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[00:02:22] <DontKnwMuch> is this a known problem with the power management of the cpu?
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[00:08:51] <DontKnwMuch> Does anyone else have problems when cpu power saving is enabled in bios?
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[00:11:16] <DontKnwMuch> and what does /opt/DTT/hotkernel do, that it can cause such an repetitive hang of a sistem....
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[00:21:11] <DontKnwMuch> ping timeouts? interesting
[00:25:27] <Alasdairrr> anyone done an image-update after my announcement?
[00:25:28] <Alasdairrr> :-)
[00:26:06] <tomww> those who did aren't online anymore
[00:26:10] <tomww> *joking*
[00:26:12] <tomww> :)
[00:27:20] <Alasdairrr> lol
[00:27:21] <Alasdairrr> :P
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[00:29:03] <bdrewery> I probably will try tonight, from 134
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[00:35:58] <DontKnwMuch> :)
[00:36:38] <DontKnwMuch> I seem to be lucky, let me try image-update ;)
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[00:38:40] <DontKnwMuch> anyone else running sandy bridge xeon ?
[00:39:50] <DontKnwMuch> could it be that vt-d enabled (why it was is beyond me) in bios could cause problems with power management?
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[00:42:37] <Alasdairrr> DontKnwMuch: does disabling vt-d fix some power management stuff for you?
[00:42:43] <Alasdairrr> my sandy bridge pc at work crashes every night
[00:42:51] <Alasdairrr> so i've gotten into the habit of shutting it down when i ghome
[00:42:52] <Alasdairrr> *go home
[00:42:55] <tomww> the default power adjustment is very much server like, so always ready so serve.
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[00:43:24] <dkeav> Alasdairrr: he is working through diagnosing similar behavior
[00:43:25] <tomww> it's been a while figuring out how to "force" the saving to be effective
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[00:43:43] <dkeav> DontKnwMuch: since you disabled all those features has the load increased past idle?
[00:43:49] <Alasdairrr> i think i would want to do the opposite - stop the power saving locking up my machine
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[00:45:40] <DontKnwMuch> Alasdairrr: I disabled vt-d and all cpu power saving in bios, and it did fix the cpu usage
[00:46:07] <DontKnwMuch> Now I have hard time to experiment some more, as there are some 10 vm running from its nfs shares...
[00:46:52] <DontKnwMuch> dkeav: no, load is way more idle now...it is not increasing anymore
[00:47:01] <Alasdairrr> i didn't have a load issue
[00:47:14] <Alasdairrr> only a crashing issue
[00:47:35] <tomww> good night all
[00:48:35] <Alasdairrr> night tomww
[00:48:40] <Alasdairrr> night all
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[00:48:43] <DontKnwMuch> I hope I fixed the crashing issue with disabling it in bios, for now looks way better
[00:48:47] <DontKnwMuch> night
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[02:30:59] <bdrewery> The pkg repo for 148 is pkg.openindiana.org/dev right?
[02:31:11] <bdrewery> upgrading my 134 opensolaris server
[02:31:59] <Triskelios> see the upgrading instructions in full
[02:33:52] <bdrewery> yeah it's up to date, so nm, thought it might be outdated
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[04:24:29] <bdrewery> network/physical won't come up, is this a known issue? It seems that the driver loaded fine
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[05:13:21] <jaimef> so I added a second video card to test dual displays but can't find the X -configure equivalent
[05:13:34] <richlowe> precisely that.
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[05:14:53] <jaimef> ahh usage() threw me
[05:15:35] <Triskelios> jaimef: basically duplicate the existing sections, enable Xinerama
[05:15:40] <Triskelios> (or not)
[05:16:02] <jaimef> not sure it likes this card I yanked out of a sunblade
[05:16:55] <blues> what do i need to do to enable jumbo frames on oi?
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[05:22:57] <richlowe> jaimef: what did you put the card into?
[05:23:00] <richlowe> and what was the card.
[05:27:16] * alanc hopes for "into a recycle bin"
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[05:32:39] <alanc> certainly putting their drivers in the recycle bin seemed to have improved them - hardly get any bug reports on them now
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[05:34:27] <alanc> but really, if it's an x86, then no, it should not like any card from a SPARC - OBP & BIOS are very different worlds the video card PROMs are programmed for
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[05:38:10] <blues> so i enabled xvnc on my OI box..and i can connect via vnc..but all i get is a black display
[05:39:20] <blues> is there some further configuration i need to do?
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[05:39:56] <alanc> if you just ran Xvnc by itself, then that's what you asked for - an X server with no clients
[05:40:14] <alanc> the vncserver script runs Xvnc with a normal desktop session
[05:40:42] <blues> i ran : svcadm enable xvnc-inetd
[05:42:41] <alanc> for that you normally need to:
[05:42:48] <alanc> Enable XDMCP connections in gdm by editing /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[05:42:49] <alanc> (GDM 2.30 & later) or /etc/X11/gdm/custom.conf (older GDM's) to
[05:42:49] <alanc> contain:
[05:42:49] <alanc> [xdmcp]
[05:42:49] <alanc> Enable=true
[05:42:56] <alanc> If it wasn't already there, then run "svcadm restart gdm" to activate.
[05:43:13] <alanc> so that gdm will offer up a login screen to it
[05:44:39] * alanc is glad to have hg to remember these things that I don't
[05:45:17] <blues> blues wishes he could have found that on his own
[05:45:35] <blues> and that he knew how to do that cool little 3rd person thing in irc
[05:46:20] <Triskelios> /me
[05:47:05] * blues is hoping this works
[05:47:09] <blues> yay
[05:48:15] <alanc> a version of that used to be in the Sun docs for xVM, since it used Xvnc, but xVM is now an ex-product so I think the docs may not have survived the move from docs.sun.com to download.oracle.com
[05:48:47] <blues> ahh..its working. Thank you very much alanc
[05:49:23] <blues> ...sigh..ok i thought it was wroking.. i got a graphical log in screen... logged in..and now have white screen
[05:49:36] <richlowe> alanc: wiki, man
[05:49:50] <richlowe> (I only recently got sick of memory-via-grep-of-irc-log)
[05:50:01] <alanc> oh, that will happen if it tries to run compiz instead of metacity
[05:50:32] <blues> ?
[05:51:18] <alanc> there was a bug in the script to decide whether to run compiz or metacity that chose compiz if your systems graphics card could handle it, even if you weren't displaying on it
[05:51:34] <alanc> compiz can't work with Xvnc - no GL acceleration
[05:52:16] <alanc> the workarounds as I remember were either pkg uninstall compiz or set some gconf setting to force metacity
[05:53:41] <alanc> probably fixed post-151 in jds/gnome spec-files
[05:54:11] <blues> did pkg uninstall of compiz and it was fixed
[05:56:51] <blues> ...and i can't alter mtu from the network gui
[05:57:05] * blues reeks of epic fail
[05:58:50] <richlowe> no, that'd be the network gui
[05:59:45] <richlowe> you might be able to set it with dladm set-linkprop
[05:59:47] <richlowe> you may not.
[05:59:52] <richlowe> it's untidy
[06:00:32] <blues> untidy is a good description
[06:01:14] <richlowe> alanc: are there drivers where you have to set driver.conf _and then_ set-linkprop?
[06:01:17] * richlowe had thought there were
[06:01:31] <alanc> no idea
[06:02:01] <richlowe> and bge(7D) just outright lies
[06:02:06] <richlowe> and claims default_mtu is a dladm property
[06:02:16] <richlowe> I'm assuming if you had a bge, set-linkprop of mtu would work
[06:02:28] <richlowe> nge doesn't seem to want me to poke it, so I can't tell.
[06:02:42] <richlowe> alanc: You know all the _other_ answers about someone elses OS!
[06:02:53] <richlowe> alanc: I figured as long as I avoid questions about Oracle X, you're ... wait, all knowing.
[06:02:57] <richlowe> suddenly it makes sense
[06:03:11] <richlowe> alanc: I keep meaning to call your tech support folks and ask if you halt.
[06:04:17] <blues> dladm set-linkprop -p mtu=<new_allowable_mtu> <interface>
[06:04:18] <alanc> and here you thought the Oracle in my .sig was my employer, not my job title
[06:04:20] <blues> that wha ti want?
[06:05:54] <richlowe> blues: If it works, yes.
[06:06:10] <richlowe> blues: dladm show-linkprop -p mtu <link> should list the rang of available values
[06:06:13] <richlowe> but I could swear it's lying about mine
[06:06:14] <richlowe> so ...
[06:08:23] <richlowe> thus far, bge0 is the only if I've found that wants to be poked like that, in fact.
[06:08:27] <richlowe> what a complete custerfuck
[06:11:22] <blues> hmm its reporting thi EXPI9402PT has a max of 4096
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[06:34:12] <blues> this is interesting....so i'm using nwam... when i try to set the mtu property through that for one of these nics, mtu isn't a valid property
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[08:05:52] <philhar> Hi, I'm creating a server with 216 drives across multiple SAS expander chassis. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to manage this number of drives in terms of naming then and knowing where they are physically?
[08:11:21] <POloser> philhar, just intresting. what hardware you using?
[08:12:42] <philhar> supermicro chassis
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[08:13:08] <philhar> LSI hbas
[08:13:11] <POloser> philhar, 847?
[08:13:16] <philhar> Q34 AMD
[08:14:00] <philhar> yep 36 bay + 4x 45 bay
[08:15:39] <POloser> impressive build
[08:15:51] <philhar> well yes its for a research project
[08:15:54] <philhar> but the problem is
[08:16:04] <philhar> I don't know how to identify all those drives physically
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[08:32:17] <spanglywires> seems like theres a need for a community written hdtool for such purposes
[08:35:15] <philhar> interesting thanks for the info
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[08:39:48] <tsoome> like /usr/lib/fm/fmd/fmtopo ?
[08:40:57] <philhar> in a nutshel what is that tsoome?
[08:41:08] <tsoome> man google
[08:41:17] <tsoome> :P
[08:41:42] <philhar> haha tried that already
[08:41:52] <philhar> mainly FM raido top10 results
[08:42:59] <tsoome> ?
[08:43:16] <tsoome> i don't know what you did google for:P
[08:43:29] <philhar> perfect thanks
[08:44:22] <tsoome> 4 first hits for fmtopo are not about fm radios:P
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[09:28:08] <richlowe> if someone "community" were to clone anything for this purpose, clone diskinfo
[09:28:10] <richlowe> or whatever it is
[09:28:30] <richlowe> but yeah, the fm topology could know, it could just know much more coolerer.
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[10:12:43] <sivanov> anybody knows what kind of power jacks it uses?
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[11:11:27] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: ping
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[11:11:35] <tsoome> pong
[11:13:12] <nettezzaumana> /usr/lib/libc/libc_hwcap1.so.1 /lib/libc.so.1 lofs dev=7c0000 1310824574
[11:13:32] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: i resolved that issue about broken libc.so.1 and its changes after reboot
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[11:13:41] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: ^^ it's x86|ufs specific
[11:13:57] <nettezzaumana> this is why i got it changed after every boot up
[11:14:40] <tsoome> actually its not specific;) and yea i overlooked that as well;)
[11:16:04] <tsoome> the actual libc you use depends on hardware you got;)
[11:17:01] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: anyway, i don't have much experience with x86 and at least this wasn't been told here so i just resolved it today
[11:20:52] <tsoome> altho the locations are different; on SF490 its /platform/sun4u-us3/lib/libc_psr.so.1
[11:21:20] <nettezzaumana> sure that .. resolved, i've learned up something more
[11:22:11] <tsoome> i think i did look on it on 490 and forgot the x86 can differ - just remembered now I have had this kind of fight in one x86 as well :D
[11:22:45] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: but also my bad ... don't forget that i pasted mnttab several times .. i just mislooked that's lofi mount
[11:23:04] <tsoome> ;)
[11:23:56] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: but anyway, this has happened on 4/6 UFS hosts after hard-reset
[11:24:12] <nettezzaumana> all zfs hosts survived with no harm
[11:24:17] <tsoome> time to move on;)
[11:25:33] <nettezzaumana> sure that but you know ;) .. if you're responsible for so many hosts and you have always things in your TODO list it's hard to find there an opportunity to do things which you don not explicitely need
[11:27:47] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: i have really many things to do so although i have there a skeletons like u5 on UFS they just don't make me nervous until somethings with them goes wrong
[11:28:02] <nettezzaumana> **something
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[11:59:39] <_delirium> I have a machine whoose root 9
[12:00:47] <_delirium> i have a machine whoose boot disk has failed, it was the root zfs pool, also attached was another zfs pool (thevalult) - i have just booted the live cd, is there a way i can attach the thevault zfs pool so i can access some of the files and copy them to a usb stick
[12:01:35] <tsoome> man zpool
[12:03:57] <_delirium> so i can do an import, even though the disks were not exported?
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[12:10:50] <_delirium> tsoome: when i try an import i get the message - pool may be in use from other system, it was last accessed by mnemosyne (hostid: xxxx) on Tue JUl 19 - use -f to import anyway.
[12:10:55] <_delirium> tsoome: should I use -f?
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[12:27:21] <tsoome> if you are sure the pool is not in use, yes, use -f
[12:28:11] <tsoome> this message is normal in case of such crash situations, if you are doing migration, always export pool before moving disks.
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[12:36:43] <h____> whats the easiest way to get ntfs-3g working for a usb drive?
[12:36:55] <h____> runninv SunOS exa 5.11 oi_148 i86pc i386 i86pc Solaris
[12:39:19] <sickness> I would like to know this too =)
[12:44:32] <tomww> h____: SFEntfs-3g
[12:44:46] <tomww> could be available in one of the experimental repositories
[12:45:19] <tomww> it is available for sure if you use the SFE spec files to compile it yourself (it's easy)
[12:46:29] <h____> got a link?
[12:46:47] <h____> how do I figure out what /dev/dsk my usb disk is
[12:46:51] <h____> it's far from clear looking at dmesg
[12:48:53] <nettezzaumana> h____: echo|format
[12:48:56] <nettezzaumana> for example
[12:49:38] <h____> what?
[12:50:05] <h____> oh ok
[12:50:12] <nettezzaumana> h____: `echo | format'
[12:50:21] <h____> need pkg-config to compile ntfs-3g
[12:51:25] <h____> ok found it
[12:51:52] <nettezzaumana> h____: you need at first some better nick and at second you'd better have some responsible adult besides you
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[12:54:01] <h____> hm, I've installed some old SUNWfusefs package from 2009 which ntfs-3g-2011.1.15 wont compile with
[12:57:54] <h____> am I missing something, or is there no search on that site
[12:58:36] <nettezzaumana> h____: did you bloody bother with pkg search son ?
[12:59:10] <nettezzaumana> smrt: explain ntfs
[12:59:10]
<smrt> Read/write is supported via FUSE and NTFS-3G. FUSE is still beta, but http://forums.opensolaris.com/thread.jspa?threadID=513 has an example for installing NTFS-3G. SFEntfs-3g is also available in SFE. You will need to install SUNWfusefs/SUNWlibfuse first, regardless. (See also: spec-files-extra) , fuse
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[13:29:11] <h____> smrt: explain fuse
[13:29:21] <h____> smrt: explain spec-files-extra
[13:29:21]
<smrt> ⌂ A collection of popular software which is not in OpenSolaris. The SFE project ports software using RPM-style spec files. See also: bootstrap-sfe-latest-, pkgbuild. http://wong.to/sfewiki for more info, including installation instructions.
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[13:42:14] <h____> so, still looking for suggestions where / how to install fuse from
[13:45:25] <tomww> use the pacakge provided by the distro...
[13:45:39] <tomww> pkg search -r SUNWfuse; pkg search -r SUNWlibfuse"*"
[13:46:59] <tomww> well, I'm serching for the right search pattern myself
[13:53:05] <h____> its not there
[13:53:07] <tomww> looks like there is no SUNWfusefs / SUNWlibfuse at all (the old names for the packages)
[13:53:30] <tomww> should be worth a BUG/CR to have this added really soon
[13:53:59] <h____> i'm trying the package from sunfreepacks
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[13:54:34] <tomww> but this should be *no* problem today, you just follow the SFE path, there is SFElibfuse and SFEfusefs
[13:55:52] <tomww> h____: which OS version are you running right nwo?
[13:55:54] <tomww> now?
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[14:08:34] <h____> so out of the 15 entries under /dev/dsk/c9t0d0* which one is likely to be my ntfs partition
[14:10:44] <h____> ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/dsk/c9t0d0p1 /home/hubert/120gb/
[14:10:47] <h____> worked
[14:14:13] <lblume> Partition would be a p anyway, not an s.
[14:15:55] <lennard> gpt partitions are called s, I think
[14:18:45] <lblume> Well, s are slices on fdisk partitions. I seem to remember that they can appear as s on EFI, but that has little use in Solaris AFAICT.
[14:19:28] <h____> hmm great, so after a lot of messing around getting a working fuse and ntfs-3g installed
[14:19:42] <h____> it turns out writing is so slow it's useless to copy this 30gb bluray
[14:20:13] <lblume> You are using OI to copy a BD to NTFS?
[14:20:18] <h____> yup
[14:20:22] <lblume> Weird.
[14:20:27] <lblume> Why not do it on Windows.
[14:20:28] <lblume> ?
[14:20:42] <h____> because my OI box is my fileserver, and it stores the BD image
[14:20:50] <lennard> my workstation has OI on a gpt partition :)
[14:20:52] <h____> I was hoping to make iti go faster by using the usb ports on the OI box itself
[14:20:55] <h____> rather than copying via nfs
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[14:21:32] <h____> but unfortunately it's only getting a few mb/sec copying via fuse/ntfs-3g it seems
[14:21:43] <lblume> No, Solaris sucks on USB transfers. It won't beat Gb ethernet.
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[14:21:53] <h____> yeah, finding that out now
[14:23:12] <h____> also this ntfs-3g seems a bit unreliable
[14:23:20] <h____> it won't rm -rf some files its just copied
[14:25:41] <h____> hmm, so my windows 7 vm running on my mac, which is mounting my OI box via SMB
[14:25:57] <h____> is only getting about 10 MB/second copying to this usb disk
[14:25:59] <h____> not great either
[14:31:55] <anikin> one of my users upgrade macosx to Lion, now he cant access smb share on OI server.
[14:32:10] <anikin> anyone knows why? or how to fix it? )
[14:32:31] <docsteel> This is a known Bug
[14:32:47] <docsteel> No Ideas for a fix atm
[14:32:59] <docsteel> Waiting for a Fix from Apple :)
[14:33:05] <anikin> yes )
[14:33:25] <nettezzaumana> docsteel: proove please by link to bugreport
[14:33:30] <nettezzaumana> **prove
[14:34:03] <docsteel> nettezzaumana: sry, only gsm phone here atm with mini-irc shell, will have a look when i am back in my office
[14:36:05] <nettezzaumana> docsteel: no prob :)
[14:38:51] <h____> apple have switched from samba to their own smb implementation
[14:38:58] <h____> probably something to do with it
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[14:44:32] <h____> what was that tool to check your ethernet status again
[14:44:46] <h____> something like miitool on linux
[14:47:10] <nettezzaumana> ndd|dladm
[14:47:33] * nettezzaumana meant with "|" OR
[14:48:44] <h____> dladm show-phys, that was it
[14:49:15] <h____> vsftpd should outperform nfs or smb
[14:49:20] <h____> for file copying speed, I would think?
[14:49:26] <h____> to a windows or mac client
[14:49:44] <h____> I'd imagine nothing would ever beat ftp because it's just a plain tcp socket with the least overhead
[14:49:54] <nettezzaumana> h____: no, nfs should be the fastest
[14:50:00] <h____> why
[14:50:24] <nettezzaumana> what an awkward question
[14:50:44] <h____> well, I've outlined why I think ftp would be the fastest, so why do you think nfs would be faster than that
[14:50:55] <taemun> ftp?
[14:50:58] <taemun> what is this, 1980?
[14:51:02] <h____> I'm not too familiar with the nfs protocol at a low level but I imagine it adds more overhead than just sending the plain data down a tcp socket
[14:51:08] <nettezzaumana> taemun: yeah ...
[14:51:33] <taemun> ftp's control connection is terrible for data sharing like this
[14:51:56] <h____> i'm transferring a 30gb bluray image which is a few files of a few GB each
[14:52:09] <h____> so the inefficient control channel for starting transfers shouldnt matter too much
[14:52:14] <h____> the actual file transfer is just pure tcp
[14:52:20] <h____> with no blocks or protocol overhead
[14:52:21] <taemun> and how well optimised is vsftpd code?
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[14:52:37] <h____> pretty well I would imagine as it runs major ftp repos
[14:53:13] <taemun> ime, it's usually significantly faster to s/f/ht/ any ftp url
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[15:05:23] <Infin1ty|work> openindiana loads auto with gdm, can i specify init level without X? init 3 on boot command?
[15:05:53] <taemun> svcadm disable gdm?
[15:06:05] <taemun> not exactly what you asked for, but will work
[15:06:48] <Infin1ty|work> i can't run the terminal , i have no remote control over the gui
[15:07:08] <Infin1ty|work> taemun, i can edit the grub line , in linux i could just tell it to go into init 3 instead of 5 (x)
[15:07:17] <taemun> I don't know then, sorry
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[15:18:27] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: isn't -m milestone=multi-user-server doing so ?
[15:18:43] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, did not try :)
[15:18:55] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: or at least you should boot to single and then disable whatever you want
[15:19:57] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: if i understood properly you have access to /dev/console but due to the that there X stars you have no way then to issue commands .. right ?
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[15:20:27] <nettezzaumana> cuz cosole is taken by login:graphical or what's the name of that
[15:20:39] <nettezzaumana> cde-login:default iirc
[15:20:57] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, yes
[15:21:06] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, and even ctrl+alt+f1 won't help
[15:21:08] <Infin1ty|work> it respawns
[15:21:17] <nettezzaumana> of course it won't help :P
[15:22:34] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: but it's easy to resolve ;) .. do what i've said
[15:23:20] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, svcadm disable gdm works now :)
[15:23:22] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, thanks!
[15:25:31] <nettezzaumana> no prob, of course it works, i thought that you don't have access to tty
[15:25:52] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: JFMY, did you use -m milestone=$foo ?
[15:25:57] <nettezzaumana> **JFMI
[15:26:30] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, hmm , i use -m milestone=multi-user-server :)
[15:26:53] <nettezzaumana> Infin1ty|work: and it lets you access /dev/console without X, right ?
[15:28:20] <Infin1ty|work> nettezzaumana, yes , it goes into maint mode, asks for user/pass
[15:28:47] <Triskelios> I think milestone/multi-user-server includes gdm normally
[15:29:11] <nettezzaumana> superb, glad to prove that my memory still works (so-so at least)
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[15:31:05] <nettezzaumana> Triskelios: not sure how about in oi but in solaris it works that it boots without cde-login:default
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[15:32:11] <Triskelios> interesting. you can check the dependencies there
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[15:32:59] <Triskelios> in OI both multi-user-server and gdm depend on multi-user
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[16:50:23] <RoyK> hm.. anyone that remembers how I can install gnome etc after installing a server?
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[16:58:51] <nettezzaumana> RoyK: it was .... mmmmmmmmmmmttt .. oh my bad memory
[17:00:53] <Micr0mega> RoyK: I think there is a meta package for that, called 'slim_install', right?
[17:01:14] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: yes ^^^^ this what i'm trying to dig out of my brain
[17:01:52] <Micr0mega> nettezzaumana: hehe, it is good to have some external memory sometimes ;-)
[17:01:56] <nettezzaumana> but anyway, don't you know that the gnome is intended for idiots ?
[17:02:06] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: :P sure that
[17:02:14] <viridari> I thought gnome was designed by idiots?
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[17:02:30] <nettezzaumana> viridari: designed|intended .. same
[17:02:36] <Triskelios> viridari: then who designed Unity? :P
[17:02:42] <viridari> Gnome: By idiots, for idiots.
[17:02:50] <nettezzaumana> idiots for bigger idiots
[17:02:56] <RoyK> Micr0mega: thanks
[17:02:56] <nettezzaumana> :D
[17:02:59] <viridari> Triskelios: the people who could't get their patches accepted into Gnome?
[17:03:07] <Micr0mega> hehe. I actually tries to remove slim_install after I installed from live image, but unfortunately that didn't work :p
[17:03:27] <RoyK> slim_install is quite an oxymoron
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[17:03:42] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: i think that there are still categories
[17:03:47] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: -Y
[17:04:38] <Micr0mega> nettezzaumana: hmm how do you mean? I'm still a newbie ;)
[17:05:13] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: i'm stuck at the late 90's but `pkgrm -Y gnome' or something like should do so :P
[17:05:20] * nettezzaumana hides
[17:05:47] <tsoome> noam sacrifice?
[17:05:51] <Micr0mega> nettezzaumana: hah okay, but that doesn't uninstall X and all desktop applications that come with slim_install
[17:06:07] <tsoome> why do you wanna do that?
[17:06:13] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: then remove X11 or what that category is
[17:06:22] <nettezzaumana> **also Micr0mega
[17:06:48] <nettezzaumana> tsoome: break to have something to fix ?
[17:07:14] <Micr0mega> tsoome: long story, but I needed to isntall from the live image, but I actually wanted a text install
[17:07:20] <tsoome> if you really do know what you are doing and don't need those few extra bits, just use server image for install, and not live cd.
[17:07:22] <Micr0mega> *install
[17:08:26] <Micr0mega> short version: I wanted to run a script simultaneous with the installer, to enable rpool compression and remove the swap, because it would overflow my usb thumb drive
[17:09:08] <Micr0mega> could not find a way to do that in the text install, so I had to use the live one
[17:09:23] <tsoome> living on the edge, i see… .P
[17:09:48] <nettezzaumana> oh it's booooorrrriiiinnnggg ..... even trolling in #ubuntu or #debian is not satisfatory ... you could call them retards but they have absolutely no care .. they are babbling round'n'round about network manager and flash-plugin
[17:10:04] <Micr0mega> or you could say I do not know what I am doing :-P as I said, still a newbie, first solaris machine :)
[17:10:20] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: are you ubuntist ?
[17:10:37] <Micr0mega> nettezzaumana: noooooo ... I came from Debian :P
[17:10:53] <Micr0mega> but just hobby, nothing professional
[17:10:59] <tsoome> well, in such case, do yourself an favor, buy real hdd and get some introduction to os first:D
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[17:11:17] <Micr0mega> only home server
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[17:11:45] <tsoome> sure thing
[17:12:08] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: then because of you're on the right way i show a mercy to you and won't molest you for your prior debian experience .. are you happy ?
[17:12:11] <nettezzaumana> :P
[17:12:34] * nettezzaumana still in shelter
[17:12:44] <Micr0mega> tsoome: well I could do that, but I thought it'd be a challenge :P and, it uses less power
[17:13:13] <Micr0mega> nettezzaumana: hah thanks! and it's in your own interest, you'd lose a tiny bit of external memory if you did :p
[17:13:13] <tsoome> there are enough challenges without making few extra;)
[17:13:35] <tsoome> and, usb stick will die faster;)
[17:13:59] <tsoome> not sure whats worse, the power bill, or buying news sticks;)
[17:14:04] <tsoome> new*
[17:14:05] <Micr0mega> true, which actually brings me to a question I wanted to ask here. but you will probably laugh now :P
[17:14:13] <tsoome> shoot;)
[17:14:15] <nettezzaumana> Micr0mega: you're welcome ...:)
[17:14:38] <Micr0mega> tsoome: yeah might be worth the consideration, will have to think about that (later)
[17:14:49] <Micr0mega> can I move /var to a different pool?
[17:15:02] * nettezzaumana thinks about molesting tsoome :P
[17:15:10] <tsoome> not really, no
[17:15:11] <tsoome> but
[17:15:13] <nettezzaumana> :D
[17:15:20] <Micr0mega> so there will be less wear on the sticks
[17:15:29] <tsoome> you can mount bits into /var if its too small
[17:16:00] <tsoome> also, you can set pkg to flush its cache (check pkg properties, or use google)
[17:16:02] <nettezzaumana> oh blooody hell .. here rains continuously 3rd day
[17:16:20] <viridari> nettezzaumana: send it here, please.
[17:16:23] <RoyK> nettezzaumana: where is 'here'?
[17:16:41] <nettezzaumana> you can't booze up yourself and faint outside
[17:16:43] <tsoome> the thing is, /var is needed long before other pools are imported
[17:16:45] <Micr0mega> well this time it's not about the size. I want less writes on the flash device, like the logfiles\
[17:16:46] <viridari> here in Raleigh, it should hit 39C this afternoon
[17:16:51] <nettezzaumana> RoyK: czech republic
[17:16:56] <nettezzaumana> mid europe
[17:17:30] <viridari> it is also very humid so it may feel more like 46C
[17:17:53] <nettezzaumana> viridari: North Carolina ?
[17:18:00] <viridari> nettezzaumana: yes
[17:18:23] <Micr0mega> tsoome: I see. already tried moving it and setting the mountpoint of the zfs fs, but no luck. good thing I kept a backup ;)
[17:18:27] * RoyK is expecting 50-100mm precipitation in the next two days
[17:18:34] <viridari> nettezzaumana: more specifically, I can look out the window at my desk and see Red Hat's headquarters across the street
[17:18:52] <RoyK> nettezzaumana: probably the low pressure system moving north to here :P
[17:18:56] <nettezzaumana> hmmmm .. maybe it's a God's revange by your infamous polygamy mormons :P
[17:19:00] <nettezzaumana> viridari: ^^
[17:19:06] <tsoome> solaris really doesn't like your idea;)
[17:19:07] <viridari> nettezzaumana: we don't have those here
[17:19:15] <viridari> nettezzaumana: I think you have North Carolina confused with Utah
[17:19:18] <RoyK> nettezzaumana: btw, I once went to Czechoslovakia :)
[17:19:23] <nettezzaumana> :D
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[17:19:33] <viridari> "Czechoslovakia"? You date yourself, RoyK. ;)
[17:19:35] <Micr0mega> tsoome: hehe no, I always seem to want impossible things :D
[17:19:43] <RoyK> viridari: I was 17
[17:19:48] <nettezzaumana> RoyK: czechoslovakia disbanded to czech and slovakia at 1.1.1993
[17:19:51] <RoyK> yep
[17:20:02] <viridari> RoyK: it's two different countries now
[17:20:12] <RoyK> I'm quite aware of that, thank you :)
[17:20:34] <nettezzaumana> we're are the first and last peaceful disband in more then 500 yrs history in europe
[17:20:36] <viridari> it wasn't obvious based on your initial claim ;)
[17:20:50] * RoyK never went to the soviet union, though
[17:20:55] <tsoome> na, it wouldn't been issue with ufs based system, but ifs root does set some limits. and the beast is not really designed for such setups.
[17:21:23] <tsoome> RoyK: you didn't miss anything really;)
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[17:21:58] <RoyK> tsoome: actually, I think I missed something... history is somewhat important
[17:22:15] <tsoome> you can still get the idea
[17:22:23] <nettezzaumana> RoyK: rumours say that we and slovakia have the most beautiful girls worldwide :P
[17:22:30] <nettezzaumana> and i have to agree with that
[17:22:34] <RoyK> yeah, I went to Katowice back in 1991 - that was quite close
[17:22:46] <nettezzaumana> summer here is really torturous
[17:22:46] <Micr0mega> tsoome: would seem so. thing is, I have mirrored usb sticks now, but if I wanted to buy 'decent' disks, I only have 1 sata port left :(
[17:23:12] * lblume remembers when Checkpoint Charlie was a mythical place
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[17:23:32] <viridari> nettezzaumana: I am inclined to agree with those rumours
[17:23:36] <nettezzaumana> those all nasty chicks are rather naked then anything
[17:23:42] <viridari> nettezzaumana: though Ukraine has some gorgeous women, too
[17:23:48] <RoyK> Micr0mega: can't you just get a cheap sata controller?
[17:24:33] <lblume> nettezzaumana: I should check how much it costs to go visit there :-D
[17:24:33] * viridari wonders what ever came of those beauties from Kosice
[17:24:37] <nettezzaumana> viridari: what ? you're not serious .... russian (inc ukrainan) girls are either cute (but too slim) or just nasty
[17:24:42] <nettezzaumana> viridari: nothing between
[17:24:46] <viridari> Ukraine != Russia
[17:24:52] <nettezzaumana> i know
[17:24:58] <Micr0mega> RoyK: hmm yes I could. hmm decisions decisions =P
[17:25:10] <viridari> Milla Jovovich.
[17:25:24] <RoyK> Micr0mega: or get something like an LSI 9211
[17:25:43] <RoyK> a bit pricey, but still very good
[17:26:04] <viridari> my grandmother was from Ukraine so be careful ;) She was one of the classiest and most beautiful women of all time.
[17:26:31] <RoyK> if on old hardware, AOC-SAT-MV8 is brilliant
[17:26:42] <nettezzaumana> viridari: but she was too slim and don';t tell she was not :P
[17:26:46] <RoyK> not the fastest of boards, but very stable
[17:26:53] <viridari> nettezzaumana: she makes slim look good
[17:26:55] <Micr0mega> RoyK: nah it's an i5, it already cost too much :p
[17:26:59] <nettezzaumana> :D
[17:27:16] <nettezzaumana> okay kids .. leaving office .. adieu !! (until tomorrow)
[17:27:24] <RoyK> Micr0mega: AOC-SAT-MV8 is very stable, but sits in a PCI or PCI-X slot
[17:27:25] <Micr0mega> cya!
[17:27:37] <viridari> nettezzaumana: this is not the right time or place for it but you might appreciate my photography work. My favorite models are far from "too slim"
[17:27:52] <Micr0mega> RoyK: the board only has pci-e :)
[17:28:04] <RoyK> then get something else :P
[17:28:16] <lblume> LSI rocks.
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[17:28:24] <RoyK> just don't get anything like LSI 6801 or something else with LSI 1068 chipsets
[17:28:36] <RoyK> the mpt driver is closed source and the problems are numerous
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[17:28:54] <RoyK> especially under heavy load - the drives are kicked out rather too fast
[17:29:03] <lblume> Still works better than most sata stuff :-)
[17:29:32] <Micr0mega> RoyK: arrgghh! I knew I should have just built a server room with racks instead of a bedroom :P
[17:29:38] <RoyK> beleive me on that - I have six systems with those controllers, and they are NOT GOOD (or perhaps the driver is bad, but then, it 's closed source...)
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[17:30:14] <RoyK> actually, I have four systems with that controller now, the remaining two have LSI 9211s
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[17:30:25] <viridari> I keep resisting the temptation to buy an old Sunfire X4100 to run oi on at home
[17:30:26] <blues_> anyone using intel nics in OI? curious if you have jumbo frames enabled
[17:30:43] <RoyK> viridari: it probabaly comes with an LSI 1068 controller :P
[17:30:44] <Micr0mega> blues_: I do, but I don't :p
[17:31:06] <lblume> RoyK: But you have huge systems :-) 1068's are good enough for most people.
[17:31:18] <viridari> RoyK: I can't win for losing, apparently. Right now I'm running on an old dual core Athlon box with SATA2 disks
[17:31:56] <RoyK> lblume: I've seen these issues with small systems as well - a server with 10 drives just loses 2-3 drives because of something fucked up on the controller/driver side
[17:32:13] <RoyK> viridari: that should be quite safe
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[17:32:45] <lblume> RoyK: Oh really? I've never noticed that, and used a bunch of small 1068 setups
[17:32:55] <RoyK> lblume: and the loss of the data pool makes the whole system inaccessible, which is another bug
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[17:33:40] <RoyK> lblume: the pool was flagged bad, but the data was ok - haven't seen any issues yet after moving to the sas2 controllers, though
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[17:34:48] <lblume> Yep, I know you had some strange things happen. Bad luck?
[17:35:07] <RoyK> it's too many machines to just be bad luck
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[17:35:37] <lblume> Bad serie of chipsets?
[17:35:52] <RoyK> not likely
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[17:36:32] <RoyK> I heard lots people have reported similar issues to oracle without the issues being picked up
[17:37:07] <RoyK> the common stuff is lsi1068 and high load
[17:37:48] <lblume> But the mpt driver is actively maintained, though, by Oracle and LSI, so they do listen a little
[17:37:49] <RoyK> say, a scrub or resilver, and suddenly iostat -e shows massive errors, usually on one port only. same applies with direct attached storage as with sas expanders
[17:38:21] <RoyK> I don't really care too much about theory - practice shows mpt/lsi1068 is a PoS
[17:38:55] <lblume> Heh, all my scrub issues on that came from a bad serie of Seagate disks :-)
[17:39:03] <lblume> I still buy Seagate, though ;-)
[17:39:27] <RoyK> I've seen this with all three disk vendors
[17:39:50] <RoyK> although more with WDs
[17:42:47] <RoyK> lblume: btw, when was the mpt driver last updated in OI?
[17:44:17] <lblume> That is a good question.
[17:56:13] <lblume> Actually, shouldn't mpt_sas be able to handle the 1068? It seems the Linux version can
[17:58:11] <Micr0mega> al right guys, thanks for the chatter. leaving now, till next time!
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[18:05:50] <RoyK> lblume: is mpt_sas OSS?
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[18:12:30] <lblume> the sources appears to be on os.o, yes
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[18:18:33] <flyz> is there a quick how-to on getting mp3's playable? (oi_151)
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[18:36:02] <tsoome> depends how you wanna do that:P
[18:41:52] <flyz> tsoome, i just want the preinstalled rhythmbox to recognize and play music, and that's it.
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[18:52:45] <dkeav> i would try to find and install gstreamer-ffmpeg or gst-plugins-bad
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[19:13:19] <tomww> flyz: SFEmpg123, SFEmpg321, SFEmplayer, SFEvlc, SFEmpd + SFEgmpc (the most comfortable), songbird, ...
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[22:40:10] <cyberroadie> hi
[22:40:21] <cyberroadie> does openindiana support sctp?
[22:41:19] <richlowe> it should.
[22:42:06] <cyberroadie> whats the easiest way to find out? (sorry im totally new to openindiana)
[22:42:32] <richlowe> I've never used sctp, but the code etc. is all there, I just can't personally confirm it working.
[22:42:46] <cyberroadie> aha, cool
[22:42:55] <cyberroadie> im going to install it next week
[22:43:02] <cyberroadie> ill give it a try
[22:43:45] <cyberroadie> java 7 is going to support it so i was assuming sun would have put it in opensolaris
[22:44:10] <Alasdairrr> The wikipedia page says it's in Solaris 10 and above
[22:44:23] <Alasdairrr> so it'll almost certainly be in OpenSolaris and by extension Illumos/OpenIndiana
[22:44:45] <cyberroadie> excellent
[22:44:57] <cyberroadie> it gets better every minute#
[22:44:59] <cyberroadie> :-)
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[22:48:34] <Alasdairrr> it does!
[22:48:57] <Alasdairrr> brb
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