July 21, 2019 
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ZZZzzz…)[02:15:22] <lapsang> A shadertoy script doesn't display the clouds in Firefox, but does in Chrome. is this likely a library issue, and if so, what's the best plugin to resolve?[02:16:50] <lapsang> The clouds do not render, only the background gradient and diffuse orange light do: https://www.shadertoy.com/view/XslGRr[02:18:04] <zid> worksforme[02:18:57] <lapsang> https://i.imgur.com/OvihXCb.png[02:19:11] <lapsang> the blocked plugin icon worries me on FF[02:19:28] <derhass> lapsang: check if the texture is properly loaded[02:20:16] <lapsang> wonder if the website is using flash to load the fbx[02:22:59] <lapsang> hm wait he described an fbx in the comments, but it looks like it's just clumpy noise[02:26:53] *** ephemer0l_ <ephemer0l_!~ephemer0l@pentoo/user/ephemer0l> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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Gonna tackle this[07:01:24] *** d4nan <d4nan!~d4nan@pool-173-68-96-233.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[07:05:40] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze <Jeanne-Kamikaze!~Jeanne-Ka@205.234.124.69> has joined ##OpenGL[07:26:48] *** fatalhalt <fatalhalt!~fatalhalt@c-67-163-60-93.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: fatal halt)[07:33:34] *** groton <groton!~groton@unaffiliated/groton> has joined ##OpenGL[07:34:50] *** karab44 <karab44!~karab44@unaffiliated/karab44> has joined ##OpenGL[07:54:35] *** wildlander <wildlander!~wildlande@unaffiliated/wildlander> has joined ##OpenGL[08:07:46] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@2605:a000:122a:2139:3dbe:c8d6:f55b:7577> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[08:12:11] *** mkoncek <mkoncek!~Thunderbi@adsl-d94.84-47-66.t-com.sk> has joined ##OpenGL[08:13:19] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze <Jeanne-Kamikaze!~Jeanne-Ka@205.234.124.69> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:14:38] <mkoncek> i want to achieve a top-down camera centered at the player character, but i want the player character be at a fixed position somewhere at the middle bottom of the screen, is the way to do it just use basic glm perspective, but subtract gl_Position.y at the end of the vertex shader?[08:25:43] *** learningc <learningc!~learningc@121.122.92.39> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[08:26:03] *** tab-key <tab-key!~mantra@2601:601:c980:8fd:88a0:8443:26d6:eb13> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:26:07] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:5f40:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has joined ##OpenGL[08:37:41] *** learningc <learningc!~learningc@121.122.92.39> has joined ##OpenGL[08:39:13] *** wildlander <wildlander!~wildlande@unaffiliated/wildlander> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:50:26] *** dansho <dansho!~dansho4@71-84-161-204.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com> has joined ##OpenGL[08:51:04] *** SwiftMatt <SwiftMatt!~Objective@2601:282:4300:3e:18fd:62c0:7c67:19f3> has joined ##OpenGL[09:04:19] *** SwiftMatt <SwiftMatt!~Objective@2601:282:4300:3e:18fd:62c0:7c67:19f3> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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IRC (Changing host)[12:46:32] *** nilspin_ <nilspin_!~nilspin@unaffiliated/nilspin> has joined ##OpenGL[12:52:11] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7l9r42569r41f4.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##OpenGL[12:55:29] <nilspin_> Can I bind a buffer object twice(as GL_VERTEX_ARRAY and GL_SHADER_STORAGE_BUFFER) in the same glsl program?[12:56:21] *** nilspin_ is now known as nilspin[12:58:02] <nilspin> nvm we can[12:58:03] <nilspin> https://community.khronos.org/t/binding-the-same-buffer-object-to-a-different-target/72056/2[13:03:31] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:04:04] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has joined ##OpenGL[13:06:38] *** CoolerY <CoolerY!~coolerext@202.3.77.166> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:10:52] *** BPL <BPL!~BPL@102.56.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com> has joined ##OpenGL[13:15:36] <mkoncek> i want to achieve a top-down camera centered at the player character, but i want the player character be at a fixed position somewhere at the middle bottom of the screen, is the way to do it just use basic glm perspective, but subtract gl_Position.y at the end of the vertex shader?[13:16:02] *** CoolerX <CoolerX!~coolerext@202.3.77.166> has joined ##OpenGL[13:16:44] *** dansho <dansho!~dansho4@71-84-161-204.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:20:02] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:20:32] <derhass> mkoncek: no[13:21:21] <mkoncek> i would like to achieve the "cut and shift" possibly without further manipulating the matrices[13:21:23] <derhass> doing some post-perspective transformations is seldom the right thing, and even when it is, one has to take w into account properly[13:21:41] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has joined ##OpenGL[13:22:35] <derhass> if you just translate after the perspective transform, you're getting an asymmetric frustum[13:23:15] <derhass> camera placement is typically done in a view matrix[13:23:42] <derhass> and even if you want to optimize things further, that still is done before applying perspective projection[13:24:13] <mkoncek> ok, i guess i will compute the angle before view matrix[13:24:19] <derhass> angle?[13:24:44] <derhass> no idea where an angle comes into this now[13:24:48] <derhass> but whatever[13:25:30] <mkoncek> in order to achieve what i want i believe the camera has to be placed on top of (Z-axis) the character, but look down at some angle in order for the character to be fixed at the bottom center of the screen[13:25:41] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@ircpuzzles/2015/april-fools/fifth/slidercrank> has joined ##OpenGL[13:26:37] <derhass> well[13:26:50] <derhass> don't know what you actually want to achieve[13:28:00] <mkoncek> you know GTA 1?, imagine the character is always fixed at the bottom of the screen as opposed to the center of the screen[13:28:19] *** iderik <iderik!~weechat@h-162-65.A147.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined ##OpenGL[13:28:35] <derhass> I know GTA1[13:28:40] <mkoncek> but i want the perspective to be as-if the camera was looking at the character, not in the center of the screen[13:28:47] <derhass> but it is hard to image the exact details of the perspective it had[13:30:03] <mkoncek> well, i don't know if i can describe it any better[13:31:15] <Yaniel> I'm pretty sure you don't want to fix the camera just above the character[13:34:13] <Yaniel> but rather above the character, shifted a bit in the direction they are looking or something[13:39:36] <DarkUranium> mkoncek, the only place you do anything *after* perspective projection would be when you're attempting dirty hacks to do stereo rendering.[13:39:45] *** CoolerX <CoolerX!~coolerext@202.3.77.166> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:39:47] <DarkUranium> (if you're doing it properly, you'll be building 2 separate projection matrices properly to begin with)[13:39:50] *** CoolerY <CoolerY!~coolerext@202.3.77.166> has joined ##OpenGL[13:39:51] <mkoncek> Yaniel: well, yes, that's where the angle needs to be computed[13:40:37] <Yaniel> anyway that has nothing to do with perspective[13:41:05] <Yaniel> at most you'll want to account for the camera's vertical field of view[13:41:31] <Yaniel> but even that should happen separately from the perspective matrix[13:44:12] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:45:11] *** CoolerZ <CoolerZ!~coolerext@14.139.38.195> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:45:23] <Yaniel> essentially all positioning of the camera should happen in the view matrix, before the perspective projection[13:46:23] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.207.9> has joined ##OpenGL[13:50:34] <derhass> well[13:51:40] <derhass> I can actually imagine a scenratio where the camera is straight top-down and not tilted at all for this scenario[13:52:06] <derhass> so actually rotating the camera might not be what is desired here[13:52:12] <derhass> but I really don't know[13:53:23] <derhass> the question is just: where should the principal axis of the perspective be?[13:57:14] <mkoncek> derhass: you mean the line connecting the camera position and the point which will be on the screen centre?[13:57:41] <derhass> mkoncek: not necesarrily[13:58:41] <derhass> mkoncek: what you describe is just the camera lookat direction[13:58:47] <derhass> (sort of)[13:59:02] <mkoncek> i too don't have a perfect idea what i want to achieve, just a rough one[13:59:14] <derhass> I'm talking about properties of the perspective projection itself[13:59:36] <mkoncek> i don't want to delve into prespectives too much[13:59:46] <derhass> first of all, you can do off-axis asymmetric projection where that "center" is _not_ mapped to the center of the screen[13:59:57] <derhass> you can even tilt it[14:00:09] <derhass> just like you can do with tilt&shift lenses for real cameras[14:06:26] *** Nicmavr 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davr0s_ <davr0s_!~davr0s@host109-149-99-217.range109-149.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[22:34:13] <zid> the question was whether anyone was here[22:34:49] <gehn> the question has been answered: we're not[22:42:58] <zy]x[yz> i wasn't here at the time[22:43:08] <zy]x[yz> sorry for letting everyone down[22:43:34] <zid> no, you did well[22:46:02] *** KAHR-Alpha <KAHR-Alpha!~Alpha@2a01cb0d024a6600b8a32651d7f43ed6.ipv6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined ##OpenGL[22:47:45] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@176.248.197.112> has joined ##OpenGL[22:53:22] *** bitwinery <bitwinery!~bruno@c-71-59-192-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:54:07] *** charlie5 <charlie5!~rod@pa49-195-192-231.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:59:39] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined ##OpenGL[23:09:26] *** charlie5 <charlie5!~rod@pa49-180-54-151.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined ##OpenGL[23:11:25] *** ephemer0l is now known as ephemer0l_[23:12:30] *** bitwinery <bitwinery!~bruno@c-71-59-192-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined ##OpenGL[23:14:37] *** Groogy <Groogy!~Groogy@90-227-38-205-no61.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:15:03] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:19:33] <vmt> maybe he was just feeling lonely[23:23:50] *** bitwinery <bitwinery!~bruno@c-71-59-192-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:33:45] *** gehn <gehn!gehn@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/gehn> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:37:27] *** lapsang <lapsang!~g@gateway/tor-sasl/gaiwan> has joined ##OpenGL[23:39:40] <lapsang> I'd like to initialize a bunch of uniform variables for use with an existing script. Does syntax exist to declare several on the same line, ie something similar to "float var1,var2,var3;" ?[23:40:29] *** ciaala <ciaala!~crypt@2a02:120b:2c1f:5f40:6ef0:49ff:feee:4777> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:44:15] *** blackpawn <blackpawn!~blackpawn@c-73-73-53-23.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:44:51] <lapsang> oh I guess that works with spaces[23:45:17] *** realz <realz!~realz@unaffiliated/realazthat> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[23:47:58] <BPL> lapsang: If you're really curious https://www.khronos.org/registry/OpenGL/specs/gl/GLSLangSpec.4.60.pdf, just take a look to page 205-217... if you're too lazy, why not just trying and being helped by the glsl compiler :) ?[23:51:14] <lapsang> oh nice, thanks![23:51:28] <lapsang> because I tried it before, but it had compiler errors[23:51:58] *** groton <groton!~groton@unaffiliated/groton> has joined ##OpenGL[23:56:50] *** groton <groton!~groton@unaffiliated/groton> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:59:54] *** Foaly <Foaly!~Foaly@ppp-188-174-11-23.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: When in doubt, hit it with the wrench.)