lofs? What command/config did you use?[03:10:33] <bdha> That's the wrong methodology, as well, but that's up to you.[03:10:41] <joshua_> I do not remember explicitly doing it[03:10:55] <joshua_> I believe that it was set up for me that way[03:11:15] <bdha> nopaste the contents of the zone config from /etc/zone/whatever.xml.[03:11:21] <joshua_> wilco[03:12:11] <joshua_> http://www.pastebin.com/M4djrzQb[03:13:45] <joshua_> I believe this was the default when I set up the zone ...[03:13:53] <bdha> That isn't a default.[03:13:57] <joshua_> (I thought it was actually kind of a nice feature!)[03:14:08] <joshua_> Huh. Let me look...[03:14:10] <bdha> Anyway, it should Just Work.[03:14:33] <bdha> I use lofs mounts pretty heavily to mitigate wasted space on SAS pools (ie looping /usr/pkg into each zone from the global).[03:15:03] <joshua_> yeah, the setup directions I have here that I used to create this did not do that...[03:15:23] <joshua_> I'm confused because it *doesn't* seem to work.[03:16:35] <joshua_> I can do an md5sum outside the zone and inside, and they're different.[03:16:50] <bdha> http://dpaste.com/683153/ # Works.[03:18:00] <bdha> http://dpaste.com/683154/[03:18:09] <joshua_> Yeah. I wonder if it is lofs-bound to some earlier snapshot in the root dataset or something?[03:18:16] <bdha> No.[03:18:47] <joshua_> I mean:[03:18:49] <joshua_> joshua@moroso:/etc$ md5sum passwd[03:18:49] <joshua_> 12326128e5129676bf138d832ceb60a4 passwd[03:18:49] <joshua_> joshua@moroso:/etc$ sudo zlogin mail md5sum /etc/passwd[03:18:49] <joshua_> 859cc6e10002f3739420c671736749ba /etc/passwd[03:19:26] <bdha> Odd.[03:19:27] <joshua_> (yes, yes, I know, I should be be using RBAC, but...)[03:20:18] <joshua_> Oh, no, this was not a default. I bound it in by hand.[03:20:34] <joshua_> This was done because this is the mail zone, and it needs access to the system passwd database to be able to deliver mail.[03:21:07] <joshua_> Well, so, I guess I could just umount it and remount it from the global zone, but that seems like something of a bodge...[03:21:39] <patdk-lap> why bother with keeping the password list in passwd?[03:21:53] <patdk-lap> ldap?[03:22:04] * bdha uses Chef to manage users.[03:22:21] <bdha> For large installs, LDAP makes sense.[03:22:29] <joshua_> yeah, this is a small install[03:22:31] <bdha> Though I've had it wedge itself on me enough over the years that I hate it.[03:22:32] <joshua_> though it is all kerberized, so...[03:22:49] <joshua_> I have mostly avoided LDAP by way of idmapd[03:40:09] *** randw has quit IRC[03:41:57] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[03:42:07] *** randw has joined #openindiana[03:51:52] <deraps> anyone have a sec to help me make sense of what is probably a trivial permissions problem? (/noob)[03:53:06] <bdha> ?[03:54:00] <xenol> deraps: ask a question, don't ask if you can ask[03:55:08] <deraps> i have a folder shared via cifs to a linux client. the client can read and write just fine to it. what is odd is that on the OI server, the perms, owner and group, and timestamp are all ?????[03:55:42] <deraps> that is when i am logged in as the user that the linux client is using to mount the share. when i su to root, i can see the perms correctly[03:56:09] *** kshannon has quit IRC[03:56:57] <deraps> and when logged in as root I ls, i see that the files are even owned by the user that only sees the ??????[04:00:24] *** kshannon has joined #openindiana[04:03:12] *** tsoome1 has joined #openindiana[04:03:12] *** tsoome has quit IRC[04:03:12] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[04:08:52] *** Neddie has joined #openindiana[04:18:01] *** randw has quit IRC[04:21:24] *** RobbieCrash has joined #openindiana[04:39:19] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[04:45:13] <gentoofan> Can you guys boot off a RAIDZ2 pool?[04:46:32] *** _404_Error_ has quit IRC[04:53:36] <bdha> No.[04:55:44] <RobbieCrash> ARGH, why is OSX 10.6 so bloody hard to get working properly with file shares![05:00:28] <RobbieCrash> Side note, why did setting permissions with "chmod a+r,g+w -R /dir" work to set permissions but chmod 766 -R /dir did not?[05:08:45] <alanc> 766 would remove the +x bit, hosing users ability to list files in the directory - +r,+w leaves the +x bit alone[05:12:49] *** hajma has quit IRC[05:14:54] <RobbieCrash> Oh crap, right. But still, either way, everyone should be able to read, right?[05:18:32] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[05:33:44] *** Orii has joined #openindiana[05:44:00] *** Neddie has quit IRC[05:47:44] *** brougham has quit IRC[05:52:14] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[05:58:37] *** brougham has joined #openindiana[05:59:26] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[06:06:39] <RobbieCrash> I ask because even after doing it as chmod 777 -R /dir other users were still not able to read the file, but after doing it with a+r,g+w,o+wrx everything was fine[06:28:06] <adama> chmod 755 :>[06:48:59] <crsd> deraps: could you pastebin an example?[06:50:05] <deraps> crsd: i just did a sudo chmod 777 on the whole folder and it cleared it up. i can live with those perms here for now.[06:50:09] <deraps> but thx :D[06:50:51] <deraps> it was just seeming like the owner of the files and folder couldn't read the acl, but root could. /shrug :D[06:52:42] <RobbieCrash> How well does OI cope with being transplanted to new hardware? I'd like to move it from an AMD Fusion based system to an i3[06:52:46] <crsd> I wonder which ls you are using though[06:53:26] <deraps> crsd: in that case i meant the standard list one, not the /usr/bin/ls one[06:53:41] <deraps> and i was getting output like: ??????????? ? ? ? ? ? Music[06:54:00] <crsd> so /usr/gnu/bin/ls?[06:54:12] <crsd> ah[06:54:15] <deraps> yes[06:54:44] <RobbieCrash> deraps I just had a similar problem. chowning to the proper user again, then resetting to u+rwx,g+r,o-wrx worked for me rather than 777'ing it[06:55:07] <RobbieCrash> Using numeric didn't work for me though, which I don't get.[06:56:15] <deraps> hmm. i'll keep that in mind. i also am not sure how it even got that way in the first place. the clients were all reading and writing fine[06:56:42] <RobbieCrash> smb shares?[06:56:47] <RobbieCrash> or cifs[06:56:53] <RobbieCrash> whatever, same thing.[06:57:06] <deraps> yeah, cifs with ubuntu and windows clients[06:58:25] <RobbieCrash> Same issue here. There's a few mailing list posts about it as well that I found. 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installing from sfe now, thanks[19:07:53] <lattera> didn't know it wasn't part of the base system, but rather as a package[19:10:09] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[19:10:21] <lattera> nice, openvpn's working now[19:10:25] <lattera> thanks[19:11:43] <tomww> I would call that: perfect.[19:12:22] <tomww> no chance to do ong linuxoid kernel updates just to get a stupid tun device. I hope so much you can accept that it "just works" ?[19:12:22] <lattera> lol[19:12:33] <tomww> s/ong/long/[19:16:05] <lattera> now I need to install a dyndns client and we'll call it good for today[19:16:15] <lattera> any recommendations? (preferrably one in sfe)[19:18:13] <tomww> SFEddclient.spec probably, but I don't know if ddclient works with your preferred dyndns provider[19:18:29] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[19:18:34] <lattera> haven't picked out a dyndns provider, yet[19:18:40] <tomww> and if it is not in SFE, then this would be dropping a not to herzen[19:18:50] *** herzen has joined #openindiana[19:18:59] <lattera> kk[19:19:33] <tomww> my favoured one was dyndns, but as the free use grew too much, then were forced to lock / limit the free offerings[19:19:42] <tomww> s/a not/a note/[19:19:43] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[19:26:29] *** fiyawerx has joined #openindiana[19:27:24] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[19:35:27] *** merzo has quit IRC[19:43:29] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[19:45:11] <fiyawerx> with the latest versions of OI, do you still need to do special things like creating your zpool on another system to get ashift of 12 for 4k sector drives?[19:49:47] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[19:51:29] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:00:24] *** PlasticLawnDaemo has quit IRC[20:02:15] *** kart_ has quit IRC[20:05:24] *** worsoe has joined #openindiana[20:24:18] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:32:41] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[20:46:02] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[20:47:31] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[21:03:24] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[21:03:26] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[21:11:35] *** spanglywires has left #openindiana[21:14:59] *** raichoo has quit IRC[21:15:08] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[21:16:13] *** IDoNotCare is now known as IDoNotKnow[21:16:44] *** magyar has quit IRC[21:17:01] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[21:20:12] *** APTX has joined #openindiana[21:35:33] *** Burnerx has joined #openindiana[21:37:51] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[21:37:51] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[21:38:47] *** Burner has quit IRC[21:39:49] *** raichoo has quit IRC[21:41:54] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[21:46:32] *** girafe has quit IRC[21:59:15] *** herzen has quit IRC[22:07:07] *** hajma_ has joined #openindiana[22:07:14] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[22:10:32] *** hajma has quit IRC[22:19:22] *** descipher has quit IRC[22:19:49] *** descipher has joined #openindiana[22:24:26] *** descipher has quit IRC[22:24:54] *** descipher has joined #openindiana[22:27:35] *** mixis has quit IRC[22:27:39] *** mixis has joined #openindiana[22:30:55] *** gentoofan has quit IRC[22:30:55] *** gentoofan has joined #openindiana[22:34:31] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[22:34:48] *** datadigger has quit IRC[22:36:52] *** datadigger has joined #openindiana[22:37:26] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[22:47:03] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[22:47:03] *** Botanic_ has quit IRC[22:47:03] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[22:50:15] *** Botanic has quit IRC[22:51:34] *** bens1 has quit IRC[22:51:38] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[22:52:20] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[23:08:06] *** jurikm has quit IRC[23:45:14] *** descipher has quit IRC[23:45:42] *** descipher has joined #openindiana[23:45:47] *** mikeoooo has left #openindiana[23:52:18] *** enmand has quit IRC[23:57:17] *** worsoe has quit IRC