June 1, 2011 
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June 1, 2011 [00:04:39] *** joffe has quit IRC[00:05:08] *** joffe has joined #openindiana[00:11:17] *** joffe has quit IRC[00:11:26] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[00:18:36] *** Micr0mega has quit IRC[00:25:34] *** Harold_parker has quit IRC[00:32:28] *** lyarick has quit IRC[00:34:16] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[00:38:40] *** moepmoep has joined #openindiana[00:38:54] *** buffyg has quit IRC[00:42:22] *** hajma has quit IRC[00:52:41] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[00:53:14] *** descipher_ has joined #openindiana[00:53:48] *** descipher has quit IRC[00:53:56] *** descipher_ is now known as descipher[01:00:34] *** idnaria has joined #openindiana[01:01:06] *** idnar has quit IRC[01:01:07] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[01:01:27] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[01:05:14] *** naxep has joined #openindiana[01:07:08] *** naxep has left #openindiana[01:19:02] *** hajma has quit IRC[01:20:50] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[01:21:51] *** dekar_ has quit IRC[01:22:33] *** |asp has joined #openindiana[01:27:54] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[01:29:43] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[01:34:15] *** DrLou has quit IRC[01:41:15] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[01:42:05] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[01:45:59] <Shadow__X> i was wondering if openindiana had drivers for a higihpoint rocket raid 2680sgl[01:46:06] <Shadow__X> there are drivers for linux and bsd[01:47:14] <jdoe> figure out what the chipset is, poke around on google. "No" is probably more likely than "yes" though.[01:47:49] <Shadow__X> jdoe: hmm really? what would increase the probability of having drivers for openindiana[01:48:48] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[01:49:25] *** Statts has joined #openindiana[01:51:28] <jdoe> Shadow__X: well there's the HCL.[01:51:36] *** joshua_ has quit IRC[01:52:15] <OniAtWork> A lot of drivers (in most F/OSS) OSes is what those who are qualified to write driver code have at their disposal[01:52:29] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[01:52:40] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[01:52:44] *** allanblack has quit IRC[01:52:52] *** dahlblom has quit IRC[01:53:10] *** yalu has quit IRC[01:53:20] *** dahlblom has joined #openindiana[01:53:22] <jdoe> Shadow__X: if you're just looking to install and see a disk rather than... writing your own, you can sometimes find consumer grade gear with the same chipsets.[01:53:28] *** DerSaidin has joined #openindiana[01:53:29] *** DerSaidin has joined #openindiana[01:53:34] <jdoe> rather than writing your own driver, I mean.[01:53:53] <Shadow__X> yeah i am not qualified to write my own driver[01:53:53] <OniAtWork> what REALLY gets it done, is when the vendor submits the driver... Like areca just did for some of their controllers[01:53:53] *** yalu has joined #openindiana[01:54:10] *** andygraybeal has quit IRC[01:54:18] *** allanblack has joined #openindiana[01:54:22] <Shadow__X> well highpoint give the source for its linux driver and i have sucessfully used that[01:54:36] <Shadow__X> but next time i should probably get a bigger brand drive[01:55:11] <OniAtWork> BSD divers would probibly be better, there are some licensing incompatibiliies between GPL and CDDL[01:55:58] <OniAtWork> read "are" as loosely as you like for a techie talking about law[01:56:20] <Shadow__X> right[01:56:33] <Shadow__X> this is the page for my card http://www.highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series_rr2600.htm but i will try to figure out the hcipset[01:56:56] <Shadow__X> Marvell 88SE6485[01:57:50] <OniAtWork> so you know, most of the raid cards alot of us use, are being used as little more then host-bus adapters[01:58:06] <Shadow__X> OniAtWork: yup i know i planned to use it the same way[01:58:17] <Shadow__X> i just needed extra ports and this card does jbod[01:58:26] <OniAtWork> ok, just makeing sure you know[01:58:42] <Shadow__X> yup on linux i used mdadm in a similar fashion[01:59:53] <OniAtWork> well, on oi-dev i was having a discussion about controllers, a number of us like the LSI9211 cards, although they are not the cheapest[02:00:24] *** allanblack has quit IRC[02:00:35] <Shadow__X> the card i bought was only 100 bucks. I wanted to get a nice 3 or 4 port sff 8087 card but i cant afford that right now[02:00:46] * OniAtWork nods[02:02:21] <OniAtWork> well when you are able to go that route, the 9211 series is what I would reccomend. I'm using it for production storage on a pre-OI release[02:04:11] *** Savis has quit IRC[02:04:43] <OniAtWork> well I think I'm going to get dinner and head home...[02:04:54] <Shadow__X> thanks for the help OniAtWork[02:05:06] <OniAtWork> np[02:05:06] *** tsoome has quit IRC[02:05:27] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[02:08:03] *** andygraybeal has joined #openindiana[02:09:22] *** hajma has quit IRC[02:09:38] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[02:11:59] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[02:12:00] *** joshua_ has joined #openindiana[02:13:41] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[02:16:34] *** |asp has quit IRC[02:23:11] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[02:23:37] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[02:24:53] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[02:31:02] *** joshua_ has quit IRC[02:31:02] *** joshua_ has joined #openindiana[02:35:08] *** idnaria is now known as idnar[02:43:48] *** akelling has quit IRC[02:57:31] *** land0 has joined #openindiana[03:00:31] *** land0 has quit IRC[03:09:19] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[03:10:49] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[03:13:25] *** redgone has joined #openindiana[03:27:34] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[03:33:24] *** freetown2 has joined #openindiana[03:56:46] *** Lynx` has joined #openindiana[03:57:37] <Lynx`> i've tried to boot OI from a usb stick with OpenSolaris Live USB Creator and it brings me to a black screen with the word GRUB in, whats wrong?[03:57:55] <Lynx`> in the official site it just says that there might be something wrong, oh herp derp, but what's exactly wrong?[03:59:57] *** lblume has quit IRC[04:02:27] *** Botanic has quit IRC[04:04:07] *** allanblack has joined #openindiana[04:04:33] <Lynx`> no1?[04:06:57] <edogawaconan> probably do created it wrong[04:07:19] <edogawaconan> *s/do/you[04:07:30] <oninoshiko> generally that means it cannot find the menu.lst[04:07:40] <Lynx`> well[04:07:43] <Lynx`> i'm on windows 7 anyway[04:07:58] <Lynx`> and yep, i am browsing the damn usb stick folder and theres nothing on it[04:07:59] <Lynx`> ew[04:08:07] <edogawaconan> I wouldn't trust windows for creating *nix live usb[04:08:10] * Lynx` is getting mad[04:08:26] <Lynx`> this is sad as f*[04:08:31] <Lynx`> i've spent hours downloading the iso[04:09:10] <edogawaconan> I haven't ever able to create bootable usb from oi iso[04:09:22] <Lynx`> uh[04:09:33] <Lynx`> i guess i'm just screwed then[04:09:51] <oninoshiko> : hasnt ever tried it. I tend to use optical media[04:09:58] <edogawaconan> just like what happened to me, I guess[04:10:08] <edogawaconan> I ended up downloading the usb image[04:10:14] <Shadow__X> the dd one is corrupt iirc[04:10:24] <Lynx`> i dont have any copy of cd/dvd and i need to get it installed today[04:10:24] <edogawaconan> it worked for me[04:10:25] <Lynx`> lol[04:10:28] <Lynx`> its like, 1 am here[04:10:43] <Lynx`> edogawaconan i've downloaded the usb iso[04:10:44] <Shadow__X> one of those does not pass the md5[04:10:47] <Lynx`> the one for windows[04:11:06] <Shadow__X> how does it take hours to download? upgrade that connection[04:11:29] <Lynx`> brazil sucks[04:11:30] <edogawaconan> Shadow__X: yes, the server one. But it's actually working (the listed md5 was for desktop version)[04:11:34] <Lynx`> anything else, sir?[04:11:57] <Shadow__X> ah ok[04:13:06] <oninoshiko> I would try it on XP if you have access to an XP machine there. I seem to have come across reports of 7's security enhancments getting in the way of many things.[04:13:25] <Lynx`> unfortunately i dont have a copy of xp[04:13:28] <Lynx`> just seven[04:13:44] <oninoshiko> WRT to anything windows related, I would also advise you to take me with a shaker of salt.[04:14:18] <Lynx`> w.e, fml[04:15:12] <oninoshiko> if you have access to any kind of *nix machine, maybe useing dd would work[04:15:40] <edogawaconan> at least on osol 134, it didn't work[04:17:13] <Lynx`> obit_sweden[04:17:14] <Lynx`> oops[04:17:24] <Lynx`> oninoshiko it'd take ages to dl the new image for unix machines[04:17:37] <Lynx`> imma just try it next month, tired[04:17:52] <edogawaconan> but it's next month already here[04:18:05] <edogawaconan> :D[04:18:06] <oninoshiko> sorry, sleep well[04:18:50] <Lynx`> lolol[04:19:13] <Lynx`> i feel hitting my keyboard randomly just like POKPKSDKSKSDKLDSKSDKÇWEKLEÇLKWEÇKWLEÇKLWEKLWEKÇLWEKLWEÇKL cuz i've spent hours downloading it for, hum, nuttin[04:19:39] <Lynx`> its just, just, just, just, sad!!1[04:19:49] <edogawaconan> I know how it feels like[04:19:59] <oninoshiko> I reccomened swaring at the machine.... maybe you can intimidate it.[04:20:00] <Lynx`> feels like i've failed lol[04:20:14] <edogawaconan> at least with freebsd I can install it using virtualbox[04:20:20] <Lynx`> i should just hit the machine with a hammer[04:20:21] <edogawaconan> but that can't be done for oi[04:20:36] <Lynx`> i'm going to install freebsd 8.0 now, got the iso[04:20:40] <Lynx`> it works great with unetbootin[04:21:03] <edogawaconan> :/[04:21:17] <edogawaconan> just don't forget to upgrade to 8.2[04:21:28] <oninoshiko> you could try useing that to make the USB[04:21:47] <edogawaconan> I don't believe a bootable usb can be created from oi iso[04:21:56] *** edogawaconan has quit IRC[04:22:29] <Lynx`> :/[04:23:49] *** edogawaconan has joined #openindiana[04:25:20] *** Lynx` has quit IRC[04:26:55] *** POloser has joined #openindiana[04:32:14] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[04:32:14] *** Botanic has quit IRC[04:32:15] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[04:32:47] *** magyar has quit IRC[04:34:06] <oninoshiko> you know what enhancement zfs needs? recursive rollback (not that it can't be done with a script)[04:36:05] <bdha> That reminds me...[04:36:17] <bdha> richlowe: Hey, who wants to add immutable pools and datasets? :)[04:36:27] <oninoshiko> lol[04:36:53] <bdha> Pool/dataset property that, when enabled, causes zpool|zfs destroy to fail.[04:36:56] <bdha> That's all.[04:36:58] <oninoshiko> glad to be you crutch there, bdha[04:37:05] <bdha> :)[04:37:27] <oninoshiko> i could see that being useful though[04:37:41] <bdha> I thought so, when I submitted the bug three years ago.[04:37:42] <bdha> :p[04:44:13] <edogawaconan> I'd like a block pointer rewrite[04:53:51] <richlowe> bdha: nexenta have something like that, don't they?[05:02:06] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[05:03:49] *** Krystal has quit IRC[05:09:13] *** krystal_ has joined #openindiana[05:10:03] *** krystal_ is now known as Krystal[05:16:25] *** miine has quit IRC[05:16:52] <DrLou> edogawaconan: did you ever get the USB booting?[05:19:39] *** DrLou has quit IRC[05:20:00] *** Shadow__X has left #openindiana[05:20:17] *** Statts has quit IRC[05:20:36] *** Botanic has quit IRC[05:21:09] *** redgone has quit IRC[05:21:17] *** Statts has joined #openindiana[05:22:39] *** miine has joined #openindiana[05:54:59] *** hunter has quit IRC[06:13:04] *** |asp has joined #openindiana[06:26:46] *** hudnix has quit IRC[06:40:12] *** radsy has quit IRC[06:40:51] *** kart_ has quit IRC[06:41:55] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[06:42:41] *** |asp has quit IRC[06:45:30] *** |asp has joined #openindiana[07:19:39] *** EFree has joined #openindiana[07:26:33] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[07:32:49] *** kart_ has quit IRC[07:42:10] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[07:45:45] *** |asp has quit IRC[08:01:53] *** hajma has quit IRC[08:02:00] *** descipher has quit IRC[08:02:33] *** descipher has joined #openindiana[08:09:04] *** joffe has joined #openindiana[08:12:10] <freetown2> join #opennms[08:12:16] <freetown2> oops[08:20:16] <sickness> ?[08:20:52] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[08:21:16] <freetown2> dumb slash...[08:21:37] <freetown2> i wonder if sfw will take rrdtool...[08:47:21] *** Micr0mega has joined #openindiana[08:55:59] *** geoff_ has quit IRC[08:57:45] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[08:57:57] *** geoff_ has joined #openindiana[09:02:58] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[09:12:00] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:17:30] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[09:17:37] *** Krystal has quit IRC[09:27:18] *** Naresh has quit IRC[09:29:14] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[09:34:34] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[09:34:34] *** Botanic has quit IRC[09:34:34] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[09:35:03] *** Micr0mega has quit IRC[09:35:22] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[09:36:15] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:37:34] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[09:38:29] *** lkocman has joined #openindiana[09:39:51] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[09:41:48] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[09:42:42] *** OniAtWork has quit IRC[09:42:56] *** OniAtWork has joined #openindiana[09:49:18] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[09:58:15] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[09:59:06] *** Tenzer|off is now known as Tenzer|work[09:59:27] *** Micr0mega has joined #openindiana[10:04:20] *** EFree has quit IRC[10:06:02] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[10:10:49] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[10:15:43] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[10:16:08] *** robinbowes has joined #openindiana[10:16:29] <leoric> Hello. I still have the same problem with dev-il repository. It seems to me, that this is not a network problem, but something related to dev-il repository:[10:16:29] <leoric> # pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev/ openindiana.org[10:16:29] <leoric> # pkg publisher[10:16:29] <leoric> PUBLISHER TYPE STATUS URI[10:16:29] <leoric> openindiana.org (preferred) origin online http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev/[10:16:30] <leoric> # pkg set-publisher -O http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/ openindiana.org[10:16:30] <leoric> pkg set-publisher: Could not refresh the catalog for openindiana.org[10:16:31] <leoric>[10:16:31] <leoric> 1: Framework error: code: 28 reason: Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 30 seconds[10:16:32] <leoric> URL: 'http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/openindiana.org/catalog/1/catalog.summary.C'. (happened 4 times)[10:16:32] <leoric> 2: Framework error: code: 28 reason: Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 30 seconds[10:16:33] <leoric> URL: 'http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/openindiana.org/catalog/1/catalog.base.C'. (happened 4 times)[10:16:33] <leoric> 3: Framework error: code: 28 reason: Operation too slow. Less than 1024 bytes/sec transfered the last 30 seconds[10:16:34] <leoric> URL: 'http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/openindiana.org/catalog/1/catalog.dependency.C'. (happened 4 times)[10:19:40] <DeanoC> i've seen that, but went away next time for me[10:19:58] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[10:23:37] *** Whoopsie has joined #openindiana[10:23:37] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Whoopsie[10:25:45] *** McBofh has quit IRC[10:26:17] *** tsukasa has joined #openindiana[10:26:17] *** tsukasa has joined #openindiana[10:37:54] <leoric> Is any way to download dev-il repository via rsync and setup it locally?[10:38:44] <tsoome> google for ipkg repository mirrors[10:39:08] <Alasdairrr> we can supply a tarball of the repo[10:39:22] <Alasdairrr> we have them here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/repos/[10:40:00] <leoric> It would be nice to get dev-il tatball[10:40:12] <Alasdairrr> leoric: may i ask why?[10:40:20] <Alasdairrr> oh[10:40:22] <Alasdairrr> i just read up[10:40:55] <Alasdairrr> leoric: do you have ipv6?[10:40:58] <leoric> no[10:41:16] <Alasdairrr> actually we haven't shipped a quad A record for pkg.oi.o yet[10:41:19] <Alasdairrr> hmm[10:41:46] <Alasdairrr> leoric: what happens if you "wget http://pkg.openindiana.org/dev-il/openindiana.org/catalog/1/catalog.summary.C"[10:41:57] <Alasdairrr> could you pastebin the output[10:42:06] <Alasdairrr> also can you pastebin the output of "traceroute pkg.openindiana.org"[10:43:43] <Botanic> bdha, you can import destroyed pools so being able to prevent there destruction isnt that huge a deal i spose[10:46:31] <leoric> http://pastebin.com/cnYDUm44[10:47:04] <leoric> wget stalls[10:47:37] <Botanic> you can ping it tho?[10:47:42] <leoric> yes[10:48:14] <Botanic> looks to be a httpd problem[10:48:20] <Alasdairrr> that's very odd[10:48:31] <leoric> the most interesting: I can use /dev repo (at least pkg refresh)[10:48:34] <Alasdairrr> *logs into pkg.oi.o*[10:49:00] <Botanic> you happen to have the gui installed?[10:49:04] <leoric> no[10:49:11] <Botanic> lynx maby?[10:49:28] <Botanic> or some other web browser[10:49:41] <Alasdairrr> leoric: could you retry the wget, I just restarted apache[10:49:41] <Botanic> would be intresting to see if you can browse via http and a browser[10:50:12] <leoric> wget stalls[10:50:47] <leoric> Yesterday I made one experiment: connected server to public network (gave it public ip) - the same result[10:51:40] <Alasdairrr> leoric: could you /msg me your ip address[10:51:49] <Alasdairrr> i'm looking in the apache logs and i'm not sure which connections are you[10:52:34] <Alasdairrr> does it begin 195. or 98 ?[10:52:36] <leoric> one moment,[10:52:42] <leoric> 195.208.something[10:53:09] <Alasdairrr> well you're showing up in the logs[10:54:07] <Alasdairrr> okay i've restarted pkg.depotd[10:54:12] <Alasdairrr> would you mind trying again?[10:54:17] <leoric> ok[10:54:27] <leoric> wget stalled[10:54:34] <Alasdairrr> lame[10:54:49] <leoric> pkg too[10:55:33] <tsoome> you sure your network setup is ok, no MTU issues etc?[10:55:55] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[10:56:50] <Botanic> try google.com or something[10:57:15] <leoric> you are right, mtu... I don't understand, why it worked for pkg-2.de.openindiana.org[10:57:37] <Botanic> think 8gb is enough for a OI boot drive?[10:57:47] <Alasdairrr> leoric: all fixed now?[10:57:52] <Botanic> or should i go with 16gb?[10:58:05] <leoric> I'd like to check , where mtu settings are wrong.[10:58:06] <Alasdairrr> got a firewall/router discarding ICMP? i can't ping your IP[10:58:13] <tsoome> 16gb at least.[10:58:15] <Alasdairrr> ICMP is required for the internet to work properly[10:58:15] <leoric> It's nat[10:58:20] <Alasdairrr> like, packet too big etc[10:59:06] <leoric> one question: how to set df bit in Solaris ping?[10:59:11] <tsoome> the actual space needed is less, but you wanna have space for alternate BE's, downloaded packages etc, also with 16GB you certainly need to switch off package cache.[11:01:54] <lblume> package cache can really be a pain anyway :-/[11:02:46] <tsoome> pkg set flush-content-cache-on-success =True[11:03:14] <tsoome> check the actual syntax tho;)[11:03:23] <tsoome> this is working quite nicely[11:03:31] <lblume> I know, but you actually need the success. You can do it before.[11:03:40] <lblume> can'T[11:03:58] <tsoome> ye, but you can add some tiny package after that. and then remove[11:04:17] <lblume> Yes. Last time, the tiny package add took 2h30.[11:04:27] <lblume> 2 fscking hours and a half.[11:04:28] <tsoome> some of those pointless gnu editors or something like tha;)[11:04:30] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[11:04:52] <lblume> That was the time it took to delete about 1 GB of cache.[11:05:04] <lblume> Slowlaris is back.[11:05:18] <tsoome> ?[11:05:41] <tsoome> buy some real computer:D[11:05:42] <tsoome> hehe[11:05:53] <lblume> It's not a sparc![11:05:55] *** bens1 has quit IRC[11:06:02] <tsoome> well, actually, even my ages old W2100z hasnt been that slow[11:06:23] <tsoome> but it got scsi disks inside, i have to admit[11:07:16] <Botanic> anyone used Ethernet 10GBase-T - RJ-45?[11:07:52] <Alasdairrr> i noticed there are nics and switches coming onto the market with that[11:07:54] <lblume> tsoome: Maybe you had done it earlier than I had. I think I forgot to enable that before I did the b134 -> S11X upgrade,[11:08:04] <Alasdairrr> The last time I looked it was all SFP+ AF-DA stuff[11:08:04] <Botanic> looking at a http://www.intel.com/Products/Server/Adapters/esa-x520-t2/ethernet-esa-x520-t2-overview.htm[11:08:14] <tsoome> i did it somewhere in opensolaris era[11:08:41] <lblume> Yes. Someone not immediately aware of it is in for a nice surprise later on.[11:09:09] <tsoome> this machine has seen s10 express program and then sxce, then opensolaris, currently with s11 express[11:09:17] <lblume> People who don't exclude the directory from their backups, too.[11:11:45] <Botanic> anyone see any reason that card wouldnt work?[11:11:47] <leoric> thank all for help. After dinner I'm going to investigate mtu problem further: it's interesting is it something in local network or not...[11:12:22] *** Protux has joined #openindiana[11:13:20] <Alasdairrr> leoric: it's most likely local - thousands of people use pkg.oi.o[11:13:22] <tsoome> you can try with downloads from different sites - some iso from genunix.org etc. if most of them are broken, you certainly have local issue[11:14:22] <Alasdairrr> potentially we could lower the mtu from 1500 to something lower to help people in your situation[11:14:25] <tsoome> usual suspect is misconfigured firewall, where ICMP is blocked, because its evil;)[11:14:47] <Alasdairrr> leoric: could you retry the wget, I've lowered the mtu to 1400 down from 1500[11:16:38] *** Vutral has quit IRC[11:21:26] *** phi1ipb has joined #openindiana[11:21:41] *** phi1ipb has joined #openindiana[11:22:34] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[11:25:12] <Alasdairrr> leoric: did it work? If not I would like to put the mtu back to 1500[11:29:16] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[11:31:44] <leoric> It works now (I set mtu to 1500 and made " pkg refresh --full")[11:33:32] <tsoome> so its definitely mtu issue - or rather icmp, because mtu changes are negotiated with icmp[11:34:14] <tsoome> responses you get are not passed trough your firewall(s)[11:35:25] <leoric> we are supposed to have mtu 1500 in internal network...[11:36:42] *** philhar has joined #openindiana[11:37:00] <tsoome> yes, internal is 1500, but the issue is with connection to outside world, esp if you have any kind of tunnels[11:38:26] <tsoome> if you have tunneled setup, or pppoe or something, the real payload will have less than 1500 mtu, usually somewhere around 1400, and the routers need to negotiate that - thats the place where icmp is used[11:38:45] <tsoome> if your firewall will block all icmp, no negotiation can be done[11:39:13] <tsoome> the result is that small packages will pass, but larger one will disappear[11:39:33] *** ksx4system has quit IRC[11:42:03] *** ksx4system has joined #openindiana[11:42:14] <leoric> I'm just behind nat. Network between me and router accepts (or at least is supposed to) 1500 bytes packets....[11:43:43] <tsoome> you can do simple experiment - remove the nat and connect your OI host with "external" ip, if that will resolve the issue, then your nat setup was the issue.[11:44:00] <tsoome> if not, then the real cause is elsewhere[11:44:11] <leoric> I tried yesterday - didn't help[11:44:24] <tsoome> so the nat is not issue[11:45:11] <tsoome> did you test other download sites?[11:45:29] <tsoome> like http://genunix.org/[11:45:46] <Whoopsie> the connection is still going through the router, though, and if the router is dropping all ICMP, then MTU path discovery will fail[11:46:02] <Whoopsie> nat or no nat, you've still got a physical box that connects your LAN to the Internet[11:46:14] <tsoome> icmp type 3, 11 and 12 should be allowed.[11:47:39] <tsoome> for example http://www.richweb.com/icmp_filter but there are loads of docs around for this topic.[11:48:22] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[11:52:59] *** lkocman is now known as lkocman_afk[12:07:18] *** philhar has quit IRC[12:15:40] *** philhar has joined #openindiana[12:16:08] <philhar> Hi. I had an issue where I couldn't see all my sas hbas. So I rmed /etc/devices/* and rebooted[12:16:14] <philhar> now cfgadm shows all 3[12:16:34] <philhar> but one has a condition as "failed"[12:16:43] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:17:02] <philhar> is there anything I can do? All 3 work fine in a live cd[12:19:24] *** buffyg has joined #openindiana[12:21:28] <philhar> cfgadm -c configure c6[12:21:32] <philhar> doesn't work[12:23:54] *** hsp has joined #openindiana[12:37:28] <tomww> philhar: there is a method of moving the devices configured on a live cd to the disk.[12:37:29] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[12:38:16] <tomww> you only have to be carefull with rpool to record the right device paths[12:38:34] <tomww> this isnt complete, but something like that:[12:39:30] <tomww> disk:/dev/cfg/ /dev/dsk/ /dev/rdsk/ /etc/path_to_inst remove the symlinks and file[12:40:48] <tomww> then copy over from the lvecd livecd:/ those links[12:41:59] <tomww> find /dev/dsk /dev/rdsk /dev/cfg | cpio -umdvp /a/ (with /a/ the mountpoint of your rpool)[12:42:22] *** btQuark has quit IRC[12:42:51] <leoric> I understood that my problems were related to vlan configuration. I'd like to set mtu 1496 on vnic, but can't... http://pastebin.com/QALxVfGa[12:43:01] <tomww> your mounting of rpool should already have the right devicepaths recorded as you are copying over thos from the live cd[12:43:01] *** btQuark has joined #openindiana[12:43:36] <leoric> I can set mtu to 1496 with ifconfig, but how can I make it to persist after reboot?[12:43:39] <tomww> this procedure about could anyways render you systm unbootable (TM). you've been warned :-)[12:43:53] <philhar> seems like a work around? surely there is a way to configure the scsi-sas hba?[12:44:11] <tomww> philhar: you've changed then?[12:44:28] <tomww> *them[12:44:41] <philhar> no but 1 is showing up in cfgadm[12:44:50] <philhar> but shown as unconfigured and "failed"[12:45:07] <tomww> the hbas are recorded in path_to_inst, have symlinks to the physical path in /dev/cfg/[12:45:23] <tomww> then cfgadm command you wrote enables them[12:45:26] <leoric> # ndd /dev/net/webservShared0 default_mtu[12:45:27] <leoric> operation failed: Operation not supported[12:45:40] <tomww> after that cfgadm enables the disk on that hba[12:46:11] <tomww> philhar: most likely you have to throw away references to the old hbas[12:46:26] <philhar> possibly[12:46:34] <tomww> you can compare the symlink targets between live and disk[12:46:43] <philhar> cfgadm -c configure c0[12:46:47] <philhar> does nothing :([12:47:13] <tomww> "I" would edit out all reference in pathtoinst, remove all stale symlinks[12:47:21] <tomww> then reconfigure boot[12:47:46] <tomww> solaris ever uses fresh numbers if the old are blocked with stale targets[12:48:02] <tomww> so you could have c7 c8 c9 now[12:48:47] <philhar> c0 c8 c9[12:49:12] <philhar> c0 is the one that is showing as condition "failed"[12:49:30] <philhar> I did replace a HBA a while ago[12:49:36] <philhar> so you're logic may be correct[12:51:33] <philhar> where is this path_to_inst file that I need to edit?[12:51:57] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:53:31] <philhar> ah in /etc/[12:53:37] <philhar> can I just rm this file and reboot?[12:56:04] *** hugo has joined #openindiana[12:58:06] <philhar> the file symlink in /dev/cfg for c0 is red[12:58:37] <philhar> so I guess its not there... question is how to I force it to re-enumerate all the HBAs?[12:59:02] <leoric> why can't I change mtu on vnic with dladm? it says: operation not supported...[13:01:07] <philhar> whats is your command?[13:01:25] <philhar> dladm set-linkprop -p mtu=X <device>[13:01:41] <leoric> yes[13:01:54] <philhar> what is your nic driver?[13:02:07] <leoric> and it says:[13:02:10] <leoric> # dladm set-linkprop -p mtu=1496 webservShared0 dladm: warning: cannot set link property 'mtu' on 'webservShared0': operation not supported[13:02:23] <leoric> it is vnic[13:03:20] *** lkocman_afk is now known as lkocman[13:06:34] <leoric> underlying interface is bnx0[13:07:38] *** moepmoep has quit IRC[13:09:15] <leoric> I can't even set mtu on bnx0: # dladm set-linkprop -p mtu=1496 bnx0 dladm: warning: cannot set link property 'mtu' on 'bnx0': operation not supported[13:10:59] <leoric> however, I can set mtu with ifconfig[13:12:59] <tsoome> the interface needs to be unplumbed to set linkprop[13:13:16] <miine> Hi. having a real strange problem. booted from oi 148 live. beadm list shows two BEs, but only the first could be mounted via beadm mount.[13:14:00] *** tomww has quit IRC[13:14:00] <miine> trying to mount the active ("R") one won't work as beadm says "doesn't exist." ...[13:15:12] <miine> those two beadm are one the HD's rpool which I imported. the problem is that booting into the second BE will hang the system.[13:16:20] <miine> Is there another way to mount the BE so I can take a look at the logs why it failed booting?[13:17:10] <leoric> the same result after unplumbing and set-linkprop[13:17:29] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[13:24:43] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[13:38:12] *** phi1ipb has quit IRC[13:49:08] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[13:50:54] <leoric> finally I just added mtu 1496 parameter to /etc/hostname.oihost1 and this helped[13:53:58] <tsoome> that would do ofc, but the thing is, all your hosts have the same issue;)[13:56:18] <Botanic> ya id look at your routers ect[13:56:26] <Botanic> thats where the real issue is at[13:56:28] <Botanic> prolly[13:56:39] <Botanic> that or your upstream[13:57:11] <leoric> but this is not a network issue, it's something with OI configuration (FreeBSD in the same network works OK without such tweaks)[13:57:45] <Botanic> doesnt mean its not a network issue[13:58:04] <Botanic> do some packet captures[13:58:14] <Botanic> that will show the root of the problem[14:02:15] <philhar> Is there anyway to enable VNC server via ssh on a oi livecd?[14:02:47] *** Botanic has quit IRC[14:06:07] <miine> philhar: what about svcadm ?[14:06:53] <philhar> vnc-config:default appears to be online[14:08:03] <philhar> doesn't seem to be running on port 5900[14:11:58] *** philhar has quit IRC[14:17:04] <leoric> set 1500 mtu for vnic, 1504 for bnx0 (in /kernel/drv/bnx.conf). It seems that now I don't have mtu problem.[14:18:23] <tsoome> 1504?![14:18:51] <leoric> yes - 1500+4 for vlan id[14:19:25] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[14:20:54] <leoric> It looks strange. On FreeBSD hosts I see the same 1500 mtu on both real interface and vlan interface, and this works as expected....[14:21:59] *** POloser has left #openindiana[14:25:46] <leoric> at least tcpdump sees 1500 length packages:[14:25:46] <leoric> 16:23:43.561302 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 199, offset 0, flags [+], proto ICMP (1), length 1500)[14:25:46] <leoric> uginfo-c1.r61.net > oihost1.mgmt.r61.net: ICMP echo reply, id 1131, seq 124, length 1480[14:25:46] <leoric> 16:23:43.561305 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 199, offset 1480, flags [none], proto ICMP (1), length 48)[14:25:47] <leoric> uginfo-c1.r61.net > oihost1.mgmt.r61.net: icmp[14:25:47] <leoric> 16:23:44.560065 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 200, offset 0, flags [+, DF], proto ICMP (1), length 1500)[14:25:47] <leoric> oihost1.mgmt.r61.net > uginfo-c1.r61.net: ICMP echo request, id 1131, seq 125, length 1480[14:25:48] <leoric> 16:23:44.560082 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 200, offset 1480, flags [DF], proto ICMP (1), length 48)[14:25:48] <leoric> oihost1.mgmt.r61.net > uginfo-c1.r61.net: icmp[14:25:49] <leoric> 16:23:44.561006 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 255, id 200, offset 0, flags [+], proto ICMP (1), length 1500)[14:25:49] <leoric> uginfo-c1.r61.net > oihost1.mgmt.r61.net: ICMP echo reply, id 1131, seq 125, length 1480[14:27:52] <tsoome> try with some hot outside your net[14:28:03] <tsoome> your domain*[14:32:44] *** kart_ has quit IRC[14:33:28] *** hudnix has joined #openindiana[14:33:56] *** buffyg has quit IRC[14:34:04] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[14:38:28] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[14:47:13] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[14:48:46] <nettezzaumana> servus[14:48:55] *** krystal_ has joined #openindiana[14:54:23] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[15:05:55] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[15:06:22] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[15:16:13] *** skeeziks has joined #openindiana[15:21:47] *** buffyg has joined #openindiana[15:36:02] *** leoric has left #openindiana[15:40:41] *** moepmoep has joined #openindiana[15:48:13] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[15:55:22] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[15:56:06] *** Protux has quit IRC[15:57:48] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[16:01:19] *** c00p has quit IRC[16:03:44] *** elgar has quit IRC[16:04:47] *** c00p has joined #openindiana[16:07:59] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[16:09:05] *** robinbowes has quit IRC[16:09:16] *** robinbowes has joined #openindiana[16:13:35] *** skeeziks has joined #openindiana[16:21:51] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:24:56] *** alcir has quit IRC[16:26:06] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[16:26:43] *** elgar has quit IRC[16:29:19] *** descipher_ has joined #openindiana[16:29:53] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[16:30:04] *** descipher has quit IRC[16:30:06] <miine> I think I've found a serious bug in oi 148: network/ssh depends on filesystem/local . if there is another pool besides rpool which doesn't mount ALL of its datasets (because a directory is not empty etc.), filesystem/local fails and network/ssh won't be enabled. But in my case the dataset which fails to mount isn't used for ssh anyway...[16:30:14] *** descipher_ is now known as descipher[16:30:30] <lblume> It has been like that since forever.[16:30:45] <miine> lblume: oh. that makes me feel better ;-)[16:31:09] <lblume> You are free to remove the dependency if you want...[16:31:16] <miine> lblume: no serious: thats shit. without any physical access you;re lost...[16:31:18] <lblume> Beauty of SMF :-)[16:31:31] <felicity_> you don't need physical access, just console access[16:31:41] <felicity_> and if you don't have console access, that's the least of your problems[16:31:46] <lblume> Yes, I know, I've had the issue from time to time for years. I still kept it this way.[16:32:06] <miine> felicity_: how do I have console access if the machine is 400km away?[16:32:29] <lblume> Mine is 700kms away. I win![16:32:31] <felicity_> miine: console server, IPMI, service processor, IP KVM...[16:32:51] <Whoopsie> Mine are in another continent ;-) ALOMs and ILOMs FTW[16:33:09] <miine> felicity_: no IP KVM. but I should have enabled IMPI so that I could reboot it...[16:33:13] <felicity_> i manage an entire network in another country without physical access. only time anyone needs to be on site is installing hardware[16:33:52] <lblume> Whoopsie: Well, I used to be on another continent too, but I got closer :-)[16:34:07] <Whoopsie> lblume: heh, I want to get further away from that client ;-)[16:34:17] *** toshi has joined #openindiana[16:34:59] <lblume> who cares about physical anyway? Only good measure of distance is network latency ;-)[16:35:13] <miine> back to the issue: shouldn't network ssh depend on filesystem/minimal instead? would that include the rpool and the default's users home of an oi installation?[16:36:45] <felicity_> miine: that will break if, for example, you use a PAM module to create home directories and your /home fails to mount, so it creates the directories inside the mountpoint.[16:36:58] <felicity_> you can change it if you want, but i think the default should be conservative[16:37:14] <lblume> Yep. And considers it *is* easy to change.[16:39:02] <miine> I agree that it is easy to change. the problem is that I can imagine that I'm not the first one beaten by this. A warning or something like this would be nice. It's a real bummer not having access anymore...[16:40:15] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[16:40:51] <bdha> (serial console)++[16:41:17] *** buffyg_ has joined #openindiana[16:43:21] <lblume> what kind of warning? Maybe it could be detailed more in sshd(1M), but it is easy to see with svcs -d[16:44:05] <felicity_> hm... to be fair, a new user wouldn't necessarily even think to check svcs -d[16:44:14] <felicity_> but i'm not sure where this could sensibly be warned about either[16:44:18] <miine> lblume: I would even say it should be an option in the installer.[16:44:51] *** krystal_ is now known as Krystal[16:45:02] <miine> lblume: so the default BE's network/ssh depends either on filesystem/minimal or filesystem/local ...[16:45:46] <Whoopsie> How will a new user know what the ramifications of that are?[16:46:09] <lblume> It would need a whole bunch of explanation on why it can be bad. Adding such nitpicky details at install time is not helpful.[16:46:10] <miine> Whoopsie: how about an info text eplaining it?[16:46:22] <Whoopsie> You'll have people saying they've found a serious bug in OI because PAM breaks or something?[16:46:33] <lblume> Yay, like you read all info text you get to read on install? :-P[16:46:49] <felicity_> i don't like the idea of putting it in the installer, it's an edge case and if we put that in, the installer will end up being 200 steps long[16:46:56] <felicity_> documenting it somewhere is probably fine[16:47:03] <miine> Come on. That would be like complaining about asking for the first user and password...[16:47:16] <felicity_> hardly. every system needs users. very few need this[16:47:17] <lblume> clickclickclickcrash duh? /join #openindiana /msg I've found a bug![16:47:35] <Edgeman> how long before a Sparc ISO is released?[16:50:16] <miine> felicity_: its a very serious edge case. I had 3 days no access to the machine, then had to find what went wrong... didn't thought that the failure was on that point.[16:51:23] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[16:54:22] * Tenzer|work is now away: I am not online right now, but you can leave me a /msg[16:54:24] *** Tenzer|work is now known as Tenzer|off[16:54:53] <miine> can sshd be restricted to a set of users? if that's the case (via the config file) it would be possible to let the sshd startup script look if filesystem/local & aufofs are running or not and use the appropriate config file...[16:55:32] *** elgar has quit IRC[16:56:51] <felicity_> some kind of ssh (or ssl) based network console might be interesting[16:56:56] <miine> in case something went wrong the first user (in case its home is still on the rpool) could still login. if the admin then resolves the issue he can restart network/ssh and then all other users hopefully can log in. but at least there is ssh access to the machine...[16:57:11] <felicity_> you can't rely on PAM or NSS working though, so it would need a different way to authenticate[16:58:01] <Whoopsie> so .... you're basically describing a remote console?[16:58:02] *** Micr0mega has left #openindiana[16:58:06] <miine> felicity_: I didn't bind the global zone anyway to ldap as I did with the others...[16:58:28] <felicity_> well i'm thinking of something that would be useful to many users, not just you ;)[16:59:30] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[17:00:02] <miine> at least my machine is running again. thought that something really bad happend to it...[17:00:47] <miine> now I'm changing the dependencies :-)[17:02:21] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[17:02:30] *** lkocman has quit IRC[17:04:03] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[17:04:12] *** freedomrun has joined #openindiana[17:07:53] *** obit_sweden has left #openindiana[17:11:24] *** kart_ has quit IRC[17:12:45] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[17:15:39] *** amelin has quit IRC[17:17:06] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[17:18:14] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:19:08] *** freedomrun has quit IRC[17:21:50] *** ShadowHntr has joined #openindiana[17:23:50] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[17:24:32] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[17:24:33] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[17:28:16] *** amelin has joined #openindiana[17:29:29] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[17:33:20] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC[17:33:27] *** OniAtWork has quit IRC[17:40:45] *** elgar has quit IRC[17:42:47] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[17:47:12] *** hugo has quit IRC[17:55:54] *** Statts has quit IRC[17:57:58] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:03:06] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[18:10:07] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[18:13:45] <Savis> btw that openfiler file server project is A++ guys worked out perfect.[18:13:53] <Savis> err still waking up[18:13:56] <Savis> openindiana.[18:14:11] <DeanoC> :)[18:14:25] <Savis> im working on an openfiler issue atm lol[18:17:00] *** pasik_ is now known as pasik[18:24:07] *** Naresh has quit IRC[18:24:20] *** Alasdairrr is now known as AlasAway[18:29:03] *** dekar has joined #openindiana[18:30:02] *** Whoopsie has quit IRC[18:45:29] *** bens1 has quit IRC[18:49:40] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[19:01:36] *** McBofh has quit IRC[19:03:40] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[19:07:46] *** tsukasa has quit IRC[19:11:52] *** Naresh has joined #openindiana[19:16:26] *** nbprashanth has joined #openindiana[19:20:23] *** kart_ has quit IRC[19:21:42] *** yalu has quit IRC[19:21:48] *** tsukasa has joined #openindiana[19:23:11] *** yalu has joined #openindiana[19:24:08] *** McBofh has quit IRC[19:25:23] *** fossala has joined #openindiana[19:27:22] <fossala> Does anyone know when 151 Isos are going to be released. I've got a server ariving tommorow and would like to try openindiana on it.[19:28:01] <tsoome> you can try with any build and update when its ready.[19:29:19] <fossala> I've also heard zfs is ram hungry. I've got 16GB how much will it likely take up?[19:30:09] <fossala> It's only a home server so it won't be under too much load.[19:32:07] *** gea_ has joined #openindiana[19:32:25] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[19:35:35] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[19:37:43] <DeanoC> fossala: unless you use dedup or have massive drives 16GiB is plenty[19:37:57] <DeanoC> i've got 16TB on 8GiB without any problem[19:38:10] <DeanoC> more memory is largely just more cache[19:38:26] <DeanoC> dedup uses lots, though[19:38:27] <tsoome> zfs is not ram hungry, unless you consider the requirement of 64MB to be ram hungry[19:38:55] <tsoome> bur, it will use your free ram and will benefit from it.[19:39:10] <tsoome> but*[19:40:44] <nahamu> I have a server with 8TB of disk using 12 GiB of RAM and I'm quite satisfied with it.[19:41:05] <nahamu> So I imagine a home server with 16GiB of RAM should run quite nicely[19:41:09] <gsyoungblood> I do have a question about dedup. It would be useful to have dedup on about 1-2 tb, but i don't need it on the rest of the storage available on the server. i thought dedup could be enabled just on the filesystems you want it, and reduce the memory hit that comes with it. do i have that right?[19:41:12] <Savis> so hrmm going back to figgureing out how to bring up gnome using startx any pointers?[19:41:44] <DeanoC> gsyoungblood: yes you can control i on a filesystem basis and a TB or 2 doesn't use too much RAM[19:41:57] <nahamu> I thought that deduplication is pool-wide, but enabled on a per-filesystem basis.[19:42:34] <fossala> Thanks for the info.[19:42:39] <gsyoungblood> in my case i can create just the pool i want and leave the rest of the disks in another pool[19:43:00] <gsyoungblood> so if it's pool wide i can still manage it (at least in this use case).[19:43:03] <DeanoC> Savis: use mean not just using svcadm enable gdm[19:43:20] <Savis> gdm is disabled[19:43:25] <Savis> i prefer my servers to boot to a console[19:43:32] <fossala> Is it advised to use dedup. My server is only for Movies, music and backed up code.[19:43:55] <tsoome> no not really.[19:44:08] <tsoome> best application for dedup is backup storage[19:44:08] <DeanoC> dedup is usually only something to use in specific use cases[19:44:12] <tsoome> not filesystem[19:44:25] <tsoome> average filesystem*[19:44:28] <DeanoC> most users its not worth the cost at the moment (tho that may change in future)[19:44:36] <fossala> tsoome: Thanks.[19:45:02] <gsyoungblood> DeanoC - server has 8gb RAM. and probably will have total of about 4 to 8 tb (8 to 14 drives) when I'm done. of that I only need 1-2 tb with dedup. based on my math w/o dedup and with the limited amount I've learned about dedup sizing, it seems like that should be ok, though more memory would be better if i can do it. does that seem correct?[19:45:17] <tsoome> thats because with backups you can easily have many-many duplicates[19:45:43] <DeanoC> gsyoungblood yeah that sounds fine, you shouldnt have problmes[19:46:02] <gsyoungblood> DeanoC - thx[19:46:12] <tsoome> but also, if you are just storing like 2 sets of data as backup, its peobably not really worth.[19:48:07] <Savis> but yes DeanoC you are correct not using svcadm enable gdm[19:49:58] <gsyoungblood> Savis: disabling gdm is one of the first things i do too. :) then, on the rare occasion when I need an X app, it's just an ssh -X away.[19:50:22] <Savis> i just want to beable to type startx if needed and go in to gnome.[19:57:02] <Savis> bah screw it[19:57:07] <Savis> not worth the bullshit[19:57:07] <Savis> bbl[20:01:51] *** hugo has joined #openindiana[20:06:22] *** buffyg_ has quit IRC[20:06:31] *** buffyg_ has joined #openindiana[20:07:52] *** buffyg has quit IRC[20:07:53] *** buffyg_ has quit IRC[20:08:38] *** buffyg has joined #openindiana[20:14:09] *** hjf has quit IRC[20:16:43] <scarcry> DeanoC: you added info on terminfo to my post-installation page on http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/2.1+Post-installation[20:17:15] <scarcry> which console needs to be restarted after applying that info.. system/console-login:default i take it?[20:17:21] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[20:18:17] <scarcry> i'm running oi_148b and am currently not yet exporting TERMINFO[20:21:11] *** Savis has quit IRC[20:30:16] *** ottom has joined #openindiana[20:32:20] *** hjf has joined #openindiana[20:32:43] *** elgar has quit IRC[20:34:51] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[20:36:34] *** hugo has quit IRC[20:39:44] <DeanoC> erm i just logged back in, so not sure[20:40:17] <Lumb> Im just running[20:43:29] *** hugo has joined #openindiana[20:45:01] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[20:46:53] <Savis> does oi have any DFS?[20:46:58] <Savis> or file replication services?[20:47:12] <Savis> i have a folder that is a share that is replicated between 2 sites across a vpn[20:49:37] *** fanta01 has joined #openindiana[20:50:32] *** kart_ has quit IRC[20:53:03] <tsoome> you can check avs, but I have never used it, so its hard to comment how usable it is[20:53:32] *** nbprashanth has quit IRC[21:01:09] <gea_> Savis, do you need sync replication (like a raid-1) or async replication (a few minutes delay, one-way or two way?[21:19:11] *** gsyoungblood has quit IRC[21:20:14] <Savis> i need to sync a folder that has about 300 gigs worth of files and data to a diffrent server across the united states[21:20:21] <Savis> and 2 way replication is needed.[21:20:33] *** gsyoungblood has joined #openindiana[21:22:22] <Meths> lol, yeah, sounds like something DFS can do well.[21:22:45] <Savis> stuck with windows?[21:24:52] <Meths> Windows is the only thing I know of with a pretty decent DFS thing. There are alternatives but they would all involve some work and I'm not sure how well they work with that size data set. Someone else may know better.[21:25:21] *** SunTzuKDE has quit IRC[21:26:28] <gea_> i suppose, its really complicated until you have a read-all write -one scenario[21:27:02] <Meths> Stuff like drbd generally needs decent bandwidth, rsync needs to traverse the data set...[21:27:27] <gsyoungblood> how fast do updates have to make it to other side?[21:27:34] <gsyoungblood> two live file systems?[21:27:41] <gsyoungblood> or one backs up the other?[21:27:59] <Meths> The greater the time period for gsyoungblood's question the more options you have.[21:29:23] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[21:29:23] *** Botanic has quit IRC[21:29:23] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[21:37:45] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[21:37:46] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[21:38:32] *** McBofh has joined #openindiana[21:39:53] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[21:52:23] *** buffyg has quit IRC[22:11:50] *** buffyg has joined #openindiana[22:12:25] *** laidback_01 has quit IRC[22:15:04] *** laidback_01 has joined #openindiana[22:17:53] *** auronandace has quit IRC[22:19:57] *** jllr has joined #openindiana[22:22:45] *** Botanic has quit IRC[22:23:00] *** joffe has quit IRC[22:31:59] *** AlasAway is now known as Alasdairrr[22:34:01] *** auronandace has joined #openindiana[22:35:23] *** hudnix has quit IRC[22:41:49] *** raichoo has quit IRC[22:43:53] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[22:44:27] <raichoo> good eve[22:45:25] *** jllr is now known as joffe[22:46:43] *** Whoopsie has joined #openindiana[22:46:43] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Whoopsie[22:50:13] *** Micr0mega has joined #openindiana[23:00:50] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[23:00:51] *** Botanic has quit IRC[23:00:51] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[23:11:01] *** baitisj_ has joined #openindiana[23:11:24] <baitisj_> hey guys: any suggestions for an ultra-low-power nvidia pci-express card?[23:11:30] <baitisj_> I just want rudimentary 3d[23:11:34] <baitisj_> and low power consuption[23:11:42] <baitisj_> consumption[23:12:06] <Whoopsie> I've found Quadro NVS cards good for that[23:12:59] <baitisj_> nice. 17.5 watt passive looks good, Whoopsie[23:13:24] <fanta01> 17.5 passive is a lot[23:13:37] <baitisj_> it's the lowest i've seen on nvidia cards[23:13:48] <baitisj_> the figures i was seeing ~25watt or more[23:13:53] <fanta01> why not go with ati then?[23:14:11] <baitisj_> nvidia has better driver support with openindiana[23:14:17] <fanta01> ah ok[23:14:23] <baitisj_> my computer's on-board ati isn't even 2d accelerated[23:14:28] <baitisj_> it's driving me INSANE[23:14:36] <fanta01> I think modern mid range ati cards draw 10 watts in passive[23:14:44] <baitisj_> that's probably true[23:15:02] <baitisj_> maybe i should just buy an ati card on the hcl[23:15:14] <baitisj_> fanta01, do you have any suggestions? power is key here[23:15:17] <Triskelios> what model is your card?[23:15:32] <alanc> if you want 3-D acceleration, run far far far away from ati[23:16:04] <baitisj_> let's see[23:16:16] <Whoopsie> Indeed, ATI isn't going to work for 3D under OI[23:16:18] <fanta01> I am not using OI, I run a debian with an integratde intel grpahics[23:16:36] <baitisj_> ATI radeon 3000 integraded[23:16:37] <Savis> /join #Debian ?[23:16:42] <baitisj_> is what I have, alanc[23:16:46] <fanta01> that the lowest in terms of power reqs u can I get I think[23:17:09] <fanta01> and for an ati card, try a 5450 maybe[23:17:20] <baitisj_> err, sorry, Triskelios, I have ati radeon 3000 integrated[23:17:51] <Triskelios> baitisj_: that should be supported by "radeon", so you'll still have 2D accel[23:17:59] <baitisj_> i don't run an intel board --- no support for ECC ram :-)[23:18:10] <DeanoC> 3x00 series ATI are old but as Triskelios says you should get some 2D[23:18:36] <baitisj_> weird[23:18:46] <fanta01> Radeon HD 6760 Go Green draws only 50 Watt active and 10 Watt passive and is pretty powerfull on top of it[23:19:05] <baitisj_> I am running the "radeon" driver[23:19:10] <baitisj_> but my 2d is AWFUL[23:19:19] <baitisj_> i wonder if I have a bad setting somewhere[23:19:35] <baitisj_> ATI 760G[23:19:42] <Botanic> prolly just a bad driver[23:19:52] <baitisj_> yeah, maybe I should just wait on xorg[23:19:52] <Botanic> ati really has crappy drivers especialy the old ones[23:19:55] <Botanic> even on windows[23:20:11] <Botanic> ati seems to make better hardware nividia better drivers[23:20:15] <DeanoC> possibly the ati driver aren't accelerating the old igp[23:20:16] <Botanic> generally[23:20:24] <Triskelios> Botanic: radeon is a free driver, not provided by ATI[23:20:32] <DeanoC> igp take diffrent setups compared to descretes[23:20:40] <baitisj_> thanks for the information, guys, apparently I got to go idle[23:21:07] <Botanic> shows what i know i tend to run from ati :)[23:21:33] <DeanoC> ATI did some big press about releasting all specs into the open, an then didn't update it[23:21:51] <DeanoC> though at least they do now help out with some of the kernel mode stuff[23:22:32] <alanc> DeanoC: ATI has released a ton of specs, and contributes to the open source drivers[23:23:03] <DeanoC> some specs and a bit late, better than nv for sure but not quite intel[23:23:22] <fanta01> alanc: would be an ati card a good choice to run oi right now?[23:23:29] <alanc> no[23:23:30] <DeanoC> no[23:24:00] <alanc> specs and linux drivers do not magically turn into solaris/OI support without people picking up the work to port & integrate them[23:24:27] <DeanoC> i'm glad to see 6x00 series KMS hit the linux kernel recently[23:24:33] <alanc> nvidia would be best choice, intel second best[23:26:59] *** tsukasa has quit IRC[23:30:33] <DeanoC> as we are talking gpus. odd fact of the day. Intel LRB / Knights Ferry runs BSD-derative on the card, as its own mini os.[23:41:43] *** DrLou has quit IRC[23:42:38] <joffe> really?[23:42:40] <joffe> thats cool[23:42:46] <joffe> link to details? :o[23:42:51] <joffe> im surprised i didnt catch that[23:43:40] *** skeeziks has quit IRC[23:43:53] <DeanoC> its probably not detailed anywhere, and its possible it was just bringing it up. but when i was talking about writing a schedular for one, the intel guy mentioned it :D[23:44:44] <DeanoC> it was the easiest way to get things working given at heart its just a pc on the wring side of teh pci-e bus :)[23:45:23] <raichoo> Doing a hg clone of the illumos repo takes really long -_-[23:46:22] <DeanoC> there are other mirrors that some people find faster[23:46:29] <DeanoC> github and bitbucket iirc[23:46:37] <raichoo> I think I'm halfway through ^^[23:46:57] <DeanoC> and openindania.org itself has a mirror[23:47:22] <raichoo> Oh nice.[23:47:23] <DeanoC> yeah always find out u want to use a mirror too late heh[23:48:11] <raichoo> I'm not in a rush. I just want to have to code at hand so I can dig a little ^^[23:48:49] <DeanoC> its browseable online as well, to poke while u wait[23:48:55] <fanta01> raichoo: add xen 4 support while you are at it[23:48:57] <raichoo> I know.[23:51:39] *** hsp has quit IRC[23:58:10] <raichoo> done \o/