January 4, 2012 
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January 4, 2012 [00:04:36] <gentoofan> Yesterday, someone showed me a one-liner for creating a ZRAID1, a zpool and a ZFS filesystem using files in an existing filesystem, but I neglected to write it down. Does anyone know off hand what that command was?[00:05:51] <Guest92061> look who it is =][00:06:00] *** Guest92061 is now known as Ownage[00:06:05] <Orii> :D[00:06:10] <tsoome> create files with mkfile and use them as devices (full path)[00:06:31] <Ownage> your question is a little ambiguous[00:06:32] <tsoome> beware this is only for test purposes, not for production.[00:06:36] *** init3 has quit IRC[00:06:50] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[00:07:07] <Ownage> if you have already zpool called data (mounting to /data) you could do zfs create data/something and that would appear to be inside of the other fs[00:07:08] *** init3 has joined #openindiana[00:07:21] <Ownage> or like he said you can use files inside another fs to be your actual 'disks' to make the raid yeah[00:08:22] <Ownage> zpool create myzfsness raidz /path/filename1 /path/filename2 /path/filename3[00:08:29] <Ownage> I believe you can specify path like that[00:08:47] <Ownage> use mkfile to create them (like a dd if=/dev/zero of=filename....)[00:09:14] <tsoome> for import you need to use -d[00:10:23] * gentoofan is talking in far too many channels at the moment. :/[00:11:10] <gentoofan> I plan to do this to experiment with some things. I don't plan to run it like this for production use.[00:11:20] <Ownage> we're not positive on what you're trying to do[00:11:28] <Ownage> your words can be interpreted many ways =][00:11:54] <Ownage> I'm assuming you want to make a raidz out of FILE devices instead of actual disks, for testing[00:12:03] <gentoofan> I am just trying to learn how ZFS works.[00:12:07] <gentoofan> Ownage: That is exactly what I want to do.[00:12:28] <Ownage> we gave you three different answers because your Q was able to be interpreted several ways.[00:12:47] <Ownage> the answer you want is this one: use mkfile to make some files, then use that zpool command I said[00:13:28] <Ownage> http://blogs.oracle.com/migi/entry/playing_with_zfs_filesystem[00:13:40] <gentoofan> Thanks. :)[00:14:11] <Ownage> I am Nathan___ the guy who was talking to you about how I hate osx and such[00:14:23] <gentoofan> Ah, hi.[00:14:25] <alanc> also, if you were told here yesterday, then as the /topic notes, there are logs at http://echelog.com/?openindiana[00:14:36] <gentoofan> Oh, I forgot. Thanks. :)[00:14:53] <Ownage> wow cool[00:15:20] <tsoome> google can find the logs as well;)[00:15:43] <gentoofan> Here it is: [09:27:03] <Agnar> gentoofan: for i in 0 1 2 3 4; do mkfile 100m poolfile$i; done; zpool create testraid raidz `pwd`/poolfile*; done[00:16:20] <tsoome> isnt it like unix command line for beginners?:P[00:17:19] <Ownage> `` is generally considered to be deprecated[00:17:38] <tsoome> ? why[00:17:47] <pettson> $() is nicer looking.[00:17:54] <Ownage> because it gets really confusing to '"'`'"''' parse that stuff[00:18:11] <alanc> $() also handles nesting better[00:18:16] <tsoome> `pwd` is way more readable;)[00:18:21] <Ownage> and $( ) fits into the newer bash schema of having programming-style visuals[00:18:28] <pettson> But /bin/sh on Solaris 10 (at least), doesn't understand $(), so I'd still go for `` if it must be portable.[00:18:35] <Ownage> also it makes actual sense[00:18:41] <Ownage> $() means the output from ()[00:18:45] <tsoome> chsh /bin/perl ;)[00:19:10] <Ownage> there is also for example $(( )) which means the output from (( ))[00:19:25] <Ownage> `` is just kind of alone and dirty[00:20:03] <tsoome> ofc in case of bash you can just use $PWD ;)[00:20:10] <Ownage> haha, win[00:20:42] <Ownage> also[00:21:10] <Ownage> for i in {1..100} I generally prefer to for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10...[00:21:36] <tsoome> but then you whouldnt know what numbers are in between![00:22:07] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[00:23:23] <gentoofan> I actually am playing with ZFS on Linux at the moment. I changed the command to "mkdir /mnt/zfs-test; for i in 0 1 2 3 4; do dd bs=1024 count=262144 if=/dev/zero of="/mnt/zfs-test/poolfile$i"; done; zpool create testraid raidz /mnt/zfs-test/poolfile*;"[00:23:40] <Norrin> fuse?[00:23:51] <gentoofan> http://www.zfsonlinux.org/[00:24:06] <gentoofan> I did a GIT check out and compiled against Linux 3.1.6.[00:24:25] <Ownage> bs=4k[00:24:35] <Ownage> you don't need quotes around the of= part[00:24:56] <Ownage> does that zpool not make the mountpoint? =[[00:24:59] <pettson> Ownage: What is (( )) ? I can't find it in: http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html[00:25:24] <gentoofan> I don't think it matters for dd. That just says what chunk size it uses when copying and it was fast enough. As for the quotes, I added them when debugging a mistake in the original command. Agnar had put done at the end and I didn't catch it.[00:25:56] <Ownage> pettson, it has $(()) which is actually (()) with the added on effect of $[00:26:12] <alanc> (( )) is a ksh/bash extension I think, not part of the POSIX standard[00:26:19] <gentoofan> I've also identified why I was having issues with packet loss on linux. It is a KVM bug. :([00:26:37] <pettson> alanc: Then it doesn't count. :-)[00:26:45] <alanc> oh, no, $(( )) is in POSIX - see 2.6.4 of the link you gave[00:26:54] <gentoofan> It probably affects OpenIndiana as well, but it seems to only cause overflows/dropped packets when using UDP.[00:27:04] <pettson> alanc: I know $(()) is, but not (( ))[00:27:41] <alanc> ah, ksh93 at least accepts (( )) in statements like if (( $foo > 1 ))[00:27:55] <Ownage> pettson, to answer your question I have no idea why it's not on that page, I didn't write it and I don't know offhand what opengroup.org is[00:28:08] <pettson> Okay, crazy. :-)[00:28:10] <Ownage> you don't need $ in that case[00:28:22] <Ownage> oh in ksh[00:28:29] <Ownage> no I'm talking bash[00:28:49] <alanc> opengroup.org is the standards body responsible for the UNIX & XPG standards, and colloborates with IEEE for the POSIX standard[00:29:02] <pettson> I'm trying to use as litle special-stuff as possible for shell-scripting.[00:29:26] <pettson> If i want something more advanced i use pike.[00:29:29] <Ownage> I have no legacy systems anymore =][00:29:54] <alanc> you have to pass the OpenGroup test suite proving conformance with their standards, and then pay them money in order to label your OS as being "UNIX(tm)"[00:30:20] <Ownage> well let me put it this way[00:30:24] <alanc> which is why openindiana will probably never be officially branded as "UNIX(tm)"[00:30:31] <Ownage> if $(()) works for you that's only because (()) works for you =][00:31:30] <gentoofan> alanc: Isn't it UNIX anyway? I don't see what a certification adds to that. :/[00:31:54] <alanc> the certification gives you the ability to use the UNIX name without getting sued[00:32:29] <tsoome> corporative society;)[00:32:46] <alanc> but since no one is putting out advertising for OpenIndiana claiming it's UNIX, nor trying to sell it to agencies/companies that specify standards compliance in RFP's, it probably doesn't matter[00:33:05] <alanc> surely not being UNIX certified hasn't stopped Linux[00:33:17] <tsoome> or *bsd[00:33:19] <Ownage> alanc, you asked what it did.. this illustrates it: user@computer~$ x=1; (( x++ )); echo $x # echoes 2[00:33:40] <Ownage> useful ironically for doing math but not echoing ;)[00:33:50] <alanc> Apple did face a lawsuit over claiming MacOS was UNIX without getting certified, which is now why they certify it[00:34:01] <Ownage> wherein you will use echo $(( ++x )) for example[00:34:18] <alanc> Ownage: not me, pettson was the one asking what (( )) did[00:34:25] <Ownage> I'd like to sue them for claiming they have an operating system[00:34:27] <alanc> I was the one that made a typo in my example[00:34:29] <Ownage> alanc, oh sorry[00:34:46] <tsoome> osx is just fine:P[00:34:56] * Ownage puts on die antwoord evil boy and tries to remember he's working[00:34:58] <tsoome> there are worse things around;)[00:35:03] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[00:35:05] <Ownage> not sure of what[00:35:14] <Ownage> maybe... oh I know.. older versions of osx =D[00:35:21] <tsoome> any linux:P[00:35:29] <Ownage> haha, let's be serious[00:35:44] <Ownage> osx is even more scattered and silly than linux, imo[00:35:52] <Ownage> well as much anyway[00:36:01] <tsoome> it has apps to run.[00:36:14] <tsoome> who needs an os which has no apps.[00:36:21] <tsoome> plain and simple.[00:36:37] <Ownage> I have never wanted a mac-only app before personally[00:36:49] <Ownage> any, ever, for any realm of my life[00:37:01] <tsoome> tbh, it really doesnt matter;)[00:37:02] <Ownage> however I HAVE wanted windows and solaris -only apps[00:37:27] <Ownage> and of course linux gets you lots of the unix features with a very quick set up time[00:37:38] <tsoome> I dont care about windows at all. even less than linux;)[00:37:55] <Ownage> just another tool in the belt to me[00:37:59] <tsoome> yet it has most apps...[00:38:14] <tsoome> so, its there and will be for some time:D[00:38:28] <tsoome> wether i care or not:D[00:38:51] <Ownage> just like source wizard and plan 9[00:39:02] <Ownage> they will be there wether or not I care, hah[00:39:08] <tsoome> :D[00:39:42] <Ownage> sorry source mage =][00:40:38] <tsoome> but about scattered/non-scattered os… well, i have my terminal, ssh, some more apps, i can listen my music and watch my movies, I really dont care if some syscall is going one way or way around.[00:41:02] <tsoome> just as long as the thing will do its job.[00:41:13] <Ownage> that's how I feel about windows, except I can play games on it too and use some windows-only apps without needing vms and such[00:41:20] <tsoome> exactly[00:42:11] <tsoome> I dont wanna bow 10 times in an day and sacrifice my left hand to see my damn video. it just should be there.[00:42:22] <Ownage> young people find it insane when I tell them I use windows at home. sorry but I spend 99% of my computer time in linux, hypervisors, unix, etc... sometimes i just want to think about setting anything up[00:42:32] <Ownage> haha yes we feel the same tsoome =D[00:42:45] <Norrin> nope, no mac only apps that i've wanted. but i have wanted OS X the OS, for the OS, not for the apps. which is why i use it[00:42:51] <Ownage> don't want to think about setting anything up*[00:43:10] <Norrin> the os i can tolerate the least at this point is windows. the taskbar drives me crazy[00:43:36] <Norrin> yes, can hide it, but still can't find my windows... which i guess is the main problem[00:43:48] <Ownage> Norrin, to each his/her own.. I specifically avoid osx not only because of the horrible hardware in my realm, but the os, and the company which I don't like personally[00:44:23] <Ownage> and of course all the non-tech people who blurt out advertisement fragments to me as facts ;)[00:44:26] <tsoome> companies come and go. sometimes fortunately, sometimes unfortunately. cant change it[00:44:54] <tsoome> sun was nice till it did last - at least mostly, at least from outside.[00:45:14] <Ownage> I think sun is an interesting company, or was anyway[00:45:21] <tsoome> never been too much inside it, so…[00:45:28] <Ownage> it seems to focus on some strange areas but really nails things[00:45:40] <tsoome> oracle came like worst nightmare. but its there.[00:46:35] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[00:46:40] <tsoome> apple, is so - so, sometimes scary, but they did manage to actually create some useful stuff. like it or not, but that stuff is being copied over and over.[00:47:14] <tsoome> microsoft is just all about money:D[00:47:22] <Ownage> oh of course apple has made good stuff[00:47:28] <Ownage> and they have made absolute crap[00:47:45] <Ownage> whereas all of microsoft hardware tends to be crap, hah[00:47:58] <tsoome> who doesnt make crap, you have to create things to succeed[00:48:23] <Ownage> well what I mean is they make entire lines of crap and then just abandon it[00:48:24] <tsoome> anyone remembers javastations;)[00:48:49] <Ownage> like a long term crap spew followed by a wimpering out[00:49:11] <Ownage> but they have great gadgets and many people like their os for sure[00:49:23] <Ownage> oh also I believe they have quality in the laptops as well[00:49:58] <tsoome> well, maybe not *the* best, but pretty nice.[00:50:26] <Ownage> then again I just buy $300 laptops that work great for me =][00:50:45] <tsoome> the heat issue is still bothering me, but thats unfortunate sideeffect you have today[00:50:49] <Ownage> I've noticed most mac users tend to have a laptop they use for everything though, I don't roll that way[00:51:18] <patdk-lap> me it depends[00:51:25] <patdk-lap> I do most everything on my laptop[00:51:33] <tsoome> well. I more around a lot, i just cant afford to have many systems[00:51:34] <patdk-lap> except when I need lots of screen space, then I use my workstation[00:52:09] <tsoome> all that data sync can make your hair grey you know;)[00:52:19] <patdk-lap> what datasync? :)[00:52:34] <patdk-lap> the only datasync I need is the ssh and rdp access menu's[00:52:53] <patdk-lap> I currently don't sync them, but that is an excellent thought[00:53:47] <tsoome> file in one system and you forgot to make it accessible, or someone built some stupid firewall in between and you can get into it;)[00:54:07] <patdk-lap> heh, never had that issue :)[00:54:19] <tsoome> for example they did decide the dropbox is an security risk and blocked it from our company network;)[00:54:25] * patdk-lap hugs his vpn web[00:55:10] <Norrin> gentoofan: what's the eta on a stable build of that sw?[01:02:34] *** lennard has joined #openindiana[01:16:55] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[01:16:55] *** gotwf has quit IRC[01:26:31] <gentoofan> Norrin: I wouldn't know. You can ask in #zfsonlinux.[01:26:46] <Norrin> gentoofan: thanks[01:26:57] <gentoofan> Norrin: Anytime. :)[01:37:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[01:50:55] *** wiseen has joined #openindiana[01:57:28] *** Carmivore has quit IRC[02:05:46] *** Carmivore has joined #openindiana[02:11:57] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:17:14] <gentoofan> I am making a virtual machine to try out OpenIndiana. How much disk space/ram should I give it to make it run comfortably?[02:19:28] <tsoome> wouldnt go below ~20G really[02:19:44] <tsoome> altho the real usage is around 3G[02:21:26] <tsoome> memory is like always, some 2-4 should be fine for starter, you can start with ~1G, but it can get ugly;)[02:21:35] <gentoofan> Is that for the desktop or server version? I am actually planning to try both.[02:21:56] <tsoome> any.[02:22:33] <tsoome> well, my desktop is laptop with 8GB ram and 500GB ssd….[02:22:36] <tsoome> :D[02:24:29] <tsoome> it really depends on what you do with it.[02:24:50] <tsoome> some servers use les resources than another person desktop...[02:24:59] <tsoome> less*[02:30:58] *** smrt has quit IRC[02:31:16] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[02:31:58] <gentoofan> Well, I have the LiveCD booted in KVM. We will see how this goes. :)[02:32:40] <gentoofan> There don't appear to be many reasons for me to continue using Linux as a desktop OS. It appears that I can get the Nvidia driver, KDE, KVM, Gentoo Prefix and CrossOver Games/Professional on a real UNIX operating system. The only thing I might miss would be VMWare Player. It is really awesome at virtualizing Windows XP for things like Netflix.[02:33:00] <gentoofan> Well, that and htop.[02:37:31] <gentoofan> I found a bug in the installer. :/[02:38:27] <gentoofan> Configure the partition type to extended, then select solaris2, check "use entire disk" and click next. The installer will ask you to make the Solaris partition larger. :/[02:38:44] * gentoofan keeps finding bugs in OS installers. -_-[02:46:43] <patdk-lap> heh? that isn't valid[02:52:55] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[02:57:36] *** randw_ has joined #openindiana[02:59:26] *** raichoo_ has joined #openindiana[03:00:01] *** randw has quit IRC[03:01:22] *** Carmivore has quit IRC[03:03:06] *** raichoo has quit IRC[03:05:43] *** ruse39 has joined #openindiana[03:09:45] *** Carmivore has joined #openindiana[03:14:35] <gentoofan> patdk-lap: I told it to use the whole disk. It shouldn't matter what I said to do earlier.[03:18:52] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[03:54:08] *** randw_ has quit IRC[03:56:51] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[04:00:08] *** raichoo_ has quit IRC[04:01:45] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[04:02:37] *** cpny has joined #openindiana[04:05:30] *** raichoo has quit IRC[04:09:58] *** JohnG has joined #openindiana[04:10:52] *** Botanic has quit IRC[04:13:38] <adama> god[04:13:43] <adama> if there's anything solaris doesn't need[04:13:48] <adama> it's users from gentoo[04:16:47] <Orii> why?[04:17:16] <alanc> users from anywhere would seem like a good thing - fewer users leads to more stagnation and less software being made available[04:17:25] <Orii> mhmm[04:17:58] <alanc> and many gentoo users are more sane than the stereotypical gentoo ricer tweaking every single optimizer flag to insane levels[04:18:23] <Orii> god those flags[04:18:39] <Orii> i tried working witj gentoo once[04:18:51] <Orii> with*[04:18:55] <Orii> failed like a boss[04:20:23] *** JohnG has quit IRC[04:20:23] <Orii> adama: you shouldnt be so hostile ;)[04:27:45] *** fiyawerx has quit IRC[04:40:34] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[04:43:59] *** baitisj has joined #openindiana[04:47:46] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[04:48:08] *** Ownage has quit IRC[04:54:22] <cpny> aw i'm a old gentoo user :( sniff[04:56:51] *** PiotrSikora has quit IRC[04:56:56] *** DocHoliday has quit IRC[04:58:33] *** PiotrSikora has joined #openindiana[04:59:12] *** DrLou_ has quit IRC[05:13:52] *** JohnG has joined #openindiana[05:18:37] *** kfritz has quit IRC[05:36:31] *** JohnG has quit IRC[05:42:41] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[05:45:32] *** gotwf has quit IRC[05:48:20] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[05:48:30] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[05:57:01] *** _404_Error_ has quit IRC[05:57:01] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[06:07:57] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[06:08:41] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[06:12:09] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[06:12:53] *** Botanic has quit IRC[06:13:08] *** gotwf has quit IRC[06:31:37] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[06:31:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou[06:36:05] *** licenser has quit IRC[06:41:12] *** crsd has joined #openindiana[07:01:44] *** pjama has quit IRC[07:06:48] <gentoofan> Does anyone know how I can get the source code to the ZFS patched GRUB 0.97 without scraping Oracle's website for it? http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/onnv/onnv-gate/usr/src/grub/grub-0.97/[07:08:02] <myrkraverk> Shameless self publishing: http://my.opera.com/myrkraverk/blog/2012/01/04/passing-parameters-to-yacc-and-flex[07:09:25] *** ripratm has quit IRC[07:13:33] <gentoofan> myrkraverk: Have you tried byacc? It supposed to be the best implementation.[07:13:49] <myrkraverk> gentoofan, I am using byacc - see the link :)[07:14:10] <myrkraverk> "This document is written for Berkeley Yacc and the reflex variant of Flex."[07:14:32] *** ripratm has joined #openindiana[07:14:43] <gentoofan> myrkraverk: My eyes skipped over what. Nevermind then. :)[07:14:48] <myrkraverk> :)[07:15:12] <myrkraverk> Maybe I should make that a bit more obvious.[07:17:45] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[07:19:11] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[07:20:24] <gentoofan> myrkraverk: My eyes tend to skip over blue text on a black background. :/[07:21:29] <myrkraverk> Ah.[07:21:37] <myrkraverk> I'll add a link section to the bottom.[07:21:56] <alanc> gentoofan: you could hg clone it if you want the opensolaris or illumos versions, or download the entire huge "all the GPL in Solaris" tarball if you want the Solaris 11 version[07:23:28] <alanc> either way is a huge amount of data (1-2 gb)[07:23:29] <gentoofan> alanc: I can't find the opensolaris repository. I am not familar with their website.[07:23:42] <gentoofan> I am right now downloading the gigabyte tarballs.[07:24:40] <gentoofan> Oracle hid it on their website. I never would have thought of going to oracle.com to look for open solaris source code: http://oss.oracle.com/systems-opensourcecode/[07:25:06] <alanc> that's the source code from the Oracle Solaris product, not opensolaris[07:25:09] <myrkraverk> Oracle is not known to be open source friendly.[07:25:24] <alanc> opensolaris source code is on opensolaris.org, but grub is part of the dead branch not being updated there[07:25:43] <alanc> you'd want the illumos sources instead, since they actually maintain their open source version[07:26:09] <alanc> openindiana uses the illumos version[07:26:24] <gentoofan> Are they maintaining GRUB 0.97 or GRUB 2.0?[07:26:47] <alanc> 0.97[07:26:53] <gentoofan> Awesome. :)[07:27:43] <alanc> GRUB 2.0 upstream already has the ZFS support Sun contributed, so a separate branch of that wouldn't be needed, but illumos hasn't switched to it[07:28:37] <gentoofan> I really never saw the point of GRUB 2.0. I prefer to stick with GRUB 0.97 for simplicity's sake.[07:28:46] <myrkraverk> IIRC I read something about grup 2 brain damage.[07:29:04] <myrkraverk> *grub[07:29:09] <alanc> as for opensolaris.org, a lot of bits have been removed as the project shuts down, so it's harder to find stuff than it used to be[07:35:33] *** Ownage has joined #openindiana[07:38:24] <richlowe> I don't think anyone's really wedded to specific grub versions.[07:39:20] <herzen> an interesting euphemism. I always found it odd that people speak of organs "shutting down" when someone is dying: they're simply breaking down and ceasing to function. "shutting down" implies to me an orderly process, so that what has been shut down can be started up again.[07:40:56] *** pjama has quit IRC[07:41:12] <richlowe> large parts of it didn't shut down, they just got walled off.[07:41:18] <richlowe> if you're going for medical euphemisms "induced coma"[07:42:09] <alanc> I figured sticking with grub 0.97 vs 2.0 for illumos wasn't as much a technical decision but that no one had enough of a reason to spend the time yet[07:42:14] <richlowe> hm, test suite passes with flying colours, reboot -d for the sake of convenient ::findleaks... hung.[07:42:31] <alanc> add reboot -d to the test suite![07:42:31] <richlowe> nothing ever breaks where I expect.[07:43:56] *** licenser has joined #openindiana[07:44:55] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[07:45:22] *** ruse39 has joined #openindiana[07:53:57] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[07:54:06] *** gotwf has quit IRC[08:06:21] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[08:14:16] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[08:17:06] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[08:19:23] *** pjama has quit IRC[08:21:25] *** Ownage has quit IRC[08:21:50] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[08:22:13] *** _404_Error_ has quit IRC[08:24:19] *** Botanic_ has quit IRC[08:24:29] *** gotwf has quit IRC[08:38:17] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[08:39:38] *** Ownage has joined #openindiana[08:48:05] *** Zenos has joined #openindiana[08:51:21] *** OMV-User has quit IRC[08:55:24] *** OMV-User has joined #openindiana[09:09:10] <matsim> How is OI's position on regular tagging of illumos? - I'd give a +1 on Bayards statement on illumos-dev: Easier to remember also when there are multiple commits in a day[09:17:44] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[09:26:51] <gentoofan> I just tried merging Gentoo's GRUB 0.9.7 with Illumos' GRUB 0.9.7 and I found that half of Gentoo's patches cleanly apply against Illumos' GRUB 0.9.7. Should I file a bug report with someone about this?[09:27:32] <freetown2> ...what are you trying to add?[09:27:51] <freetown2> network pxe support? serial console support? ?!?![09:30:22] <gentoofan> freetown2: I am right now trying out OpenIndiana in parallel with ZFS on Gentoo. I need GRUB to boot off ZFS to do the latter and I felt it would be good idea to merge the two trees while I was doing it.[09:31:14] <gentoofan> The Gentoo patches that do apply include support for booting off virtio-block, which might be useful if OpenIndiana obtains a virtio-block driver.[09:31:15] <freetown2> OI grub supports 1) ZFS and 2) most Linux fs,,,[09:31:50] <freetown2> you should be able to dual boot with OI grub[09:33:07] <gentoofan> If it is of interest to anyone, this is the list of patches from Gentoo that apply against the Illumos GRUB: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/529710/[09:33:48] <matsim> gentoofan: Hey the gcc46 patch could be interesting in future :)[09:34:18] <gentoofan> freetown2: It actually won't dual-boot Gentoo and OI in all situations. Hardened Gentoo required special patches to GRUB that don't apply to OI's GRUB.[09:34:40] <freetown2> hardened gentoo eh?[09:34:41] <gentoofan> Of course that could be more for compiling using Hardened Gentoo's toolchain, but I haven't checked to be certain.[09:34:56] <gentoofan> Yes, it ports stack smashing protection from OpenBSD.[09:35:04] <gentoofan> matsim: I figured that might be of interest to people. ;)[09:36:08] <matsim> gentoofan: and some people at greenviolet might be interested in the cciss patch... (http://www.greenviolet.net/articles/2011/09/21/openindiana-151a-and-hp-smart-array-controllers.gv)[09:37:38] <gentoofan> I take it that I should file a bug report then.[09:37:53] <matsim> yup[09:37:54] <gentoofan> Do I file at OpenIndiana or Illumos?[09:38:30] <matsim> I'd says illumos-gate since it's in there[09:40:15] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[09:41:42] <gentoofan> matsim: Should I file under Bug, Feature or Support?[09:41:55] *** arrowdodger has joined #openindiana[09:42:30] *** bens1 has quit IRC[09:42:53] * gentoofan really doesn't know, because it could probably be at least 2 of those.[09:46:19] <arrowdodger> I've installed OI on my HDD, but the installer didn't touched loader. So, after reboot i get into Windows again. How to boot OI from GRUB command line?[09:46:33] <matsim> gentoofan: try bug for the cciss, maybe contact the author of the greenviolet blog[09:49:23] <johest_> hi there, my ssh problem is partwise solved, the main problem just was that my opensuse desktop timeouts while connecting to the openindiana server, maybe someone has a hint?[09:50:45] <gentoofan> matsim: I will leave contacting that person to you because I really don't know much about those controllers. I am almost finished with the bug report.[09:51:32] <matsim> gentoofan: I don't have any cciss controller...[09:53:46] <lblume> arrowdodger: Activate the Solaris partition[09:54:16] <arrowdodger> How do i get list of devices/partitions first?[09:56:14] <gentoofan> matsim: https://www.illumos.org/issues/1945[09:56:52] *** Whoopsie has joined #openindiana[09:57:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Whoopsie[09:58:05] <matsim> gentoofan: I'm not a dev though, I tweeted @lewellyn asking if his problem was related to GRUB itself or a driver problem[09:58:33] <matsim> albeit richlowe was doing gcc44 work, the gcc46 patch might be worth in future[10:01:34] <lblume> arrowdodger: booting of the Live CD and running format -> fdisk[10:01:54] <gentoofan> Why is my email address in the issue tracker available to unregistered people?[10:02:20] <gentoofan> Actually, it appears to be protected against spam bots. Nevermind.[10:08:33] *** Neddie has joined #openindiana[10:10:30] *** yakov has joined #openindiana[10:20:43] <gentoofan> How do I start sshd on OpenIndiana?[10:21:17] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[10:21:53] <Okona> svcadm enable ssh[10:22:32] <Worsoe> Yesterday I installed oi on my server instead of freebsd, but the problem is that the cpu fan has become very noisy.[10:24:03] <gentoofan> Okona: Thanks. :)[10:25:03] <gentoofan> Ack... sudo in OpenIndiana works like it does on Ubuntu by default. I must reconfigure this. :([10:26:47] *** muv has joined #openindiana[10:26:52] <gentoofan> If `uname -p` outputs i386, doe sthat mean that I installed a 32-bit version of OpenIndiana?[10:26:53] *** muv has left #openindiana[10:27:31] <JT-EC> gentoofan: No, use `isainfo -b` to find out how the kernel is operating.[10:27:50] <gentoofan> Thanks.[10:28:01] <JT-EC> Solaris installs dual 32/64bit binaries and selects bitness at runtime for some things.[10:28:03] <gentoofan> I feel somewhat silly, but I didn't expect it to be like Solaris 10 on SPARC.[10:28:16] *** yakov has quit IRC[10:31:16] <gentoofan> Is OpenIndiana binary compatible with Solaris?[10:32:02] <JT-EC> Yes, should be. I believe this is something illumos is sticking to in future too.[10:34:42] <gentoofan> Will OpenIndiana continue Solaris' tradition of shipping 32-bit tools in userland?[10:35:12] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:35:46] <gentoofan> I am right now running through the following guide. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/bootstrap-solaris.xml[10:36:02] <gentoofan> Something really neat about it is that it can provide 64-bit tools.[10:37:32] <JT-EC> Most tools provide both 32 and 64 bit versions. Some servers need a flag set in the service manifest to change the default bit size e.g. apache/mysql/postgres.[10:37:39] <lblume> There is an actual policy of binary compatibility? AT which level? libs and dependencies all over the place are diverging.[10:38:36] <gentoofan> Ah, okay.[10:39:11] <gentoofan> lblume: I assume that binary compatibility implies the kernel and libc.[10:39:44] <lblume> There are bits of libc that were not open, the i18n part, mostly, IIRC.[10:39:58] <gentoofan> i.e. I can do a tarball of a Gentoo Prefix installation on OpenIndiana, unpack it on Solaris and have it work.[10:40:04] <gentoofan> or so I hope.[10:40:21] <lblume> Like you can take an RPM made for Fedora, and make it run on SLES?[10:40:46] <JT-EC> No, packaging is not binary compat.[10:41:23] <gentoofan> lblume: That is what I expected.[10:42:21] <JT-EC> If you compile something on a previous solaris then it should work on OI/illumos if the deps are satisfied. AFAIK the reverse is not true though - OI to Solaris is risky.[10:42:49] <lblume> You are kidding? Even S11 does not provide that kind of compatibility with S10.[10:43:10] <lblume> The only guaranteed compatibility is by using S10 branded zones.[10:45:17] <JT-EC> lblume: https://www.illumos.org/projects/1/wiki/FAQ "Is illumos compatible with Solaris/OpenSolaris?"[10:45:49] <gentoofan> Well, all of the Solaris systems to which I have access right now are SPARC and the only systems on which I can run OpenIndiana at the moment are x86, so it is more of an academic question right now.[10:45:58] *** hexreel has joined #openindiana[10:46:28] <lblume> JT-EC: Wishful thinking. Or for a defintion of "compatible" that is not what you are describing.[10:47:53] <gentoofan> It should at least be source compatible, right?[10:48:06] <gentoofan> i.e. I can compile the same thing on each.[10:53:09] <JT-EC> gentoofan: As long as you don't use things from the newer OS that were never in the old, sure.[10:53:31] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[10:53:54] *** Tenzer has joined #openindiana[10:55:42] <gentoofan> How do I configure OpenIndiana to use more than a single core?[10:57:02] <lblume> What do you mean? It uses all the cores reported by the hardware.[10:57:46] <gentoofan> At boot, I saw a message about doing something to enable the other cores. :/[10:59:10] <gentoofan> psrinfo -v only reports 1 processor.[11:01:15] <lblume> Hmmm, I vaguely remember something like that, but it was when running in VBox, and a while ago. I've not seen such issues recently.[11:01:44] <gentoofan> I am running in KVM.[11:02:12] <Okona> so you kvm only assigns one cpu to its guest, i'd presume[11:02:55] <gentoofan> I assigned 1 CPU with 6 cores to the guest.[11:03:07] <gentoofan> When I ran the installer, it told me that it saw 6, but would only use 1 until I did something. :/[11:03:40] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[11:04:13] <gentoofan> tsoome: I don't suppose you know how to make Open Indiana use more than one core, would you?[11:06:12] <tsoome> um?[11:06:32] <gentoofan> When I ran the installer, it told me that it saw 6, but would only use 1 until I did something.[11:06:54] <tsoome> solaris is getting hardware config from acpi[11:07:17] <tsoome> what does psrinfo -vp tell you?[11:07:40] <gentoofan> The physical processor has 1 virtual processor (0)[11:08:22] <tsoome> this is physical system or virtual?[11:08:32] <gentoofan> Virtual in KVM.[11:08:54] <tsoome> guess its about KVM setup then - or bug.[11:09:42] <gentoofan> It told me that it saw 6, but I had to add some command to it before it would work when it was booting. I didn't write it down before it disappeared. :/[11:09:45] <tsoome> in some cases on x86 setting acpi user options may help[11:10:00] <gentoofan> That might be it.[11:10:03] <tsoome> http://blogs.oracle.com/danasblog/entry/configuring_solaris_acpi_at_boot[11:12:01] <tsoome> with bare metal the first answer would be "check for bios upgrade" ;)[11:12:32] <gentoofan> The BIOS is the latest version. :/[11:12:41] <gentoofan> SeaBIOS 1.6.3 if I recall correctly.[11:12:57] <tsoome> not sure how much that would affect KVM anyhow.[11:13:02] <tsoome> or if at all[11:14:36] <gentoofan> The notice is saying something about boot-ncpus, see eeprom[11:14:45] <gentoofan> And there is a warning about failing to update microcode.[11:15:37] <tsoome> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/819-2240/eeprom-1m/index.html[11:15:49] <tsoome> you can use eeprom command to set it[11:15:55] <gentoofan> tsoome: Thanks.[11:19:18] <gentoofan> One last thing... I hope. How do I install GCC?[11:21:10] <madwizard> gentoofan: pkg install[11:21:21] <gentoofan> madwizard: I tried pkg install gcc, but it didn't work.[11:21:25] <Agnar> gentoofan: pkg search gcc; pkg install <result of search>[11:21:31] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:21:32] <gentoofan> Ah, thanks. :)[11:21:34] <madwizard> gentoofan: Package name[11:21:37] <madwizard> Ah[11:21:46] <madwizard> You've gotr answer[11:22:06] <madwizard> I think it can be tuned as pkg search -p gcc, where -p will print only package names[11:22:11] <madwizard> I think, again[11:22:16] <madwizard> Can't check now[11:23:16] <gentoofan> Is SunOS 5.11 the equivalent of Solaris 11?[11:23:21] <Agnar> I could, but I think gentoofan will be smart enough to find his way :)[11:23:26] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[11:23:27] <Agnar> gentoofan: kind of.[11:23:49] <Agnar> gentoofan: SunOS 5.11 is part of Solaris 11, but also part of OpenIndiana and others[11:24:55] <gentoofan> Agnar: I was given an iMac workstation, yet had less than 4 hours of prior exposure to Mac OS X. I managed to learn how to use the machine in a few days. I learn new operating systems quickly, especially UNIX ones. Once I can compile stuff, I am okay.[11:25:06] <Agnar> gentoofan: think of "SunOS 5.11" being something like "Linux 2.6.foo" and Solaris 11 being something like "RedHat 5.3" (which is not correct, since SunOS is more than just a Kernel, but not a complete distribution)[11:25:22] <madwizard> gentoofan: Depends on a branch, if it is Solaris 11 or illumos based, but most things will be the same now[11:26:36] <Agnar> on the one side it's good for compat. having SunOS 5.11 in uname, on the other side it leads to confusion :)[11:26:54] <tsoome> the official story is like SunOS is operating environment (kernel + userland), Solaris is SunOS + user environment (java/gnome desktop).[11:27:16] <gentoofan> Hmm... I am still getting only 1 core, despite having set boot-ncpus. I haven't even used the OS for 24 hours and I have already found two bugs. :/[11:27:41] <tsoome> its most likely kvm related issue anyhow[11:27:41] <gentoofan> For some reason, I tend to find bugs in operating systems when I use them.[11:28:05] <gentoofan> tsoome: I hope not. I already have a list of things in KVM that I want to patch. :/[11:28:15] <gentoofan> I don't want to add yet another thing to the list.[11:28:19] <tsoome> tsoome@kass:~$ psrinfo -p[11:28:20] <tsoome> 2[11:28:34] <gentoofan> psrinfo -p prints 1[11:28:54] <Agnar> <- no clue about kvm, happy with zones :)[11:29:09] <Agnar> (or ldoms...since I'm on sun4v)[11:29:27] <tsoome> tsoome@sparc1:~$ psrinfo -vp[11:29:28] <tsoome> The physical processor has 32 virtual processors (0-31)[11:29:39] <gentoofan> tsoome: I configured KVM to present the cores as 1 physical CPU with 6 cores to Open Solaris. Was that wrong/[11:29:53] <tsoome> no idea, i have never used KVM[11:32:13] <gentoofan> Hmm... do I need to install both pkg:/developer/gcc-3 at 3 dot 4.3-0.151.1 pkg:/system/library/gcc-3-runtime at 3 dot 4.3-0.151.1 or will installing pkg:/developer/gcc-3 at 3 dot 4.3-0.151.1 automatically install pkg:/system/library/gcc-3-runtime at 3 dot 4.3-0.151.1 due to dependencies?[11:33:16] <tomww> you can check deps yourself: pkg contents -r -m pkg:/developer/gcc-3 and watch for the gcc-3-runtime string[11:33:56] <tsoome> pkg will install dependencies[11:34:01] <gentoofan> depend fmri=system/library/gcc-3-runtime at 3 dot 4.3-0.151.1 type=require[11:34:28] <gentoofan> Thanks. I heard from someone that the Solaris package manager didn't do dependencies, so I wasn't sure.[11:34:36] *** MerlinDMC has joined #openindiana[11:35:06] <tsoome> old one in s10 and earlier did not do.[11:35:29] <gentoofan> That explains it. Our department is still using Solaris 10.[11:36:35] <gentoofan> They are evaluating Solaris 11 at the moment. Maybe I should ask the system administrator to also check out OpenIndiana.[11:36:36] <lblume> Not quite true. SysV packaging does have dependencies. What Solaris 10 doesn't have is an automatic way to handle them.[11:36:42] <tsoome> seems like kvm guest support isnt exactly updated…..[11:37:06] <tsoome> lblume: yes, thats correct wording:)[11:37:20] <gentoofan> lblume: Well, that is what I was told when I asked why pico was broken due to a dynamic link not being satisfied.[11:38:13] <lblume> gentoofan: I think that can be translated to "I'm a lazy sysadmin who doesn't really give a shit about your issue"[11:38:16] <tsoome> pkgadd/pkgrm will warn about dependencies, if admin is ignoring those…..[11:38:23] <gentoofan> I probably should have worded that differently. I have been up all night andit is almost morning, so I am rather tired.[11:39:38] <tsoome> also thats and reason why larger software packages come with some sort of install program/script which will manage the package order for admin.[11:42:35] <gentoofan> After GCC is installed and possibly a few other things needed to build software are installed, I am going to install the following. It is like pkgsrc, except its lead developer uses Solaris. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/gentoo-alt/prefix/bootstrap-solaris.xml[11:43:23] <darth_raijin> gentoofan: oh boy[11:43:30] <tsoome> sigh:P[11:43:44] <darth_raijin> gentoofan: prepare for hell[11:43:52] <gentoofan> darth_raijin: Why is that?[11:44:24] <darth_raijin> gentoofan: solaris environments are more demanding for building stuffs than linux[11:44:30] <darth_raijin> like[11:44:30] <gentoofan> I use it on the Solaris and Mac OS X machines in my department.[11:44:36] <darth_raijin> oh[11:44:37] <darth_raijin> well[11:44:40] <darth_raijin> carry on[11:44:46] <darth_raijin> i made an assumtion[11:44:54] * darth_raijin shuts his face[11:44:58] <darth_raijin> assumption*[11:45:00] <tsoome> i would ask, how many instances of gnu tar and friends you need in your system?;)[11:45:05] <gentoofan> My home directory is a NFS mount shared between Mac OS X and Solaris, so I wanted something that would give me a consistent environment on each.[11:45:31] <gentoofan> tsoome: I am not sure how to count that. :P[11:45:41] <tsoome> if you wanna use gentoo, just use it:P[11:45:46] <darth_raijin> whynot use pkg(5)[11:46:42] <gentoofan> tsoome: Well, my department uses Solaris and Mac OS X, but I don't have root privileges on them, so I install stuff in my home directory. I would like to have the same stuff on OpenIndiana, specifically because I sent improvements to Gentoo and it would be nice to test them on both SPARC and x86 before I send them.[11:46:43] <tsoome> gentoofan: ls /usr/gnu/bin :P[11:47:02] <gentoofan> tsoome: I already knew about that directory from Solaris 10. :P[11:47:06] <tsoome> i see, well that explains ofc.[11:47:22] <tsoome> in solaris 10 there is no /usr/gnu[11:47:51] <tsoome> there is /usr/sfw tho;)[11:47:55] <darth_raijin> is there a SPARC build for OI functional yet?[11:47:57] <gentoofan> There is a gnu directory somewhere in the filesystem. Let me double check to be certain, but I think it is there. The system administrator installed a ton of stuff, so I assume it is something he installed.[11:48:19] <gentoofan> Actually, this is easy. I am running irssi in screen on Solaris 10 right now. :D[11:49:43] <tsoome> but thats not even the point. what I personally hate about all those "build systems" is they absolutely ignore base os and they build their own set of userspace libs, despite whatever is installed or available in base os.[11:50:46] <gentoofan> tsoome: If they did what you wanted them to do, how would they patch bugs in the base OS libraries?[11:51:04] <tsoome> do they maintain the base os?[11:51:13] <tsoome> no.[11:51:34] <gentoofan> Gentoo in particular basically had to fork python.[11:51:57] <gentoofan> They have a few dozen different patches that they had to do in order to fix bugs in python and upstream is absurdly slow at taking them back.[11:52:26] <gentoofan> Gentoo's package manager is written in python, so unless python is patched, it won't work properly.[11:53:34] <gentoofan> That isn't the only reason, but things like that are why they do it. Another reason is that supporting so many platforms is hard and they need some uniformity between them.[11:54:01] <tsoome> I dont wanna see 10 instances of perl,java, python, gtar or whatever in my system. i just dont need that crap.[11:54:18] <tsoome> :D[11:54:30] <gentoofan> tsoome: You could try it out and if you like it, run a minimal base system with Gentoo Prefix providing everything you use.[11:54:41] <tsoome> no, i wont even try it out.[11:54:46] <gentoofan> Okay.[11:55:22] <tsoome> if i need an fix for some tool, ill file the bugreport to OS maintainer.[11:55:41] <gentoofan> If you need the fix immediately, how do you go about doing it?[11:55:59] <tsoome> then ill create an workaround for time being.[11:56:13] <tsoome> but i'll get the "official" fix anyhow.[11:56:23] <gentoofan> Do you patch the source?[11:57:15] <tsoome> for example oracle did screw up proftp daemon in s11. i did report it and i was using my own binary for an while, then I got IDR binar y to test the oracle's fix.[11:57:38] <tsoome> it depends which workaround can be applied.[11:58:24] <gentoofan> Usually, I try to patch the source to fix the problem. In order to do that without Gentoo's package manager, I need to browse the internet, find the project, figure out where its source is kept, make a decision about whether to patch the existing version or to try upgrading the package on the system in the process of patching it, write a patch, compile the package, create a package, install it, test it to see if it works and then ...[11:58:30] <gentoofan> ... report back to upstream.[11:58:35] <tsoome> but what i wont do is i wont build another OS inside my OS just because it will take some time to get some bug fixed. its management nightmare for an admin.[11:59:17] <gentoofan> With Gentoo's package manager, I just run a 1-line command and have the source code. I can then patch it. Next I can run another command to compile it and install it into the filesystem. Then testing and reporting to upstream is quite simple.[12:00:25] <gentoofan> If the patch is in a bug tracker, I just wget, unpack, patch, merge (does compilation, binary package generation, installation) and then file a bug report with Gentoo requesting that the ebuild be patched.[12:00:51] <Agnar> darth_raijin: no, there is no complete sparc built[12:00:53] <gentoofan> That way people won't have to go through the trouble of finding the patch in the first place.[12:01:57] <gentoofan> tsoome: It isn't actually an OS. It is sort of like a solaris container.[12:02:31] <gentoofan> Actually, just think of it as like a jail. That is the simplest analogy. I don't know enough about zones yet to use them in an analogy.[12:03:38] <tsoome> na, those are badly integrated, and half ported bits of random software. nothing less, nothing more.[12:04:36] <gentoofan> As a programmer, I sort of appreciate the way that it streamlines my ability to start hacking on a random program because I didn't like how it did something, but to each his own.[12:05:04] <tsoome> fair enough:)[12:07:37] <gentoofan> By the way, it seems like installing that single package was the only thing needed to permit Gentoo Prefix to be installed. I sort of just wrapped the instructions into a single long command and then executed it.[12:12:53] *** Neddie has quit IRC[12:14:30] <gentoofan> Where did /usr/include/math.h go?[12:14:58] <tomww> pkg search usr/include/math.h[12:15:52] <gentoofan> I had no idea that searched the files inside the package. Awesome. :D[12:16:39] <tomww> that search is based on the filename, should print all package names where is appears in (files normally only once per package@version[12:16:45] <gentoofan> That is something that Gentoo's package manager doesn't have. To get that functionality, you need to get a little known program that queries an online database.[12:17:00] <gentoofan> And pkg search usr/include/math.h didn't return anything. :([12:17:40] <JT-EC> Didn't for me either, pkg search math.h did though. system/library/math/header-math[12:18:48] <Onno> try pkg search /usr/include/math.h instead[12:19:23] <JT-EC> Ah, that worked. Ta.[12:19:58] <tomww> and I though i would be clever leaving out the "/" ..[12:20:03] <tomww> :)[12:20:04] <gentoofan> Is /usr/include/math.h an optional thing on Solaris?[12:20:39] <gentoofan> A little piece of me is screaming about this breaking UNIX compatibility on so many levels.[12:20:43] <tomww> since not longer full installs are done at initial install, a lot of stuff needed for development is to be installed manually[12:21:03] <Okona> which i think should be quite ok[12:21:09] <JT-EC> Compiling stuff is optional on any normal OS ;P[12:21:17] <tomww> my bootstrap script for SFE installes a bunch of packages for that reason[12:21:29] <Okona> i'd like to have the most bare minimum of packages for my server[12:21:30] <gentoofan> I don't think that the SUS permits system headers to be excluded.[12:23:52] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:30:21] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:35:52] *** kshannon has quit IRC[12:37:06] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[12:37:13] *** kshannon has joined #openindiana[12:40:32] <arrowdodger> Hey guiz, how do i boot OI installed on HDD using grub command line? It keeps saying that it can't mount partition. I suppose, it's due to zfs.[12:41:18] <gentoofan> arrowdodger: Are you using the OI GRUB or a Linux GRUB?[12:41:23] <arrowdodger> OI one.[12:41:57] <gentoofan> Unfortunately, I can't answer your question in that case. I started using OpenIndiana about 4 hours ago.[12:44:08] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[12:45:46] <arrowdodger> gentoofan: Do you have it installed?[12:47:19] *** heldus has quit IRC[12:48:22] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[12:49:42] <tomww> arrowdodger: you did the install to the disk with the normal installer or did you use a different method to get the bits to the disk?[12:50:48] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[12:50:56] <arrowdodger> tomww: With the normal installer. But there are 3 disk on my system and first is containing WinXP. So i formatted second drive and installed OI there. It seems, installers didn't touched MBR, so now i'm booting into WinXP.[12:51:21] <arrowdodger> So i booted from OI Live USB again and try to point grub to the second drive.[12:52:32] <arrowdodger> Can anyone show me it's /boot/grub/menu.lst?[12:52:56] <gentoofan> arrowdodger: Yes.[12:53:12] <gentoofan> That is in reference to having it installed.[12:55:11] <gentoofan> arrowdodger: If it helps, this is what I have on my OpenIndiana install: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/529769/[12:55:44] <JT-EC> arrowdodger: Did you install grub to the correct disk during install? You may find if you can change which HDD boots first in the BIOS that the grub is installed correctly but not on the correct disk.[12:57:55] <gentoofan> If that is the problem, then it might be possible to mirror /boot on both disks. If you can, then just install grub on both of them. I don't know enough about OpenIndiana to say how that would be done, but it is an idea.[13:01:43] <JT-EC> gentoofan: May not need to if the installer correctly picked up windows and put the chainloader options in. Just leave the BIOS booting the grub HDD.[13:02:36] <arrowdodger> I'm OK with BIOS booting windows. I'm asking how do i boot something from GRUB command line.[13:02:54] <arrowdodger> It seems, i can't boot anything except Live USB itself. Even Win.[13:03:30] <gentoofan> arrowdodger: See 2.3: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap10[13:04:16] <gentoofan> I use virtualization instead of dual-booting, so I can't really say anything more on that.[13:04:20] <Okona> arrowdodger: on OI it's /rpool/boot/grub/menu.lst[13:04:53] <arrowdodger> Okona: When i do root (hdx,y,z) it says, that filesystem is unknown.[13:05:10] <arrowdodger> For everything except Live USB device, which is ufs.[13:05:47] <gentoofan> Have you tried (hd0,0)?[13:06:02] <arrowdodger> (hd0,0) is my USB stick.[13:06:08] <gentoofan> (hd1,0)[13:06:14] <Okona> hmm, i'm not too fluent with grub, but in my oi grub, it says findroot(pool_rpool,y,z)[13:06:20] <arrowdodger> It's uknown FS, partition 0x7.[13:06:41] <gentoofan> For Windows, do (hdx,y)[13:06:49] <arrowdodger> I've tried findroot too, it says file not found.[13:06:55] *** laogrymt has joined #openindiana[13:07:18] <Okona> i do not have a hd directive...[13:07:19] <gentoofan> findroot(pool_rpool,y,z) is only for ZFS.[13:07:24] *** feizhou_ has joined #openindiana[13:07:37] <arrowdodger> Isn't OI install itself on ZFS?[13:08:07] <gentoofan> Yes, but Windows is on NTFS.[13:08:12] <Okona> yes ist is[13:08:24] <gentoofan> Wait... does GRUB support booting off NTFS?[13:08:35] <arrowdodger> In any case it can't boot anything.[13:09:32] <Okona> gentoo, i think in this case it can at least load the boot sector of the ntfs partition[13:09:35] <tsoome> you need chainloader for ntfs (so it will use ntfs bootloader)[13:09:38] <akelling> smplayer is broken and so is mplayer2[13:09:40] <gentoofan> arrowdodger: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#DOS_002fWindows[13:10:07] <akelling> ld.so.1: mplayer: fatal: libdca.so.0: open failed: No such file or directory[13:10:09] <gentoofan> Okona: You're right.[13:10:55] *** feizhou__ has quit IRC[13:10:56] <Okona> but I don't fiddle with the hassle of dual boots any more[13:11:16] <JT-EC> akelling: From the SFE repo?[13:11:17] <Okona> .oO(I also don't fiddle with Windows any more)[13:11:31] <akelling> JT-EC: yes[13:11:51] <akelling> its a fresh vm too[13:13:45] <arrowdodger> I've typed "root (hd1,0)", "chainloader +1", "boot" and it hanged. I've done something wrong?[13:16:33] <arrowdodger> Okay, i've tired of this.[13:17:06] <JT-EC> akelling: I can't find mplayer in the repo, did you install it with pkg install or from the source repo using pkgbuild?[13:17:31] <arrowdodger> Changed the order of HDD's in BIOS and it booted.[13:17:46] <akelling> pkgbuild[13:18:00] <akelling> JT-EC: found the same issue too but mplayer2 is in there[13:18:09] <tomww> JT-EC: sfe-encumbered repo has mplayer2 only[13:18:50] <JT-EC> tomww: Ah, didn't check encumbered.[13:19:05] <akelling> also I think smplayers depend is missing mplayer2[13:19:27] <akelling> i had to pull that by hand also[13:19:55] <tomww> if you think an automatic depenency should be added, please drop herzen a note[13:20:41] <akelling> o that not add in its build script?[13:22:01] <tomww> which one should be be in smplayr? "mplayer" or "mplayer2" ... SFE has both..[13:22:52] <akelling> i only seen mplayer2 in sfe[13:25:42] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[13:26:04] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[13:28:18] <Agnar> JT-EC: btw...I still get errors building sfw-gate *sigh* I have these: http://pastie.org/3124445 in my mail_msg. any ideas? I'll try to look for them in the nightly.log...[13:31:45] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[13:33:08] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[13:33:29] <tomww> akelling: that repo is only a subset and representing all spec-files-extra packages we could build[13:33:37] <tomww> s/and/and not/[13:35:14] *** piwi_ has joined #openindiana[13:36:26] *** muv has joined #openindiana[13:36:34] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[13:36:44] *** muv has left #openindiana[13:37:10] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[13:39:21] <piwi_> simple question: changing the /etc/ssh/sshd_config , svcadm refresh ssh, svcadm restart ssh should be sufficient to use the new config, or not?[13:40:27] <tomww> fresh ssh connections should then get the new config, yes[13:40:54] <tomww> as you might not have changes anything in SMF, the refresh to SMF should be a no-op[13:41:24] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[13:41:32] <piwi_> as i thought, but he wont accept my changes, so i tried refresh as well[13:41:33] <tomww> what is missing? you could debug the sshd side by running another instance of sshd on a different port manually and withtout fork into the background[13:42:12] <piwi_> "PasswordAuthentication no" doesnt work[13:42:22] <piwi_> i can still login using a password[13:42:32] <Wraithh> piwi_, you need more options[13:42:59] <Wraithh> KbdInteractiveAuthentication no at least[13:43:27] <Wraithh> ssh -v gives your more info about the auth methods[13:43:40] <lblume> piwi_: You just do an svcadm restart ssh[13:44:01] <piwi_> thanks, ill give it a try[13:44:23] <Wraithh> perhaps GSSAPIAuthentication no too if you're not using that[13:44:51] <lblume> If you really want to avoid password auth, better to remove the password completely. ssh interaction with Solaris PAM is uneven.[13:45:32] <piwi_> i want to be able to use the password locally[13:45:45] <lblume> Ah, ok then.[13:46:48] <piwi_> on an "old" opensolaris system, the sshd_config had the following option: PAMAuthenticationViaKBDInt no[13:47:12] <piwi_> this line is missing on my openindiana config file. can i add this option?[13:51:20] <piwi_> ok, that did the trick. sorry for the noise and thanks for all your suggestions[13:53:18] *** randw has joined #openindiana[13:54:00] *** Mech0z_ has joined #openindiana[13:55:20] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[13:56:05] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[14:07:11] *** Mech0z_ has quit IRC[14:15:57] *** MerlinDMC has quit IRC[14:16:44] *** piwi_ has quit IRC[14:18:58] *** piwi_ has joined #openindiana[14:21:45] *** hajma_ has joined #openindiana[14:24:48] *** enmand has quit IRC[14:32:08] *** randw has quit IRC[14:32:56] *** randw has joined #openindiana[14:36:14] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[14:42:02] *** laogrymt has quit IRC[14:42:40] *** enmand has quit IRC[14:45:37] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[14:46:00] *** laogrymt has joined #openindiana[14:51:46] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[15:01:54] *** wiseen has quit IRC[15:14:41] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #openindiana[15:15:12] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[15:22:05] *** heldus has quit IRC[15:23:33] *** Damjanek has joined #openindiana[15:24:24] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[15:27:48] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[15:34:17] *** syoyo has joined #openindiana[15:39:55] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #openindiana[15:44:04] <Damjanek> Hi. Does anyone has an idea, why on oi_145, oi_148 and oi_151 while using net-snmp, snmpwalk on OID .1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.6 returns empty string?[15:44:51] <Damjanek> I know that it works on os_118, but there's SMA, not net-snmp.[15:47:57] <Damjanek> (According to RFC, there should be a physical macaddress for all of plumbed interfaces)[15:48:02] <tomww> is there a differene snmpd version and solaris specific libraries installed? e.g. a plain/unpatched public version?[15:49:50] <Damjanek> It's unpatched, public version.[15:50:19] <tsoome> just use the software bundled with os.[15:50:20] <tsoome> :P[15:50:44] <Damjanek> net-snmp is bundled with os.[15:50:50] <Agnar> Damjanek: could be an issue with crossbow. maybe your version of net-snmp is not aware of crossbow.[15:51:43] <tsoome> well, what you mean with "It's unpatched, public version." then[15:52:06] <Damjanek> Can anyone check, if on your system you can snmpwalk this OID and get macaddresses?[15:52:40] <Damjanek> Ok. I misread tomww question.[15:53:42] *** syoy_____ has joined #openindiana[15:53:51] *** syoyo has quit IRC[15:53:52] <tsoome> s11 returns empty strings as well.[15:54:03] <tsoome> so its broken port.[15:54:07] *** syoyo_ has joined #openindiana[15:54:17] <Agnar> Damjanek: empty, here too. please open a bug-report :)[15:54:25] <Damjanek> On S11 what is the version of net-snmp?[15:54:52] <tomww> your directory /etc/net-snmp/snmp/mibs is filled with approx 65 (or more) files?[15:55:13] <Damjanek> Agnar: Sure will. But first, I'm going to check, whether upgrading net-snmp will help.[15:55:37] <tsoome> 5.4.1[15:55:45] <tomww> hm. that reads odd. you are using the os provided net-snmp?[15:55:47] <Damjanek> [damjanek@ai1] (~) $ ls /etc/net-snmp/snmp/mibs | wc -l[15:55:47] <Damjanek> 66[15:55:48] <lblume> Interesting, it returns MAC addresses in S10.[15:55:58] <Damjanek> lblume: S10 uses SMA.[15:56:11] <lblume> Which is a broken net-snmp.[15:56:27] <tsoome> tsoome@hydra:~$ /usr/sfw/sbin/snmpd -v[15:56:28] <tsoome> NET-SNMP version: 5.0.9[15:56:31] <tsoome> thats in s10[15:56:35] <Damjanek> Current net-snmp (from net-snmp.org) is 5.7.1[15:56:58] <Damjanek> oi_151 has 5.4.1[15:57:05] <Damjanek> There might be few things fixed[15:57:22] <tsoome> check its changelog if *solaris support has got any fixes:P[15:57:56] <tsoome> version up does not mean the solaris specific bits are fixed.[15:58:21] *** syoy_____ has quit IRC[15:58:25] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[15:58:31] <Damjanek> That's why I'm looking at changelog :)[15:59:24] <Damjanek> - [PATCH 1719730]: support for ipSystemStatsTable and ipAddressTable on 5.5 branch.[15:59:28] <Damjanek> ifPhysAddress not mentioned[16:00:04] <lblume> There are some quirks for the Solaris version. 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What does radz2-0 mean in zpool status?[20:37:50] <floogy> *raidz2-0[20:38:07] <floogy> particulary 2-0[20:44:22] <Triskelios> the -0 is to provide a unique name for that raidz2 vdev[20:44:57] <floogy> Does this mean, it's a raidz2 with two disks for parity?[20:46:06] <floogy> Or is it simply the second pool (after the rpool that takes the system).[20:46:15] <Triskelios> it's a raidz2[20:46:27] <floogy> hm[20:47:15] <floogy> Thank you, Triskelios[20:48:31] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[20:49:45] <Tenzer> floogy: RAIDZ can basically be compared to RAID-5, and RAIDZ2 can be compared to RAID-6[20:52:29] <floogy> Thanks, I'll try to catch up with the necessary readings..[20:54:51] <floogy> Will that have a big impact on the needed additional space for a second parity?[20:55:00] *** APTX_ has joined #openindiana[20:55:06] <Aethrs> You'll lose another drive to parity.[20:55:12] *** APTX_ has joined #openindiana[20:55:20] *** APTX has quit IRC[20:55:50] <floogy> The complete drive? I thought only the parity bits on a second drive?[20:56:18] <Aethrs> If you have 10 drives, raidz will give you 9 drives of space. raidz2 will give you 8.[20:56:29] <Aethrs> So 9:1 split vs 8:2 split.[20:56:41] <Aethrs> The ratio is quite a bit less friendly with say.. 4 drives. ;) 3:1 vs 2:2[20:57:30] <floogy> Ok, so I have to destroy my pool and create a raidz (5) one, because I only got 4 disks ;)[20:57:49] <Aethrs> So you'll have 75% usable space, more or less.[20:58:29] <floogy> I create it from 4 2TB disks[20:58:58] <Aethrs> I went with striped mirrors for performance.[20:59:18] <floogy> Tank 7,25T 327K 7,25T 0% 1.00x ONLINE -[20:59:33] <Tenzer> If you are going to run RAIDZ2 on 4 drives, you might as well run RAID1+0, it will likely give much better performance, with the same amount of data room available[20:59:41] <floogy> Aethrs, that's similar to raid level 10?[21:00:30] <Tenzer> floogy: Right, RAID10/RAID1+0/Striped mirrors are basically the same[21:00:50] <floogy> ok[21:02:11] <floogy> I'm just curious, why it shows 7.25T on this 4x2T disks raidz2[21:04:25] <Tenzer> Can you pastebin the output from "zpool status" please?[21:05:34] <scarcry> floogy: it's perfectly normal w/ the double parity of your raidz2 setup[21:05:59] <Triskelios> floogy: it lists the available physical blocks[21:10:58] <Tenzer> Oh, of course, you probably want to check the listed free space from "zfs list"[21:13:03] <floogy> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/530009/[21:15:18] *** bens1 has quit IRC[21:15:50] <floogy> scarcry, the raidz2 doesn't needs the whole blocks of the two used disks with parity information for parity? Will it also use some blocks for data?[21:16:08] <floogy> user data[21:21:09] <Tenzer> floogy: Try to write some data on the pool, it will probably be easier to see then. "zpool list" shows the raw storage capacity within the pool, not considering parity, "zfs list" does however when it lists the free space, so you should use that instead[21:21:44] <Tenzer> I newer really had a use for RAIDZ* on my OI boxes, I prefer RAID1 or RAID0+1 :)[21:27:11] *** gotwf has quit IRC[21:36:06] <Patrickdk> hmm, I need par2 for oi :([21:36:12] <Patrickdk> wonder how hard that would be to build[21:41:38] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[21:42:57] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[21:42:57] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[21:49:57] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[22:05:44] *** raichoo has quit IRC[22:12:20] *** APTX has joined #openindiana[22:12:52] *** APTX_ has quit IRC[22:21:05] *** sdi has quit IRC[22:21:54] *** APTX has quit IRC[22:22:06] *** APTX has joined #openindiana[22:25:31] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[22:26:59] *** sdi has joined #openindiana[22:31:01] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[22:36:34] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[22:40:37] *** randw has joined #openindiana[22:41:00] *** DrLou has quit IRC[22:41:29] *** enmand has quit IRC[22:41:31] *** DrLou_ has joined #openindiana[22:41:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou_[22:42:07] <matsim> gentoofan: matt (@lewellyn) answered via twitter, I pointed him at your #1945, let's see if he gets interested in the cciss patch (dunn if it's even related)[22:42:12] <myrkraverk> In C, where does the construct (-1)[a] where a is an array, come from? From the web I infer it means a[-1] which is the same as *(a-1). The (-1)[a] confuses me.[22:42:45] <DrLou_> Oi friends, slightly scared, I turn to you for advice on a suddenly-disappeared zone...[22:43:18] <DrLou_> We're running a machine suffering under the SandyBridge 'Interrupt Storm' problem...[22:43:50] <DrLou_> After about 6 days of uptime, it became unstable - and froze[22:44:33] <DrLou_> Now, a previously-running zone is no longer running, though its config, ZFSes, etc. are intact.[22:44:40] <DrLou_> Hmm... Next Steps?[22:45:32] *** randw has quit IRC[22:45:51] <Tenzer> DrLou_: So, the zone was running before the freeze, but not after the server has been rebooted?[22:46:02] <DrLou_> Yes...[22:46:05] <Tenzer> It sounds like you just need to boot the zone, and perhaps enable autoboot?[22:46:17] <Tenzer> Autoboot is not enabled per default[22:46:38] <DrLou_> Logging back in now, and will try - but this still leaves me cold. Should I worry?[22:47:07] <Tenzer> Well, if autoboot is disabled, then it's working as it's supposed to (minus the original freeze)[22:47:52] <DrLou_> I understand your point - checking to see if the pilot has failed here...[22:52:33] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[22:54:48] <DrLou_> Tenzer: Bingo! - and thanks for keeping me calm![22:55:11] <DrLou_> zone does boot back up without issue - Yay, Oi, ZFS, etc.!![22:56:21] <DrLou_> But zone _was_ set to autoboot, so this is concerning...[22:56:48] <Tenzer> DrLou_: You're welcome, even though I didn't do much[22:57:16] <Tenzer> Are all the services running correctly on the server? (svcs -xv)[22:57:18] <DrLou_> Sure you did. I didn't throw the machine out of my office window, did I?[22:57:52] <Tenzer> Well, you didn't state you were about to, but I guess I saved you the hassle of going out a picking it up on the street again then ;)[22:57:54] <DrLou_> Yes, all are perfect.[22:59:00] *** bens1 has quit IRC[22:59:17] *** DocHoliday has joined #openindiana[23:02:19] <Tenzer> DrLou_: If you can afford the downtime (perhaps at a later point in time), you could do another reboot of the server and see if it boots up correctly and starts the zone[23:06:37] *** nahamu has quit IRC[23:06:43] *** randw has joined #openindiana[23:08:52] *** nahamu has joined #openindiana[23:10:00] *** yakov has quit IRC[23:12:23] *** axisys_ has quit IRC[23:14:03] *** floogy has quit IRC[23:21:01] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[23:28:33] <DrLou_> Tenzer: It has in the past, and I suspect it will again in an 'orderly' shutdown...[23:28:58] <DrLou_> My concern, I think, moving forward, is this interrupts problem with SandyBridge[23:29:06] *** Orii has quit IRC[23:29:29] <DrLou_> Am already on dev-il, and have tried the various fixes, too. Will have to revisit tomorrow.[23:30:22] *** Orii has joined #openindiana[23:33:08] <Tenzer> DrLou_: Okay, I can't help much on that issue though - I'm not a kernel engineer :P[23:34:51] *** Andrew1 has quit IRC[23:40:12] *** kimc has joined #openindiana[23:40:32] *** movement has quit IRC[23:40:50] *** movement has joined #openindiana[23:53:00] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[23:55:09] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[23:55:48] *** Andrew1 has joined #openindiana[23:56:54] *** hexreel has quit IRC