July 4, 2019 
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July 4, 2019 [00:02:05] <derhass> Neomex: could be different reasons[00:02:56] <Neomex> what should i check derhass? was wondering maybe floating point error could be a reason aswell, texture is 2048 and tiles 32[00:03:54] <derhass> Neomex: first of all, you could simply output a static color )different from your background color) instead of the texture to see if the texture is the isssue at all[00:04:53] <derhass> also I'm not sure if repeat is really what you want[00:05:40] <derhass> but is your texture an atlas? are you sure you're not just bleeding into the neighboring tiles?[00:06:45] <Neomex> well, background is black, when i forced fragment shader to always output green i see no issue and neighbouring tiles dont have white[00:08:08] <Neomex> thats how i calculate uvs: tileSizeUV = (float)(mapData->TileDimensions.x) / (float)(textureDimension); startUVX = (fillID.x * tileSizeUV) / (float)(textureDimension);[00:08:17] *** BPL <BPL!~BPL@102.56.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com> has joined ##OpenGL[00:09:02] <Neomex> which could translate to tileSizeUV = 32 / 2048, startUVX = (4 * tileSizeUV) / 2048[00:09:51] <Neomex> the texture filter settings are GL_LINEAR and wrap GL_REPEAT[00:10:47] <derhass> why dividing both by the texture size?[00:11:08] <Neomex> to get them in a range of 0-1[00:11:30] <derhass> well, I don't get it[00:11:39] <derhass> I get one division, but not the two[00:11:56] <derhass> ultimately, you divide by the square of the texure size[00:12:37] <Neomex> ah, right, i wrote here the code where i put variables by hand, the right one is: tileSizeUV * (float)fillID.x[00:12:39] <Neomex> my bad[00:13:18] <derhass> how do you draw each tile?[00:14:47] <Neomex> the issues its not constant either, sometimes the lines show and sometimes when the camera moves they dont[00:15:12] <Neomex> all tile data goes into single vbo and then i just do drawarrays on whole terrain mesh[00:15:40] <derhass> well, I still would say this is just filtering into neighboring tiles[00:16:26] <Neomex> how could i solve it?[00:16:37] <Neomex> https://pastebin.com/wDQBAsDU[00:16:38] <derhass> add some margin between your tiles in the atlas[00:16:41] *** AfroThundr|main <AfroThundr|main!~AfroThund@countervandalism/AfroThundr3007730> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:16:55] <derhass> it is actually to be _expected_ to happen when you use linear filtering[00:17:11] <derhass> the better option would be to use array textures[00:18:11] <derhass> another option would be to implement a clamp-to-edge behavior on the actual tile edges in the fragment shader[00:19:11] <Neomex> isnt there limited amout of textures you can have in a shader? this doesnt apply to array textures?[00:19:26] <derhass> an array texture is one texture object[00:21:35] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:21:59] *** pie_ <pie_!~pie_@unaffiliated/pie-/x-0787662> has joined ##OpenGL[00:22:53] *** pa <pa!~pa@unaffiliated/pa> has joined ##OpenGL[00:24:31] *** BPL <BPL!~BPL@102.56.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:30:22] *** zalt <zalt!~lambda443@unaffiliated/lambda443> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:51:28] <Neomex> for sprites what would be more efficient solution, batching or instancing?[00:56:51] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has joined ##OpenGL[01:11:57] *** vroom <vroom!~vroom@unaffiliated/vroom> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:16:17] *** immibis <immibis!~immibis@222-153-90-196-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:32:04] *** Neomex <Neomex!~Neomex@189.214.0.120.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:44:35] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@d51A4BEAF.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[01:52:33] *** KAHR-Alpha <KAHR-Alpha!~Alpha@lfbn-rei-1-47-231.w90-54.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:01:37] *** hellozee <hellozee!~hellozee@2409:4066:13:994:2c88:ea58:15e2:bc3f> has joined ##OpenGL[02:05:46] *** Xophosaurus <Xophosaurus!~yay@dhcp-108-168-68-229.cable.user.start.ca> has joined ##OpenGL[02:05:57] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!LunarJetma@94.14.216.120> has quit IRC (Quit: LunarJetman)[02:08:03] *** vroom <vroom!~vroom@unaffiliated/vroom> has joined ##OpenGL[02:15:41] *** HZun <HZun!~HZun@0x3ec721e2.osd.customer.dk.telia.net> has joined ##OpenGL[02:18:08] *** zalt <zalt!~lambda443@unaffiliated/lambda443> has joined ##OpenGL[02:21:36] *** learningc <learningc!~learningc@mti-37-145.tm.net.my> has joined ##OpenGL[02:41:37] *** Xophosaurus <Xophosaurus!~yay@dhcp-108-168-68-229.cable.user.start.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:47:17] *** Carl0 <Carl0!~Carl0@109.95.144.199> has joined ##OpenGL[02:53:54] *** Singmyr <Singmyr!~Singmyr@c83-253-123-62.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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##OpenGL[13:28:59] *** BPL <BPL!~BPL@102.56.27.77.dynamic.reverse-mundo-r.com> has joined ##OpenGL[13:30:53] *** gb_away <gb_away!~hhhhh@3-230-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:33:26] *** gb_away <gb_away!~hhhhh@3-230-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined ##OpenGL[13:34:38] *** shhuun_ <shhuun_!~shun@185.56.227.4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:37:00] *** thoys <thoys!~thoys@84-107-217-107.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[13:41:30] <BPL> Do you support interleaved & de-interleaved data in your opengl abstractions? Right now on my engine I just support interleaved data but I was considering to make it more flexible to support any of them but not sure what's the best way to do it... specially the way geometry is generated/stored, could anyone that has already implemented this advice? Ty in advance[13:43:03] *** DrBenway <DrBenway!~DrBenway@modemcable080.164-57-74.mc.videotron.ca> has joined ##OpenGL[13:43:48] *** DrBenway <DrBenway!~DrBenway@modemcable080.164-57-74.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:48:59] *** DrBenway <DrBenway!~DrBenway@modemcable080.164-57-74.mc.videotron.ca> has joined ##OpenGL[13:52:13] *** Kingsqueee <Kingsqueee!~kingsquee@node-1w7jr9qmxqrpow98mke9t5qou.ipv6.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/qicT3GK.gif)[13:53:54] *** DrBenway <DrBenway!~DrBenway@modemcable080.164-57-74.mc.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:12:03] *** Cyp_ <Cyp_!~Cyp_@192038136005.mbb.telenor.dk> has joined ##OpenGL[14:14:43] *** quadsar_ is now known as quadsar[14:18:01] *** hellozee <hellozee!~hellozee@2409:4066:13:994:2c88:ea58:15e2:bc3f> has joined ##OpenGL[14:25:45] *** neure <neure!~timo@mobile-access-b0480e-199.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##OpenGL[14:30:20] *** Twipply <Twipply!~Twipply@unaffiliated/twipply> has joined ##OpenGL[14:34:50] *** thoys <thoys!~thoys@84-107-217-107.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl> has joined ##OpenGL[15:15:52] *** stefkos <stefkos!~Pawel@79.184.148.164.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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Right now I can think of multiple ways to code it but all of them would require some performance penalty when interleaving/de-interleaving the data from the mesh[15:54:30] *** hellozee <hellozee!~hellozee@2409:4066:13:994:2c88:ea58:15e2:bc3f> has joined ##OpenGL[15:57:59] <ratchetfreak> or it requires modifying the VAO depending on whether it's interleaved or not[16:01:08] *** Xophosaurus <Xophosaurus!~yay@dhcp-108-168-68-229.cable.user.start.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:20:12] <zid> what perf penalty? You just give it the right strides etc and opengl does it all for you, unless we're talking about something else[16:28:14] <BPL> Well, let's consider a geometry/mesh generator/loader library... what I mean by performance penalty is the fact you'll need to transform the data into a suitable format to be uploaded to the GPU[16:29:42] <zid> but if you're "supporting" interleaved data, the data is already interleaved[16:29:48] <zid> otherwise you're pointlessly creating it out of nowhere[16:38:49] *** forgon <forgon!~forgon@unaffiliated/commander-cody/x-9618197> has joined ##OpenGL[16:43:18] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##OpenGL[16:44:36] *** gareppa <gareppa!~gareppa@unaffiliated/gareppa> has joined ##OpenGL[16:46:21] *** gareppa <gareppa!~gareppa@unaffiliated/gareppa> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:02:57] *** krystcich <krystcich!~krystcich@088156132151.dynamic-ww-04.vectranet.pl> has joined ##OpenGL[17:16:12] *** Cyp_ <Cyp_!~Cyp_@192038136005.mbb.telenor.dk> has joined ##OpenGL[17:23:23] *** dansho_ <dansho_!~dansho4@71-84-161-204.dhcp.astr.or.charter.com> has joined ##OpenGL[17:28:02] *** lilabsence <lilabsence!~RizzoTheR@dyndsl-178-142-066-061.ewe-ip-backbone.de> has joined ##OpenGL[17:41:15] *** gareppa <gareppa!~gareppa@unaffiliated/gareppa> has joined ##OpenGL[17:45:49] *** karab44 <karab44!~karab44@unaffiliated/karab44> has joined ##OpenGL[17:55:21] *** gareppa <gareppa!~gareppa@unaffiliated/gareppa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:58:25] *** Xophosaurus <Xophosaurus!~yay@dhcp-108-168-68-229.cable.user.start.ca> has joined ##OpenGL[18:08:21] *** forgon <forgon!~forgon@unaffiliated/commander-cody/x-9618197> has quit IRC (Quit: Ceterum censeo Qwerty esse delendam...)[18:13:27] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:27:46] *** VladTheImplier <VladTheImplier!~manjaro-b@212.111.240.218> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:30:00] *** neure <neure!~timo@mobile-access-b0480e-199.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:30:24] *** neure <neure!~timo@mobile-access-b0480e-199.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##OpenGL[18:32:22] *** neure <neure!~timo@mobile-access-b0480e-199.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:40:28] *** Xophosaurus <Xophosaurus!~yay@dhcp-108-168-68-229.cable.user.start.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:43:06] *** CoolerZ <CoolerZ!~coolerext@14.139.38.135> has joined ##OpenGL[18:50:10] *** krystcich <krystcich!~krystcich@088156132151.dynamic-ww-04.vectranet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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perhaps if I wanted to store a huge number of cubes?[20:11:11] <zid> store them where[20:11:21] <derhass> where do you want to store them?[20:11:27] <Exaeta> on the GPU[20:11:34] <derhass> uhm[20:11:37] <zid> presumably your memory is.. finite, so how it'll help you get "more" will be an interesting story[20:11:52] <zid> I promise not to rip off your idea and collect my nobel prize afterwards[20:12:09] <Exaeta> Well, the way I see it, a cube has what, 12 trigs?[20:12:20] <Exaeta> v.s. one point for center and any other attributes[20:12:39] <derhass> I can use the single center point preresentation also without using a geoemtry shader[20:12:53] <derhass> and I actually would advising doing exactly that[20:12:58] <Exaeta> in 3d?[20:13:04] <derhass> of course[20:13:07] <zid> and if the bottleneck on the amount of cubes you can render is memory size and not performance, I also wish to subscribe to your newsletter[20:14:04] <Exaeta> zid: well imagine for a moment, that most of these are not actually being rendered at once[20:14:38] <zid> Exaeta: sending the mask for which ones to render and which ones not to render sounds like exactly as much effort as sending the location of a cube to render to me[20:14:59] <zid> I hear gpus are very good at conditional execution also[20:15:19] <Exaeta> Well, I'm clustering them into chunks where each has its own VBO and VAO[20:15:47] <Exaeta> So I guess the question is, how many can I fit on the GPU at once before I have to start unloading them[20:15:48] <zid> and you think you'll run out of memory doing this?[20:15:55] <zid> as many as you have video memory[20:16:05] <zid> that's what memory means, place to put things[20:16:58] <Exaeta> 256*256*256 is 16777216 cubes[20:17:40] <zid> 4 byte angle, 8 bytes for position makes.. 768MB total[20:17:49] <Exaeta> That's a lot?[20:17:59] <zid> 2GB graphics cards have been standard since the early 2000s[20:18:09] <zid> My AGP cards had >768MB[20:18:19] <derhass> I didn't have 2GB at the early 2000s[20:18:34] <zid> 8800gtx had 2gb and that was 2007 I think[20:18:46] <derhass> at the early 2000s, I still had a voodoo I with 4MB in total[20:18:49] <zid> nice[20:19:08] <zid> ah 6800 Ultra had 256MB, poor thing[20:19:12] <zid> (best AGP card I can think of)[20:19:26] <zid> so somewhere between 2004 and 2007, 1-2GB was pretty normal[20:19:37] <zid> closer to when the berlin wall fell than to now :P[20:19:49] <zid> math is hard out by a year there I think[20:20:01] <zid> if you even need angle[20:20:08] <derhass> hmm, ther gtx660Ti I bought in 2012 had 2GB[20:20:10] <zid> if you have that many cubes I'm guessing they're all coplanar guys on a grid[20:20:18] <zid> so you really only need 512MB[20:20:26] <zid> or maybe less if you can pack the coords into like, a byte or short[20:21:09] <Exaeta> hum maybe I am being paranoid about ram consumption[20:21:44] <derhass> and there nefer was a geforce 8xxx series with 2GB of VRAM[20:22:01] <derhass> *never[20:22:30] <Exaeta> VAO can render from multiple buffers at once, right? I can do (in pseudocode): bind(VAO); bind(buffer0); attribpointer(0, ...); bind(buffer1); attribpointer(1, ...); ?[20:22:34] <Exaeta> or nah?[20:22:45] <derhass> yes[20:23:48] <zid> derhass: wait, the 8800 was 4?[20:24:09] <zid> I mean, I had one, but it was a while ago now :D[20:24:16] <derhass> zid: no, max. was 1GB, the 8800 ultra came with 768 MB, and this was in 2007[20:24:24] <zid> oh dang[20:24:40] <zid> I guess memory got bigger faster than I remembered, sorry[20:24:41] <derhass> you totally over-estimate memory sizes[20:25:05] <zid> I just remember everything having nearly nothing, then everything having multiple gigabytes and not much inbetween[20:28:00] *** karab44 <karab44!~karab44@unaffiliated/karab44> has quit IRC ()[20:28:23] *** tinshoes <tinshoes!~pseudotin@2601:180:4102:bcc9:606f:f1b9:9391:dd9d> has joined ##OpenGL[20:32:30] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze <Jeanne-Kamikaze!~Jeanne-Ka@205.234.124.69> has joined ##OpenGL[20:33:15] <Exaeta> Do I need to do attribPointer after I add 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