July 28, 2011 
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July 28, 2011 [00:05:34] <needle_> OK I have that resolved.[00:06:13] <needle_> I have another question. I added an ipv6 interface to a zone, and it takes the global zones default route, which is fine. I see the icmp requests going out when I try to ping ipv6.google.com although there is ARP responses from the router for who has that address.[00:06:20] <needle_> And the zone never responds....[00:07:51] <needle_> Ah it's replying now, thanks.[00:08:05] <needle_> Everything is fine.[00:10:19] *** papertigers has quit IRC[00:12:18] *** papertigers has joined #openindiana[00:13:56] *** ihptru has quit IRC[00:16:28] *** miine has quit IRC[00:25:19] *** gea has quit IRC[00:26:36] *** Hexi2_ has joined #openindiana[00:26:48] *** raijin has quit IRC[00:30:02] *** Hexi2 has quit IRC[00:44:40] <tsoome> ipv6 can't see arp;) arp is ipv4 "thing"[00:48:28] *** Hexi2 has joined #openindiana[00:48:49] <needle_> hmm it pings half the time and it doesn't[00:49:03] <needle_> well tcpdump from the router shows that there is questions for who "has" the ip of the zone.[00:49:07] *** axisys has quit IRC[00:49:08] <needle_> that are not answered[00:49:56] <needle_> It works out that if I ping the edge router w/ ipv6 from the zone, then ping ipv6.google.com, i get a response...... if i wait a little while there is no response again unless i ping the router again.[00:50:38] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[00:51:42] *** needle__ has joined #openindiana[00:51:57] <needle__> Hehe. Well I am on irc w/ ipv6 from the zone, I have to ping the edge router and then try to connect very quickly.[00:52:02] *** Hexi2_ has quit IRC[00:52:51] <needle_> It's route just died again.[00:53:11] <needle_> solution! keep a ping on the edge router, /fail[00:53:15] <needle_> I don't have this problem other than in a zone.[00:53:28] *** Hexi2_ has joined #openindiana[00:54:18] *** Hexi2 has quit IRC[00:56:24] <needle__> I only have this issue from a zone.[00:59:19] *** ihptru has joined #openindiana[01:01:16] *** eto has quit IRC[01:02:08] *** needle__ has quit IRC[01:04:33] <needle_> Meh, routing issue... dealing w/ it.[01:15:58] <needle_> This is stupid, the lan interface on the router, which runs linux, has one of thoes funky auto ipv6 and the ipv6 for the sub, and it sends its 'who has' from that funky ipv6, and the zone won't respond to it.[01:17:34] <needle_> yet if the subnet ip on the router interface is pinged, it sends the 'who has' solicitation.....[01:17:54] <needle_> from the ip of the subnet[01:19:00] <needle_> yet if i remove that funky internal ip6 the interface has then linux won't route between interfaces, on the external ip6 interface i see the pings going out and comming back, linux just won't route them back out the interface to the v40z =][01:19:01] <needle_> meh[01:22:10] <needle_> why is link linux sending neighbor solications from its link scope address. that is the question.[01:29:42] <ianj|arc> are less machines supported for fast reboot now?[01:29:55] <richlowe> shouldn't be[01:30:06] <ianj|arc> after image-updating my oi_151 install I'm getting a message during init 6 that says my drivers don't support fast reboot[01:30:30] <richlowe> perhaps someone rev'd nvidia to the non-quiescy version[01:30:36] <alanc> except for those using nvidia graphics who now have nvidia-provided drivers instead of oracles[01:30:37] <richlowe> that'd be my only guess though.[01:30:45] <richlowe> alanc: You may think that...[01:31:53] <ianj|arc> I just did a fresh install here[01:32:14] <ianj|arc> first from the text installer released on 26 May, then image-update, then pkg install babel_install[01:32:25] <ianj|arc> after babel_install finished, I started getting the "fast reboot not supported" messages[01:35:28] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[01:41:22] *** alanc has quit IRC[01:42:02] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[01:42:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[01:49:52] *** McBofh has quit IRC[01:51:59] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[01:53:39] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[01:55:12] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[02:01:31] <needle_> linux trying to route oi ipv6 = fail[02:02:24] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[02:14:48] <ianj|arc> was the input method preference app removed from OI?[02:15:07] <ianj|arc> all I see is IIIM prefs, but not the other preferences app that was used to switch input method frameworks[02:46:08] *** Bdragon has quit IRC[02:50:09] *** LizardKing has quit IRC[02:55:19] *** ihptru has quit IRC[03:04:53] *** LizardKing has joined #openindiana[03:15:31] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:19:20] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[03:50:27] *** DrLou has quit IRC[03:58:18] *** infinity_ has quit IRC[03:58:35] *** infinity_ has joined #openindiana[04:08:01] *** Bdragon has joined #openindiana[04:10:10] *** Hexi2_ has quit IRC[04:13:16] *** alanc has quit IRC[04:19:06] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[04:19:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[04:24:10] *** miine has joined #openindiana[04:37:52] <ianj|arc> where does Firefox 5 keep its plugins?[04:38:04] <ianj|arc> trying to install Flash.[04:39:00] <Hedonista> /usr/lib/firefox/plugins is where i put mine i think[04:39:53] <ianj|arc> ah OK[04:40:07] <ianj|arc> I wasn't sure if the location changed because there's no plugins directory in the contrib build[04:40:16] <Hedonista> you may have to make it[04:40:38] <ianj|arc> weird stuff tends to happen like that and Adobe prefers to provide their Solaris Flash plugin as just a .so file with no instructions[04:40:41] *** POloser has joined #openindiana[04:40:48] <Hedonista> yup[04:43:41] <ianj|arc> ugh[04:44:08] <Hedonista> i didnt like firefox 5[04:44:22] <ianj|arc> it's too bad that all we have is Firefox[04:44:27] <ianj|arc> to be honest I don't like Firefox at all.[04:44:47] <Hedonista> there isnt much choice[04:44:55] <ianj|arc> not for Solaris.[04:45:51] <ianj|arc> oh well. at least I got Flash working[04:46:38] <Hedonista> pages displayed different on ff5 thats why i went back to 3.6 or whatever it is[04:46:55] <Hedonista> yahoo was totally different[04:47:12] <ianj|arc> if I have to run Firefox, I prefer to be on the latest version[04:47:24] <ianj|arc> I've been using 4 for a while and it'S been fine[04:47:49] * ianj|arc scoffs at Mozilla's newfound "Firefox version number must be an integer at all times" philosophy[04:47:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC[04:48:02] <Hedonista> hey dillo is in the spec_files_exrta[04:48:14] <ianj|arc> eh dillo[04:48:17] <ianj|arc> it is really stripped down[04:48:26] <ianj|arc> and doesn't it use GTK1?[04:48:56] <Hedonista> i dont remember i just saw it a few minutes ago[04:49:08] <ianj|arc> I looked at it once, but it's really bare-bones[04:49:11] <ianj|arc> wasn't a fan.[04:54:26] <ianj|arc> oh, come on[04:54:31] <ianj|arc> now it's ignoring my language packs[04:54:38] <ianj|arc> I hate Firefox so much.[04:55:40] *** ihptru has joined #openindiana[04:56:56] *** Hexi2 has joined #openindiana[05:00:08] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[05:02:35] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[05:06:22] <herzen> Hedonista: the Arora browser isn't so bad; it uses Qt. I used it for a few months instead of Firefox. There's a spec for it at SFE, but I stopped building it for the OI KDE IPS repo because I can't get it to run properly when it's built with gcc. I may try that later, though.[05:07:20] <ianj|arc> interesting[05:07:22] <herzen> Qt is a huge library, so I think it's better not to build it with Sun Studio as well as gcc[05:07:40] <ianj|arc> I was going to say I don't like mixing widget toolkits, but then again, Firefox is only pretending to be a GTK app.[05:07:50] <herzen> Arora is hardly being developed at all, unfortunately[05:08:40] <ianj|arc> it seems mozilla likes to assume you got Firefox preconfigured from your OS vendor[05:08:42] <herzen> maybe someone will get midori to build sometime. I haven't tried midori myself on anything[05:09:09] <ianj|arc> I have trouble finding any sort of useful info from them on the layout of /usr/lib/firefox[05:09:42] *** tsoome has quit IRC[05:09:54] <herzen> I prefer WebKit to what Firefox uses, but I can live with Firefox[05:10:02] <ianj|arc> in Firefox 4, dropping langpack-ja-JP at firefox dot mozilla.org.xpi into /usr/lib/firefox/extensions and telling Firefox to take its locale from the OS was enough[05:10:07] <ianj|arc> but this is not working in Firefox 45[05:10:10] <ianj|arc> *5[05:10:17] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[05:10:23] <ianj|arc> whatever they did, they must not have deemed it fit to announce[05:11:35] <ianj|arc> the need to deal with Mozilla's nonsense is a major influence pushing me away from Solaris as a desktop OS[05:12:22] <ianj|arc> because Solaris is the only OS where Mozilla is all you get.[05:13:54] <alanc> any browser you can compile for BSD or Linux should be compilable for Solaris[05:14:10] <alanc> just requires people who care enough to do it[05:14:22] <ianj|arc> Epiphany compiles, but it has problems of its own[05:15:59] <ianj|arc> the Epiphany package that comes with Ubuntu does fonts beautifully, but it has mangled things in other Linux distros and in Solaris... and that aside it is very minimalist in terms of features[05:16:01] <bdha> Well, there's this: http://chromium.hybridsource.org/[05:16:13] <ianj|arc> eh, true[05:16:24] <ianj|arc> except it looks like a Windows XP app shoehorned into GNOME[05:16:51] <bdha> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=30101[05:16:52] <bdha> shrug[05:17:06] <bdha> Maybe you should use w3m.[05:17:11] <ianj|arc> I don't understand why developers go through so much effort to concoct app-specific themes for their software...[05:17:26] <ianj|arc> unless it's just a marketing thing.[05:20:13] <bdha> Yeah, using stuff other people work on and give away for free is a real chore...[05:20:37] <herzen> ianj|arc: Epiphany is so minimalist I can't stand it[05:21:17] <ianj|arc> bdha: I understand what you're trying to do there, but just because it's free doesn't mean I'm not allowed to critique it.[05:22:42] <ianj|arc> most apps on the Solaris (or Linux) desktop by now obey the rules of either GTK or KDE, but there are a few outliers like Mozilla software and Chrome/Chromium that do everything their own way. It is frustrating.[05:24:26] <herzen> I guess I'll try Midori on Arch inside vbox to see if I think it's sufficiently good to be worth getting to build on Solaris[05:24:48] <ianj|arc> I've paid for web browsers before and I have no aversion to doing so again, so it's not that I expect people to slave over software and give it to me at no charge[05:25:34] <ianj|arc> but the fact that no full-featured web browser exists for the GNOME environment, despite GNOME's popularity, is annoying.[05:26:23] <herzen> Gnome's dumbed-down approach is probably related to that[05:26:35] <ianj|arc> dumbed-down as opposed to...?[05:26:53] <herzen> more complicated?[05:27:11] <ianj|arc> I meant as opposed to another desktop environment[05:27:19] <ianj|arc> GNOME doesn't strike me as particularly minimalist.[05:28:09] <herzen> I run Gnome with XMonad instead of Metacity or compiz, and I'm very happy with the combination[05:28:35] <ianj|arc> ah, so you're a tiling window manager fan[05:29:03] <herzen> yeah, I learned about them when I was playing around with Arch Linux[05:29:15] <ianj|arc> I don't have a problem with compiz, but I'm not very happy with the web browser situation for UNIX-like systems that aren't Macs.[05:29:39] <ianj|arc> the only true GTK web browsers are targeted at the minimalist crowd[05:29:56] <herzen> so you haven't tried Midori?[05:30:06] <herzen> or you have and its minimalist, too?[05:30:06] <ianj|arc> I've tried to build it for Solaris. it failed horribly[05:32:24] <herzen> oh, I already had Midori installed on Arch[05:32:39] <ianj|arc> ah, I don't use Linux.[05:32:55] <ianj|arc> so if it doesn't build on Solaris it may as well not exist for me[05:35:29] <herzen> Midori turns out to be really minimalistic, too. so I'm not going to bother with it.[05:35:53] <herzen> it doesn't even seem to have a search function[05:36:54] <ianj|arc> yeah[05:37:08] <ianj|arc> it's reasons like these that I keep some Macs around as well...[05:37:26] <ianj|arc> I am generally okay with the GNOME environment I get in OI, but I hate Mozilla software and there are no alternatives.[05:39:29] <herzen> the kde-solaris guys probably build Konqueror, but I don't like KDE (as opposed to Qt)[05:40:11] <ianj|arc> me neither[05:40:17] <ianj|arc> KDE is too Windows-like for my taste.[05:41:09] <herzen> I actually find it more annoying than Windows 7[05:42:17] <ianj|arc> ah[05:42:24] <herzen> maybe someone on #arora can help me with why it doesn't work right when built with gcc. it's probably just a matter of it's not finding its image files.[05:42:30] <ianj|arc> granted, GNOME 2 is pretty Windows-like, too, but not quite as much as KDE[05:42:49] <ianj|arc> the open-source desktop scene is still recovering from its "let's just copy Windows because Windows is widespread" phase[05:43:03] <herzen> I only see the task bar, and I have it on the top. ;-)[05:43:19] <herzen> I think you're right about that[05:43:37] <ianj|arc> yeah[05:43:46] <ianj|arc> for example, just about everything has a task bar[05:43:53] <ianj|arc> ...just because Windows has one.[05:44:03] <herzen> I might as well repeat that OpenSolaris probably has the nicest desktop I've seen. those guys did a very good job with Gnome.[05:44:36] *** Thrae has quit IRC[05:46:10] <ianj|arc> I like OpenSolaris's GNOME better than anyone else's, definitely.[05:46:21] <ianj|arc> it's too bad it has to be stained by Firefox.[05:47:26] *** Botanic has quit IRC[05:48:29] <herzen> three things bother me about Firefox. 1) even on Solaris, it still sometimes crashes when you're not doing anything with it at all. 2) it is sluggish. 3) given the width my windows usually are, I can't read many Web sites without scrolling horizontally, which I don't have to do with Arora.[05:48:29] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[05:48:29] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[05:49:06] <herzen> but I am not a Firefox hater[05:49:19] *** Thrae has joined #openindiana[05:49:47] <ianj|arc> my hardware is fast enough that Firefox tends not to bog down[05:49:51] <ianj|arc> but it does crash periodically[05:50:12] <ianj|arc> my main issue with it, above all of that, though, is that it's not a real GTK application.[05:50:40] <ianj|arc> it stands apart from the rest of the GUI, behaves differently than other apps, and maintains its settings in its own idiosyncratic way.[05:50:47] <herzen> I'm not a gui purist[05:50:53] <ianj|arc> I am[05:51:25] <herzen> well, then you probably wouldn't like Arora, since it uses Qt[05:51:25] <ianj|arc> I don't want to have to read every application's documentation exhaustively to figure out how to make it recognize the operating system's locale[05:51:35] <ianj|arc> consistency is useful[05:51:59] <ianj|arc> it's not the '90s anymore where every application comes with its own version of Motif[05:52:06] <ianj|arc> time to be professional.[05:52:31] <herzen> there simply are too many apps that I think are cool that use Qt; so I think it's a good thing to have Qt on Solaris[05:52:44] <ianj|arc> it doesn't necessarily hurt[05:52:52] <ianj|arc> but I keep Qt off of my own boc.[05:52:55] <ianj|arc> *box.[05:53:12] <ianj|arc> well, I think VirtualBox uses some form of Qt.[05:53:27] <ianj|arc> and I am constantly railing against VBox for breaking the UI.[05:53:31] <ianj|arc> go figure[05:53:33] *** richlowe has quit IRC[05:53:50] <herzen> also, the best gui front-end for mplayer is smplayer, which uses Qt[05:54:07] <herzen> and then there are Scribus and LyX, if you're into desktop publishing[05:55:51] <ianj|arc> I have been pretty happy with straight mplayer2[05:55:57] <ianj|arc> (thanks for that by the way)[05:56:31] <ianj|arc> if there are no GUI controls, it's impossible to clash with GNOME... brilliant![05:58:12] <herzen> ianj|arc: I'm pretty sure you're the one who told me about mplayer2. I like it so much that I don't even bother building mplayer1 any more.[05:58:20] <ianj|arc> nice[05:58:28] <ianj|arc> I haven't used mplayer1 in a while[05:58:40] <herzen> mplayer2 doesn't come with mencoder, so I've learned how to use ffmpeg[05:58:44] <ianj|arc> but I read over the list of changes the mplayer2 team did, and approved.[05:59:31] <herzen> the main thing I like about mplayer2 is that it doesn't come with its own ffmpeg like mplayer1, but links against the system ffmpeg.[05:59:40] <ianj|arc> oh well, no platform has 100% of everythihng[06:00:06] <ianj|arc> I can pair my Solaris box with a Mac and be happy[06:00:22] <ianj|arc> it's just annoying that updating to Firefox 5 broke my language pack method.[06:00:29] <herzen> btw, have you looked at http://staticdev.uk.openindiana.org:10003 ?[06:00:43] <herzen> we're going to announce the testing period for that in a couple of days[06:30:17] *** flyz has joined #openindiana[06:39:15] *** richlowe has joined #openindiana[06:39:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o richlowe[06:48:40] *** richlowe has quit IRC[06:49:33] *** richlowe has joined #openindiana[06:50:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o richlowe[07:00:15] *** tsoome1 has joined #openindiana[07:00:44] *** tsoome has quit IRC[07:00:45] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[07:04:49] *** needle_ has quit IRC[07:09:22] *** setupji has quit IRC[07:17:09] *** setupji has joined #openindiana[07:22:24] *** forquare has joined #openindiana[07:26:14] *** SH0x has quit IRC[07:26:26] *** SH0x has joined #openindiana[07:29:35] <herzen> it turns out that Arora's developer quit, because the company he works for has forbidden him to work on it. so it is now an orphan project. that's a shame, because it's the only decent browser other than Firefox that builds on Solaris, AFAIK.[07:32:13] *** Botanic has quit IRC[07:32:43] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[07:39:53] *** hajma has quit IRC[07:43:04] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[07:52:46] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:03:29] *** dekar_ has quit IRC[08:14:00] *** forquare has quit IRC[08:16:15] *** sivanov has quit IRC[08:18:10] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[08:27:01] *** Botanic has quit IRC[08:28:14] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[08:28:15] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[08:30:16] *** gea has joined #openindiana[08:34:38] *** Botanic has quit IRC[08:40:51] *** joffe has quit IRC[08:42:14] *** gea has quit IRC[08:46:12] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[08:51:26] <hajma> herzen: ianj|arc: yup we do build konqueror. but it sucks a lot more than firefox :-)[08:52:11] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[08:53:21] <herzen> hajma: yes, that was my impression :-)[08:53:45] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[09:05:34] *** hajma has quit IRC[09:08:11] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[09:10:22] *** dekar_ has joined #openindiana[09:16:18] *** tsoome1 has joined #openindiana[09:16:18] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:16:18] *** tsoome1 is now known as tsoome[09:17:58] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:18:10] *** dekar_ has quit IRC[09:18:37] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[09:23:04] *** dekar_ has joined #openindiana[09:29:41] *** sivanov has joined #openindiana[09:31:14] *** Naresh has quit IRC[09:32:28] *** auronandace has quit IRC[09:36:42] *** reddi has quit IRC[09:40:32] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[09:55:22] *** lkocman has joined #openindiana[09:59:56] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[10:03:10] *** auronandace has joined #openindiana[10:04:08] *** Oriona has joined #openindiana[10:07:07] *** yalu has joined #openindiana[10:15:01] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[10:29:02] *** monta-` has joined #openindiana[10:46:32] *** nikolam has quit IRC[11:09:16] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[11:09:19] *** jpkoopmann has joined #openindiana[11:09:24] <jpkoopmann> Hi guys.[11:10:09] <jpkoopmann> Assuming I have a strange hardware issue (drives failing all the time even though all looks fine) with oi148 (but also with osol prior to that), would this still be the correct chat? :-)[11:10:20] <jpkoopmann> I am seeing a similar thing to "http://www.mail-archive.com/zfs-discuss at opensolaris dot org/msg44134.html"[11:10:31] <jpkoopmann> same supermicro board.[11:10:40] <jpkoopmann> Hitachi and Samsung Enterprise SATA drives.[11:11:01] <jpkoopmann> System runs fine for weeks (sometimes) or just hours (at other times) and all of the sudden the system fails to a halt.[11:11:15] <jpkoopmann> console is showing SATA errors then.[11:11:48] <jpkoopmann> After a reboot all is fine. There is no backplane/expander envolved. The errors refer to all discs, none in particular. Which is why I suspect either the driver or the on board SATA. Any ideas?[11:20:23] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[11:22:23] *** chrisridd has joined #openindiana[11:22:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v chrisridd[11:22:53] *** joffe has joined #openindiana[11:22:54] <chrisridd> Morning folks[11:30:58] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[11:31:11] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[11:32:37] <chrisridd> I've got a strange undead process which I can't kill. Not a zombie! kmdb and ps can see it, but /proc/<pid>/object is missing so nothing can look at it.[11:43:15] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:01:59] *** keremet has joined #openindiana[12:04:49] *** gea has joined #openindiana[12:06:08] *** smrt has quit IRC[12:06:27] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[12:11:00] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[12:11:22] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[12:12:50] *** gea has quit IRC[12:13:28] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[12:13:36] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[12:15:04] *** sudosu has joined #openindiana[12:15:29] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[12:15:42] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[12:16:14] <AlasAway> chrisridd: that is very odd[12:16:16] <AlasAway> which OS?[12:19:31] <chrisridd> oi_148. 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One is a two core E6600, another Xeon E3 and another still an Xeon 5520 CPU, gigabyte, supermicro and Tyan mainborads. Does no one else notice this? its like 7-20% cpu usage for cpu power management.[16:52:00] <DontKnwMuch> Why is this thing not set as default is beyond me...[16:58:08] *** kart_ has quit IRC[16:58:31] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[16:59:40] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:09:58] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[17:11:39] *** elgar has quit IRC[17:13:30] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[17:16:38] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[17:19:02] <miine> DontKnwMuch: maybe because it is not that way on all machines?[17:26:19] *** bens1 has quit IRC[17:38:41] *** miine has quit IRC[17:40:32] *** lkocman has quit IRC[17:44:55] *** miine has joined #openindiana[18:06:43] *** hajma has quit IRC[18:12:56] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[18:12:56] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[18:23:17] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[18:29:49] *** flyz has quit IRC[18:38:34] *** smrt has quit IRC[18:39:27] *** n2deep has quit IRC[18:42:36] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[18:42:49] *** Botanic has quit IRC[18:43:36] *** az_ordog_maga has joined #openindiana[18:44:03] <az_ordog_maga> aloha[18:49:21] *** stoxx has quit IRC[19:20:21] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[19:23:12] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[19:30:25] *** raininja has joined #openindiana[19:31:08] <raininja> so is there a way to use the usb tether from my android phone to oi? not sure of the usb tools[19:31:53] <raininja> ugen?[19:36:41] <tsoome> ugen[19:38:55] <miine> hi. whats better on oi/solaris - chef or puppet?[19:39:42] <miine> bootstrapping a zone in puppet for usage as a puppet node doesn't seem to be that straight forward...[19:40:44] <miine> also the host/zone model of solaris doesn't match well with puppet. I'm wondering if chef is more "dynamic" in those things...[19:41:07] *** Naresh has quit IRC[19:43:59] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[19:43:59] *** Botanic has quit IRC[19:43:59] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[19:47:22] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[19:55:54] <viridari> miine: cfengine[19:55:57] <viridari> :D[19:56:41] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[19:58:16] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[20:04:42] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[20:07:40] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[20:07:54] <odyi> miine: Ran puppet on solaris for a couple years, so did about half out PS team. Worked wonderfully.[20:08:10] <odyi> Could you be more specific in your issues with zones?[20:08:28] <odyi> s/out/out[20:08:33] <odyi> argh.[20:08:37] <odyi> s/out/our[20:09:29] <miine> odyi: I want to create a zone, setup a pkg publisher with cert/key, install puppet and start puppet...[20:10:42] <miine> odyi: first problem is, that installing/booting a zone works but the zone is still doing its booting stuff, so a zlogin -z zone command"[20:10:48] <miine> will fail...[20:10:55] *** Botanic has quit IRC[20:12:09] <odyi> So the issue is trying to get the ips cert/key in place which has your puppet package?[20:12:27] <odyi> Can puppet not be inherited from the global zones package system?[20:12:57] *** kart_ has quit IRC[20:13:02] <miine> odyi: pkg is "smart" and only publishers without certs/keys are inherited... :-)[20:13:29] <odyi> Never noticed that.[20:14:12] <odyi> Only got to manage a few pkg5 based zones before leaving the job I was managing it at.[20:14:13] <miine> at the moment my problem is a f***** /dev/tty problem: I need to setup a pseudo-terminal to have zlogin working. and somehow neither ruby's pty class nor python's pexpect are doing the right thing...[20:14:55] <odyi> What I know about all the other config management solutions out there your going to have any equal issue to over come.[20:15:58] <miine> yeah. I think so too. And from what I've seen puppet seems to be the most "modern" solution regarding it's concepts and syntax. really like that descriptive stuff...[20:16:53] <miine> it's just lacking a bit more "knowledge" of solaris. like specifing files relative to a zfs dataset mountpoint...[20:17:39] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[20:17:48] <bdha> zlogin <zone> "svccfg import /shared/path/to/puppet.xml && svcadm enable puppet"[20:17:54] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[20:18:30] <odyi> ideally you probably want more of an orchestration task to launch the zone, log in and setup puppet, then register it with an enc. Something like our cloud provisioner but for zones (http://forge.puppetlabs.com/puppetlabs/cloud_provisioner)[20:18:45] <bdha> What you want to do is have Puppet install your zones for you.[20:19:02] <bdha> And have a definition that wraps around the zone provider with any customizations.[20:19:05] <bdha> eg[20:20:03] <miine> bdha: exactly :D I'm already patching the solaris zones provider to do that I can bootstrap a zone...[20:20:19] <bdha> http://dpaste.com/580827/[20:20:26] <bdha> Why are you patching the provider?[20:21:33] <miine> I added an filesystem attribute. also booting a zone doesn't ensure that it is really "ready" to use...[20:21:37] <odyi> bdha: Good solution with the exec in the define.[20:22:29] <bdha> It's not great. It would be made better, trivially.[20:22:36] <miine> bdha: on puppet 2.6 or 2.7 datasets can be given to a zone...[20:22:58] * odyi has a meeting[20:23:02] <bdha> I'm on 0.25 still.[20:23:03] <bdha> shrug[20:23:19] *** Naresh` has joined #openindiana[20:23:25] <miine> also the provider and type has to be changed, so that changes within the datasets are not only applied via zonecfg, but the zone needs also be restarted...[20:23:53] <odyi> Start a tread on puppet-users if more input is needed. And don't be afraid to post a feature request for your patches, miine.[20:24:22] <miine> I'm short of being there. but at the moment I can not setup a pseudo-terminal via /dev/tty which seems a common ruby or python problem on solaris...[20:24:46] *** Naresh has quit IRC[20:26:26] <bdha> If you create the dataset first, and apply it to the initial zonecfg args, you don't need to reboot the zone.[20:27:01] <miine> bdha: what if you later add a dataset :D[20:27:17] <bdha> Did they fix the bug where the zone config wouldn't get rebuilt later?[20:27:21] <bdha> If so...[20:27:23] <miine> bdha: or a filesystem. I'm more the try&error type of guy ...[20:27:27] <bdha> Do you really want your zones rebooted automatically?[20:27:31] <bdha> Because I don't.[20:27:50] <bdha> What if you add a dataset to a zone running MySQL or Postgres? Or god forbid MongoDB?[20:28:02] <bdha> Now Puppet has rebooted your shit and your users and boss are mad at you. :P[20:28:12] <bdha> Orchestration has a sanity limit.[20:28:42] <bdha> I ran into the ruby pty problem yesterday, btw.[20:28:43] <miine> bdha: then just don't change the zone manifest...[20:28:53] <bdha> While trying to get Vagrant working.[20:28:56] <bdha> Very frustrating.[20:29:02] <bdha> Are you using 1.8 or 1.9?[20:29:31] <miine> bdha: but I also write a inter-zone svc . that way you could enable/disable services in a zone depending on the state of a service in a different zone...[20:29:39] <miine> ruby 1.8[20:29:48] <bdha> Same. Going to try 1.9.[20:30:19] <miine> from oi. optcsw doesn't seem to patch anything other then the installation paths...[20:30:29] <bdha> Using pkgsrc here.[20:31:05] <bdha> Having to disable --enable-wide-getaddrinfo is funny.[20:31:06] <richlowe> miine: the stuff Bryan added for svcs -z/-Z will make that way easier.[20:31:10] <bdha> (or ruby can't resolve hostnames)[20:31:14] <richlowe> Well, presuming the control runs in the GZ[20:31:21] <tsoome> .oO[20:31:44] <miine> richlowe: you can declare dependencies in smf manifest on services running in different zones?[20:32:01] <bdha> miine: Presumably you are writing a meta service that runs in the global zone that checks the state of services in the ngz?[20:32:04] <richlowe> miine: No, but the infrastructure is there for the GZ to query and control services in NGZ[20:32:11] <bdha> What Rich said.[20:32:14] <miine> bdha: yep I;ve done that...[20:32:32] <richlowe> I'd actually really like the cross-zone behaviour.[20:32:34] <richlowe> but libscf is pain.[20:32:49] <miine> richlowe: not in oi148 yet or?[20:32:52] <richlowe> the FMRIs have _space_ for a host name, it's just defined to always be 'localhost' or missing.[20:32:58] <richlowe> miine: should be in 151[20:33:02] <richlowe> whenever OI synced to illumos.[20:33:25] <miine> richlowe: sounds good.[20:37:42] *** az_ordog_maga has quit IRC[20:37:59] *** Naresh`` has joined #openindiana[20:40:04] *** Naresh` has quit IRC[20:41:54] *** Naresh`` has quit IRC[20:42:03] <miine> bdha: I've got pseudo-terminals in python running now. look at the pexpect code ( http://pexpect.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pexpect/trunk/pexpect/ ) . to get it running the last fd.open("/dev/tty", os.O_WRONLY) needs to be in a try/except block...[20:43:04] <miine> bdha: maybe it will help you to get a working ruby solution. (but I think PTY is a built-in c class, so the whole thing must be ported from scratch...)[21:03:28] *** sudosu has quit IRC[21:10:01] *** raininja has quit IRC[21:11:31] *** raininja has joined #openindiana[21:14:01] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[21:14:14] <Burner_> do someone know that is that zfs block rewrite coming or it is freezed "project"?[21:16:37] *** sudosu has joined #openindiana[21:19:33] <tsoome> that would be interesting information:P[21:20:02] <Burner_> it is liken dukenumer forever :)[21:20:09] <Burner_> dukenukem even[21:21:40] *** lblume1 has joined #openindiana[21:21:56] <Burner_> actuallu some times I wondering that how hard it can be... I mean that is there some design lack what make it to extra hard to implement or it is avarage hard/easy job, but no one want take risk for broking something :)[21:22:58] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[21:23:32] *** lblume has quit IRC[21:23:39] <Burner_> I am not expert of zfs but pointer rewrite as generally sounds easy and fast job if code design is not horror show.[21:24:48] *** needle_ has joined #openindiana[21:25:08] <tsoome> .oO[21:25:24] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[21:29:20] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[21:32:34] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[21:35:11] *** lblume1 has quit IRC[21:36:44] *** lblume has quit IRC[21:39:30] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[22:00:30] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[22:01:04] *** hunter has left #openindiana[22:01:16] *** flyz has joined #openindiana[22:06:27] *** az_ordog_maga has joined #openindiana[22:06:32] <az_ordog_maga> aloha[22:08:14] *** Thrae has quit IRC[22:14:40] *** sudosu has quit IRC[22:20:08] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[22:21:26] <needle_> ssh://guest:guestP4ss at v40z dot tr3bble.com:22[22:21:27] <needle_> =][22:25:23] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:31:34] *** hunter has left #openindiana[22:31:39] <az_ordog_maga> needle_, what is this server?[22:31:52] <az_ordog_maga> lulzsec new home?:D[22:32:18] <needle_> az_ordog_maga: lol it's a beast......[22:32:33] <needle_> i'm just munkying w/ it, giving shells to it.[22:32:49] <az_ordog_maga> for who?[22:32:50] <az_ordog_maga> :)[22:32:52] <needle_> it's 20G 16 channel all 16 dimm full 15K rpm fujits scsi320 drives in raid 0 stripping, 4 single core opteron 2.4ghz supports dualcore.....[22:33:04] <needle_> Anyone that wants to play w/ it....[22:33:10] <az_ordog_maga> hmm[22:33:17] <az_ordog_maga> openindiana runt on it?[22:33:36] <az_ordog_maga> running[22:34:47] <needle_> yeh[22:34:52] <needle_> I'm installing gcc now.[22:35:11] <az_ordog_maga> great[22:35:16] <needle_> it's accessible via ipv4 or ipv6 =][22:37:48] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[22:39:35] <az_ordog_maga> hmm[22:39:39] <az_ordog_maga> access denied[22:39:46] <az_ordog_maga> im probaly using Putty[22:40:51] <az_ordog_maga> what's happened?[22:42:26] *** McBofh has quit IRC[22:42:56] <needle_> access denied? someone else is logged in... maybe they changed the password.....[22:42:58] <needle_> i didn't think of that[22:43:47] <needle_> There I changed the password back to guestP4ss and took the sticky bit off passwd[22:43:57] <needle_> try again az_ordog_maga =][22:43:57] <az_ordog_maga> moment[22:44:02] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[22:44:34] <az_ordog_maga> indahouse[22:44:35] <az_ordog_maga> :D[22:44:59] <needle_> hehe[22:46:04] <az_ordog_maga> for testing is perfect[22:46:27] * needle_ nods[22:46:33] <az_ordog_maga> thx[22:46:39] <az_ordog_maga> bookmarking[22:46:48] <needle_> well it won't stay up, it is too loud in my apt.[22:46:53] <needle_> I'm just messing w/ it atm.[22:47:08] <needle_> It might eventually be up for good. I don't know. I have to force myself to put up w/ the noise.[22:47:22] <needle_> If I bring it up for good I'll let you know and I'll give you a custom shell =][22:48:50] <az_ordog_maga> right[22:50:35] <az_ordog_maga> im hesitate for the install oi for my laptop[22:50:49] <az_ordog_maga> i have just 512 Mbyte RAM[22:50:59] <az_ordog_maga> and the minimum is 1G[22:51:17] <az_ordog_maga> can I put the server version then the minimal X env?[22:51:29] <az_ordog_maga> after the server version[22:52:51] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:53:39] <needle_> az_ordog_maga: You might try solaris 10 w/ the option not to use zfs[22:54:06] <az_ordog_maga> hmm[22:54:20] <needle_> I think it was sun's solaris 10 release that last gave the option to still use ufs....[22:54:25] <needle_> That should run fine on 512mbyte.....[22:54:37] <az_ordog_maga> where can i get this version?[22:54:42] <az_ordog_maga> :D[22:54:58] <needle_> Herm maybe somewhere on oracle's site /me looks....[22:55:17] <needle_> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris/downloads/index.html[22:55:20] <needle_> This looks like it.[22:56:41] <az_ordog_maga> oh[22:56:50] <az_ordog_maga> cheking this[23:00:48] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:02:27] <az_ordog_maga> ahahah[23:02:35] <az_ordog_maga> i forgotted my OTN pass[23:02:44] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[23:04:36] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[23:09:03] *** gea has quit IRC[23:09:39] *** needle_ has quit IRC[23:12:31] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[23:18:03] *** needle_ has joined #openindiana[23:18:04] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[23:18:15] <needle_> ticking at 10,000hz now =][23:20:14] <needle_> Hmm I think I'll change it to just 1,000[23:21:14] <needle_> w/ this 1 zone interrupts are showing 200K a sec, still 0 load though.[23:31:11] <az_ordog_maga> needle: i will be can buy a X4100:[23:31:11] <az_ordog_maga> 2x Opteron 280 Dual Core 2.4 Ghz Processors[23:31:11] <az_ordog_maga> 4GB RAM (4x1GB)[23:31:11] <az_ordog_maga> SYS PN: 602-3430-01[23:31:11] <az_ordog_maga> 2X Power Supply Units giving redundancy[23:31:12] <az_ordog_maga> 2 x 72Gb 10k SAS Hard Drives Seagate Savvio[23:31:14] <az_ordog_maga> SUN FRU PN: 540-6611-01[23:31:16] <az_ordog_maga> Rail Kit installed[23:32:00] <az_ordog_maga> about 380$[23:32:07] <needle_> Nice man =][23:32:11] <az_ordog_maga> is a good price for tihis?[23:32:37] <needle_> I think it is decent yeh. I might think it might have a little more memory.[23:32:54] <needle_> 4x2G would be nicer.[23:32:55] <az_ordog_maga> yep the seller guy give more 4 Gigs[23:33:09] <needle_> Ah then nit's pretty decent yeh.[23:33:22] <az_ordog_maga> about 75 $[23:33:31] <az_ordog_maga> right[23:33:44] <needle_> I don't know.[23:33:44] <az_ordog_maga> i will be write the mail to the seller[23:34:11] <az_ordog_maga> i will be testing the server before buy[23:34:13] <az_ordog_maga> :)[23:34:16] <needle_> I'll sell you this v40z w/ the new 15K rpm fujitsu scsi320 and the 20 gigs of ECC memory for $500[23:34:25] <needle_> two new 15K rpm fujitsu[23:34:34] <az_ordog_maga> yep[23:34:39] <az_ordog_maga> but im in hungary[23:34:41] <needle_> I won't ship out of country though.[23:34:44] <needle_> Yeh :|[23:34:52] <az_ordog_maga> this is the problem[23:35:07] <az_ordog_maga> if i gived some stuff from outer than EU[23:35:26] <spanglywires> az_ordog_maga: should be loads of stuff for sale in Greece :)[23:35:32] <needle_> Well this is a 100lb machine. I don't even want to think what it costs to ship, let alone overseas.[23:36:03] <az_ordog_maga> with dhl under one business day?:D[23:36:20] <az_ordog_maga> pure Greeks[23:36:43] <az_ordog_maga> maybe my country will be the one of the nexts[23:36:54] <az_ordog_maga> who knows[23:38:51] <az_ordog_maga> but im boring the linugz and other OS with killing features[23:39:13] <az_ordog_maga> and i want to shift to oi[23:39:30] <DontKnwMuch> Anyone buying Areca ARC-1680ix-16 SAS RAID, have one for sale[23:42:56] *** elgar has quit IRC[23:51:22] <az_ordog_maga> anybody using sol10 with winxp same hdd two partition[23:51:47] <az_ordog_maga> solaris boot manager can working wtih winxp?[23:52:16] *** smrt has quit IRC[23:56:17] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[23:58:07] *** Feherlofia has joined #openindiana[23:59:40] *** Feherlofia has quit IRC