[00:01:44] <btipling_> you know instead of trying to do opengl on mac maybe I should just do that on my android tablet
[00:01:56] <btipling_> opengl on mac sux
[00:04:35] <Stragus> Eh. What about installing Linux?
[00:06:43] <dahlia> on a mac?
[00:06:54] <danhedron> yes
[00:07:12] <danhedron> if you want modern stuff on a mac you either have to use metal or install linux
[00:07:26] <dahlia> what's the point of paying 2-3x for the hardware then?
[00:08:20] <Stragus> You get to be cool and the big apple in the sky loves you
[00:08:44] <dahlia> oh! *runs to the apple store with a fresh credit card...
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[00:42:00] <btipling_> no I don't want to mess with my mac
[00:42:07] <btipling_> I like my mac
[00:42:21] <btipling_> but opengl es 3.1 is ok right?
[00:44:16] <btipling_> right I mean for my android tablet
[00:44:26] <btipling_> so I dev on my macbook but the code runs on android
[00:44:32] <chrisf> ES3.1 isnt completely braindamaged.
[00:44:34] <btipling_> and then I get to write modern opengl
[00:44:38] <slime> 3.1 is not very well supported on android yet
[00:44:47] <btipling_> I'm just writing for me
[00:44:49] <slime> ah
[00:44:56] <slime> then yeah, es3.1 is pretty good
[00:45:00] <btipling_> kk
[00:45:18] <chrisf> slime: the ~ on that page are really sad.
[00:45:39] <slime> chrisf: the lack of fp64 on some AMD gpus?
[00:46:00] <chrisf> slime: that they claim 4.1 anyway, yes.
[00:46:08] <slime> heh
[00:46:12] <slime> well, it is optional in dx11 anyway
[00:46:38] <Stragus> Nvidia "supports" doubles but they are so slow that it's better to use double-float arithmetics
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[00:50:23] <btipling_> don't doubles double the memory
[00:50:37] <btipling_> you just use them in particular places?
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[00:50:47] <btipling_> right
[00:51:01] <btipling_> one of my books says to avoid doubles
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[00:51:12] <chrisf> (snark) you use them when you dont understand your algorithms
[00:51:18] <btipling_> :P
[00:52:31] <chrisf> "double precision moves instability problems from where your testers will find them to where your users will find them"
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[00:53:00] <Shockk> personally I prefer not to use IEEE 754
[00:53:14] <chrisf> that aside, there are cases where it's important and justified
[00:53:16] <Stragus> Eheh. There are some problem with numerical precisions is difficult to preserve, doubles are handy
[00:53:28] <chrisf> the problems Stragus is working on :)
[00:53:51] <Stragus> problems where*
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[00:55:59] <Shockk> fixed point with integers is usually pretty nice
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[01:07:12] <dahlia> so move the origin
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[01:47:54] <INSANU> where can I read how to compute a ray direction considering the camera position? related to raytracing =)
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[01:52:01] <Stragus> You just need to perform the inverse transformation, using XY from the cursor position (-1.0 to 1.0), setting Z to 0.0 (near plane) and 1.0 (far plane)
[01:52:32] <Stragus> That gives you two points between which you trace your ray
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[01:56:48] <INSANU> Stragus: thank you =)
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[03:15:39] <nine_milli> do you have to call glGenMipMap every time you change the pixels of a texture?
[03:15:44] <nine_milli> seems very expensive
[03:19:18] <Stragus> What's that texture you are updating constantly?
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[03:39:13] <chrisf> nine_milli: if you want the rest of the mipchain to be consistent with your changes, yes. there was automatic mipmap generation, but it's evil and dead. generally avoid what you're doing, though....
[03:39:41] <nine_milli> i just wanna blit a 2d frame
[03:39:53] <chrisf> why do you care about mipmaps then
[03:40:14] <nine_milli> I write the ixels to a texture to display a frame
[03:40:18] <nine_milli> *pixels
[03:40:31] <nine_milli> then just draw a quad
[03:40:34] <Stragus> Then don't use mipmaps or mipmap filtering
[03:40:44] <nine_milli> if I dont call it nothing shows
[03:40:56] <Stragus> Switch to GL_LINEAR instead of mipmap filtering
[03:42:25] <nine_milli> GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER / GL_TEXTURE_MAG_FILTER GL_LINEAR ?
[03:43:12] <Stragus> Yup
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[03:45:46] <nine_milli> hmm i have that but nothing shows if i dont call genmipmap
[03:46:40] <slime> do you have it on the correct texture?
[03:48:31] <nine_milli> yes i only have 1 texture
[03:48:47] <slime> is it bound when you make the glTexParameter calls
[03:48:49] <slime> +?
[03:49:52] <nine_milli> yes, i even copied it where i had the mipmap call
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[03:50:12] <slime> what's your code?
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[03:51:37] <nine_milli> angle on windows
[03:52:34] <Stragus> He's asking to see the code
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[03:58:26] <nine_milli> i’ll post tomorrow it’s messy right now
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[08:37:57] <funfunctor> Hi
[08:38:17] <funfunctor> Anyone around who has used GL_AMD_pinned_memory at all?
[08:41:09] <Stragus> Not me, but I believe you can get pretty much the same result with persistent and coherent mapped buffers
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[09:44:52] <funfunctor> Stragus: same result yes
[09:45:13] <funfunctor> different though..
[09:45:47] <funfunctor> on AMD hw it can be a lot faster than PBO's
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[10:57:06] <Guest_84747> allah is doing
[10:57:33] <Guest_84747> sun is not doing allah is doing
[10:57:42] <danhedron> mods
[10:57:42] <Guest_84747> moon is not doing allah is doing
[10:57:51] <Guest_84747> stars are not doing allah is doing
[10:58:01] <Guest_84747> planets are not doing allah is doing
[10:58:13] <Guest_84747> galaxies are not doing allah is doing
[10:58:28] <Guest_84747> oceans are not doing allah is doing
[10:58:38] <Guest_84747> mountains are not doing allah is doing
[10:58:59] <Guest_84747> trees are not doing allah is doing
[10:59:19] <Guest_84747> mom is not doing allah is doing
[10:59:26] <Guest_84747> dad is not doing allah is doing
[10:59:35] <Guest_84747> boss is not doing allah is doing
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[10:59:45] <Guest_84747> job is not doing allah is doing
[10:59:58] <Guest_84747> dollar is not doing allah is doing
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[11:00:09] <Guest_84747> degree is not doing allah is doing
[11:00:25] <Guest_84747> medicine is not doing allah is doing
[11:00:33] <Guest_84747> customers are not doing allah is doing
[11:01:03] <Guest_84747> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
[11:01:17] <Guest_84747> you can not get married without the permission of allah
[11:01:34] <Guest_84747> nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
[11:01:42] <Guest_84747> light is not doing allah is doing
[11:01:55] <Guest_84747> fan is not doing allah is doing
[11:02:39] <Guest_84747> businessess are not doing allah is doing
[11:02:47] <Guest_84747> america is not doing allah is doing
[11:02:58] <Guest_84747> fire can not burn without the permission of allah
[11:03:11] <Guest_84747> knife can not cut without the permission of allah
[11:03:18] <Guest_84747> rulers are not doing allah is doing
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[11:07:48] <Guest_84747> governments are not doing allah is doing
[11:07:58] <Guest_84747> sleep is not doing allah is doing
[11:08:04] <Guest_84747> hunger is not doing allah is doing
[11:08:18] <Guest_84747> food does not take away the hunger allah takes away the hunger
[11:08:37] <Guest_84747> water does not take away the thirst allah takes away the thirst
[11:08:43] <Guest_84747> seeing is not doing allah is doing
[11:08:48] <Guest_84747> hearing is not doing allah is doing
[11:08:54] <Guest_84747> seasons are not doing allah is doing
[11:09:23] <Guest_84747> weather is not doing allah is doing
[11:09:32] <Guest_84747> humans are not doing allah is doing
[11:09:59] <Guest_84747> animals are not doing allah is doing
[11:10:18] <Guest_84747> the best amongst you are those who learn and then teach quran
[11:10:43] <Guest_84747> one letter read from book of allah amounts to one good deed and allah multiplies one good deed ten times
[11:11:17] <Guest_84747> hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of quran and rememberance of death
[11:11:28] <Guest_84747> heart is likened to a mirror
[11:11:43] <Guest_84747> when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart
[11:12:33] <Guest_84747> to accept islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worhy of worship except allah and muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger
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[11:13:52] <Guest_84747> allah created the sky without any pillars
[11:14:10] <Guest_84747> allah makes the sun rise from the east and allah makes the sun set in the west
[11:14:23] <Guest_84747> allah makes the day into the night and allah makes the night into the day
[11:14:37] <Guest_84747> allah gives life and allah gives death
[11:14:52] <Guest_84747> all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless
[11:14:54] <Guest_84747> can not do
[11:14:59] <Guest_84747> can not benefit
[11:15:03] <Guest_84747> can not harm
[11:15:22] <Guest_84747> allah is the doer of each and everything
[11:15:31] <Guest_84747> when allah wants us to stand we stand
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[11:17:42] <danhedron> They seem to type that by hand every time
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[16:22:23] <btipling> was that necessary
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[16:25:08] <chaiomanot> aloha snackbar
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[16:26:11] <chaiomanot> danhedron, it may interest you to know, that guest was practicing jihad
[16:26:35] <danhedron> ?
[16:26:38] <chaiomanot> jihad doesn't have to be violent
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[16:28:08] <Xeek> This is the first time I'e seen jihad in the context of spam
[16:28:53] <Yaniel> I'd say spam is quite violent
[16:28:56] * Xeek doesn't think it works
[16:29:12] <Xeek> If it gets him his 7000 virgins, good for him.
[16:29:39] <danhedron> they've been spamming some other channels
[16:30:00] <Yaniel> not just some
[16:30:09] <Yaniel> like all the channels
[16:30:43] <Xeek> It's a hell of a lot easier than taping a bomb to your chest. Good for them.
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[16:31:26] <Yaniel> healthier too
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[16:31:42] <danhedron> fried spam is pretty good
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[16:40:15] <Serus> ##OpenSavagery
[16:41:49] <Yaniel> well, at least they don't autorejoin
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[17:02:51] <Serus> honestly, we need more mods
[17:02:54] <Serus> open mods
[17:03:12] <Serus> not this mods in hiding freenode bs
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[17:03:34] <Serus> and just more mods so we can react more quickly to stuff like this
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[20:42:25] <roxlu> Hey! When I have an image buffer with just one channel (bitmap font), is there a way to load it into a texture as GL_RGBA, where RGB becomes 1.0f and A the actual value?
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[20:50:31] <Xeek> maybe just load it in as an RGBA, leave R, G, and B 0. Your shader can do the rest of the color handling
[20:50:55] <roxlu> Xeek: that's what I'm doing now, but that means that I need a separate shader to render a bitmap font
[20:51:12] <roxlu> I want to use my general shader that I use to render images
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[20:51:22] <Xeek> i abandoned that idea a while back :-|
[20:51:52] <Stragus> Use specialized shaders
[20:52:00] <roxlu> :) A simple fix would be to convert the data myself.
[20:52:00] <Xeek> in any case you'll have to separte the drawing calls for your text if you want to make it any other color
[20:52:16] <roxlu> Stragus: that means lots of changing between shaders (unnessary)
[20:52:23] <Xeek> nah, I wouldn't mess wtih teh buffer after that, let the shader do the work, its faster
[20:52:33] <roxlu> Xeek: no not necessarily
[20:52:38] <Xeek> roxlu: you have to stop to change the color anyway, might as well switch the shader
[20:52:46] <roxlu> Xeek: it's not faster if I have to switch between shader
[20:53:09] <roxlu> Converting it once during initialisation compared to switching is not a bad idea
[20:53:21] <Stragus> Then don't switch between shaders, render everything using shader A before switching to B
[20:53:21] <Xeek> roxlu: if you're going to change all of the pixels for a certain color thats going to take time, the shader can do something like that on the fly so I owudl rather switch the shader since I would have to switch the color uniform anyway
[20:53:42] <roxlu> Xeek: my shader supports color: color * tex_color
[20:53:56] <Stragus> It is a bad idea to convert single-channel data to RGBA, you will consume 4 times as much memory bandwidth!
[20:54:06] <Xeek> roxlu: then you just need to set your texture to be 1.0, 1.0, 1.0, ALPHA
[20:54:16] <roxlu> Stragus: it's only for a font-map (~256x256 pixels)
[20:54:22] <Stragus> Still a bad idea
[20:54:40] <roxlu> Stragus: compared to switching between shaders?
[20:54:43] <Stragus> Yes
[20:54:52] <roxlu> why?
[20:55:03] <Stragus> Switching between shaders is very cheap, what is expensive are distinct Draw() calls and texture switches
[20:55:13] <Xeek> roxlu: unfortuantely you're not going to be able to draw everything, absolutely in one draw call. You're gonig ot have to stop and switch shaders or set uniforms at some point. Let go. :-) heh
[20:55:19] <Stragus> I assume you aren't using the same texture, so you already have distinct Draw() calls
[20:56:57] <roxlu> yeah
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[21:18:34] <grim001> Stragus: binding shader programs is cheap? I heard that it was one of the most expensive state changes aside from FBO binds
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[21:19:04] <grim001> although maybe it's faster after the first time if it's retained in GPU memory
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[21:20:53] <roxlu> grim001: yeah, I'm pretty sure they are expensive (especially in this case)
[21:22:50] <bookmark> is there a way to get facingness in glsl?
[21:22:57] <grim001> that said, you would probably be fine with a simple uniform setting or a specialized shader since you're probably going to render all your text in one go
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[22:39:12] <anli_> I am about to do a unprojecting, which Z should I use for the start vertex? 0?
[22:39:43] <derhass> the z of the point you want to unproject
[22:40:06] <anli_> yes and what would that be? the distance to the near clipping plane?
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[22:41:20] <derhass> how should I know which point you want to unproject?
[22:41:49] <anli_> I have x and y which are screen coordinates where 0, 0 is at the center
[22:42:24] <anli_> I want to unproject the point that the user is clicking at
[22:43:57] <Codex2> best solution i've found was simple ray-object intersection.... but that didnt do real unproject stuff
[22:43:57] <derhass> the 2d mouse coords do not define a point in 3d space, but a ray
[22:44:12] <derhass> so either you use some extra information, like the z-buffer, to unproject a point
[22:44:26] <derhass> or you use some more or less arbitrary piont
[22:44:34] <derhass> *point
[22:44:44] <anli_> I want to unproject the point where the projection goes, which I think is the near clipping plane
[22:44:46] <Codex2> oh, depth buffer is good choice too
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[22:45:08] <derhass> there is no projection plane at all
[22:45:09] <anli_> Hm
[22:45:18] <anli_> But there is a projection on a plane
[22:46:03] <derhass> but that is not what the projection does, and not what "unprojection: is inverting
[22:46:23] <anli_> I want to set z to be the z of that plane
[22:46:41] <derhass> well
[22:46:49] <derhass> it doesn't have one
[22:47:29] <derhass> but you are probably good enough just using the near plane
[22:47:48] <anli_> Ah, and 1 the far one
[22:47:53] <anli_> That makes totally sense to me
[22:48:02] <anli_> Thanks for taking your time answering my question
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[22:50:37] <derhass> anli_: the question you might ask yourself could be "what difference does it make if the near plane, the far plane, or another plane parallel to that is used"?
[22:51:20] <anli_> The difference is that I want to unproject the screen point as if the near plane was clicked and nothing else
[22:53:33] <derhass> well. you didn't know which point you want to unproject before. now you seem to do
[22:53:46] <anli_> Now I am totally convinced
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[22:54:41] <anli_> A good feeling, regardless of its correctness
[22:55:16] <Xeek> nanovg is starting to suck
[22:55:17] <anli_> Hm, my unprojection results in a z thats 7.5, but my model was translated -7 in z direction (mv matrix)
[22:55:49] <Xeek> using nanovg to create a frame buffer object, but anything I draw to it isn't being drawn at 0,0, but rather 50,50 (which is the width and height of my fbo)
[22:56:00] <Xeek> maybe glViewport is screwing with me again
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[23:03:36] <Xeek> or really with nanogf my framebuffer object is mirrored and upside down, so odd
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