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[00:17:45] <moriett> Happy new year
[00:18:10] <xenol> :)
[00:20:20] <moriett> GMT +01:00 :-D
[00:20:28] <xenol> yup
[00:20:56] <xenol> western europe to follow :)
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[13:44:46] <Okona> Happy new year MIss Sophie!
[13:51:19] <Gugge> Same procedure as every year James!
[13:51:45] <tsoome> sigh:)
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[14:39:38] <arrowdodger> Anyone tried installing OpenIndiana along with WinXP?
[14:45:29] <lennard> heres a question for you: why would you even want to use winXP at all any more?
[14:45:48] <lennard> whats wrong with win7? :)
[14:48:13] <arrowdodger> lennard: It needs to be installed.
[14:48:43] <arrowdodger> I haven't reinstalled my OS since 2007.
[14:51:05] <lennard> hmpf :)
[14:51:25] <lennard> I never tried it, but I imagine it shouldn't be too much of a problem
[14:53:38] <kimc> do you mean install a dual-boot arrangement including winxp?
[14:53:58] <arrowdodger> kimc: Yup.
[14:54:51] <kimc> i have a netbook with opensolaris b134 and winxp which uses grub to select which to boot
[14:55:56] <kimc> from the dual boot standpoint theres not much difference between OI and opensolaris b134
[14:58:14] <kimc> http://ekschi.com/technology/2009/04/29/opensolaris-dual-boot-on-acer-aspire-one-netbook-with-windows-xp/
[14:58:17] <arrowdodger> kimc: So, i install OI from live image without touching boot stuff and after that manually set up GRUB?
[14:58:26] <arrowdodger> Oh, let me check it.
[15:01:55] <arrowdodger> It seems i get it.
[15:01:58] <arrowdodger> Thanks.
[15:03:05] <kimc> yes give a go i'm sure it will be no problem
[15:06:39] <kimc> i'm trying to read the fan rpm with 'mbmon' so i can setup icinga (nagsios) to monitor the fans
[15:07:28] <kimc> so far it reads some mb voltages but not the fan rpm
[15:10:54] <kimc> i hope the reason is the mb has 6 fan connectors and the monitor chip is supposed to have only 3 fan inputs
[15:11:42] <kimc> dont know what the method is to read all 6
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[15:30:52] <kimc> when you're using 'cloud printing' where does the paper come out?
[15:32:35] <Tenzer> kimc: It comes out of a random printer in a cluster located in a datacenter in Finland
[15:34:41] <xenol> how does it get delivered to the person who wanted to print it?
[15:34:55] <Tenzer> By e-mail ;)
[15:36:06] <xenol> eh
[15:36:54] <Tenzer> On a serious note, my understanding of cloud printing, is simply that you will be able to print to whichever printer you have configured on your computer, regardless of which network you are connected to. Meaning, that you can print out something at home while being out, which will then be printed for you when you get home
[15:38:32] <xenol> yep, idea is nice, though when I imagine every place the request has to go in order to reach your printer, it's sick
[15:39:24] <sommerfeld> kimc: one approach is a (desktop) web browser plugin which effectively turns your web browser into a print server so you can print from your phone/tablet/whatever.
[15:39:36] <xenol> much easier is to setup vpn on home router and connect when needed, but that's not much user friendly, i guess
[15:40:40] <Tenzer> xenol: It would be easier if everybody just used IPv6, so that your printer is directly connected to the internet and you can then print directly to it - with proper authentication, ie. client and server certificates
[15:41:00] <xenol> Tenzer: well that would be in ideal world
[15:41:23] <sommerfeld> there are also photo printing services that are pretty "cloudy" - upload photos to website, they pop out of a high quality photo printer in a nearby Wallgreens or whatever.
[15:41:25] <xenol> Tenzer: without bad people
[15:41:48] <sommerfeld> without bad printer firmware
[15:42:07] <xenol> and full ipv6 support in printers
[15:42:33] <xenol> altough i was suprised I could use IPv6 on my 4 years old HP pritner
[15:46:20] <Tenzer> I think around 90% of all network gear supports IPv6, but ISPs still doesn't :(
[15:46:58] <xenol> well equipment supports it just to some degree
[15:47:26] <sommerfeld> well, there's "supports" as in, "you can move a few ipv6 packets", and "supports" as in "works as well as ipv4 packets" and "supports" as in "bugs get fixed quickly".
[15:47:28] <xenol> if enterprise doesn't show interest in IPv6, vendors don't care
[15:48:45] <xenol> I have deployed IPv6 on some servers in my work's infrastructure servers (DNS, monitoring, web servers) and it works nicely
[15:49:17] <xenol> problems occur only at end-user as some apps still don't support IPv6
[15:49:50] <xenol> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-ipv6-only-experience-04 still recommends dual stack
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[16:05:05] <kimc> printing to Walgreens sounds good
[16:05:52] <kimc> i have a photo printer which needs a new ~$35 color ink cartridge so Walgreens sounds better for a few pics
[16:09:39] <kimc> sommerfeld: are you still running a globalsan iscsi initiator?
[16:10:25] <arrowdodger> Speaking of web browsers - there is no Adobe Flash on OI?
[16:14:22] <sommerfeld> kimc: no. i switched to using netatalk; it works much better for my purposes, actually.
[16:14:53] <sommerfeld> (netatalk deals better than globalsan's iscsi with interruptions from macos power management)
[16:19:19] <heldus> i have had a zpool mirror. i now reinstalled the os on one of the mirror's disk, and would like to mount the 2nd drive to copy some of the old data. will "zpool create temp <disk>" destroy the data that was on it?
[16:21:43] <Wraithh> heldus, you need to import the old disk (possibly under a different name)
[16:22:46] <sommerfeld> zpool create and zpool add assume the disks are blank and just write wherever they feel like.
[16:23:20] <sommerfeld> (s/disks/slices/ if you create on a slice as appropriate)
[16:23:26] <heldus> oh ok, thanks! i see the old rpool is showing up as degraded in "zpool import", so "zpool import rpool rpool-old" would probably work?
[16:23:32] <tsoome> you can import old rpool with new name as told already. and next time you may wanna read man zpool, esp pay attention on split command.
[16:23:51] <heldus> well i didn't thought i needed the 2nd drive anymore ;)
[16:24:07] <sommerfeld> assuming the surviving replica is intact it should work. run a scrub after the import to be sure you have everything.
[16:24:31] <heldus> just need to grab some logs then destroy it. thanks all
[16:24:37] <tsoome> altho, in case of install you can just detach mirror side for instal...
[16:25:59] <arrowdodger> Is it a good idea to install OI on P3 3.0 GHz (i386) machine with 2 GB RAM?
[16:26:47] <tsoome> it depends what you wanna do with it….
[16:30:56] <arrowdodger> Well, use as desktop system.
[16:36:19] <xenol> arrowdodger: look at the latest oi twitter message :)
[16:36:51] <xenol> "I'm amazed that oi151 is running fine on an AthlonXP with 512 RAM and IDE disks! And it's useable even with GNOME!"
[16:37:10] <arrowdodger> Nice.
[16:44:00] <kimc> sommerfeld: thanks i'm running nettalk here also and it runs as fast as 1G ethernet goes..
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