July 17, 2019 
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I've already discarded quite a lot of them on my github research :P , my first candidate so far would be openal[13:17:06] <zid> sdl_mixer[13:17:24] <BPL> can that be used outside sdl scope?[13:18:18] <Yaniel> OpenAL-Soft, libsoundio, portaudio?[13:19:03] <BPL> Yaniel: Yeah, already tested all of them in the past few days... there was also this one called gorilla for game development[13:19:27] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[13:20:04] <BPL> https://code.google.com/archive/p/gorilla-audio/[13:20:27] <BPL> * my first candidate so far would be openal-soft[13:21:17] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined ##OpenGL[13:23:25] <BPL> maybe i should try again libsoundio, that's quite lightweight... ok, ty[13:23:39] <Yaniel> depends on your needs[13:23:51] <Yaniel> AL gives you decent spatial audio out of the box[13:24:08] <BPL> sure, but it's quite heavy dep as well[13:24:33] <Yaniel> could be worse[13:24:41] <Yaniel> and isn't it still quite self-contained[13:24:43] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.204.254> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:24:54] <BPL> and spatial audio shouldn't be too difficult to add on top of libsoundio, should it?[13:25:31] <Yaniel> well there is the HRTF stuff, where things get a bit weird[13:29:44] <BPL> https://github.com/kcat/openal-soft/blob/master/docs/hrtf.txt[13:30:13] <zid> why use an audio lib at all if you're doing fancy custom audio anyway[13:30:20] <zid> those libs are for automating common boring tasks[13:30:23] <zid> like mixing[13:30:47] <Yaniel> libsoundio is more intended for interfacing with whatever the soundcard API for your system is[13:31:13] <zid> either use a HAL like SDL, or something crazy like eax[13:31:55] <zid> (crazy specific)[13:31:57] <Yaniel> it is a HAL...[13:34:20] <BPL> SDLMixer looks quite nice lib as well but it seems I'd be forced to use SDL https://github.com/SDL-mirror/SDL_mixer/blob/master/music.c#L46-L48 , wouldn't I?[13:35:29] <zid> just only use the sound[13:35:35] <zid> if you don't create any windows with it who cares[13:35:58] <BPL> meh, anyway, thx guys, {SDLMixer, libsoundio, portaudio, openal-soft}, I'll constrain myself to this set[13:36:03] <Yaniel> b l o a t[13:36:14] <zid> yea but sdlmixer is nice and easy, if what you want is nice and easy[13:36:17] <zid> he didn't really mention requirements[13:36:37] <zid> I'd personally just use libalsa and the windows port would use SpeakerBeep()[13:54:18] *** Kingsqueee <Kingsqueee!~kingsquee@node-1w7jr9qmxqrpow98mke9t5qou.ipv6.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/qicT3GK.gif)[13:59:07] *** iderik <iderik!~weechat@h-162-65.A147.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined ##OpenGL[14:06:33] *** Nicmavr <Nicmavr!~Nicmavr@unaffiliated/nicmavr> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:08:27] *** Nicmavr <Nicmavr!~Nicmavr@unaffiliated/nicmavr> has joined ##OpenGL[14:22:35] *** SwiftMatt <SwiftMatt!~Objective@2601:282:4300:3e:8d73:eea9:3569:de80> has joined ##OpenGL[14:23:06] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@106.51.18.66> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:36:18] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:36:18] *** dansho <dansho!~dansho4@71-84-161-204.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:45:34] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@106.51.18.66> has joined ##OpenGL[14:50:59] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@106.51.18.66> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:01:16] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@106.51.18.66> has joined ##OpenGL[15:08:40] *** phr34k <phr34k!4dac67ef@77.172.103.239> has joined ##OpenGL[15:09:04] <phr34k> small question, I am using glfw in a project and requesting a 4.5 context, but the create window function just always dishes out a nullptr and says WGL doesn't support a 4.5 context. I have an NVidia 950M gpu and their driver page says the opengl version is 4.5. I checked opengl extension viewer and it basically lists all full support for 4.6 even.[15:09:05] *** SwiftMatt <SwiftMatt!~Objective@2601:282:4300:3e:8d73:eea9:3569:de80> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[15:09:05] <phr34k>[15:09:22] <phr34k> I am wondering what's the deal with this, should this be considered a bug of glfw at this point or is this some kind of gray area around extensions, anybody any insights?[15:10:37] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@106.51.18.66> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.5)[15:10:37] <Yaniel> are you asking for core or compatibility profile?[15:11:12] <Yaniel> on mac you have to request core profil AND forward compatible in order to get newer GL than 2.1[15:14:16] <phr34k> Well we're not specifying any explicit hints, so I think it's requesting a core profile.[15:14:23] *** hk239 <hk239!~d@94.22.235.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:14:28] <Yaniel> no that's compatibility profile[15:14:40] <Yaniel> IIRC[15:15:11] *** hk239 <hk239!~d@94.22.235.202> has joined ##OpenGL[15:15:18] <phr34k> but even if it's core or compatabillity, the official driver says it's 4.5, so shouldn't a 4.5 core context be supported in that case.[15:15:45] <Yaniel> core yes, compatibility not necessarily[15:17:05] <Yaniel> but yeah pretty sure you have to explicitly ask for core[15:17:46] <phr34k> ```[15:17:48] <phr34k> glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CLIENT_API, GLFW_OPENGL_API); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MAJOR, 4); glfwWindowHint(GLFW_CONTEXT_VERSION_MINOR, 5);[15:18:33] <Yaniel> glfwWindowHint(GLFW_OPENGL_PROFILE, GLFW_OPENGL_PROFILE_CORE_PROFILE);[15:18:37] <phr34k> This is basically what the init code does, it just strikes me as odd why it would fail, saying 4.5 isn't supported.[15:20:31] <Yaniel> what does glfwinfo say?[15:23:25] <phr34k> GLFW header version: 3.3.0GLFW library version: 3.3.0GLFW library version string: "3.3.0 Win32 WGL EGL VisualC"OpenGL context version string: "4.4.0 - Build 20.19.15.4642"OpenGL context version parsed by GLFW: 4.4.0OpenGL context flags (0x00000000):OpenGL context flags parsed by GLFW:OpenGL profile mask (0x00000002): compatOpenGL profile mask parse[15:23:25] <phr34k> d by GLFW: compatOpenGL robustness strategy (0x00008261): noneOpenGL robustness strategy parsed by GLFW: noneOpenGL context renderer string: "Intel(R) HD Graphics 520"OpenGL context vendor string: "Intel"OpenGL context shading language version: "4.40 - Build 20.19.15.4642"OpenGL framebuffer: red: 8 green: 8 blue: 8 alpha: 8 depth: 24 stencil: 8 sam[15:23:26] <phr34k> ples: 0 sample buffers: 0 accum red: 16 accum green: 16 accum blue: 16 accum alpha: 16 aux buffers: 0Vulkan loader: availableVulkan required instance extensions: VK_KHR_surface VK_KHR_win32_surfaceVulkan discrete GPU device: "GeForce GTX 950M"[15:25:23] <Yaniel> pastebins exist for a reason[15:25:43] <Yaniel> well that says your GL driver supports 4.4 compat profile[15:26:15] <phr34k> https://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-950m/specifications[15:26:35] <Yaniel> it also seems like it's using the intel GPU[15:27:57] <Yaniel> what the hardware supports is irrelevant if the driver doesn't support it as well[15:28:00] <phr34k> Hmm you're right on that but how come, is there some kind of gpu selection for glfw[15:28:15] <Yaniel> I don't think there is for GL[15:28:17] <phr34k> I installed the latest nvidia drivers Yaniel[15:28:47] <Yaniel> tell your laptop to always use the dedicated GPU[15:28:57] <Yaniel> guess it didn't switch automatically[15:30:29] <BPL> phr34k: Just go to the NVIDIA control panel and make sure your app will use the NVIDIA gpu instead the intel one[15:34:45] *** cshzg <cshzg!~dietary@181.53.12.207> has joined ##OpenGL[15:52:39] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:52:57] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined ##OpenGL[15:55:39] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:55:57] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined ##OpenGL[15:57:05] <phr34k> Yaniel BPL - 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ZZZzzz…)[22:05:46] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:15:31] *** iderik <iderik!~weechat@h-162-65.A147.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: iderik)[22:15:52] *** zalt_ <zalt_!~lambda443@unaffiliated/lambda443> has joined ##OpenGL[22:17:22] *** zalt <zalt!~lambda443@unaffiliated/lambda443> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:17:27] *** midn <midn!~manjaro-g@91.225.201.123> has joined ##OpenGL[22:18:23] <midn> In GLSL what does mat4(mat4x3) do exactly?[22:19:28] <midn> Asking, as I'm passing mat4x3s as the bones for skeletal animation.[22:20:45] <Yaniel> check the spec[22:20:57] <Yaniel> (that's what I'd have to do to answer your question anyway)[22:21:17] *** zalt_ is now known as zalt[22:21:54] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:22:27] <midn> Yeah, couldn't find it in the spec, which is why I asked here in the first place[22:23:19] *** midn <midn!~manjaro-g@91.225.201.123> has left ##OpenGL ("Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC")[22:24:37] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has joined ##OpenGL[22:26:06] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.205.53> has joined ##OpenGL[22:27:06] *** bitwinery <bitwinery!~bruno@c-71-59-192-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:27:24] <derhass> hmm, midn is gone already[22:28:23] *** slime <slime!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##OpenGL[22:46:02] *** rocketmagnet <rocketmagnet!~noname@unaffiliated/rocketmagnet> has joined ##OpenGL[22:46:24] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined ##OpenGL[22:47:01] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i'm trying to learn opengl 4.0 and i've troubles understanding vertex/fragement shaders - can i use mutliple shaders at once or can i only use one shader at a time for rendering a scene ??[22:47:35] <gehn> rocketmagnet, you can use as many shaders as you wish as far as I know[22:47:54] <gehn> rocketmagnet, at first you will usually only have one vertex shader and one fragment shader, but you can grow from there[22:48:23] <rocketmagnet> because i can use one shader to display my objects, and when rendering an object i can use another shader to create special effects for a certain object or how does this work ?[22:48:29] *** gareppa <gareppa!~gareppa@unaffiliated/gareppa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:49:18] <rocketmagnet> so i have different shaders for different effects[22:49:46] <rocketmagnet> so some objects are drawn using one shader and the other object is drawn with another shader, is that right so far ?[22:50:50] <rocketmagnet> to achieve different effects for each object[22:51:10] <gehn> you can change which shaders are used with glUseProgram()[22:51:35] <gehn> so sure, you can change shaders, like if you want a shader for a special material like something metalic or emissive[22:51:36] <rocketmagnet> so there is one shader for this effect and another shader for another effect etc.[22:52:07] <rocketmagnet> ah ok, so i was right, different shaders for different effects for rendering objects[23:00:32] *** toor_ <toor_!~toor@ppp-seco21parth2-46-193-164-233.wb.wifirst.net> has joined ##OpenGL[23:12:20] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:16:28] <Yaniel> you can use one shader of each type at the same time[23:16:46] <Yaniel> vertex and fragment shaders are required if you want to get something on screen[23:17:19] <Yaniel> and you can change the setup between draw calls yes[23:19:41] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has joined ##OpenGL[23:30:15] *** qeed <qeed!~qeed@172.248.136.12> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:30:36] *** qeed <qeed!~qeed@cpe-172-248-136-12.socal.res.rr.com> has joined ##OpenGL[23:34:01] *** mukunda <mukunda!~mukunda@adsl-68-19-251-109.bna.bellsouth.net> has joined ##OpenGL[23:34:26] *** hk239 <hk239!~d@94.22.235.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:34:41] *** hk239 <hk239!~d@94.22.235.202> has joined ##OpenGL[23:37:42] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@node-1w7jr9qmxqrpow98mke9t5qou.ipv6.telus.net> has joined ##OpenGL[23:39:37] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.205.53> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:39:52] *** Takums <Takums!~Tak@73.90.205.41> has joined ##OpenGL[23:45:14] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.205.55.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:48:29] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:48:42] *** rizzo <rizzo!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-031-150-082-101.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined ##OpenGL