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[00:03:04] <Triskelios> jarray522: comparing with the live CD log might show something useful. I don't have time right now, though
[00:06:38] <jarray522> no problem
[00:06:44] <jarray522> Thanks for your help.
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[03:07:22] <Shadow__X> is there a write up to get wake on lan working on openindiana?
[03:07:37] <Shadow__X> also to fully shutdown a machine should i use shutdown -i 5 now?
[03:08:47] <alanc> that would shutdown & powerdown
[03:09:11] <Shadow__X> ah ok just wanted to make sure i am not familiear with init states
[03:09:22] <Shadow__X> thanks
[03:09:29] <dkeav> what do you mean by get wake on lan working?
[03:09:40] <dkeav> like sending WoL packets?
[03:10:07] <Shadow__X> right as in my server is off and then i send the wol packet to it and it turns on
[03:10:19] <Shadow__X> instead of my pushing hte power button
[03:10:34] <dkeav> thats more of a hardware function than software
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[03:10:52] <Shadow__X> i want to setup a cron job where this specific server turns on by the script then backs up after that shutsdown again
[03:11:18] <dkeav> if its not currently working, check the utility you are using to send the "magic packet", otherwise something is not configured properly in the systems firmware
[03:11:25] <Shadow__X> dkeav: well on windows i have to enable it in hardware and software as just hardware alone wont make it turn on or atleast from my experience anyway
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[03:11:40] <dkeav> o.0
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[03:13:44] <dkeav> then something is not right with your hardware
[03:14:02] <dkeav> the whole idea of WoL is to be "platform-independent"
[03:14:04] <Shadow__X> from everything i have found online you need to enable wol in hardware and software
[03:14:24] <Shadow__X> is it different for consumer boards than server boards?
[03:14:25] <dkeav> welp, i've never done anything in software WoL wise
[03:14:32] <dkeav> so news to me
[03:14:59] <dkeav> the chipset should send an ACPI event for wakeup when it recieves the packet
[03:15:16] <Shadow__X> sorry if that came accross in a bad way. Just merely stating that i have gotten wake on lan to work on this system before albeit in windows but only after i enabled some settings in windows
[03:15:18] <dkeav> without a kernel loaded i'm not sure how software could even interract at that level
[03:15:27] <Shadow__X> yeah i was confused to
[03:15:56] <dkeav> i'm not very familiar with windows though, maybe they do things quite strangely
[03:16:41] <Shadow__X> i have found the same thing for linux too
[03:16:58] <dkeav> that you have to enable something in software for WoL to work??
[03:17:17] <Shadow__X> so i thought it was hardware only as it makes sense but i am not sure why from where i have seen people have been successful is after they change some settings in the os
[03:17:20] <Shadow__X> yeah oddly enough
[03:17:40] <dkeav> if you find this information, please link me
[03:17:42] <dkeav> i'm very curious
[03:18:01] <Shadow__X> http://www.dimmeria.com/node/1755
[03:18:07] <Shadow__X> thats a link i found from google
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[03:19:33] <dkeav> i'm wondering if this "software" support is only required on crappy chipsets
[03:20:12] <Shadow__X> well i am noting that all i have is consumer grade stuff so maybe its different on server stuff
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[03:20:39] <dkeav> not so much server just non el-cheapo crap
[03:21:01] <dkeav> all he is doing there is using ethtool to set the wol bit in the eth chips firmware each boot
[03:21:16] <dkeav> which makes no sense unless it is non-volatile
[03:21:30] <dkeav> which just reaks of total crappyness
[03:22:00] <dkeav> though you should not have to do this on vast majority of eth hardware, especially on board
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[03:22:30] <dkeav> most pci/pci-e/pci-x adapters will have a physical WoL connector from the card to the motherboard to interact with the motherboards firmware
[03:22:38] <Shadow__X> i know i am trying to get it working on a p4p800-e and when using windows it wouldnt work unless it was enabled both in windows and bios
[03:22:55] <Shadow__X> oh hmm an external cable?
[03:23:03] <Shadow__X> that i have never used to maybe thats what i am missing
[03:23:08] <dkeav> are you using a seperate NIC?
[03:23:26] <dkeav> or is the ethernet integrated into the motherboard?
[03:23:40] <dkeav> if you are using a seperate nic then yes you need the WoL cable to your motherboard
[03:23:43] <Shadow__X> integrated into board
[03:24:10] <dkeav> then you shouldn't need anything other than enabling in the bios, unless you have one terribly crappy chipset
[03:24:50] <dkeav> and i'm also noting that i've use WoL for PXE booting ghost images, i'm fairly certain i did nothing in the DOS 6.22 floppy image to enable WoL
[03:24:53] <dkeav> :D
[03:25:00] <Shadow__X> were they servers?
[03:25:12] <dkeav> dell gx280's
[03:25:20] <dkeav> desktop's
[03:25:44] <Shadow__X> i am not really sure what i am missing then as from everything i have seen i needed to enable it in software too
[03:25:47] <dkeav> i boot my linux machine at home from my router after power outtages with WoL and there is nothing configured in software either
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[03:26:24] <Shadow__X> hmm openindiana too?
[03:26:29] <dkeav> yes
[03:26:42] <dkeav> if it helps i almost exclusivly use intel nics
[03:26:47] <Shadow__X> hmm well i have right now 2 or 3 chipsets i can test accross
[03:27:00] <Shadow__X> most of the integrated nics i have are marvell
[03:27:09] <dkeav> that might be your problem
[03:28:44] <Shadow__X> hmm also there is something called onboard lan boot rom i am pretty sure its disabled maybe i need that enabled
[03:33:30] <brandini> so from the looks of it Oi is dead!
[03:33:33] <brandini> long live Oi!
[03:35:09] <Shadow__X> ?
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[03:44:41] <dkeav> brandini: who declared it dead now?
[03:45:10] <brandini> I did
[03:45:34] <brandini> been over 9 months since the last/first/only release
[03:46:16] <alanc> weren't there two releases, 147 & 148?
[03:46:39] <brandini> if you say so
[03:46:41] <alanc> and 151 is coming RSN (for typical tech industry variances of "RSN")
[03:47:20] <brandini> I've read that for over a month!
[03:47:39] <brandini> anyhow, all joking aside I'm wondering how Oi is doing since the initial bust of energy
[03:47:54] <brandini> (I'm actually really looking forward to 151)
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[03:49:39] <jaimef> re
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[04:01:46] <Shadow__X> dkeav: Marvell 88E8001 thats the nic i have
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[04:15:46] <Shadow__X> is there a recommended driver that supports wol for that card?
[04:16:57] <Shadow__X> right now i am using yukonx referrred to in this post http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Ethernet+Networking
[04:17:56] <Triskelios> for resuming from suspend?
[04:19:43] <Shadow__X> wake on lan
[04:20:09] <Triskelios> Shadow__X: yes, but WOL from power off doesn't need driver support
[04:20:18] <dkeav> Triskelios: good luck
[04:20:21] <Shadow__X> some of the online info i have read is that sometimes wake on lan is depends on the driver
[04:20:31] <dkeav> it can't
[04:20:56] <dkeav> literally, can't if the machine is in power off state no kernel is loaded, no drivers are loaded how could it possibly depend on a driver
[04:21:01] <dkeav> the online info is from idiots
[04:21:14] <Shadow__X> ok
[04:21:28] <dkeav> and if the chipset requires its firmware to have a soft bit flipped each time the machine is power cycles, you need a better nic
[04:21:34] <Triskelios> for suspend, it can on the state the driver puts the card into, but not for power off obviously
[04:21:40] <Shadow__X> so this is what i know from my own experience. I have had this specific machine was working with wol on windows xp
[04:22:06] <Shadow__X> and i am not denying i could be doing something wrong now but i am not sure what
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[04:23:15] <dkeav> i don't think you are doing anything wrong, possibly some poor purchasing decisions, but not wrong
[04:23:47] <Shadow__X> the board seemed fine for what i was using it for at the time
[04:24:47] <dkeav> if this machine is going to be highly dependent on WoL and doing any time of serving, i highly suggest upgrading to a intel nic
[04:25:00] <dkeav> the desktop boards can be had quite cheaply
[04:25:03] <Shadow__X> http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/sock478/P4P800-E%20DX/e1867_p4p800-e_deluxe.pdf this is the manual for the motherboard an asus p4p800-e deluxe and within there there are only a few mentions of wake on lan and in one of those mentions it says it wont work in dos or windows me
[04:25:46] <dkeav> apparently that chipset is so horrible it requires a driver to flip a bit in its firmware each time the driver is loaded
[04:26:09] <dkeav> i would assume after power outage your WoL wouldn't work with that chipset either until the OS is manually loaded again
[04:26:10] <Shadow__X> it would seem like that is more often the case that not just from looking online
[04:26:29] <dkeav> no, thats the case on bob's cheap ass hardware
[04:26:37] <Shadow__X> that i can not say as i havent used wol in windows for a while but it might of been
[04:27:03] <Shadow__X> cheap compared to actual server grade motherboard yes but that board wasnt cheap when i got it
[04:27:05] <blues> so i'm trying to rename my network interfaces and set static ips.. and i'm following oracles documentation exactly... i used ipadm delete-if to delete interface
[04:27:14] <blues> but when i go to rename, it says the link is busy
[04:29:11] <miine> blues: is nwam active?
[04:29:27] <blues> how do i tell ?
[04:29:39] <miine> svcs -a | grep nwam
[04:29:57] <blues> yes
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[04:30:52] <miine> hmm. I don't know if ipadm handles nwam too. but you can disable nwam and enable the physical instance instead... .
[04:31:03] <dkeav> svcadm disable network/physical:nwam; svcadm enable network/physical:default
[04:31:27] <dkeav> and no iirc it ipadm doesn't work well with nwam
[04:31:36] <miine> yep. I meant that default instance...
[04:31:40] <blues> am i going to lose connection if i do that ?
[04:31:47] <Shadow__X> dkeav: would one of these be good ? Intel PWLA8391GT
[04:31:49] <miine> blues: yes
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[04:32:36] <severnaya> does openindiana have the capability of unlocking dmcrypted partitions? i need to rescue my linux zfs filesystem
[04:34:00] <miine> blues: but *maybe* not. I don't remember correctly whats going on those scripts... . but you can script it and run in background so loosing connection won't stop your script...
[04:34:10] <blues> yeah
[04:34:31] <blues> am i better off to just turn it off? or edit the nwam conf and make changes through that?
[04:34:36] <Triskelios> severnaya: no
[04:35:01] <severnaya> ok Triskelios
[04:35:24] <Triskelios> blues: ipadm is for physical:default, nwamadm/nwamcfg for nwam
[04:35:42] <miine> blues: my personal preference is to set nwam to off. but I still also don't use ipadm but create the files by hand to set address, router, dns etc. ...
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[04:38:32] <Shadow__X> dkeav: is any intel pro nic good?
[04:39:35] <miine> Shadow__X: the more you spend the better it's get...
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[05:46:14] <blues> anyone around?
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[06:27:43] <madwizard> Coffee
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[07:01:18] <baitisj> hi blues
[07:01:43] <blues> howdy
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[09:31:31] <RoyK> morning
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[09:37:38] <scarcry> morning
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[09:45:13] <nettezzaumana> someone knows what's the average salary in UK ? just average without any flavours
[09:46:18] <nettezzaumana> eg is £55k + premius pa good ?
[09:49:16] <JT-EC> The average salary is below £55k! Don't know if that is good or not without knowing what the job is.
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[09:49:35] <JT-EC> My hunch is it's good though
[09:49:45] <nettezzaumana> JT-EC: senior unix admin
[09:50:12] <JT-EC> Looking after how many juniors and systems?
[09:50:32] * nettezzaumana lied, it's `senior floor admin - mop specialist'
[09:50:53] <JT-EC> Looking after how many mops? ;P
[09:51:18] <nettezzaumana> hehe .. anyway, i want to know just gross average salary .. i've found more results
[09:51:49] <nettezzaumana> http://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Country=United_Kingdom/Salary
[09:52:27] <nettezzaumana> http://www.canuckabroad.com/forums/average-salaries-in-the-uk-and-london-vt1405.html
[09:52:32] <nettezzaumana> results vary
[09:53:03] <JT-EC> It's about right I'd say, depends on job spec though. You can get more of an idea looking at http://www.jobs.ac.uk/jobs/it
[09:53:06] <nettezzaumana> ^^ the last one is insane
[09:53:27] <JT-EC> Yep
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[09:54:09] <nettezzaumana> JT-EC: where are you from son JFMY, don't want me to molest you with whois
[09:54:29] <nettezzaumana> s/JFMY/JFMI/
[09:55:02] <JT-EC> London, guess I'm below average ;P
[09:55:12] <nettezzaumana> JT-EC: also in IT ?
[09:55:25] <JT-EC> Of course
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[17:07:43] <Hedonista> i have some zpools that are a higher version (made on solaris 11 express) and cannot import them, will the oi-151 release catch up to those higher version pools?
[17:08:09] <JT-EC> No
[17:08:45] <tsoome> build your system in an way the os and apps are separated and you can easily migrate or rebuild the system
[17:10:09] <Hedonista> umkay , thanks
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[17:35:48] <Hedonista> so openindiana zpool version will not go higher than 28 for the time being?
[17:35:57] <Hedonista> not
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[17:36:48] <JT-EC> Not until it does in illumos and that depends on what the ZFS working group decides.
[17:36:58] <Hedonista> ok
[17:37:41] <Hedonista> so i either wait, or what try to get these pools with a solaris 11 cd maybe?
[17:38:31] <JT-EC> Yeah, I would think you could use an S11E CD and copy the data.
[17:38:42] <Hedonista> theyre just media pools so it isnt the system
[17:39:52] <JT-EC> I don't think you can just wait as I'm not sure how compatible the later ZFS versions that come out of the working group will be with the S11E version.
[17:40:08] <JT-EC> I think the booting from CD and copying the data is your best option.
[17:40:32] <Hedonista> ok JT-EC i'll try to make some kind of plan to retreive them with a cd
[17:40:40] <Hedonista> thanks for the help
[17:40:45] <JT-EC> np
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[17:40:51] <Hedonista> im sad now
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[17:47:44] <Hedonista> i hate to bother you guys again but can virtualbox see any of my harddrives with the higher pools ?
[17:48:06] <tsoome> you need zfs version which supports it
[17:48:18] <tsoome> so if you had pool made on s11, you need s11
[17:48:30] <Hedonista> right
[17:48:43] <tsoome> and sure, if you can run s11 in vbox, it will be able to access it
[17:48:54] <Hedonista> oh joy then
[17:48:57] <Hedonista> thanks
[17:49:06] <Hedonista> thanks tsoome
[17:49:35] <tsoome> you are welcome
[17:50:10] <tsoome> btw, while creating pool, you can give an version which one to create, that can help with migration
[17:51:06] <Hedonista> ok i'll try these ides
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[17:53:31] <blues_> so i'm fairly ignorant on 10gigE.. but the ports supplied on some motherboards (like super micro's) are SFP+...and to make use i've got to have an SFP+ transceiver then cable to another transceiver leading into another gige card / switch
[17:54:45] <tsoome> and you need to have SFP+ at another end as well I'd suppose;)
[17:55:08] <blues_> if i only have need of short cable run, is there sugh a thing as converting from sfp+ to something like cat 6a ?
[17:55:45] <tsoome> optical with copper?:P
[17:57:07] <blues_> yeah yeah
[17:57:34] <tsoome> well, thats easy if you have switch with optical and copper modules:)
[17:58:04] <blues_> if i could afford a switch that had those modules i wouldn't be sweating a few 300 dollar transceivers
[17:58:07] <blues_> :-p
[17:58:15] <tsoome> i see:)
[17:59:05] <tsoome> you have just 2 systems to connet or more?:P
[17:59:44] <blues_> 3, two hosts and a oi/napp-it box
[18:00:13] <blues_> thought it might be cheaper to just directly connect each host to the oi box, and have 2 10gige nics in that box
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[18:01:01] <tsoome> well, you can get that 1gig switch with 10gig fiber port...
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[18:02:31] <blues_> ?
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[18:05:34] <tsoome> guess those arent exactly cheap either:)
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[18:32:27] <bradend> There are prefabbed cables that are copper, 10G, and terminate in specialized SFP+ modules.
[18:32:53] <bradend> From what I understand, they can be had for around $90 a piece, but yo need to check up on compatibility.
[18:35:43] <blues_> o
[18:36:10] <blues_> oops... I've found a few 10gigE terminating rj45, using cat 6a... which would fit my purposes fine
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[18:36:19] <blues_> if they are supported by oi / esxi
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[22:42:45] <sickness> hi LadySerena
[22:43:31] <LadySerena> o hai thar
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[22:47:22] <bradend> o/
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[23:09:50] <phretor> hi, is this really true? Has anyone succeeded at using a JMB363 controller's SATA ports? http://www.mail-archive.com/openindiana-discuss at openindiana dot org/msg03519.html
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[23:43:46] <[jason]> is there anything that resembles documentation for the automated installer image?
[23:44:35] <phretor> I am about to install OpenIndiana on a system with a JMicron JMB363 SATA card. A proper driver isn't found although the 'ahci' is expected to be used. How do I force the use of 'ahci' instead?
[23:46:02] <[jason]> alot of ahci implementations are supported but it still needs a proper driver. Set the card or MB bios for ahci and cross your fingers.
[23:46:34] <phretor> [jason]: it's a PCIe card, actually. The bios recognizes it properly as a boot device.
[23:47:05] <phretor> [jason]: however, a proper driver couldn't be found during installation.
[23:47:46] <[jason]> try a card from the hcl. i prefer lsi but there are options.
[23:47:51] <phretor> [jason]: it's listed in the HCL, that's why I bought it :) http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4885461
[23:48:55] <[jason]> is it setup for jbod mode?
[23:49:48] <phretor> [jason]: I understand this may sound like a silly question but, how am I supposed to do it?
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