July 2, 2011 
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July 2, 2011 [00:00:02] <Darkproger> i thought to try it for my single linux machine as well[00:01:39] <raichoo> Well Linux lacks a lot of stuff I want, I think I will stay with illumos :3[00:02:16] <Darkproger> what do you run it primarily for? hacking machine for daily use?[00:02:30] <raichoo> yeah[00:02:36] <raichoo> Not for my dayjob though.[00:04:26] *** leoric has quit IRC[00:05:24] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[00:06:36] *** sivanov__ has quit IRC[00:17:48] *** no7 has joined #openindiana[00:19:33] <no7> Hello, I am trying to get my ICP Vortex GDT8523RZ RAID controller working with OpenIndiana (current), the driver search keeps saying it has 'failed' and I've googled every possible phrase I could think of. The vendor claims support with Solaris proper, but I know this device is a bit antiquated though.[00:19:50] <no7> Can anyone offer any advice or assistance?[00:21:32] <DeanoC> can u bios set it to a jbod ?[00:21:37] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:21:47] <DeanoC> thats likely to have more chance[00:21:59] <tomww> don't thing those controllers are supported at all[00:22:13] <no7> DeanoC: Unfortunately, I can't.[00:22:28] <DeanoC> otherwise if the vendor can supply you with the solaris binary? else think its a no go... soz[00:22:34] <no7> It is a repurposed desktop (be gentle) with a RAID controller in it and some duct tape holding it together. lol[00:22:58] <no7> DeanoC: Ok, thanks for trying to help just the same.[00:23:09] <DeanoC> nothing wrong with a repurposed desktop but think thats just not a supported thing :([00:24:04] *** hsp has quit IRC[00:25:06] <no7> If OpenIndiana has no support, can I assume Solaris 10 and Open Solaris 2009.6 aren't going to have support either?[00:25:40] <no7> I'm not sure just how 'forked' OI is at this point, but that sounds like a logical assumption to me.[00:25:46] <DeanoC> very likely to be honest, there are some differences in the driver sets but afaik not much[00:26:35] <DeanoC> if its supported under linux, one way might be to setup a Xen Dom0 using debian and then export the disk to an OI domU[00:26:51] <DeanoC> for a differnet reason i do something very similar[00:28:12] *** gea_ has quit IRC[00:28:17] <no7> Hmm, I don't have any experience with xen. What's the added weight on the proc?[00:31:30] <DeanoC> its not too heavy, but there is a cost, depends on lots of things so hard to really know. modern cpus have VM accelaration which helps quite a bit[00:33:47] <no7> Alright man, I'll take a crash course in Xen and give it a shot. Thanks for the help. =)[00:39:56] *** laidback_01 has quit IRC[00:47:44] *** no7 has quit IRC[00:52:49] *** Naresh` has joined #openindiana[00:54:18] *** Naresh has quit IRC[00:55:20] *** Naresh` has quit IRC[00:55:29] *** Naresh`` has joined #openindiana[00:57:06] *** lblume has quit IRC[00:57:08] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:59:55] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[01:00:05] *** Naresh``` has joined #openindiana[01:01:45] *** Naresh`` has quit IRC[01:06:44] <miine> oh. I think I've brought down www.illumos.org ...[01:07:46] <miine> they should check their https://www.illumos.org/account/lost_password?token= request handler...[01:08:13] <alanc> you might go tell them in #illumos[01:08:53] <miine> alanc: will do :-)[01:09:24] *** Naresh``` has quit IRC[01:09:48] <rj> heh[01:10:24] *** lblume has quit IRC[01:14:07] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[01:23:07] <bdha> For the record, that wasn't it. ;-)[01:23:27] *** lblume has quit IRC[01:24:49] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[01:28:19] *** Reepicheep has quit IRC[01:30:07] <brandini> YAWN[01:33:46] *** baitisj has joined #openindiana[02:15:40] *** merzo has quit IRC[02:20:03] *** gea_ has joined #openindiana[02:25:50] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[02:28:45] *** GateKeeper has quit IRC[02:29:24] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[02:37:21] *** tsukasa has quit IRC[02:45:14] *** gea_ has quit IRC[02:46:34] *** GateKeeper has joined #openindiana[02:49:04] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[02:50:07] *** tsukasa has joined #openindiana[02:53:21] *** xOrphenochx has quit IRC[02:53:58] *** gea_ has joined #openindiana[02:56:07] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[02:59:02] *** GateKeeper has quit IRC[03:10:32] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:12:48] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[03:19:46] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[03:21:32] *** GateKeeper has joined #openindiana[03:22:49] *** gea_ has quit IRC[03:24:20] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[03:27:26] *** xOrphenochx has joined #openindiana[03:29:42] *** xOrphenochx has quit IRC[03:31:31] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[03:34:41] *** GateKeeper has quit IRC[03:46:04] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[03:46:40] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[04:00:24] *** bobbyz has quit IRC[04:12:25] *** DrLou has quit IRC[04:24:29] *** kdavy_home has joined #openindiana[04:55:21] *** xl0 has quit IRC[04:58:51] *** taemun_ has joined #openindiana[04:58:54] *** taemun has quit IRC[04:58:54] *** taemun_ is now known as taemun[05:01:07] *** xl0 has joined #openindiana[05:03:44] *** taemun has quit IRC[05:05:55] *** taemun has joined #openindiana[05:13:12] *** EFree has quit IRC[05:14:11] *** markesx has joined #openindiana[05:14:14] <markesx> hi[05:14:23] <markesx> does openindiana use ZFS[05:22:43] *** Botanic has quit IRC[05:23:46] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[05:26:20] *** EFree has joined #openindiana[05:28:01] <kdavy_home> markesx, yes[05:32:23] *** xl0 has quit IRC[05:32:28] *** xl0 has joined #openindiana[05:32:31] *** xylox has joined #openindiana[05:50:38] <trn> ummm.[06:12:00] *** miine has quit IRC[06:13:35] <Darkproger> where to look if i got the system running; my user has the 'root' role, but doing stuff like pfexec catman -w gives permission denied write errors?[06:15:23] <markesx> so ZFS pools disks together, why do people use expensive RAID cards[06:15:33] <markesx> if it is done via ZFS software[06:16:03] <Darkproger> doing it in hardware is faster anyway[06:16:47] <markesx> so how does thr RAID controller work[06:17:07] <markesx> what does the RAID card do with ZFS[06:18:57] <alanc> people use expensive raid cards because they use OS'es without zfs[06:20:48] <markesx> so with ZFS people should use HBA's[06:22:08] <lil-beezy> cifs question: what would cause me to only be able to connect as "guest" to everything?[06:23:06] *** markesx has left #openindiana[06:23:08] *** markesx has joined #openindiana[06:23:10] *** markesx has left #openindiana[06:23:30] <lil-beezy> I have a user "John" on my windows machine, and a user "John" on OI. Accessing anything not shared with guest access allowed fails. The logs say: smbd[SOLARIS\guest]: shares access denied: guest disabled[06:24:01] <lil-beezy> how do I access them not as guest? If I'm logged in as John on windows, shouldn't it try to log in as John on CIFS?[06:49:20] *** redgone has quit IRC[07:09:33] *** nbprashanth has joined #openindiana[07:17:41] *** horsi has quit IRC[07:28:54] *** nbprashanth has quit IRC[08:24:07] *** GateKeeper has joined #openindiana[08:26:46] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[08:27:39] *** GateKeeper has quit IRC[08:28:17] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[08:32:02] *** taemun has quit IRC[08:35:43] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[08:36:38] *** Meths_ has joined #openindiana[08:39:44] *** Meths has quit IRC[08:42:10] *** Botanic has quit IRC[08:53:19] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[08:53:53] *** synegy34 has joined #openindiana[08:55:06] *** dekar has quit IRC[08:55:41] *** philhar has joined #openindiana[08:55:59] <philhar> any suggestions on how to enable smb/server in a zone?[08:56:09] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[08:56:09] <philhar> smbd: non-global zones are not supported[09:00:57] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[09:03:10] *** lil-beezy has quit IRC[09:03:56] *** dekar has joined #openindiana[09:05:48] *** taemun has joined #openindiana[09:16:01] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[09:30:01] <tsoome> smb is in kernel service and does work only in global zone. if you need local zone to serve smb, use samba.[09:32:03] <philhar> thanks.[09:32:07] *** philhar has quit IRC[09:34:18] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[09:35:45] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:36:11] *** scarcry has joined #openindiana[09:46:39] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[09:56:08] * taemun wishes that in-kernel cifs was called cifs, and samba called samba[09:56:39] <taemun> Sun did the world a disservice by naming their in-kernel implementation smb sometimes, and cifs other times[09:57:28] <alanc> the 3 hardest problems in software engineering are naming and counting[09:59:32] <taemun> :p[10:05:43] <tsoome> esp if the marketing will be involved[10:09:21] <tsoome> but imagine if samba team would have named smbd as samba, nmbd as rumba and winbindd as the carnivale:)[10:22:39] *** EFree has quit IRC[10:33:31] *** Naresh``` has joined #openindiana[10:43:54] <taemun> lol[10:44:19] <taemun> still, smbstat and smbstatus belonging to two seperate groups is just misleading[10:47:01] *** Naresh``` is now known as Naresh[10:47:08] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[10:50:55] *** gea_ has joined #openindiana[11:00:14] *** taemun has quit IRC[11:02:56] *** AlasAway is now known as Alasdairrr[11:04:30] <Alasdairrr> morning all[11:05:31] *** ekix has quit IRC[11:05:52] <bdha> Yo yo.[11:06:00] <Alasdairrr> hey bdha[11:06:04] <bdha> How goes?[11:06:09] <Alasdairrr> Not bad[11:06:14] <Alasdairrr> yourself?[11:06:22] <bdha> Upgrading to Chef 0.10.2. :P[11:06:25] <bdha> At 5AM.[11:06:25] <bdha> So.[11:06:31] <Alasdairrr> fun :P[11:06:35] <bdha> Insomnia sucks.[11:06:45] *** taemun has joined #openindiana[11:09:11] <bdha> But it's all good. We built this city on rock and roll.[11:09:24] *** DeanoC has quit IRC[11:10:20] *** sponix has quit IRC[11:12:35] <Alasdairrr> i need to eat breakfast[11:12:38] <Alasdairrr> and there is no milk[11:12:53] <Alasdairrr> the chocolate bar is looking very tasty right about now[11:13:21] <bdha> The best part about being an adult is no one can tell you not to eat candy for breakfast.[11:15:01] <sickness> eheheh[11:16:23] <Alasdairrr> absolutely[11:16:25] <Alasdairrr> *nom nom nom*[11:17:23] <taemun> and here I thought it was stove ownership which leads to unlimited bacon consumption[11:17:29] *** sponix has joined #openindiana[11:24:03] *** shank__ has joined #openindiana[11:24:37] <shank__> anyone know how to attach external monitor to my laptop running openindiana[11:24:39] <shank__> ?[11:27:06] *** DeanoC has joined #openindiana[11:27:07] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DeanoC[11:28:08] <shank__> any shortcut key to switch to dual monitor mode in openIndiana ?[11:29:08] *** ekix has joined #openindiana[11:31:47] <shank__> plzz its urgent[11:32:30] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[11:33:22] <Alasdairrr> shank__: you have to restart X[11:33:48] *** xmikus01 has joined #openindiana[11:33:50] <shank__> actually my display screen is gone[11:34:43] <shank__> Alasdairrr: let me know how to restart the X[11:36:48] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[11:41:16] <shank__> Alasdairrr : How to restart the x server[11:42:34] <Alasdairrr> you hold down the power button until the machine goes off, then press it again[11:43:07] <Alasdairrr> You used to be able to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace but some fucking idiot decided to disable that keyboard combo.[11:43:59] <Alasdairrr> Perhaps we should re-enable it.[11:44:07] <shank__> ok[11:44:22] <shank__> but I could not see anything on the screen[11:44:42] <Alasdairrr> if your laptop has network access and you know its IP address, and you have SSH enabled etc, you can ssh in and restart X[11:44:55] <Alasdairrr> otherwise i'm afraid your only option is to reboot the thing[11:45:13] <shank__> I am able to login to OS sucessfully[11:46:50] <Alasdairrr> svcadm restart gdm[11:47:00] <shank__> ok[11:47:08] *** Bahman has joined #openindiana[11:47:24] <shank__> does ctrl+alt+F1 switch to full screen terminal[11:47:55] <PMT> more like it switches out of X[11:47:56] <PMT> but yes[11:48:05] <Bahman> Hi all![11:48:06] <PMT> well[11:48:08] <PMT> not necessarily[11:48:09] <PMT> i suppose[11:48:35] <Alasdairrr> Does ctrl-alt-f1 work on OpenIndiana?[11:48:42] <PMT> It can.[11:48:53] <Alasdairrr> I guess the issue is whenever my X has locked up, it has crashed the machine[11:48:53] <PMT> I believe it doesn't by default.[11:49:24] *** mikw has joined #openindiana[11:51:05] <shank__> its not working[11:51:46] <shank__> Does OI workes on virtual box or VMware[11:52:50] <Bahman> I´m running b148 from live USB to make sure everything works. What´s the root password?[11:54:14] <shank__> thanks guys !![11:55:00] *** shank__ has quit IRC[12:05:25] <Alasdairrr> Bahman: "sudo su -"[12:05:28] <Alasdairrr> jack / jack[12:06:59] <Bahman> Alasdairrr: Thanks.[12:07:14] <Alasdairrr> np[12:09:40] <Alasdairrr> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2247#comic[12:13:20] *** samc has quit IRC[12:14:08] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[12:16:01] *** McBofh has quit IRC[12:17:05] <Bahman> Nice one Alasdairrr![12:17:49] <Bahman> Well, looks like everything´s working as expected...preparing for installation.[12:19:01] *** samc has joined #openindiana[12:22:24] *** Bahman has quit IRC[12:45:16] *** ekix has quit IRC[12:47:50] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[12:49:24] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[12:50:48] <taemun> Alasdairrr: most excellent[12:52:29] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:53:44] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[12:55:23] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[13:03:48] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[13:05:16] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[13:12:34] *** hsp has joined #openindiana[13:12:40] *** Naresh has quit IRC[13:14:07] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[13:22:29] *** Naresh has quit IRC[13:28:16] *** Bahman has joined #openindiana[13:29:46] *** mikw has quit IRC[13:41:23] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[13:51:42] *** raichoo has quit IRC[13:52:40] <Bahman> I just installed OI on my laptop. In package manager when I hit the 'updates' button, it says: "This is an Live Image. The install operation can't be performed."[13:52:56] <Bahman> But this is not right. It's running from my HDD :-)[13:53:45] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[13:54:07] <Bahman> Alright...found the solution: pkg image-update[13:58:00] <c00p> anyone tried a OCZ RevoDrive PCI-Express SSD or 2 in a OI machine yet ?[14:01:15] *** Bahman has quit IRC[14:04:22] *** DeanoC has quit IRC[14:18:26] *** Bahman has joined #openindiana[14:19:53] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[14:25:11] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[14:30:41] <Bahman> I've got an external hdd with two partitions on it (ntfs and ext4). It's connected to USB but nautilus doesn't show the partitions. How to mount them?[14:31:17] <sergefonville> does fdisk?[14:38:20] <Bahman> sergefonville: Hmm...I don't know about the device naming scheme in OI. What possibly would be the name of the hdd?[14:38:38] *** mnaser has quit IRC[14:39:12] <Bahman> Alright...found the device name using gparted.[14:39:23] *** miine has joined #openindiana[14:39:26] <Bahman> gparted shows the partitions so far. Checking fdisk....[14:39:36] <sergefonville> if you run foirmat, you get a list of all harddisks[14:39:47] <sergefonville> formwat*[14:40:17] <Bahman> fdisk shows the partitions too.[14:41:00] <sergefonville> external disks usually have partitions[14:42:26] <Bahman> Normally nautilus should show the partitions in 'places' panel and mount them when I click on them. But the partitions aren't showing up in 'places'.[14:45:51] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[14:46:12] <sergefonville> can you mount them?[14:46:45] <raichoo> hi folks[14:47:49] <sergefonville> welcome raichoo ;-)[14:48:10] <raichoo> hey sergefonville[14:48:19] <sergefonville> how are you?[14:49:02] <raichoo> fine, chilling in a cafe drinking some "club mate" ^^ and you?[14:49:55] <sergefonville> fine, thanks[14:51:31] *** nbprashanth has joined #openindiana[14:53:06] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[14:53:29] <Bahman> sergefonville: sudo mount -F ntfs /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p1 ~/mnt --> mount: Operation not applicable to FSType ntfs[14:53:53] <Bahman> Does it mean that ntfs support is not installed? I get the same message when I try to mount the ext4 partition.[14:54:08] <Bahman> Hi raichoo![14:54:14] <raichoo> Hi Bahman[14:56:34] <sergefonville> perhaps try -o ro to the mount[14:57:18] <raichoo> I don't see kernel modules for those filesystems in /kernel/fs[14:57:37] <sergefonville> http://ritwikghoshal.blogspot.com/2008/04/today-i-mount-my-ntfs-partitions-in-my.html[14:58:25] *** Meths_ is now known as Meths[14:58:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Meths[14:58:45] <Bahman> sudo mount -F ntfs -o /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p1 ~/mnt[14:58:46] <Bahman> mount: Mount point cannot be determined[14:59:49] <tomww> I would try an absolute path instead of ~/mnt[15:00:03] <tomww> oh, and "-o /dev..." is wrong[15:00:32] <Bahman> tomww: Oops! You're right.[15:00:54] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[15:01:13] <Bahman> Corrected it. Back to "mount: Operation not applicable to FSType ntfs"[15:01:25] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[15:03:11] <raichoo> Does openindiana even support ntfs out of the box?[15:03:52] <sergefonville> I thought it did, but google makes me believe otherwise[15:05:08] <raichoo> I recall that there was a project going on on opensolaris.org that planned to port fuse to opensolaris and anotherone for ntfs3g or whatever that was.[15:05:09] <Bahman> ntfs is not important in fact. All of my docs and work is on ext4 partition.[15:05:54] *** merzo has quit IRC[15:06:27] <RoyK> erm... does oi support ntfs these days?[15:06:48] <RoyK> ntfs-ng might work, though[15:06:50] <RoyK> through fuse[15:06:53] <raichoo> I don't think so. There is no module for it in /kernel/fs[15:07:28] <sergefonville> there does seem to be an NTFS package[15:07:56] <raichoo> Some goes for ext. There might be an ext2 module somewhere but I don't think OI ships it.[15:08:13] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[15:09:55] <RoyK> raichoo: there is very little use for ntfs on a non-windoze system, though[15:10:04] <RoyK> except for extracting old data, that is[15:10:14] <raichoo> yep[15:10:21] <Bahman> So practically there's no straight forward way to mount the ext4 volume, right?[15:10:38] <raichoo> None that I know of.[15:10:40] <RoyK> and the hours spent on implementing ntfs for sysadmins to extract data more easily should possibly be used for something better :P[15:10:48] <RoyK> Bahman: afaik, no[15:10:54] <raichoo> Dunno how good the ext support outside of the linux world is anyway.[15:11:07] <RoyK> I think fbsd has some[15:11:16] <Bahman> Thanks folks.[15:11:24] <raichoo> Yes but it's quite limited from what I know.[15:11:33] *** Naresh has quit IRC[15:11:53] *** ekix has joined #openindiana[15:12:10] <Triskelios> RoyK, raichoo: we support NTFS-3G[15:12:32] <raichoo> nice, there is fuse support in OI?[15:12:55] <RoyK> Triskelios: yes, sorry, I named it -ng, my fault[15:12:56] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[15:13:13] <RoyK> raichoo: ntfs-3g wouldn't work too well without fuse :P[15:13:22] <Triskelios> raichoo: not integrated[15:13:50] <raichoo> RoyK: It was more an expression of surprise and not a question ^^[15:13:56] <RoyK> raichoo: use the source, luke ;)[15:14:05] <raichoo> hrhr[15:14:10] <raichoo> No need for it but thanks ;)[15:15:26] *** nbprashanth has quit IRC[15:16:52] <raichoo> I don't have any windows boxes around.[15:22:20] <Bahman> Wife's laptop is running Ubuntu. What fs do you folks suggest to use for the external hdd so that files are easily accessible in both Linux and OI?[15:22:31] <RoyK> fat32[15:22:56] <RoyK> dead simple and stupid, but it works[15:23:11] <raichoo> Hm, I don't use Linux, but fat32 is pretty much the lowest common denominator.[15:23:37] <RoyK> makes it easy to share stuff with windoze users as well[15:23:45] <raichoo> And mac, etc[15:23:51] <RoyK> yep[15:25:43] <RoyK> fat32 is the computing world's esperanto, after all :P[15:26:19] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[15:26:35] <raichoo> Sad but true ^^[15:27:59] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[15:28:45] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[15:28:57] *** Naresh has quit IRC[15:30:02] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[15:30:53] <Bahman> :-S[15:31:21] <Bahman> I'll keep searching a bit more and if there's no way to work with ext4 on OI then sadly fat is the only solution.[15:31:25] <Bahman> Thanks again.[15:32:09] <raichoo> Bahman: Maybe start a project and write a kernel module for it :3[15:32:25] <RoyK> Bahman: ufs?[15:32:36] <RoyK> supported by mac, linux and solaris...[15:33:11] <RoyK> although it doesn't scale very well[15:33:16] <Bahman> RoyK: ufs. Yes, I've seen in Linux modules.[15:33:21] <Bahman> What do you mean "scale"?[15:33:36] <RoyK> iirc it doesn't work very well on large drives[15:33:41] * RoyK checks[15:33:56] <Bahman> RoyK: Ouch![15:34:18] <RoyK> erm[15:34:20] <RoyK> it should work[15:34:28] <RoyK> dunno what I heard[15:34:34] <Bahman> It's a 500G external hdd.[15:34:39] <RoyK> max filesystem size for UFS seems to be 8ZB[15:34:42] <RoyK> so sufficient[15:34:52] <raichoo> Is the solaris ufs and the freebsd ufs the same? I'm not really sure about that.[15:34:55] <Bahman> I'll give it a try. if it works then it's worth the fat hassle.[15:35:03] <lblume> raichoo: they're not the same[15:35:04] <raichoo> I recall hearing something else.[15:35:05] <RoyK> raichoo: IIRC UFS is UFS[15:35:19] <lblume> Solaris sparc ufs is not the same as Solaris x86 ufs either[15:35:20] <raichoo> lblume: Yeah, that's what I thought.[15:35:26] <Bahman> raichoo: My last attempt to do system level stuff died about 6 years ago :-)[15:35:53] <raichoo> Bahman: Time for another try ;)[15:36:15] *** Naresh` has joined #openindiana[15:36:28] <Bahman> I'm checkmated :-)[15:37:16] <lblume> fat32 will rule forever![15:38:09] <raichoo> Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo[15:38:19] <RoyK> lblume: sure?[15:38:43] <RoyK> oh - endianness?[15:40:00] <RoyK> AFAICS linux supports both big and little endian UFS[15:40:35] *** Naresh has quit IRC[15:40:45] *** Naresh` is now known as Naresh[15:40:57] *** Naresh has quit IRC[15:40:57] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[15:42:00] <lblume> Yep, indianness. And Linux does, in two different modules last time I looked, that were not built in the distros I tried.[15:42:59] <lblume> notwithstanding that Solaris x86 puts 16 slices inside an fdisk partition, and sparc gets 8 sitting directly on the disk.[15:43:55] <RoyK> at least with ubuntu 10.04, there's only one module, ufs[15:43:58] <RoyK> and it's included[15:44:22] <lblume> which flavour? BSD, or Solaris?[15:44:56] <RoyK> are you sure there's a big difference between them?[15:45:12] <lblume> Oh, I was also forgetting that there is UFS Solaris 32 bit (1TB max) and UFS Solaris 64 (you say 8ZB, never checked myself)[15:45:17] <Bahman> I'll give it a try today and let you folks know.[15:45:23] <Bahman> In fact, I'm on it now :-)[15:45:53] <RoyK> lblume: that's probably the limit I was thinking of[15:46:01] <lblume> RoyK: Pretty sure, yes. I investigated that 10 years ago, it was already said to have diverged enough, and that was before Sun made the changes to go beyond 1TB[15:46:10] <RoyK> lblume: the 8ZB limit came from wikipedia (I'm lazy)[15:46:22] <lblume> Don't forget they split ways in '89[15:47:07] <RoyK> Bahman: please tell when you're done testing :)[15:47:22] <lblume> don't put critical stuff on it just yet ;-)[15:47:33] <RoyK> nope[15:47:49] <RoyK> try to fill it up with rubbish and move it around a bit[15:48:01] <RoyK> fat32 should be safe, though :P[16:00:19] *** hajma has quit IRC[16:02:39] <Bahman> I need some help...howto create a ufs partition? I have freed up about 60G for it.[16:03:41] <Bahman> BTW, strange...there's /usr/sbin/mkntfs ... is it really not supported?! :-)[16:03:45] <sergefonville> you could create a new slice for it and format that with ufs[16:06:36] <RoyK> Bahman: mkfs -F ufs[16:06:41] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[16:06:59] <RoyK> sergefonville: is a slice needed if he wants to use the whole drive?[16:07:33] <Bahman> RoyK: Not the whole drive.[16:07:46] <Bahman> A new partition alongside ext4 and ntfs.[16:07:51] <RoyK> ok[16:08:00] <RoyK> then create a partition, not a slice[16:08:03] <sergefonville> a slice slice is always advises, since booting of efi is not fully supported[16:08:18] *** miine has quit IRC[16:08:43] <sergefonville> if it a a partitioned disk, you need to create a new partition[16:08:47] <sergefonville> like RoyK said[16:14:01] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[16:15:45] <Bahman> $ sudo mkfs -F ufs /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p3 122045805[16:15:45] <Bahman> Can not determine partition size: Inappropriate ioctl for device[16:15:48] <Bahman> I don't get it.[16:18:21] * RoyK doesn't know - has never created an UFS filesystem in his life[16:18:53] <raichoo> Me neither (except on FreeBSD)[16:20:17] <sergefonville> what is the partitiontable like?[16:21:28] <Bahman> sergefonville: Two primary partitions: ntfs, ext4 and a 60G free space at the end of the disk.[16:22:32] <sergefonville> create a third partition for the UFS[16:29:07] <Bahman> sergefonville: Trying hard to :-)[16:30:22] <Bahman> Done.[16:31:23] <sergefonville> can you format that?[16:32:23] <Bahman> sergefonville: With mkfs or format?[16:32:39] <sergefonville> mkfs[16:33:21] <Bahman> sudo mkfs -F ufs /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p3 122045805[16:33:22] <Bahman> Can not determine partition size: Inappropriate ioctl for device[16:35:47] <sergefonville> sorry, just noticed....[16:35:54] <sergefonville> you need to use rdsk instead of dsk[16:37:53] <Bahman> sudo mkfs -F ufs /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p3 122045805[16:37:53] <Bahman> Can not determine partition size: Invalid argument[16:38:28] <sergefonville> newfs instead of mkfs[16:38:52] <Bahman> Hmm...what am I doing wrong?! It should not be this complicated[16:38:58] <Bahman> Oh! Let me try that.[16:40:21] <Bahman> sergefonville: bear with me please :-)[16:40:22] <Bahman> sudo newfs /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p3[16:40:22] <Bahman> newfs: construct a new file system /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p3: (y/n)? y[16:40:22] <Bahman> Can not determine partition size: Invalid argument[16:41:22] <sergefonville> what does your partition look like?[16:41:25] <sergefonville> table*[16:42:24] <Bahman> /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p1 (ntfs), /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p2 (ext4), /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p3 (no fs yet) ... all primary partitions.[16:49:49] <RoyK> Bahman: just to check if something is bad with the partition table - can you create another filesystem on that partition?[16:49:54] <RoyK> such as zpool create .....[16:51:47] <Bahman> RoyK: Yes...I can create an ntfs partition using gparted.[16:52:04] <RoyK> just try zfs[16:52:46] * RoyK doesn't trust GUI apps - they may ignore warnings/errors[16:54:29] * Bahman reading zpool manpage[16:54:49] <sergefonville> you can create a zpool based on a partition[16:55:04] *** gea__ has joined #openindiana[16:56:59] *** gea_ has quit IRC[16:56:59] <RoyK> Bahman: zpool create blah /dev/dsk/c2t0d0p3[16:57:20] <Bahman> RoyK: I've tried that at least ten times...[16:57:34] <RoyK> does it work?[16:57:41] <Bahman> "too many arguments"[16:57:57] * RoyK starts to argue[16:58:45] <Bahman> Finally! it's done! You have the right to argue RoyK :-)[16:58:54] <Bahman> I was using zfs instead of zpool :-)[17:00:09] <RoyK> lol[17:01:09] <sergefonville> perhaps you need to create a slice in the partition so it works with ufs[17:01:38] <RoyK> sergefonville: that might confuse linux, though[17:04:07] <sergefonville> it should not[17:04:34] <RoyK> should be worth a try[17:05:37] <Bahman> Working on it..[17:15:10] *** bens1 has quit IRC[17:22:41] *** forquare has joined #openindiana[17:23:52] *** forquare has quit IRC[17:24:53] *** no7 has joined #openindiana[17:25:20] <no7> Anyone care to take a crack at a boot time error on the installer? http://pastebin.com/i5hJJ49J[17:25:46] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[17:25:49] <no7> Happens with both the text only and the graphical installer.[17:26:14] <sergefonville> bot 147, 148 and 151?[17:26:27] <sergefonville> and have you tried other distros as well?[17:26:53] <no7> Yeah, I've got Debian going just fine. I've only tried 148 however.[17:27:15] <sergefonville> I recall having similar errors during boot of the installer[17:27:21] <sergefonville> but it installed just fine[17:28:19] <no7> I can't get to the installer. lol[17:28:55] <sergefonville> can you see if the mentioned file is present on the disk?[17:29:51] <no7> root@:/# ls -R | grep libfm[17:29:51] <no7> libfmevent.so[17:29:51] <no7> libfmevent.so.1[17:29:52] <sergefonville> have you checked the media for corruption?[17:30:29] <no7> YEah it isn't corrupted. Oddly enough it only does this during a Xen install, it does just fine on the physical hardware (except for not supporting my RAID controller).[17:31:52] *** hajma has quit IRC[17:36:04] <Bahman> Alright...I gave up creating a UFS filesystem :-S[17:38:32] <sergefonville> what did not work :O??[17:39:18] *** sponix has quit IRC[17:40:26] *** miine has joined #openindiana[17:40:36] <Bahman> sergefonville: newfs[17:40:48] *** gea__ has quit IRC[17:40:56] <Bahman> sudo newfs /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p3[17:40:56] <Bahman> newfs: construct a new file system /dev/rdsk/c2t0d0p3: (y/n)? y[17:40:56] <Bahman> Can not determine partition size: Invalid argument[17:41:14] <Bahman> The partition is created using fdisk[17:41:17] <quasi> you need to do that on slices[17:41:20] <sergefonville> ``have you created a slice[17:41:25] <sergefonville> exactly[17:41:59] <Bahman> How to do so? I read some guides on Sun's website and they all used newfs. No mention of howto create a slice.[17:42:20] <sergefonville> 'normally' you start with a slice[17:42:34] <sergefonville> and then do all your fs things to *s0[17:43:00] <Bahman> I'd love to start with slices but how?[17:43:16] <Bahman> if not fdisk, what should I use?[17:43:46] <quasi> use format to label it[17:44:51] <sergefonville> you should be able to create a slice inside a partition[17:45:19] <quasi> http://multiboot.solaris-x86.org/iv/3.html looks sorta useful[17:54:03] *** jedi4ever_ has joined #openindiana[18:01:45] *** no7 has quit IRC[18:02:20] <Bahman> Searching FreeBSD docs.[18:15:53] <sergefonville> using fdisk you can create you can create a solaris partition with the remaining space[18:16:03] <sergefonville> and then use the slices for ufs[18:27:56] *** xylox has quit IRC[18:28:41] <Bahman> sergefonville: I gave up. Since I don't have a backup of the files, I went for the easier fat approach.[18:28:53] *** raichoo has quit IRC[18:29:08] <Bahman> sergefonville, RoyK and quasi: Thanks for you help. Really appreciate it.[18:29:17] <sergefonville> that does make it a lot easier for sure[18:29:26] <sergefonville> this has been quite a hassle[18:29:54] <lblume> I thought so, and ufs is not portable anyway :-)[18:30:24] <sergefonville> and 60G isn't all that big, so very little loss of usuable space[18:30:41] <sergefonville> the pragmatic way is best[18:39:41] <Bahman> I just wanted to make sure that if by any chance I forget to pick my hdd from some other place than home, chances were less for anyone to read the hdd contents during the night (I would surely check for hdd the next morning) :-)[18:41:25] <sergefonville> perhaps it is interesting to us an old USB-stick just to figure out what to do[18:42:05] *** jedi4ever_ has quit IRC[18:44:18] <Bahman> Now the next challenge: I assume that none of you folks need a Persian keyboard, right?[18:44:47] <Bahman> There is no Persian entry in input method switcher.[18:47:51] <lblume> which IM is it?[18:48:10] <sergefonville> kbd -s[18:48:19] <Bahman> The one shipped with gnome.[18:48:36] <lblume> there are several[18:48:45] <Bahman> sergefonville: No Persian.[18:49:08] <lblume> kbd is not related at all to the X input[18:50:01] <Bahman> In Linux Preferences->Keyboard there was an option to add/change kb layouts.[18:50:21] <Bahman> Strange...Gnome is Gnome. Why it's different here?[18:50:25] <lblume> Linux distros have a rather different way to do it[18:50:45] <lblume> the Solaris gnome is different[18:51:14] <Bahman> I see.[18:51:43] <lblume> it's kind of in a transition state in b151 too.[18:52:11] <lblume> keyboard layouts must be set in the CLI[18:52:30] <lblume> IM must be chosen and installed, S11X has SCIM or iBus[18:52:52] <alanc> that panel in the gnome keyboard preferences requires libxklavier, which didn't integrate until 153 or so (post S11X and current OI)[18:53:08] <Bahman> Now it's clear to me.[18:53:12] <alanc> in builds with libxklavier, the layouts tab appears in keyboard preferences[18:53:27] <sergefonville> isn't there an input methods applet?[18:53:39] <lblume> IM != keyboard layout[18:54:30] <Bahman> So I should find a way to add keyboard layouts to Xorg (or its equivalent in OI).[18:55:01] <lblume> alanc had told me how to do it on the CLI[18:55:30] <Bahman> lblume: Would you please tell me too? :-)[18:55:30] <alanc> setxkbmap should work fine, just like linux[18:56:17] <lblume> Bahman: I would have, but he beat me to it, I didn't have it handy :-)[18:56:58] <Bahman> Excellent![18:57:04] <lblume> There are wierd things with that, though[18:57:11] <Bahman> Thanks alanc & lblume.[18:57:20] <lblume> The keyboard layout resets itself from time to time[18:57:22] *** gea_ has joined #openindiana[18:57:33] <lblume> At least on my S11X.[18:57:42] <Bahman> I can live with that for a few months until the stable version :-)[18:58:05] <lblume> yes, it can be done :-) I just put it in my .profile[19:03:57] <alanc> it is likely to reset whenever the keyboard is hotplugged, the machine is suspended, or you switch vt's[19:08:59] <alanc> and of course on logout[19:10:42] *** dekar has quit IRC[19:18:29] *** palowoda has quit IRC[19:26:10] <lblume> ah, right, my keyboard is plugged on the dislpay, which I sometimes switch off[19:29:30] <sergefonville> there are language packs for oi, but not sure about farsi[19:30:50] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[19:33:39] *** sponix has joined #openindiana[19:34:15] <Bahman> sergefonville: No...Farsi is not there. Not even for OOo and such stuff.[19:43:47] <Bahman> The default place for xorg.conf is /etc/X11, right?[19:44:25] <raichoo> yes[19:45:03] <Bahman> So I guess I can put the keyboard layout information/and toggle key in xorg.conf out there. Is it correct?[19:46:16] *** Guest46091 has joined #openindiana[19:50:33] *** Guest46091 has quit IRC[19:54:28] <Bahman> Need to log out...testing new config.[19:54:32] *** Bahman has quit IRC[19:55:28] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[20:02:11] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[20:04:37] *** tomww has quit IRC[20:05:34] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[20:05:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[20:05:39] *** redgone has joined #openindiana[20:08:00] *** tomww_ has joined #openindiana[20:08:13] *** tomww has quit IRC[20:08:17] *** tomww_ has quit IRC[20:08:23] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[20:08:23] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[20:25:14] *** dekar has joined #openindiana[20:26:00] <sergefonville> weird, my server keeps rebooting for no visible reason:S[20:26:13] <sergefonville> including when booting from the oi_148 CD[20:33:02] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[20:36:32] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[20:38:01] *** oninoshiko has joined #openindiana[20:44:36] <scarcry> sergefonville: checked your ram lately?[20:45:51] <sergefonville> no, didn't[20:45:58] <sergefonville> perhaps I'll do that in a few[21:00:52] <sergefonville> hmmmz, weird[21:01:02] <sergefonville> I removed the faulty module[21:01:16] <sergefonville> and memtest gives no errors anymore[21:01:30] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[21:01:37] <sergefonville> now I switched the 3rd and 4th module, memtest still gives no errors[21:02:00] <sergefonville> memory does not 'come loose' in time does it :O[21:02:11] <sergefonville> the modules were placed 3 years ago[21:02:12] <lennard> re-seating sometimes helps[21:02:14] <lennard> its magic![21:02:28] <lennard> does the original layout still give errors?[21:02:41] <sergefonville> sec, I'll try[21:03:34] <tsoome> not loose, but there is an micro dust and the contacts can start to loose the touch in time.[21:04:16] <lennard> and in theory some static buildup could be involved, although it really shouldnt[21:04:57] <sergefonville> no, it seems not[21:05:06] <sergefonville> I'll let it run for a while[21:06:24] <sergefonville> usually whn there are errors, they show up in the first couple of seconds[21:06:40] <sergefonville> its been running for a couple of minutes now, with no errors[21:07:01] <lennard> very true, however I have in my life seen 1 instance of it only showing up after tens of minutes[21:07:16] <lennard> ... I've seen a lot of instances in my life though :)[21:07:45] <sergefonville> the last time I ran, the errors were in the 4-5G range[21:07:54] <sergefonville> and showed up in the first couple of seconds[21:08:15] <sergefonville> and within one minute there we over 10K[21:11:28] <sergefonville> still, fine, gonna try and boot oi again, see if it is back to normal[21:11:45] <sergefonville> what I don't quite get is why oi would use over 4G of momry on boot[21:12:15] <lennard> there is a difference between using >4G and using memory that happens to be in that range :P[21:12:48] <sergefonville> why would it use that memory then?[21:13:10] <sergefonville> isn't memory just addressed linearly[21:13:19] <sergefonville> or is that what numa does :P?[21:14:18] <sergefonville> no it isn't :([21:15:32] <lennard> I wouldnt know[21:15:48] <lennard> I don't even know in linux, which is way more my area than solaris is[21:16:41] <sergefonville> I'm not into hardware at all, so I know very little as well[21:16:57] <sergefonville> you've been a great help lennard[21:17:10] <sergefonville> no errors at all anymore[21:17:11] <lennard> no I havent, scarcry has ;)[21:19:31] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[21:22:04] <sergefonville> damn, ur right, he was the one suggesting it "{[21:22:13] <sergefonville> thanks scarcy :D[21:22:25] <sergefonville> scarcry :P[21:22:38] <sergefonville> I completely missed that :P[21:22:51] <sergefonville> you did explain very well about microdust though[21:23:13] <sergefonville> its booted up like nothing ever went wrong :D[21:24:31] <lennard> I hate to break it to you, but the microdust was tsoome ;)[21:24:42] <sergefonville> damn :S[21:25:21] <sergefonville> hahaha, sorry tsoome[21:25:33] <tsoome> no worries:P[21:25:43] <sergefonville> thank you!![21:26:03] <sergefonville> well, one thing you did do lennard!![21:26:13] <sergefonville> enable me to credit where credit is due :P[21:28:07] <lennard> I'll take the credit for that :)[21:28:36] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[21:29:28] <sergefonville> :D[21:36:55] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[21:36:55] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou[21:53:22] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[22:02:32] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[22:12:48] *** mikw has joined #openindiana[22:12:54] *** Meths_ has joined #openindiana[22:14:09] *** Meths_ has quit IRC[22:15:03] *** Meths has quit IRC[22:17:56] *** Meths has joined #openindiana[22:17:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Meths[22:19:34] *** Bahman has joined #openindiana[22:19:45] <Bahman> Hi all![22:20:19] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[22:21:06] <raichoo> Bahman: Hi mate.[22:22:41] <Bahman> Now my OI feels very comfortable thanks to you guys. I'm glad I checked up on Solaris and finally got here.[22:22:53] <Bahman> Very helpful and friendly atmosphere.[22:22:57] <raichoo> Welcome aboard ;)[22:23:08] <sergefonville> why are there three smb services?[22:23:20] <lennard> someone killed my oi-testbox for parts :([22:23:40] <Bahman> Yes...thanks raichoo![22:23:50] * raichoo is currently setting up an OI hacklab @home[22:27:37] *** jedi4ever has joined #openindiana[22:28:09] *** bogus has left #openindiana[22:29:05] *** jedi4ever has quit IRC[22:36:33] *** scarcry has quit IRC[22:57:03] <Bahman> There's this annoying loud sound that I can't control with volume mixer; even if I mute all channels it's still there. It plays whenever for example I hit TAB (to autocomplete a command) twice.[22:57:30] <Bahman> How to disable it?[22:58:01] <sergefonville> is it a buzz?[22:58:12] <quasi> microphone perhaps?[22:58:55] <Bahman> Yes sergefonville. It's a buzz.[22:59:18] <Bahman> quasi: I doubt it's mic because it's not always out there like some noise. It's sort of an alert by OS.[23:01:42] <geoff_> That the key beep. Open preferences in Volume Control to enable the option. You get a new tab to control that volume.[23:02:53] <Bahman> Thank geoff_! I almost had a heart attack a few minutes ago when it buzzed loudly in my ears :-)[23:03:31] <alanc> the X server in S11X/OI has an, erm, "unexpected feature" where beeps are generated both via the audio device and the old keyboard builtin beeper (if present)[23:04:33] <geoff_> Does that go away in 1.10?[23:06:04] <alanc> no[23:12:29] <Bahman> Yes it's very "unexpected".[23:20:58] *** pjama has quit IRC[23:23:30] *** mikw has quit IRC[23:24:15] *** pothos has quit IRC[23:26:03] *** pothos_ has joined #openindiana[23:26:20] *** pothos_ is now known as pothos[23:39:57] <Bahman> There are 3 packages for tor in repos...[23:40:14] <Bahman> tor, SUNWtor (openindiana.org) and SUNWtor (opensolaris.org).[23:40:25] <Bahman> Which one should I install? Or it doesn't matter?[23:41:36] <richlowe> They're all the same package, SUNWtor was renamed to 'tor'[23:41:37] <richlowe>[23:41:57] <Bahman> Thanks richlowe.[23:44:15] <raichoo> Bahman: I'd recommend that you build that yourself.[23:44:58] <Bahman> Oh! Why?[23:45:12] <raichoo> How old are the packages?[23:45:45] <raichoo> There have been a lot of fixes for tor in the meantime.[23:46:35] <raichoo> Bahman: Building it is a piece of cake, you just need libevent. That's it.[23:46:52] <Bahman> I see. I'll build it myself then. Thanks for the advice.[23:47:04] <raichoo> sure thing[23:49:59] <sergefonville> does oi support failover with an aggr interface?[23:50:23] <tsoome> indeed[23:50:39] <sergefonville> how do I configure that then?[23:50:46] <sergefonville> since I made an aggr interface[23:50:49] <sergefonville> assigned an ip[23:50:52] <tsoome> you configure aggregation, thats it[23:50:58] <sergefonville> can ping that from the server itself[23:51:06] <sergefonville> but cannot from another system[23:51:21] <tsoome> you set interface to "up"?[23:51:28] <tsoome> did you*[23:52:09] <sergefonville> and I read somewhere that you need to configure lacp on the switch otherwise it won't work[23:52:15] <sergefonville> up didn't help[23:52:42] <tsoome> aggregation is also know as trunk. and yes, you need switch support for it.[23:53:34] <sergefonville> so if I configured aggr to be used, but I have only 1 port connected to a switch, I cannot ping the system?[23:53:35] <tsoome> if you have dumb switch, configure IPMP instead - plumb both/all interfaces and assign group name with ifconfig.[23:55:24] <sergefonville> how does oi aggr differ from linux bonding?[23:55:37] <sergefonville> since that worked flawless without lacp on the switch[23:56:54] <tsoome> guess they implemented ipmp like functionality in that bonding[23:57:30] <tsoome> I dont use linux, cant comment:P[23:58:55] <lennard> linux bonding does both 'dumb' bonding and lacp[23:58:58] <sergefonville> why is it required to have the switch also use lacp, are the ethenet commands different or anything?[23:58:58] <richlowe> Why would you use aggr's but only connect one port?[23:59:21] <sergefonville> during testing and setup[23:59:43] <tsoome> without switch support, you wont get real load balansing[23:59:46] <sergefonville> I have a switch ready for setup with lacp