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[00:12:02] <Guy-> does zfs really have a link count limit of 65536, or is that only zfsonlinux?
[00:14:01] <tomww> could be the virtual filesystem layer who limits this number
[00:14:22] <Guy-> xfs on linux goes up to 2^32-1
[00:14:30] <Guy-> so possible but unlikely
[00:14:39] <Guy-> could be the solaris portability layer zfsonlinux uses
[00:15:17] <tomww> is that high number really usable on linux then? (xfs case)
[00:15:23] <Guy-> yes
[00:15:32] <Guy-> that's how I discovered the zfsonlinux limit
[00:15:35] <tomww> I see, that way you discoverd this :)
[00:16:01] <Guy-> I tried to rsync -H an xfs volume that had an inode with a link count of 892415 to zfsonlinux :)
[00:16:13] <tomww> I would ask the people who did this port, they probably though no normal man on earth *) would use that high number of links
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[00:16:21] <tomww> with *) eq linux :)
[00:16:38] <tomww> 892415 thats huge
[00:16:53] <Guy-> well... I'll grant you it's slightly more than usual :)
[00:17:38] <tomww> what a shame that exactly zfs on the linux port suffers in that point... (every other filesystem, okay..)
[00:17:56] <Guy-> I don't have easy access to a solaris box right now; if you have the time, maybe you could test this with a tiny script?
[00:18:14] <Guy-> touch foo; seq 1 262144 | while read i; do ln foo $i; done
[00:18:15] <Guy-> oslt
[00:18:52] <Guy-> it's not very important, it just bugs me :)
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[00:20:56] <tomww> well, I can run a test right now, only it tasks a second
[00:21:19] <tomww> and you can sit down and see our machine going down with this test :)
[00:21:33] <tomww> that was what you where after? (:
[00:21:41] <tomww> 12000
[00:21:54] <Guy-> it really is killing the box? :o
[00:22:00] <Guy-> I find that surprising
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[00:22:25] <Guy-> if I had said "ln foo $i &; done", then I'd understand :)
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[01:05:57] <tomww> 127999
[01:05:57] <tomww> 128000
[01:05:57] <tomww> tom@s11175:/s11pool/var/test$ ls -l mother
[01:06:02] <tomww> no it doesn't
[01:06:24] <tomww> I's only in a deep dive into merging svn contents for vlc
[01:07:32] <tomww> so you can now go and bug those zfs_linux porting guys
[01:07:34] <tomww> :)
[01:07:55] <tomww> I tested on S11 FCS (the official release)
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[02:48:33] <GuyFawke> Greetings. I am trying to replace an rpool disk with a new one. I have booted onto a live cd / terminal and have the new disk on a usb drive [external], how do I identify and copy the original disk(s) ?
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[03:13:50] <GuyFawke> Hi. I need to replace the rpool disks [from SSD to mechanical]. What is the best way to do this [currently booted into a external terminal so no disks are mounted].
[03:16:19] <myrkraverk> Is it of interest to any of you that I have a commented template code to parse command line arguments with flex&yacc? In C.
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[04:04:35] <Guy-> tomww: thank you!
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[08:09:31] <Garo_> is there some roadmap when OI will gain the zpool features up to version 31 (encryption as my primary concern)?
[08:10:16] <bdha> Oracle is not releasing source, so no.
[08:10:43] <richlowe> The moment you take the zfs encryption code we _do_ have, and finish it.
[08:11:00] <richlowe> like all things opensolaris, the number of people who care decreases to 0 the moment you suggest activity. :\
[08:11:03] <Garo_> does this mean that OI will never support zpool versions above 28?
[08:11:17] <richlowe> For practical purposes, yes.
[08:11:28] <richlowe> Since we'd have no way to do so compatibly, it wouldn't be safe, even if we added the same features.
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[08:11:41] <richlowe> for some it'd actually be possible, but it's linear, so it'd mostly be not.
[08:11:46] <richlowe> that's ahrens and co were working on feature flags
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[08:12:48] <Garo_> is the encryption code the only thing which Oracle has held back, or is the codepaths between OI and Solaris 11 Express divorced for good?
[08:13:07] <richlowe> For good
[08:13:19] <richlowe> no source to the actual OS, just the already open bits surrounding it. No clue to how long that will last either
[08:13:27] <richlowe> all services that were on opensolaris.org slowly either shutting down, or becoming private
[08:14:16] <Garo_> :(
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[08:26:46] <Okona> so no one will be stopping you to implement your version of zfs encryption. Or persuading Oracle to open up the code.
[08:27:15] <Okona> .oO(whichever is easier. I'd opt for the former)
[08:28:01] <Garo_> yep. unfortunately Oracle's trackrecord against opensource is pretty solid :(
[08:28:46] <alanc> it's actually all over the place, depending on the part of the company and the current management thereof
[08:29:00] <alanc> Oracle's Linux team contributes well to the Linux kernel
[08:29:32] <alanc> all depends on what the managers think is most profitable and politic at any given time
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[08:36:31] <Norrin> that's a bleak picture richlowe
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[08:37:51] <Okona> Well, Linux licensing forces them to contribute their changes, i'd say.
[08:38:07] <Okona> Watching "Fork yeah!
[08:38:18] <Okona> by Cantrill enforces the bleak picture...
[08:41:35] <Agnar> well, that's how capitalism works "if it brings cash, then do it" :)
[08:42:05] <Agnar> so...if you want something done, make the decision-makers believe it brings cash :)
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[09:39:29] <floogy> I got issues with the ntpd. ntpdate claims : no servers can be used, exiting
[09:42:46] <tsoome> man ntpdate would really help
[09:43:29] <floogy> Ah, got some typos in ntp.conf
[09:44:09] <floogy> tsoome, thank you. I'll have a look into that man page
[09:45:27] <tsoome> just an hint, ntpdate does not care about config file. at all.
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[10:04:42] <floogy> tsoome, yes I noticed that in the man pages. Thought that would be a way to test if the setup was successful. ;)
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[10:10:22] <EisNerd> damn
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[10:10:41] <EisNerd> is it somehow known that there is a problem with oi cifs and samba 3.6 client?
[10:10:45] <EisNerd> in ad mode
[10:11:02] <EisNerd> I get always a NT_STATUS_WRONG_PASSWORD
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[10:18:54] <floogy> tsoome, if I try to join to an Active Dicectory by openindiana/napp-it web-gui it gives this error: step 1: Timesync with ad-server 192.168.70.5: 5 Jan 10:15:00 ntpdate[11205]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:21:11] <floogy> The domaincontroler must offer an ntp time server? Or is something wrong with the use of ntpdate in the web-ui script? ntpdate 192.168.70.5 gives the same error.
[10:21:30] <madwizard> Coffee
[10:22:00] <lblume> madwizard: Oh, yeeees.
[10:23:32] <Agnar> floogy: *afaik* every windows AD *must* offer a ntp time server. if not even act as it.
[10:23:57] <Agnar> floogy: but, I'm not a windows guy. maybe you should ask your Windows-Admin
[10:24:23] <matsim> floogy: It seems some of my linux boxes also have troubl syncing with the windows dcs with same error
[10:26:55] <JT-EC> Yeah, AD is quite time sensitive so normally all internal systems will sync off the PDC and that will be the only machine that syncs externally. A normal alternative it to push an ntp server to sync to via GPO so that everything gets the same time source.
[10:28:43] <floogy> I must admid, that I'm not an IT professional at all, and I think I also have to read and understand the ntpdate man page. ntpq -p gives e.g. zefiris.semidef 192.53.103.108, but ntpdate throws the same error on ntpdate 192.53.103.108
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[10:29:24] <Ownage> can someone help me set up lacp on two ports
[10:29:58] <floogy> I already joined a freenas or openfiler box to that active directory. Therefor I think it's possible to do that with oi.
[10:31:22] <Ownage> or.. hmm maybe it did it
[10:35:09] <Ownage> is there some command to turn on the lacp of an aggr? I see LACPACTIVITY off
[10:35:10] <floogy> Could it be, that I must only use the AD PDC IP as a server in ntpd.conf, to make sure that joining the ad would be successful?
[10:35:31] <Ownage> you shouldn't need anything in any ntp conf to join ads
[10:35:40] <Ownage> all you have to do is have the times synced
[10:36:38] <Ownage> my switch sees both trunk members as not partered
[10:36:59] <Ownage> however lacp status is success and lacp enabled is active on the switch side
[10:39:35] <Ownage> also see in the switch, port K1 is Blocked by LACP and port K2 is Blocked by LACP
[10:41:44] <lennard> huh, is this common? : /dev/dsk/c2t11d0s0 overlaps with /dev/dsk/c2t11d0s2
[10:42:01] <lennard> I mean, I'd pretty much expect the overlap to always be the case
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[10:56:31] <Agnar> ERROR: could not open master side of zone console for colab to acquire slave handle: Device busy
[10:57:18] <Agnar> something is fucked up here. ps -ef hangs on global zone, opening a new termin in "screen" takes very long...
[10:57:55] <Agnar> new login generally hang...
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[11:07:45] <Ownage> in case anyone finds this in a log somewhere the fix for lacp not showing partner was to do dladm modify-aggr -l active aggr1
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[11:23:57] <tsoome> lennard: rpool mirror?
[11:24:53] <lennard> indeed
[11:25:03] <tsoome> then its perfectly normal
[11:27:45] <tsoome> SMI label always has s2 defined from 0 to $, its basically never used, but its there nevertheless.
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[11:50:43] <ironmunk> I believe s2 is used to refer to the whole drive
[11:52:12] <ironmunk> if you look in parted it will show it with the full range of available cylinders
[11:52:53] <tsoome> it is, yes:P
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[12:14:49] <lblume> On x86, the whole Solaris partition, not the whole drive.
[12:15:08] <lblume> p0 is the whole drive.
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[12:16:42] <Tenzer> Ehm, isn't p0 refering to the first partition? As s0 is refering to the first slice?
[12:16:56] <lennard> no, p1-p4 are partitions
[12:18:09] <lblume> Yup.
[12:18:18] <lblume> Fun, heh? :-)
[12:18:26] <Tenzer> Okay, I don't really use partitions on OI machines, only slices :P
[12:18:26] <lennard> not really, no :)
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[12:18:48] <lennard> since the drive *without* any pX or sX also seems to be the whole disk
[12:19:09] <lennard> and yet I'm still not sure if d0 == d0p0 == d0s2
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[12:19:38] <lblume> Tenzer: And you can also use po:c to address partitions using letters :-)
[12:20:13] <lblume> lennard: Like I said, *not* s2. s2 on x86 is the whole Solaris *partition*
[12:20:42] <lennard> oh ok
[12:20:53] <lennard> that kinda makes sense
[12:20:59] <Tenzer> It reminds me of GRUB and its way of identifying drives and partitions. One of the two start numbering at 0 and the other at 1, meaning the first partition on the first drive is specified as "0:1" or the other way around
[12:21:05] <ironmunk> thankfully you only really need to deal with all that stuff on your rpool drives, zfs just munches drives whole
[12:21:16] <ironmunk> for other pools
[12:21:16] <lennard> Tenzer: ah, but *which* grub?
[12:22:10] <Tenzer> GRUB legacy at least, I don't know if that has been improved in GRUB2 - I hope it is
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[12:23:10] <lblume> Hmmm, I just noticed, there are p[0-4] links for drives using EFI, in data zpools. That is kinda weird.
[12:24:51] <lblume> lennard: And only EFI drives have a d0, not SMI ones, so it seems there's no equality with p0 there either.
[12:27:14] <Ownage> is chown 000 not valid?
[12:27:22] <Ownage> oh shoot I'm tired =]
[12:28:27] <Ownage> isn't /bin/chmod 000 foldername supposed to remove all access to it, with acl ?
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[12:37:33] <Ownage> can anyone tell me why this idmap rule doesn't work
[12:37:54] <Ownage> winuser:* at mydomain dot com unixuser:*
[12:38:19] <Ownage> I see it all over the web. but it doesn't work for me. if I make a file as me it just shows up as 2147483649
[12:38:43] <Ownage> however if I delete that rule and make this one: winuser:nathan at mydomain dot com unixuser:nathan it does work(!)
[12:41:03] <Ownage> oh, quoting
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[18:48:17] <philhar> Hi All. I've downloaded the open indiana live text iso, booted into it and gone into the shell. How do I go about configured it as an SSH server so that I may login via ssh? is there a user already? previously it was jack/jack
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[19:11:20] <Alowishus> I've got someone telling me that they turn the dedupe flag on and off nightly via cron jobs so that it will do a scan and dedupe data that exists on the disk. I told them they're nuts. I'm right, right?
[19:11:53] <Patrickdk> dedup doesn't scan
[19:12:02] <Patrickdk> dedup only updates when you write to the disk
[19:12:37] <Alowishus> yes that was my understanding
[19:12:50] <Alowishus> just wanted to see if I'd gone nuts :)
[19:12:51] <Alowishus> thanks
[19:13:09] <Patrickdk> all he has to do is check his dedup ratio
[19:13:17] <Alowishus> I'll suggest that his magical Sunday night shrinkage is probably due to logrotate :)
[19:17:13] <Patrickdk> zfs list -o name,type,used,avail,refer,ratio,compress,dedup
[19:17:30] <Patrickdk> ratio will show how good it is, but ratio also includes compression
[19:17:45] <Patrickdk> so if he has compression off, and dedup on, then it would just show how good dedup is
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[19:44:14] <axisys> is there a sparc version available ?
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[19:49:25] <Triskelios> axisys: no
[19:49:57] <axisys> Triskelios: any plan to have a sparc flavor in the future maybe?
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[19:50:38] <Alasdairrr> axisys: if you make it, sure
[19:51:31] <axisys> Alasdairrr: so in theory illumos code could be compiled on sparc platform to build a distro ?
[19:51:43] <Alasdairrr> axisys: yes absolutely
[19:51:46] <Alasdairrr> all the bits are there
[19:51:49] <Alasdairrr> it just needs assembling
[19:51:57] <axisys> Alasdairrr: gotcha..
[19:51:58] <Tenzer> axisys: It was what was done for OpenSolaris
[19:52:18] <Alasdairrr> Many have attempted, many have gotten bored and given up
[19:53:08] <axisys> Alasdairrr: plus it make sense to spend not much time since when you buy a sparc from oracle you get the support for it anyways..
[19:53:27] <axisys> i might be generalizing it too much
[19:54:06] <Tenzer> axisys: Some people have SPARC servers already for which they don't want to pay for support
[19:54:32] <Tenzer> After all, SPARC as a platform has existed for ages
[19:54:49] <Tenzer> Since 1987, according to Wikipedia
[19:55:05] <axisys> is there still a opensolaris distro somewhere that would run on sparc?
[19:55:21] <axisys> Tenzer: wow
[19:55:49] <Alasdairrr> I think my Android phone is faster than a 5 year old SPARC
[19:55:53] <Tenzer> Sure, OpenSolaris b134 runs on SPARC without problems. It doesn't have the latest ZFS bits, etc., but it works
[19:55:57] <Alasdairrr> I don't know why people bother keeping old SPARC kit in service
[19:56:02] <Alasdairrr> s/SPARC//g
[19:56:27] <Alasdairrr> Other than nostalgia reasons
[19:56:28] <Alasdairrr> \o/
[19:56:40] <Tenzer> Alasdairrr: Probably because they run legacy software written for the platform, just like the mainframes running out there
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[19:58:01] <axisys> Tenzer: would you have a link? everyone I click takes me to oracle solaris 11
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<Tenzer> axisys: I'm not sure Oracle provides a download for it any more, they don't run package mirrors for it anymore as well: http://pkg.opensolaris.org/
[19:59:30] <sebasp> axisys: No bits for OpenSolaris are available from the Opensolaris project.
[20:00:07] <Tenzer> You'll have to search the web for an ISO, and you can then set it to use pkg.openindiana.org/legacy as it's pkg repository - I think that contains SPARC bits, Alasdairrr ?
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[20:07:29] <axisys> .iso is downloadable that is
[20:08:43] <Triskelios> Tenzer: /legacy should, it was a full mirror
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[20:11:34] <axisys> sebasp, Triskelios, Tenzer : thanks
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<randw> axisys: the last osol dev release (134) can still be found here: http://okcosug.org/
[20:22:23] <matsim> Btw does someone know what happened to genunix.org? redirects to blastwave saying "These aren't the droids you're looking for." a
[20:26:44] <axisys> randw: thanks
[20:27:41] <sebasp> I'm a newbie at this OI and illumos thing and I would like to know if my current understanding of where things are is right :)
[20:28:08] <sebasp> code for oi lives at hg.openindiana.org
[20:29:13] <sebasp> code for illumos-gate lives everywhere :) ( hg.illumos.org / github / bitbucket )
[20:29:13] <Triskelios> we should probably put a copy of the 134 images on DLC just for convenience
[20:30:00] <sebasp> Build doc for illumos-gate seems to be up2date as I'm able to build just fine.
[20:30:43] <Tenzer> Triskelios: It should then be with a note that the pkg publisher needs to be changed in order to work
[20:30:44] <sebasp> My question is mainly for the build instruction for OI, could not really find what was up2date and what was not? Could I help here?
[20:31:21] <nahamu> ls
[20:31:25] <nahamu> sorry
[20:32:03] <Triskelios> sebasp: the instructions for the individual consolidations should be correct
[20:33:12] <Triskelios> sebasp: it's not exactly an easy task right now to build everything from scratch, but more will be automated in illumos-userland
[20:36:23] <sebasp> Triskelios: Ok, I just want to make sure I have a good build env to integrate userland tools, mainly dovecot for now.
[20:37:51] <sebasp> Also, should I put dovecot in SFE or in oi-build ?
[20:40:31] <herzen> there's already a spec for dovecot in SFE.
[20:41:26] <herzen> and the package is in the oi-sfe repo.
[20:41:50] <herzen> but dovecot should be in userland.
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[20:43:12] <sebasp> so moving it in oi-build would make sense
[20:43:44] <herzen> yes
[20:45:00] <sebasp> ok...will see if I'm able to at least do that in my dev env. Thanks much.
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[23:31:16] <Alasdairrr> JonS__: okay can you pastebin "pkg publisher", "pkg list" and "pkg image-update -nv"
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[23:35:59] <JonS__> Alasdairrr: Just to be clear I am running form a BE (nightly-2012-01-04-uefi) the only one on my system I deleted the original oi_151a instal (if it matters).
[23:42:16] <JonS__> Alasdairrr: Just to be clear my illumos.sh does the following: export ONNV_BUILDNUM=152
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[23:58:06] <Alasdairrr> JonS__: *clicks*
[23:58:30] <Alasdairrr> JonS__: I have no idea why your zone won't install :(