January 22, 2009 
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January 22, 2009 [00:00:24] *** AlastairLynn has joined ##opengl[00:00:25] *** AlastairLynn has quit IRC[00:00:33] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[00:07:50] *** reprore_ has quit IRC[00:09:23] *** XT95___ has quit IRC[00:09:40] *** georgia72 has joined ##OpenGL[00:11:22] <paul424> MatthiasM: may I ask something ?[00:11:48] <MatthiasM> about one of my projects ?[00:12:12] <paul424> hmm maybe ........[00:12:26] *** dv_ has joined ##opengl[00:13:01] <paul424> how one does the sun ...... I mean how to get the sun to look blurred .... also how to get the "corona" or something when you look at the close angle at the sun circle ......[00:13:21] <MatthiasM> use a texture or a shader[00:13:28] *** Sudi has joined ##OpenGL[00:15:03] <paul424> shader not cause i have g2mx[00:22:25] <paul424> MatthiasM: do you know any site which would feauture all the 3d effects some description and their names ...... when googling nothing worth shows up[00:23:09] <MatthiasM> nvidia has a sdk with example code and text[00:25:05] *** |t4bz| has quit IRC[00:26:09] *** |t4bz| has joined ##OpenGL[00:26:10] <paul424> ok[00:30:03] *** polcor has joined ##OpenGL[00:37:51] *** b0000 has quit IRC[00:46:13] *** Amorphous has quit IRC[00:46:15] *** kbotnen has quit IRC[00:46:50] *** ixtli has quit IRC[00:49:33] *** Amorphous has joined ##opengl[00:50:39] *** ixtli has joined ##OpenGL[01:00:00] *** elite01 has quit IRC[01:09:38] *** Quentarez has quit IRC[01:15:14] *** pietia has quit IRC[01:16:56] *** paul424 has quit IRC[01:20:23] *** KU0N has quit IRC[01:24:56] *** Nescafe has quit IRC[01:27:56] *** Shakedown has joined ##OpenGL[01:28:59] <Shakedown> So if I need to write some OpenGL code on Ubuntu (and execute it too), what do I need to get?[01:29:39] *** eXtronuS_ has quit IRC[01:30:47] <Shakedown> Anybody?[01:32:48] <Shakedown> Do I need GLUT or SDL?[01:33:28] *** flazz has quit IRC[01:34:33] *** schwinn434 has joined ##OpenGL[01:35:04] *** iion has joined ##OpenGL[01:35:30] *** flazz has joined ##OpenGL[01:38:18] *** Shakedown has left ##OpenGL[01:39:37] *** schwinn434 has quit IRC[01:39:51] *** schwinn434 has joined ##OpenGL[01:41:09] *** LtJax has quit IRC[01:43:39] *** druggy has joined ##opengl[01:44:36] *** schwinn434 has quit IRC[01:44:45] *** dvoid has quit IRC[01:45:52] *** schwinn434 has joined ##OpenGL[01:48:25] *** druggy_ has quit IRC[01:49:46] *** NotWil has joined ##OpenGL[01:50:15] *** nytejade__ has joined ##OpenGL[01:52:06] *** geocalc has quit IRC[01:52:06] 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I'm a bit hazy on how you do a delaunay triangulation of a complex region (i.e. one with holes or concave bits) and work out which triangles are outside.[10:32:06] *** scai has joined ##opengl[10:32:29] <exDM69> quicksilver: I have absolutely no idea, I've only used the GLU tesselator[10:33:02] <exDM69> quicksilver: delaunay triangulation is a different method altogether[10:33:24] *** Rangar has joined ##OpenGL[10:33:37] <quicksilver> exDM69: loop/blinn appear to think its obvious :)[10:33:44] <quicksilver> exDM69: they don't even given a reference.[10:33:58] <exDM69> it (sort of) is obvious[10:36:25] <quicksilver> there appear to be some answers here : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~quake/triangle.defs.html[10:38:44] *** Rangar has quit IRC[10:41:39] *** rabbit- has joined ##OpenGL[10:45:09] *** |Xandrew| has joined ##OpenGL[10:45:18] *** Spkka has joined ##OpenGL[10:50:40] <exDM69> quicksilver: did you find wikipedia of any help?[10:50:57] <exDM69> quicksilver: there are some delunay implementations out there too[10:54:35] <|Xandrew|> Hi, i have problems compiling my first OpenGL program -> http://pastebin.ca/1315589. Could someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong. Trying to follow OpenGL Graphics Through Applications[10:55:08] *** predaeus has joined ##opengl[10:55:19] *** pietia has joined ##OpenGL[10:56:51] <zacs7> |Xandrew|: did you link with the GL libs?[10:57:16] <TenOfTen> nope[10:57:19] <TenOfTen> Xantoz: -lGL[10:57:25] <zacs7> |Xandrew|: Nevermind just saw it[10:57:41] *** Suprano has joined ##OpenGL[10:57:41] <zacs7> and with glu and glut[10:57:50] <zacs7> and maybe xlib[10:59:12] <|Xandrew|> But I have #include <X11/Xlib.h> and i link with the /usr/X11R6/include/ where X11/Xlib.h are. Isn't that enough[11:00:08] *** NevroPus has joined ##OpenGL[11:00:12] *** stringfellow_ is now known as stringfellow[11:00:31] <quicksilver> exDM69: Yeah, I understand the simple case of delaunay.[11:00:46] <quicksilver> exDM69: what I don't understand is how you work out which triangles are "inside" and which are "outside"[11:01:01] <quicksilver> exDM69: (with the stencil buffer approach you use the winding/xor trick)[11:01:55] <quicksilver> |Xandrew|: No.[11:02:04] <quicksilver> |Xandrew|: you need to specify the libraries you link to.[11:03:14] <|Xandrew|> Ok[11:04:07] <exDM69> quicksilver: I recon they must have something like that too[11:10:03] <|Xandrew|> g++ -I /usr/X11R6/include/ -IGL -IXlib -Iglut -Iglu open.cpp doesn't seem to help[11:10:39] <Plagman> no -lGL there[11:11:01] <zacs7> "L" not "i"[11:11:06] <Plagman> lowercase l[11:11:07] <Plagman> not L[11:11:12] <zacs7> no shit[11:13:40] *** neoneye has joined ##OpenGL[11:15:58] <|Xandrew|> g++ -I /usr/X11R6/include/ -lXlib -lglut -lglu open.cpp ? Firs parameter is with uppercase i and the rest are lowercase L[11:18:16] *** Ingenu has joined ##OpenGL[11:19:20] *** UUncia has quit IRC[11:19:45] <|Xandrew|> cannot find -lGL[11:22:15] <Plagman> you're in trouble[11:22:26] <exDM69> |Xandrew|: what OS are you on? on windows and osx the library has a different name[11:22:32] <Plagman> you either need some drivers or some packages installed[11:22:45] <Plagman> seems he's on Unix[11:22:53] <Plagman> what distro?[11:22:54] <zacs7> exDM69: he's using the X headers so not windows...[11:23:10] <|Xandrew|> PC-BSD[11:23:31] <Plagman> you need to install the mesa development packages[11:23:34] <Plagman> whatever they are[11:23:46] <Plagman> exDM69: -lopengl32 on win32, actually[11:23:52] <zacs7> BSD... woah?[11:24:16] <exDM69> Plagman: oops, you're right[11:25:11] <|Xandrew|> Well, now I know a bit of what the problem was. I'll look around and see if I can google for it now when I know what I'm looking for. Thanks![11:25:28] <Plagman> what hardware are you running?[11:25:29] <exDM69> |Xandrew|: locate your libGL.a[11:25:45] <Plagman> |libGL.so[11:26:41] <exDM69> hmmh, why there is no libGL.a?[11:27:19] *** Suprano has quit IRC[11:28:31] <|Xandrew|> I foud /usr/local/lib/libGL.so[11:29:38] <exDM69> |Xandrew|: then make sure that /usr/local/lib is in your linker's path[11:29:59] <exDM69> g++ -L/usr/local/lib -lGL ...[11:36:11] <|Xandrew|> root@pcbsd# g++ -I /usr/X11R6/include/ -L /usr/local/lib -lGL -lXlib -lglut -lglu -lgl open.cpp[11:36:23] <zacs7> not as root I hope[11:36:47] <zacs7> ... why the hell are you root?[11:37:11] <|Xandrew|> Tried if that would make any diffrence, but it didn't[11:51:21] *** rabbit- has quit IRC[11:56:39] *** zacs7 has quit IRC[12:00:31] <|Xandrew|> Hi, just wanted to share my solution with you, after installing mesagl the correct syntax was:[12:01:01] <|Xandrew|> g++ -I /usr/X11R6/include/ -L /usr/local/lib/ -lGL -lglut open.cpp[12:02:23] <|Xandrew|> Thanks for all the help![12:05:31] *** McLovin` has joined ##opengl[12:10:48] *** gusnan has joined ##OpenGL[12:11:06] *** Rangar has joined ##OpenGL[12:18:56] *** UUncia has joined ##OpenGL[12:23:32] *** zwiep` has quit IRC[12:24:12] *** |Xandrew| has quit IRC[12:29:58] *** Sos has joined ##opengl[12:35:06] *** litb has joined ##OpenGL[12:35:08] <litb> hi all[12:35:22] <litb> why can i call glVertex2f* outside glBegin/glEnd ?[12:35:27] <litb> isn't that stupid?[12:36:02] <litb> the teacher says that if i call it outside, then it will silently ignore that. why doesn't it assert ?[12:36:25] <dindinx> litb: Invoking glVertex outside of a glBegin/glEnd pair results in[12:36:26] <dindinx> undefined behavior.[12:36:34] <dindinx> (from the man page)[12:37:42] <litb> oh thanks. i guess teh teacher is wrong then :/[12:38:11] <litb> he said there is an if(withinBeginEnd) return; at the top of glVertex[12:38:26] <litb> i mean if(!withinBeginEnd) return;[12:38:55] <dindinx> may be on the implementation he's using. But there's not guaranty about that.[12:39:19] *** georgia72 has quit IRC[12:39:30] <litb> oh ok. i had no idea there are nice manpages for those funs. thanks mate[12:41:01] *** kenws has joined ##OpenGL[12:41:45] <dindinx> yw.[12:42:07] <litb> so i better don't use it outside those. too bad when it formats my disk[12:43:13] <dindinx> http://www.opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/ <= you can access the man pages here.[12:44:01] <litb> thanks. well i've them all on my disk. haven't known that[12:44:21] <litb> i've got too much stuff on my disk i don't know about. that's scary...[12:45:20] *** johndoe has joined ##opengl[12:45:27] *** Xandrew has joined ##OpenGL[12:45:28] <quicksilver> litb: there are lots of cases where openGL could assert where instead it just behaves in an undefined way.[12:45:31] <quicksilver> it is very annoying.[12:45:36] <quicksilver> No doubt the justification was performance.[12:45:58] *** groton has quit IRC[12:46:04] <litb> yeah i won't moan about it. if i would, i would have to screw c++ aswell[12:46:14] *** groton has joined ##OpenGL[12:50:42] *** Rangar has quit IRC[12:57:20] *** elite01 has joined ##opengl[12:58:42] <pwned> quicksilver: some libraries allow a #define to go into assert mode[12:59:10] * quicksilver nods[12:59:19] <quicksilver> that only works if you recompile the lirbary though.[12:59:30] <quicksilver> most people don't compile their opengl library, they just use the one provided by their OS.[12:59:50] <pwned> I mean #define WTF and in the library code: #ifdef WTF assert(..[12:59:57] <pwned> that's preprocessing time, not compile time[13:00:12] <pwned> I mean the header[13:00:14] <pwned> ok nevermind[13:03:47] *** litb has quit IRC[13:30:53] *** djork has joined ##opengl[13:32:27] *** eXtronuS_ has joined ##OpenGL[13:33:28] <dennda> The only thing I'm seeing is a completely green screen. What simple thing am I missing? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/ZCOsk4QgPDfBnckHbJ3z/[13:37:28] *** UUncia has quit IRC[13:40:34] *** eXtronuS_ has left ##OpenGL[13:42:35] *** fw0rd has quit IRC[13:43:17] <dennda> got it[13:43:59] <exDM69> dennda: "camera" too close?[13:44:20] <exDM69> or inside the cube?[13:44:25] <dennda> exDM69: no, neither[13:44:37] <dennda> exDM69: see lines 58-60[13:44:42] <dennda> where the camera is set[13:44:54] <dennda> then in line 62 the call to the cube drawing function[13:45:24] <dennda> where in line 10 and 11 the modelview matrix is *AGAIN* overwritten with the identity matrix and thus the camera thing is discarded[13:45:42] <dennda> so essentially yes, it's using the standard camera in the origin and is thus looking at one face from inside the cube[13:45:52] <dennda> at least that's my guess[13:45:53] <dennda> :-)[13:55:07] *** BenPa85 has joined ##opengl[13:56:59] *** yno has joined ##OpenGL[13:57:11] <yno> hi[14:02:10] *** loonysalmon has joined ##OpenGL[14:02:12] *** loonysalmon has left ##OpenGL[14:08:21] *** tot has joined ##opengl[14:18:19] *** paul424 has joined ##OpenGL[14:18:20] *** groton has quit IRC[14:19:03] *** groton has joined ##OpenGL[14:19:28] *** TenOfTen has quit IRC[14:21:49] *** djork has quit IRC[14:22:37] <paul424> I do some mash terrain and all is draw on a part of a sphere, the code is written to be the sphere radious whatever you choose, but when setting very large one the terrain is not draw properly - some polygons are missing, making cracks in the mash ... I suppose this might be something with z-buffer and its capacity. Anyone could help ?[14:22:42] *** tot is now known as TenOfTen[14:25:28] *** Suprano has joined ##OpenGL[14:26:08] <paul424> MatthiasM: ??[14:33:24] <predaeus> paul424, screenshot?[14:34:11] <paul424> ok now works well, the problem was with the proper proportions of glfrustum, which wasn't scaled at all ....[14:34:30] *** gusnan has quit IRC[14:35:58] <paul424> predaeus: do you know some sdk showing some opengl effects, recently someone gave the link to the nvidia sd k 9, but it features the newest effect like shading etc., but I have the geforce2mx and almost nothing works well ....[14:39:33] *** BenPa85 has quit IRC[14:44:22] *** KU0N has joined ##opengl[14:45:04] *** scai has left ##opengl[14:56:41] *** Blaay has joined ##OpenGL[15:07:44] *** dv_ has quit IRC[15:12:08] *** pietia has quit IRC[15:12:53] *** pietia has joined ##OpenGL[15:15:07] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[15:26:11] *** xkpe has joined ##OpenGL[15:27:15] *** loonysalmon has joined ##OpenGL[15:27:45] *** loonysalmon has quit IRC[15:28:01] *** loonysalmon has joined ##OpenGL[15:28:33] *** loonysalmon has left ##OpenGL[15:34:31] <dennda> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/100811 <-- When increasing the level of the sponge (by pressing a repeatedly) the lines where the cubes intersect start to flicker. How can I get rid of that nasty effect?[15:35:30] <dennda> by pressing the key "a", that is[15:38:26] <Weiss> z-fighting?[15:38:47] *** suppahsrv has quit IRC[15:45:17] <quicksilver> flicker only when you press the button?[15:45:23] <quicksilver> or keep flickering thereafter?[15:46:30] *** vade has joined ##OpenGL[15:47:01] *** Ingenu has joined ##OpenGL[15:55:43] *** rnx has left ##opengl[16:00:40] *** suppahsrv has joined ##OpenGL[16:01:17] *** gusnan has joined ##OpenGL[16:17:05] *** jcazevedo has joined ##OpenGL[16:26:07] *** pwned has quit IRC[16:26:14] *** pwned_ has joined ##opengl[16:28:20] <xkpe> i compliled his example it get flicky on the edge of 2 connected cubes together, its zfighting betwee the side face of the cube and the front face of the next cube[16:29:41] <Ingenu> pic ?[16:30:11] <quicksilver> oh, it's rotating.[16:30:24] <quicksilver> I didn't understand how z-fighting could lead to flicker on a static object.[16:30:34] <quicksilver> But now I noticed it's rotating so that would explain it.[16:32:37] *** lewymati has joined ##OpenGL[16:35:25] <predaeus> ah it's at the seems of the cubes. Where to cubes meet it is not clean.[16:35:33] <predaeus> *two cubes[16:36:47] <predaeus> dennda, put the near and far plane as close as possible to the cube. looks cool though.[16:37:34] <dennda> predaeus: ah ok, thanks[16:37:59] <predaeus> dennda, that usually helps to prevent z-fighting the others pointed out above[16:39:32] *** [AD]Turbo has quit IRC[16:39:51] <quicksilver> although if you have two perfectly aligned faces, they will z-fight whatever you do[16:40:01] <quicksilver> you should artificially separate them in that case[16:40:32] <quicksilver> shouldn't be true of a menger sponge I don't think, though[16:42:46] *** AlastairLynn has joined ##opengl[16:42:47] *** AlastairLynn has quit IRC[16:43:26] *** LtJax has joined ##opengl[16:45:07] *** KU0N has quit IRC[16:46:46] *** gusnan has quit IRC[16:51:38] <predaeus> dennda, if that doesn't seem to help you could try not to render internal quads.[16:51:54] <dennda> ok[16:52:12] <dennda> thanks guys. I will try that later. 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In my reading, I come across Python a lot. Is Python the most suitable programming language to use for graphics?[19:48:18] <Googie> I'm writing some simple stuff using C as of now[19:48:40] <Googie> but is it worthwhile for me to invest some time into learning Python?[19:50:18] *** opr has joined ##OpenGL[19:51:36] *** bijoo_osdev has joined ##opengl[19:51:37] *** bijoo_appdev has joined ##OpenGL[19:52:25] *** Googie has left ##OpenGL[19:52:32] *** bijoo_osdev_ has quit IRC[19:52:37] *** bijoo_appdev_ has quit IRC[19:54:01] <opr> is http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson.asp?lesson=01 a good guide?[19:54:47] *** vade has quit IRC[19:55:48] <xkpe> i would say so, nehe guides are good to learn[19:56:13] <HuntsMan> they're outdated[19:56:14] <xkpe> but keep in mind the modifications to openGL since the 3.0 specification[19:56:28] <xkpe> you didnt let me finish :p[19:56:29] <opr> i am new to it so i dont know :/[19:57:17] <xkpe> i dont know if there are any guides for opengl 3.0 but it imho will be harder for a newcommer[19:57:34] <xkpe> i have to go now. cya later[19:57:38] <opr> bb[19:57:48] * xkpe wave cya later[19:57:56] *** xkpe has quit IRC[20:06:06] *** elite01 has joined ##opengl[20:06:29] *** Blaay has joined ##OpenGL[20:12:31] *** eXtronuS has quit IRC[20:15:21] *** vade has joined ##OpenGL[20:17:19] *** zwiep` has joined ##opengl[20:18:34] *** xkpe has joined ##OpenGL[20:23:04] *** Nescafe has quit IRC[20:23:44] *** jfroy|emo is now known as jfroy|work[20:28:27] *** groton has joined ##OpenGL[20:33:35] *** flazz has quit IRC[20:33:55] *** flazz has joined ##OpenGL[20:34:20] *** stringfellow has joined ##opengl[20:34:57] *** flazz has left ##OpenGL[20:41:20] *** XT95__ has joined ##OpenGL[20:41:46] *** reviver has joined ##OpenGL[20:42:31] *** ebirn has joined ##OpenGL[20:44:32] *** reviver has quit IRC[20:47:28] *** XT95_ has quit IRC[20:51:30] *** ebirn has quit IRC[21:05:26] *** HuntsMan has quit IRC[21:09:22] *** jaswant has joined ##OpenGL[21:09:32] <jaswant> hi[21:10:17] *** m4ggus has joined ##opengl[21:10:41] <jaswant> is any one willl tell me how can i use opengl in ubantu?[21:11:20] <jaswant> hello plez[21:11:26] <yno> jaswant: ubuntu* ?[21:11:49] <jaswant> what happen[21:12:42] <jaswant> actually i want to know how can i use opengl in linut(ubatnu 8.10)[21:12:50] <jaswant> linux[21:13:19] <yno> jaswant: compile with -lGL[21:13:22] <yno> to link[21:13:33] <yno> jaswant: type $ man gcc[21:13:48] *** rabbit- has joined ##OpenGL[21:13:49] <yno> in your console[21:14:11] <jaswant> then[21:14:15] <jaswant> ?[21:14:17] <yno> read[21:19:24] <opr> dont wana sound nooby but[21:19:36] <opr> how do i get the opengl libraries to which i need to link[21:19:44] <opr> as stated in http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson.asp?lesson=01[21:20:16] <MatthiasM> opr: depends on the OS[21:20:22] <jaswant> i didn't get from there there are so many thing[21:20:28] <opr> windoze[21:21:33] <jaswant> actually i hv to do assignments i of computer graphics in that i hv to use opengl programing/[21:22:07] <jaswant> no[21:22:14] <MatthiasM> jaswant: a) learn to write "hello world" programs[21:22:28] <jaswant> i hv linux and widos[21:22:28] <jaswant> both[21:22:45] <MatthiasM> and your writing is horrible[21:23:12] <jaswant> i hv to make line and circle like thigs[21:23:27] <opr> go to windows[21:23:31] <opr> and use mspaint.exe[21:23:43] <yno> or The Gimp under Linux[21:23:53] <opr> yeah[21:24:04] <jaswant> if i want to do all thigs in linux then what do i have to do?[21:24:48] <jaswant> how can i install gimp in linux[21:25:24] <MatthiasM> jaswant: read about ubuntu - how to install packages[21:26:36] <jaswant> it is like paint in windos yaar[21:26:46] <MatthiasM> lol[21:26:53] <opr> yes[21:26:54] <jaswant> i hv to do by programing[21:27:09] <opr> it is impossible[21:27:18] <opr> you have to use paint[21:27:21] <yno> opr: think you like me that /quit can helps jaswant?[21:27:37] <jaswant> nothing is impossible[21:27:59] <MatthiasM> jaswant: if you don't know how to install packages on ubuntu then you have no change in completing this assignment[21:28:01] <jaswant> pk[21:28:01] <jaswant> thanx\[21:28:01] <jaswant> but[21:28:01] <jaswant> never say impossible[21:28:40] <jaswant> i hv done in windows but i want to do in linux[21:29:03] <jaswant> i use visual studio in window[21:29:04] <MatthiasM> anyway - I see no point in explaining anything to you[21:29:10] *** Mathias has joined ##OpenGL[21:29:27] * Mathias compise MatthiasM[21:29:32] <jaswant> no it is not like that[21:29:42] <opr> yno, i swear that /quit helps[21:29:43] *** Mathias has quit IRC[21:30:01] <opr> jaswant, i will help you if you tell me the answer too this riddle[21:30:08] <opr> s/too/to[21:30:31] <opr> if peter and /part are standing on a mountain, and peter falls off, who is left?[21:30:46] <MatthiasM> lol[21:30:55] <MatthiasM> n1 @ opr[21:31:19] *** jaswant has quit IRC[21:32:05] <yno> :D[21:32:31] <opr> aw he quit, not part :([21:33:05] <yno> more efficient[21:34:00] *** rabbit- has quit IRC[21:42:59] <opr> sorry back to my question now :0[21:43:03] <opr> http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson.asp?lesson=01[21:43:10] <opr> where to get said libraries?[21:43:34] *** Sudi has joined ##OpenGL[21:44:58] <MatthiasM> opr: on windows you have to install the ms-sdk (very big) or use minGW[21:45:11] <MatthiasM> or use Java + LWJGL[21:45:13] <opr> whats this minGW business?[21:45:21] <MatthiasM> read the website[21:45:40] <opr> what website?[21:45:47] <opr> sorry im in idiot mode[21:45:50] <MatthiasM> guess[21:46:01] <MatthiasM> and switch to another mode :P[21:46:27] <opr> tired mode locks me to idiot mode[21:47:28] <opr> in minGW i get some delicious headers ?[21:47:33] <opr> or libraries[21:47:35] <opr> whatever[21:47:45] <opr> for openG: ?[21:47:48] <opr> GL*[21:48:05] <MatthiasM> yep[21:48:10] <yno> opr: lesser than under ms sdk[21:48:16] <MatthiasM> then use glfw and glew[21:48:33] <opr> how do i get ms sdk[21:48:46] <yno> no precompiled zlib, libpng (include devil) & some others libraries for mingw[21:49:35] <MatthiasM> opr: guess[21:49:52] <opr> no, tell me[21:50:07] <MatthiasM> no[21:50:18] <opr> erjhekjghdfjkgh[21:50:21] <opr> tell me :([21:50:23] <yno> opr: "o, wat iz ms?"[21:50:25] <MatthiasM> no[21:50:30] <opr> micro$haft[21:50:34] <yno> then..[21:50:51] <opr> i type ms sdk and get the server 2003 sdk[21:50:55] <opr> i dont want this[21:51:07] <yno> opr: maybe you want a brain[21:51:18] <opr> my brain is sleeping[21:51:26] <yno> so wait[21:51:39] <opr> http://www.opengl.org/sdk/tools/[21:51:39] <yno> and try later[21:51:41] <opr> amirite?[21:58:42] *** XT95___ has joined ##OpenGL[21:58:46] *** pietia is now known as matz[22:01:45] *** matz is now known as pietia[22:02:44] <opr> guys[22:02:48] <opr> just tell me how i do this[22:02:54] <opr> its getting on my nerves[22:03:11] <MatthiasM> well - we told you[22:03:21] <opr> well how do i do mingw[22:03:27] <opr> wtf is it for starters[22:03:32] <opr> if its a compiler[22:03:34] <opr> do not want[22:03:41] <opr> i got vc++[22:04:23] <MatthiasM> lol[22:05:22] <opr> good[22:05:29] <opr> i found a nice site[22:05:42] <yno> w00t[22:06:25] <opr> who is nate robbins[22:06:47] <opr> he sounds like a goon[22:06:48] <yno> you're on the good way opr[22:07:17] <opr> platform SDK[22:07:20] <opr> is what i have now[22:07:25] <opr> guys[22:07:28] <opr> it is preparing to install[22:07:53] <yno> omg, how did you do[22:08:15] <opr> what[22:09:03] <opr> it is copying new files[22:09:11] <opr> i wonder if it does ctrl+c[22:09:19] <opr> or if it right clicks them and chooses copy[22:09:36] <MatthiasM> lol[22:09:57] <MatthiasM> opr: you have no idea at all - what are you doing here anyway ?[22:10:24] <opr> waiting for this to install[22:10:38] <opr> lol, im not an idiot you know[22:10:53] <opr> its taking forever[22:11:31] <yno> waiting for something get installed is typically for windows users[22:12:00] * opr is a windows user[22:12:11] <opr> cba doing stuff in linux[22:12:19] <opr> windows = quicker[22:12:25] <yno> I knew you are opr[22:13:03] <opr> guys[22:13:07] <opr> i am bored[22:13:17] <opr> will come back tomorrow and see if it completes[22:13:19] <opr> bye[22:15:03] *** korff_home has quit IRC[22:16:10] *** XT95__ has quit IRC[22:20:25] *** elite01 has quit IRC[22:21:17] *** eXtronuS has joined ##OpenGL[22:23:45] *** dindinx_ has joined ##opengl[22:24:33] *** eXtronuS has quit IRC[22:24:39] *** eXtronuS has joined ##OpenGL[22:24:51] *** predaeus has quit IRC[22:25:16] *** Gonzo has quit IRC[22:28:15] *** in2rd has joined ##OpenGL[22:29:56] *** b0000 has joined ##opengl[22:32:40] *** e_roder has joined ##OpenGL[22:32:46] <e_roder> hey[22:33:03] <e_roder> do i need to do any special cleanup for Cg parameters? 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