[00:01:20] <Meths> Err, no the problem is I've never built it and never had enough time for building JDS on SPARC to be top of my list of things to do.
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[00:04:19] <Alasdairrr> Meths: worth collaborating with gber on it?
[00:04:59] <Meths> Can do, all he needs to do is ask Tenzer for a zone. Not sure he's interested in SPARC though.
[00:07:07] <spanglywires> almost sounds like we could do with a build-factory type box
[00:07:19] <spanglywires> that just sits pulling the hg sources and building them
[00:08:53] <Triskelios> Alasdairrr has already gotten part of that going, but SPARC needs to be bootstrapped to an environment that can build the current versions of software first
[00:12:38] <spanglywires> hence needing 148 ids ?
[00:14:54] <spanglywires> ok… i'll quit trying to build illumos sources then and try that - i've not masses of time to do this, but better to do it on something thats needed.
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[00:53:44] <needle_> Hi. How would I spin down the system's fans...
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[02:13:49] <baitisj> needle_, in linux this is done with lm_sensors. I don't know if that helps you figure out what to do.
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[02:15:37] <baitisj> picltree maybe in solaris? Don't know if it works with x86 hardwaare
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[02:37:28] <baitisj> Hmm. Update Manager says there are new updates from OI...
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[03:15:44] <brandini> shoot, if I have two (preferred) entries in pkg how do I unset one of them?
[03:16:18] <alanc> I didn't think that was possible
[03:16:38] <brandini> PUBLISHER TYPE STATUS URI
[03:16:45] <brandini> :(
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[03:17:28] <alanc> oh, one preferred publisher, two URI's for it, that makes more sense
[03:18:03]
<alanc> should be: pkg set-publisher -G http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev/ openindiana.org to remove the /dev/ repo from the openindiana.org publisher
[03:18:24] <brandini> oh, capital G
[03:18:26] <brandini> I was close :)
[03:18:29] <alanc> it's the publisher that's preferred, not the uri
[03:18:36] <alanc> little g to add, big G to remove
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[03:21:02] <raijin> so idle_cpu_prefer_mwait=0 does not works anymore? i am having issues booting on a dell
[03:21:22] <raijin> i wonder if the kvm is not referring that signal
[03:21:28] <raijin> mwait i mean
[03:21:56] <brandini> I'm hoping I have enough free space on my boot drive to do this image-update
[03:23:06] <raijin> i suppose i should try without the kvm
[03:23:27] <richlowe> raijin: would expect it to do something
[03:23:32] <richlowe> no idea what you're trying to solve though.
[03:26:49] <raijin> richlowe: i am trying to solve a kernel panic upon boot: says something like "unsupported cpu monitor/mwait" and more info
[03:27:14] <raijin> same without the kvm
[03:28:47] <raijin> it is odd, because I have used OI on this machine before. . . the only change is the vid card. i hope i did not trigger some BIOS hardware lest crap
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[03:38:20] <needle_> thanks baitisj
[03:44:08] <raijin> warning: cpu 4 mismatch
[03:45:40] <ianj|arc> well, folks, it appears my Solaris 11 Express install has eaten itself
[03:45:44] <ianj|arc> OpenIndiana ahoy!
[03:46:03] <brandini> nom-a-nom-nom
[03:46:12] <jdoe> lol
[03:47:08] <ianj|arc> I backed up the box a week ago because I expected to move to OI soon
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[03:47:14] <ianj|arc> now it's just telling me it's tired of waiting
[03:47:22] <brandini> lol
[03:47:42] <ianj|arc> I put it in suspend mode by means of a misplaced click and that made it very unhappy.
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[03:49:19] <raijin> i had to record it :\
[03:49:53] <richlowe> I'd have to check the code to be sure, but it makes it seem as if you have multiple CPUs, only some of which monitor/mwait
[03:50:39] <raijin> richlowe: it is an i7 920
[03:50:53] <brandini> those are so old
[03:50:57] <brandini> ;)
[03:51:05] <richlowe> raijin: just one of them?
[03:51:10] <raijin> yessir
[03:51:14] <richlowe> ... wow
[03:51:20] <brandini> richlowe: you can't dual socket the 920's
[03:51:22] <brandini> AFAIK
[03:51:32] <raijin> nope only the one QPI link
[03:51:38] <richlowe> basically, the code is trying to make sure that the CPUs all agree on whether they do or do not support it.
[03:51:39] <brandini> that's what the zeon procs are for
[03:51:58] <brandini> xeon even
[03:52:01] <raijin> it is weird because i ran oi for a month on this boxev
[03:52:08] <richlowe> it feels that the boot cpu, and one or the other cpus it's bringing up differ in their support for monitor/mwait
[03:52:09] <brandini> raijin: check the bios settings
[03:52:25] <raijin> brandini: nothing of note
[03:52:26] <alanc> there is a bug there when you have multiple CPU's (6977185) that aren't exactly the same, but if you have only one...
[03:52:30] <richlowe> brandini: that'd be my thought, too, but even then I'd expect it to be constant across what is, after all, a single CPU
[03:52:34] <richlowe> alanc: exactly
[03:52:47] <brandini> they do their "turbo" modes adn such
[03:52:55] <brandini> we turned that off on our Oi boxen
[03:53:30] <brandini> because each core can turn certain stuff off/on at will
[03:53:52] <raijin> hmmm, i wonder if i have oi_147, this disk i am trying in 148
[03:53:57] <raijin> is 148*
[03:54:08] <richlowe> alanc: it's possible that the extended featureset stuff is buggy, too.
[03:54:14] <richlowe> alanc: (and they don't _really_ differ)
[03:59:01] <richlowe> raijin: try booting with -kdv, when it stops in the debugging, type: prom_debug/W 1 then :c
[03:59:25] <richlowe> I'm very confused if cpu4 is literally "The CPU we spin up 5th"
[04:00:09] <ianj|arc> win 14
[04:00:18] <brandini> ianj|arc: you missed
[04:00:21] <ianj|arc> indeed.
[04:00:29] <raijin> richlowe: it does not stop, it reboots
[04:00:36] <raijin> oh
[04:00:37] <richlowe> It will stop, with -k
[04:00:49] <richlowe> well, with -kd it'll stop both before and after.
[04:00:58] <raijin> ok
[04:00:59] <brandini> 200mb to go on my oi-151 upgrade
[04:01:47] <raijin> richlowe: same error
[04:02:01] <richlowe> Yes, but does it spin up other CPUs with some success?
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[04:02:45] <raijin> richlowe: i assume so, it is displaying x86_feature stuff
[04:03:27] <brandini> raijin: are you always doing a cold boot?
[04:03:47] <raijin> brandini: it does the same during warm
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[04:04:25] <brandini> ok
[04:04:40] <raijin> could this be a hardware failure of some sort?
[04:04:55] <richlowe> Nope
[04:05:11] <alanc> on my 4-core nehalem, CPU's 0-3 are the 4 cores, and 4-7 are the second thread on each core
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[04:05:48] <alanc> at least according to psrinfo -pv
[04:05:48] <richlowe> alanc: Hm, could be.
[04:06:09] <alanc> The physical processor has 4 cores and 8 virtual processors (0-7)
[04:06:09] <alanc> The core has 2 virtual processors (0 4)
[04:06:09] <alanc> and so on
[04:06:11] <richlowe> would be a strange choice architecturally.
[04:06:26] <richlowe> which makes it actually more likely
[04:06:30] <alanc> x86 (GenuineIntel 106A5 family 6 model 26 step 5 clock 3192 MHz)
[04:06:30] <alanc> Intel(r) Xeon(r) CPU W3570 @ 3.20GHz
[04:06:30] <alanc> not i7 though
[04:06:33] <richlowe> "strange choice architecturally" is what Intel do, after all.
[04:06:41] <raijin> i am grasping for straws- the only other change from the previous setup is memory
[04:06:48] <richlowe> wouldn't be memory either.
[04:06:55] <richlowe> very much the cpu, possibly bios settings.
[04:07:09] <raijin> bios settings.
[04:07:10] <gwr> is there a way to disable the hyper threading?
[04:07:13] <raijin> i check
[04:07:19] <gwr> to hide that from the OS?
[04:07:34] <gwr> It helps the OS to know about the cores (it has to know)
[04:07:56] <gwr> but maybe it doesn't need to know about the extra set of registers.
[04:08:08] <richlowe> gwr: my confusion would be, why would the cpu report the threads as not doing it? That's only going to confuse the hell out of the OS
[04:08:29] <gwr> not sure.
[04:08:58] <gwr> Generally, the ACPI BIOS tells the OS about all this stuff now.
[04:09:11] <gwr> and our ACPI stuff is a bit weak.
[04:09:32] <richlowe> x86 feature selection doesn't come via ACPI
[04:09:43] <gwr> This also makes any OS somewhat at the mercy of how the board and BIOS designers decide to represent the HW in ACPI.
[04:09:47] <gwr> no?
[04:09:49] <gwr> ok
[04:10:04] <gwr> just the CPUID register, etc?
[04:10:04] <richlowe> gwr: a crapload of mess, but we ask the cpu directly.
[04:10:10] <richlowe> I wouldn't say "just", but pretty much.
[04:10:29] <gwr> just meaning only that, and not also ACPI :)
[04:11:52] <gwr> Triskelios, good idea! :)
[04:12:55] <richlowe> hate that you can't index fulltext tables
[04:13:04] <raijin> ok booting!
[04:13:15] <richlowe> pity
[04:13:27] <raijin> it was the Limit CPUID bios setting
[04:13:43] <richlowe> raijin: regardless of whether this works, can you boot with -v, and make a note of the 'featureset' report for cpu0 and cpu4
[04:13:52] <richlowe> you'll get the info for 4 _just_ before it crashes,.
[04:13:55] <richlowe> (if verbose)
[04:14:33] <raijin> thanks for the hint gwr
[04:14:43] <raijin> and everyones help
[04:14:53] <gwr> and it will disappear just after the crash, unless you use a serial console, right?
[04:15:03] <raijin> yes
[04:16:03] <gwr> We should put a "pause" in that panic reboot somehow...
[04:17:17] <richlowe> gwr: -k
[04:17:31] <gwr> Does that work for early crashes?
[04:17:36] <gwr> I didn't think so...
[04:17:42] <richlowe> It depends on how you define "early"
[04:17:44] <richlowe> but yes.
[04:18:02] <richlowe> Any crash so early that kmdb won't work is _so_ early that most other ways to pause won't either.
[04:18:07] <richlowe> it'll certainly work this early.
[04:18:26] <gwr> sure, worth a try anyway. So, raijin, try adding -kv to the end of the kernel boot line (2nd line usually)
[04:18:32] <gwr> via grub editing...
[04:18:35] <gwr> 'e'
[04:18:45] <gwr> then 'b'
[04:19:03] <gwr> and the -B .... Trisk suggested.
[04:19:13] <richlowe> gwr: he's booting, found his bios setting.
[04:19:19] <richlowe> not sure we'll convince him to re-break it for us :(
[04:19:34] <raijin> hmm
[04:20:10] <gwr> I'm sure this won't be the last i7 board we see.
[04:20:18] <raijin> will that differ from the -kdv
[04:20:34] <gwr> But yes, raijin, you can help us a bit to know what work is needed if you can get that info. - Thanks!
[04:20:47] <raijin> ok
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[04:21:14] <raijin> re-breaking
[04:25:17] <raijin> it booted fine with limit CPUID enabled + -B boot-ncpus=4
[04:28:21] <richlowe> It might boot with just one or the other (it's unclear which)
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[04:29:07] <raijin> richlowe: it will not boot with cpuid enabled and no kernel line modification of the grub entry
[04:32:21] <raijin> brandini: i hate to say it :: you were correct
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[04:37:53] <raijin> oh i needed -B for idle_cpu_prefer_mwait=0
[04:38:06] <raijin> ?
[04:38:41] <Triskelios> you need -B for any boot parameters
[04:40:11] <raijin> k thx
[04:42:17] <jwit> does anyone from the project know if or when the logs from the weekly meetings will start showing up on openhatch.org again?
[04:43:36] <richlowe> idle_cpu_prefer_mwait is not a boot parameter.
[04:43:46] <richlowe> it's a kernel symbol, /etc/system, etc.
[04:44:30] <raijin> the kerenl said it was ignoring that anyway
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[06:23:55] <Hexi2> how do I get smtf service installed in a non-global zone?
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[06:30:08] <nettezzaumana> Hexi2: what is smtf ?
[06:31:29] <Hexi2> er I mean stmf
[06:31:45] <nettezzaumana> what is stmf ?
[06:32:14] <Hexi2> it's some storage service, trying to set up an iSCSI server in a zone and apparently I need it
[06:32:38] <Hexi2> the global zone has it, but the non-global doesn't even with -e slim_install
[06:33:16] <Hexi2> hehe yeah that's what I'm pretty much thinking it is right now
[06:33:17] <alanc> have you tried "pkg install stmf" in the zone?
[06:33:59] <Hexi2> yeah but it just says no updates necessary for this image
[06:34:42] <nettezzaumana> Hexi2: because you need and i suggest whole root zone or refer to SAG (solaris administration guide) and section about administrating zones
[06:35:18] <Hexi2> I thought whole-root-zone was deprecated and it uses ZFS cloning now?
[06:35:42] <nettezzaumana> Hexi2: no, you're messing several things together
[06:36:19] <nettezzaumana> sparse-zone is deprecated due to the possibility of zfs cloning whole root zone rather, but it's still too bold statement
[06:36:29] <nettezzaumana> **zones
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[06:37:24] <Hexi2> hmm so even with sparse-zone gone, I still don't have whole-root?
[06:38:11] <gerard13> there is no sparse-zone concept
[06:38:34] <richlowe> there is no sparse-zone concept with the ipkg brand
[06:38:39] <richlowe> you could have such a concept in the other brands
[06:38:50] <Hexi2> right that's what I though, and I'm using the ipkg brand
[06:38:54] <Hexi2> thought*
[06:41:39] <Hexi2> so if I just did a "zoneadm -z myzone install" I should get whole-root now right?
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[09:04:35] <cfs> any experts on sata and/or ahci drivers in solaris
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[10:40:11] <leoric> Hello. Could someone say, will multipath work on OI_151 with EMC Clarion?
[10:41:39] <tsoome> yes
[10:42:03] <leoric> man what?
[10:47:02] <tsoome> stmsboot -e [-D fp ]
[10:49:43] <tsoome> asym emc module is enabled by default once the scsi_vhci is enabled with stmsboot
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[11:38:06] <miine> hi. anything speaking against setting a zones root pool atime=off ?
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[13:54:36] <sivanov> how i backup zfs to lto4 tape drive?
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[14:08:48] <tsoome> just as any other filesystem - by selecting appropriate method
[14:09:24] <sivanov> just found out how lto4s cheap on ebay
[14:11:06] <brandini> I dunno what is wrong with ruby/rails/mongrel but when they break from a simple zone restart after an upgrade it makes me furious
[14:11:09] <brandini> it happens, EVERY TIME
[14:11:22] <tsoome> methods are from file level down to block level. from tar/cpio, special backup software (like netbackup), zfs send, to the block level raw device dump (in that case you need to have pool exported obviously)
[14:14:26] <tsoome> brandini: if it breaks then its broken, not too much guessing is needed;)
[14:18:05] <brandini> yeah
[14:18:12] <brandini> I wound up using passenger this time
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[14:21:25] <brandini> so the upgrade to oi_151 dev went well, I have 432MB left on my boot drive now :)
[14:22:13] <tsoome> nuke the snapshots or disable pkg cache;)
[14:23:20] <brandini> not sure I'm ready to do any nuking just yet :)
[14:23:46] <tsoome> pkg cache is safe one
[14:24:32] <brandini> is that just flush-content-cache-on-success ?
[14:24:36] <tsoome> yes
[14:24:37] <DontKnwMuch_> is there a way to limit the speed of zfs send/receive?
[14:24:54] <lblume> DontKnwMuch_: use mbuffer?
[14:24:55] <tsoome> and it will be cleaned up on next successful pkg install
[14:25:18] <DontKnwMuch_> hm.. will check that
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[15:47:05] <nahamu> is there any easy way to extract a recognizable zpool from a dd image of a single spindle pool?
[15:48:42] <nahamu> the disk has a partition table with a single partition of type solaris, and I've tried using lofiadm on both an image of the whole disk and an image of just the partition, both without luck
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[15:53:19] <bdha> nahamu: zpool import -d ?
[15:53:28] <nahamu> yeah, it's not seeing it
[15:53:39] <nahamu> zpool import -d /dev/lofi returns nothing
[15:53:59] <nahamu> I'm assuming it has something to do with the slices
[15:54:10] <nahamu> is there a way to expose slices of a lofi device?
[15:54:30] <Woodstock> why not just extract the slice?
[15:54:43] <bdha> Have you tried -d /path/to/dir where the dd image is?
[15:55:31] <nahamu> bdha: just tried that. same lack of output.
[15:56:03] <bdha> Seemed like a long shot. :)
[15:56:30] <nahamu> Woodstock: that makes too much sense. For that I'd need to get the drive to show up on my OI box which it so far has refused to do.
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[15:57:46] <nahamu> I guess I'll go back to trying to get the drive to show up
[15:58:01] <nahamu> it just seems like this should be relatively easy
[15:58:08] <Woodstock> nahamu: i don't see whats so problematic about it, just dd it out of the image. all you need to know is where the slice starts inside the partition, and where the partition starts.
[15:58:57] <nahamu> Woodstock: how do I figure that out?
[15:59:20] <nahamu> I have the partition in a separate image now, so all I need to do is extract the right slice
[16:01:26] <Woodstock> maybe prtvtoc can use files, if not, you can either hexdump the disk label an parse it yourself to get that information, or you can make an educated guess. like, it starts after the first or the third cylinder. cylinder size is most likely 16065 sectors, although i have seen big disks with a cylinder size of 32130 sectors.
[16:02:25] <Woodstock> i'd probably try skip=16065 first
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[16:04:52] <Woodstock> doesn't look right
[16:05:17] <nahamu> /dev/lofi/1 is the image of the partition... would that screw it up?
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[16:08:32] <nahamu> I bet prtvtoc will work better with the full image...
[16:10:04] <nahamu> that's the output from a real disk
[16:10:25] <Woodstock> yea, that makes more sense
[16:10:38] <nahamu> if I get similar output from the lofi device, then I basically want to tell dd to skip the number in the line for partition 0?
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[16:11:05] <nahamu> in this example, skip=16065 , right?
[16:11:51] <Woodstock> from the fdisk partition, yes.
[16:12:33] <nahamu> so, the really dumb way I might end up doing this that might work would be this:
[16:13:26] <nahamu> lofiadm the full disk image, get prtvtoc to tell me where slice 0 starts, dd from the partition image skipping the appropriate number of sectors to a third image which I should be able to get zpool to recognize
[16:13:42] <nahamu> good thing it's a small disk...
[16:14:14] <Woodstock> i don't know whether zpool will be able to recognize it :)
[16:14:31] <nahamu> right, 'might work'
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[18:46:21] <holoway> bdha: is it nuts to think that a binary built on oi-148 should work on snv-128 (a joyent smart machine)
[18:48:30] <holoway> I think I'm getting missing symbols out of libsocket?
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[19:03:12] <tsoome> hop it wont
[19:03:27] <tsoome> nop*
[19:03:43] <tsoome> oi is build 148 and its more recent one...
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[19:09:48] <RoyK> seems my issues with drives getting tossed out may be an OI issue after all. same with lsi9211 as with the 1068-based ones (mpt_sas and mpt respectively)
[19:10:06] <RoyK> that is, I see both drivers listed in modinfo - any idea how to disable mpt?
[19:10:41] <bdha> holoway: It's probably crazy. SmartOS builds don't map to Oracle.
[19:10:55] <bdha> (oi_148 is basically snv_148 with some backports from oi_151, aiui)
[19:11:09] <bdha> (snv is "Nevada", the Oracle code tree)
[19:11:45] <bdha> holoway: Basically the full stack installer needs to be built in a few places. :\
[19:11:58] <RoyK> bdha: 148 has backports of very little from 151, only some fixes - oi_151 will be released soon (some year) though
[19:12:19] <bdha> holoway: If you can define a common build, that would make it easier.
[19:12:42] <bdha> At _some_ point, though, they broke some core lib (richlowe may remember details), so. It's fun.
[19:13:12] <bdha> holoway: If you want to throw that on my plate, I can help. I have access to all the pieces you probably care about.
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[19:16:58] <holoway> bdha: benr was awesome enough to hook us up with a couple of smartmachines
[19:17:15] <holoway> bdha: I have the oi-148 builds ready to just get built with all the rest
[19:17:27] <bdha> holoway: Word. :)
[19:17:34] <bdha> holoway: Are you building for s11x as well?
[19:17:40] <bdha> Or just SmartOS/OI?
[19:17:51] <holoway> bdha: we're not doing s11x
[19:17:58] <holoway> bdha: although not for any philosophical reason
[19:18:08] <holoway> it feels like we really need to break the solaris family up
[19:18:24] <bdha> Three years ago this would have been easier, sadly.
[19:18:29] <bdha> One build to rule them all.
[19:18:38] <holoway> for example, platform "openindiana" would make different choices about things like default package manager
[19:18:49] <bdha> holoway: Really there's only three: Joyent, OpenIndiana, Solaris 11.
[19:19:00] <holoway> and if the core stdlib changes between oi-148 and oi-151, that's the platform version that matters
[19:19:02] <bdha> OI and S11 will have the same build reqs and process, essentially.
[19:19:12] <holoway> bdha: that was what I was expecting
[19:19:36] <holoway> the smartos build almost completes, but I get a random segfault on ruby 1.9.2-p180 loading libcrypto
[19:19:43] <bdha> Nice.
[19:19:53] <bdha> Sounds familiar.
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[19:41:56] <brandini> has anyone tried to make google go work on openindiana?
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[19:48:21] <sriram_belenix> Hello everyone.
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[19:49:10] <sriram_belenix> Could someone please point me to an rsync copy of oi-dev-148-x86, please ?
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[21:04:08] <needle_> Hi. After installing and hitting the reboot sequence, is it normal for it to take a while after loading service descriptors. I'm talking 5+ minutes?
[21:06:01] <brandini> yup
[21:06:13] <tomww> the very first reboot does a real big number of manifest imports
[21:06:53] <needle_> OK thanks.
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[21:14:08] <needle_> Hmm it's just sitting there. I don't see any HD LED activity or nothing.
[21:16:02] <tomww> on the console you see the SMF service importing stuff.
[21:16:27] <tomww> but if you don't then something else may have happend (or, nothing happens at all).
[21:17:09] <tomww> if you like retrying, then boot witht he switch "-v" to see the kernel doning stuff, e.g. loading modules and then in case of a freeze, you get an idea what worked last.
[21:18:01] <tomww> in grub, $kernel line, add " -v " after the word "unix", and remove all splash screen stuff as well
[21:18:50] <brandini> needle_: did you disable gdm or anything?
[21:19:04] <brandini> hit the space bar and see if it does something :)
[21:19:12] <needle_> No... I'm using the text installer. I had this issue last night and just rebooted it, and it seemed to work fine.
[21:19:21] <needle_> Though I ran into issues later on. That's why I reinstalled.
[21:20:08] <needle_> I'll reboot it. I don't think it would take this long in any case.
[21:20:30] <needle_> The issue I previously had I think had something to do w/ not having all the fans in the machine. I've got them all in now.
[21:20:40] <needle_> Sorry someone is at the door.
[21:20:57] <brandini> that's just me
[21:21:21] <needle_> No, the keyboard numlock button will not even come on.
[21:22:25] <needle_> Wait, am I supposed to leave the cd in for that procedure?
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[21:24:38] <needle_> Well, it's comming up.
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[21:29:48] <needle__> There, I am on IRC from it =] I don't know if it has been damaged somehow though by rebooting it.
[21:30:04] <needle__> Anyone know if the install cd is suppost to be inserted when it is updating manifests?
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[21:47:17] <needle_> Hmmm I don't get this. The kernel is at constant 20% cpu usage and commands take like 10 seconds to respond. I think the HD is bad.
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[21:57:08] <tsoome> dmesg?
[22:01:46] <needle_> Too late. I'm installing to a new HD.
[22:01:55] * needle_ will see how that goes. I'll check dmesg this time =]
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[22:04:46] <needle_> I was trying to install to an older disk, because I want to make a new rpool that has the two new disks striping. The hardware raid controller won't do raid 0.
[22:04:54] <needle_> And then put the main zone on that rpool.
[22:05:23] <needle_> I don't think an additional disk can be added to the main rpool? I could be mistaken....
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[22:21:53] <needle_> That is true, that I can't add another disk to the root rpool, no?
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[22:27:14] <needle_> I wonder why the kernel is so busy. It is stuck at 20% usage.
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[23:36:12] <spanglywires> Meths: you about?
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