July 24, 2011 
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b151?[02:55:05] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[03:01:06] *** h____ has quit IRC[03:04:14] *** dkeav has quit IRC[03:04:19] *** paularmstrong has joined #openindiana[03:10:27] *** tsukasa has quit IRC[03:11:55] *** dkeav has joined #openindiana[03:15:54] *** ivwang has joined #openindiana[03:16:09] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:17:41] <brandini> anyone got golang working in Oi?[03:18:06] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[03:21:31] *** ivwang has quit IRC[03:22:33] *** jaimef_ is now known as jaimef[03:22:56] *** LizardKing has quit IRC[03:23:16] *** tsukasa has joined #openindiana[03:32:10] <richlowe> brandini: There were reports of people having solaris patches, a year or so ago.[03:32:17] <richlowe> but I haven't been able to find the patches.[03:32:37] <richlowe> implementation is not trivial.[03:32:49] <richlowe> at least, you need to understand some fairly low level stuff.[03:43:35] *** LizardKing has joined #openindiana[03:47:04] *** DrLou has quit IRC[04:08:23] <brandini> richlowe: I just need openbsd security with Oi performance and zones and zfs with linux support for things like flash, go, etc[04:09:31] <richlowe> start by launching your text editor, the rest will follow (slowly).[04:13:11] <brandini> I wonder if we can take a fine tooth comb to Oi from a security standpoint like openbsd has[04:17:18] <brandini> richlowe: so did g'oracle turn off all access to source code?[04:18:48] <richlowe> to ON (the base OS) source code, if you're not a "partner", yes.[04:19:01] <brandini> are we a partner?[04:19:01] <richlowe> where "partner" would be intel, possibly LSI, people like that.[04:19:03] <richlowe> Hell no[04:19:08] <brandini> hrmmm[04:19:13] <brandini> so we're really forking now[04:19:21] <richlowe> have been for a year, for the basic OS[04:19:58] <brandini> I wish it was easier to build the system (kernel, userland, X11) and packages[04:20:53] *** Triskelio- has joined #openindiana[04:22:44] <bdha> brandini: Sounds like an itch you can scratch.[04:22:45] <bdha> Have fun.[04:22:49] <brandini> I think so[04:23:08] <brandini> I'm installing the desktop, usb image on my laptop now[04:23:15] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[04:24:16] <brandini> sounds easier than making openbsd not have biglock on[04:24:23] <brandini> which has been my other itch[04:24:49] <jaimef> openbsd security is just turning everything off by default :P[04:24:55] <brandini> that's not true[04:24:59] <brandini> that's what I like about it[04:25:07] <brandini> you can still run things and they are secure[04:25:14] <jaimef> try this as a user "tcpdump -r /dev/null" "requires root permission"[04:25:24] <jaimef> brandini: like wireshark?[04:25:36] <brandini> oh, that was a theo rant[04:25:37] <jaimef> brandini: the OS can't protect you from bad software.[04:25:55] <brandini> I'm talking DNS, web, pf, SSL, etc[04:25:57] <jaimef> brandini: scripting language like today are a good example.[04:26:37] <jaimef> well netbsd has zfs + pf + most openbsd features and many more like verified exec, kauth etc[04:26:49] <brandini> I like having "good" crypto at my fingertips[04:27:01] <jaimef> like openssl? :P[04:27:11] <brandini> no no[04:27:18] <brandini> that's not what I mean[04:27:30] <jaimef> fbi backdoors[04:27:44] <brandini> the OS uses randomly seeded values frequently[04:27:52] <brandini> there were no fbi backdoors[04:27:58] <brandini> quit spreading FUD[04:28:04] <jaimef> not, theo said it[04:28:39] *** smrt has quit IRC[04:28:39] <brandini> he said to go ahead and look[04:28:42] <brandini> they found nothing[04:29:13] <jaimef> you might actually want to reread the logs that showed several things plugged over the last 10 years[04:29:42] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[04:29:44] <jaimef> why not use openbsd?[04:30:00] <brandini> the only big reason is that it's too slow :([04:30:02] <jaimef> if you like it use it. I mean ufs(2) and qemu is all you need[04:30:19] <jaimef> perhaps look at NetBSD? a club so exlusive they kicked Theo out :P[04:30:26] <brandini> lol[04:30:40] <jaimef> most cool features of OpenBSD are copied[04:30:51] <jaimef> and it's pretty performant.[04:31:22] <brandini> it's ?[04:31:29] <jaimef> it is[04:31:55] <brandini> openbsd?[04:33:55] <jaimef> no, netbsd[04:34:19] <jaimef> OpenBSD is fun too[04:34:59] <jaimef> given how much code is stolen from each other they tend to copy the better features. except netbsd has journaling, so no fsck, true kernel support and zfs[04:35:34] <brandini> by true kernel support do you mean threads and locking?[04:35:56] <jaimef> threads yes. they have a giant lock still over device drivers and network stack only[04:36:10] <brandini> interrupts are hard![04:36:11] <brandini> :)[04:36:22] <jaimef> ever look at http://freshbsd.org?[04:36:28] <brandini> yeah[04:36:29] <jaimef> good place to really see where all the commits go[04:38:58] <jaimef> lookup kauth, veriexec and all the other security enhancements including more choices of encryption ciphers for local disk encryption thatn open[04:39:52] <jaimef> I mean qnx took their network stack, sony psp runs it, ps3, airport[04:39:54] *** laserbled has quit IRC[04:52:07] *** Bdragon has joined #openindiana[04:54:20] *** papertigers has joined #openindiana[05:22:26] *** yourself has joined #openindiana[05:25:00] *** yourself has quit IRC[05:25:21] *** yourself has joined #openindiana[05:27:40] *** yourself has quit IRC[05:28:02] *** yourself22 has joined #openindiana[05:36:46] *** ivwang has joined #openindiana[06:05:29] *** laserbled has joined #openindiana[06:10:11] *** mnaser has quit IRC[06:33:33] *** redgone has quit IRC[06:40:03] *** laserbled has quit IRC[07:08:18] *** yourself22 has quit IRC[07:12:18] *** Infin1ty has quit IRC[07:18:52] <brandini> I cannot get the md5 to match on the usb dd image?[07:31:43] *** laserbled has joined #openindiana[07:34:10] *** ShadowHntr 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