May 21, 2008 
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May 21, 2008 [00:06:07] *** elite01_ has joined ##opengl[00:06:54] *** thirdjohn1 has quit IRC[00:10:02] *** neoneurone has quit IRC[00:12:40] *** aalex has quit IRC[00:17:06] *** randity has joined ##OpenGL[00:17:38] <randity> Hi. My major language is C, and I don't feel like learning the windows API. Should I go ahead and dive into the red book?[00:23:05] *** elite01 has quit IRC[00:23:18] <rnx> no need to learn a platform specific api for opengl[00:23:49] <rnx> sdl, glut, ... plenty of open cross-platform libraries available[00:24:43] *** rsp has left ##opengl[00:26:55] *** elite01_ has quit IRC[00:33:42] *** speedy1 has quit IRC[00:39:23] *** KU0N has quit IRC[00:43:48] *** prophile has quit IRC[00:46:17] *** replor has quit IRC[00:55:18] *** Taika-Tempoe has joined ##OpenGL[00:59:30] *** sohail has joined ##OpenGL[01:01:32] *** tempoe has joined ##OpenGL[01:02:00] *** HuntsMan has quit IRC[01:02:23] *** dvoid has quit IRC[01:02:31] *** m4ggus_ has joined ##OpenGL[01:02:31] *** m4ggus has quit IRC[01:02:46] *** m4ggus_ is now known as m4ggus[01:07:14] *** ginoman has quit IRC[01:10:00] *** thirdjohn1 has joined ##OpenGL[01:13:49] *** Lucine2 has joined ##OpenGL[01:22:26] *** ginoman has joined ##OpenGL[01:23:00] *** Jorachim has joined ##openGL[01:23:18] *** Plagman_ has joined ##opengl[01:25:34] *** vampirefrog has joined ##OpenGL[01:28:26] *** m4ggus has quit IRC[01:28:28] *** m4ggus_ has joined ##OpenGL[01:28:47] *** m4ggus_ is now known as m4ggus[01:29:41] *** Satan_Inside_ is now known as Satan_Inside[01:31:53] *** Xmas| has quit IRC[01:35:19] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[01:35:26] *** MatthiasM has joined ##opengl[01:40:21] *** bbeausej_ has quit IRC[01:42:40] *** Arc_ has joined ##OpenGL[01:43:46] *** DobosCake has quit IRC[01:48:36] *** Arc has quit IRC[01:59:24] *** amz has joined ##opengl[02:05:07] *** rnx has left ##opengl[02:08:40] *** DMINATOR has quit IRC[02:10:59] *** amalon has quit IRC[02:13:37] *** vampirefrog has quit IRC[02:14:25] *** Suprano has quit IRC[02:16:29] *** Lucine2 has quit IRC[02:19:12] *** Arc_ has quit IRC[02:26:28] *** karabash has quit IRC[02:26:58] *** Lucine2 has joined ##OpenGL[02:28:24] *** Arc has joined ##OpenGL[02:30:32] *** HuntsMan has joined ##opengl[02:30:57] *** HuntsMan has quit IRC[02:32:40] *** HuntsMan has joined ##opengl[02:44:14] *** enoex_ has joined ##OpenGL[02:49:59] *** aalex has joined ##OpenGL[02:51:59] *** aalex has quit IRC[02:57:36] <rooly> so[02:57:46] <rooly> my shaders don't seem to be loading in my program[02:58:00] <rooly> actually, brb[02:58:03] *** rooly has quit IRC[02:59:17] *** rooly has joined ##OpenGL[02:59:25] <rooly> so right[02:59:29] <DragonRift> wb[02:59:30] <DragonRift> :p[03:03:00] *** mattn_ has joined ##OpenGL[03:07:19] *** Walt has quit IRC[03:11:08] *** Ragnarok has quit IRC[03:12:59] *** enoex_ has quit IRC[03:20:54] *** Amorphous has quit IRC[03:20:57] *** mattn2|home has quit IRC[03:22:21] *** Amorphous has joined ##opengl[03:31:47] *** bbeausej has joined ##OpenGL[03:31:55] *** Walt has joined ##opengl[03:33:48] *** enoex_ has joined ##OpenGL[03:35:54] *** hibread has joined ##opengl[03:38:16] *** charlie5 is now known as charlie_zzz[03:48:00] *** lepidus has quit IRC[03:49:11] *** lepidus has joined ##OpenGL[03:50:23] *** thirdjohn1 is now known as justjohn[03:53:46] *** Ralith has joined ##OpenGL[03:54:38] <Ralith> Can anyone give me some pointers for minimum polygon convex decomposition of arbitrary polygons?[03:54:57] <Ralith> two-dimensional, that is[04:06:59] <hibread> Ralith: i gather that means to construct triangles out an arbitrary polygon?[04:08:59] <Ralith> hibread: no, that's maximum polygon convex decomposition of arbitrary polygons.[04:10:08] <Ralith> why use a large number of triangles when you could instead use a small number of convex polygons?[04:10:36] <hibread> Ralith: for what purpose is this anyway? Opengl will convert your "polygons" to triangles anyway[04:12:08] <Ralith> hibread: physics simulation, actually[04:12:47] <hibread> "minimum polygon convex decomposition of arbitrary polygons" <-- i read that, but don't entirely know what it means[04:13:19] <Ralith> I'm trying to allow a user to draw arbitrary shapes, but most physics engines don't handle concave (or even more complex) polygons very well[04:13:29] <Ralith> so it has to be decomposed before being added to the simulation[04:14:31] <Ralith> hibread: http://www2.toki.or.id/book/AlgDesignManual/BOOK/BOOK5/NODE194.HTM has a description of what I want to achieve[04:14:33] <hibread> i see... make potentially a group of unspecified (concave or convex) polygons in to a set of convex polgyons?[04:14:43] *** bbeausej has quit IRC[04:15:05] <hibread> yep i see[04:15:16] <Ralith> a single polygon.[04:15:49] <Ralith> I'd be ok with an algo that only handled simple polygons, but I'd really prefer one with support for holes and even self-intersection[04:16:13] <hibread> well.. ive seriously never pondered this before, but could you just start at vertex 'a', and walk until you've found a discontinuinty in each "direction", causing a concave poly?[04:16:34] <Ralith> discontinuity?[04:16:59] <hibread> discontinuity is the wrong word[04:17:07] <hibread> a change in desired direction/angle[04:17:26] <Ralith> desired?[04:17:44] *** mattn__ has joined ##OpenGL[04:17:53] <hibread> start at vertex 'a'[04:17:53] <Ralith> this isn't an easily soluble problem[04:17:55] <hibread> go to 'b'[04:18:08] <hibread> then go back one to a - 1[04:18:16] <hibread> check the angle between those 2 vectors[04:18:35] <hibread> then go to vertex c (next to b), and check the angle from b to c[04:18:58] <Ralith> that doesn't deal with selfintersection or holes at all[04:19:04] <Ralith> and I'm not sure it would even work[04:19:27] <hibread> haha well then you're on your own... that sounds like quite a algorithm to engineer[04:19:32] <Ralith> it's been done[04:19:35] <Ralith> many times over[04:19:44] <hibread> certainly :) But i haven't done it[04:19:45] <Ralith> I just need a good explanation of *how*[04:19:46] *** mattn_ has quit IRC[04:20:24] <hibread> I guess for starters you'd need know which side of the "line" is the "object"[04:20:34] <hibread> and which side is "Space"[04:20:56] <ginoman> I've looked all over google... how do you use 3Ds Max models in OpenGL?[04:21:11] <hibread> ginoman: hehe good question[04:21:12] <Ralith> ginoman: you don't.[04:21:15] <hibread> any reason why you want to use 3ds?[04:21:29] <Ralith> ginoman: you use sets of vertexes in OpenGL.[04:21:29] <ginoman> favorite editor[04:21:40] <Ralith> ginoman: how you store and read your vertex sets is up to you[04:21:46] <hibread> ginoman: you can export in obj format or something can't you?[04:21:51] <hibread> a human readable format?[04:21:59] *** replor has joined ##OpenGL[04:22:01] <Ralith> human readable has nothing to do with it[04:22:20] <hibread> ive built an importer for 3ds files.. quite fun that was[04:22:42] <hibread> the reading part is simple, but then recreating the mesh from smoothing groups/angles etc is a little involved[04:22:55] <ginoman> how about ShockWave 3D[04:23:03] <hibread> Ralith: ther is lib3ds[04:23:29] <hibread> Ralith: http://lib3ds.sourceforge.net/[04:23:40] <Ralith> hibread: what[04:23:43] <Ralith> hibread: that's not part of opengl[04:23:54] <Ralith> ginoman: I don't think you understand what OpenGL is.[04:23:54] <hibread> sorry, ginoman[04:23:55] <hibread> i ment[04:24:15] <ginoman> OpenGL provides a bare interface to the accelerated graphics hardware[04:24:29] <hibread> ginoman: yeah i do believe also you are quite mis-informed about what opengl is, and how it works[04:24:34] <Ralith> bare? I wouldn't call it that.[04:24:41] <Ralith> and it's not for interfacing to hardware, either[04:24:47] <Ralith> it's for rendering.[04:24:56] <ginoman> ok.... enlighten me.... because I have no idea what I'm doing[04:24:58] <Ralith> A particular implementation may use hardware to accelerate that process, and most do.[04:25:11] <ginoman> I'm trying to write an engine to make first person shooter's from[04:25:15] <Ralith> however, OpenGL works just fine on systems without any such acceleration hardware.[04:25:28] <Ralith> ginoman: you're in way over your head.[04:25:51] <ginoman> and I'm too cheap to just use the unreal, quake, or steam engines[04:25:52] <Satan_Inside> actually the OpenGL API (just as the Direct3D API) is a hardware interface[04:26:06] <Satan_Inside> a highly abstracted hardware interface of course[04:26:07] <Ralith> ginoman: there's no such thing as the 'steam' engine[04:26:20] <hibread> ginoman: there are other engines for you to use[04:26:27] <hibread> ginoman: such as Ogre[04:26:29] <ginoman> maybe I am in over my head[04:26:32] <hibread> Ogre3d[04:26:35] <Ralith> Satan_Inside: no, I'm pretty certain OpenGL is and has always been a rendering toolkit standard which is frequently implemented in such a way as to use hardware acceleration.[04:27:02] <Satan_Inside> and what makes you think that the CPU isn't "hardware"[04:27:13] <Satan_Inside> and that the OpenGL API isn't somehow an interface to that?[04:27:18] <Ralith> you clearly aren't familiar with the relevant terminology.[04:27:21] <Satan_Inside> hint -- it is[04:27:33] <Ralith> either that, or you're just uninterested in useful debate :P[04:27:38] <Satan_Inside> and you clearly aren't familiar with reality :P[04:28:04] <Ralith> you're not a very good troll.[04:28:34] <Satan_Inside> the fact of the matter is that it *is* a highly abstracted interface to rendering hardware... hardware being FPGAs (if you wanted), a GPU or GPUs, a CPU or CPUs, another coprocessor, ...[04:28:47] <Satan_Inside> and there isn't anything trollish about what I've just stated[04:29:29] <Satan_Inside> its quite obvious -- I'm imagine completely obvious to damn near everyone else on this channel in fact :P[04:29:34] <Satan_Inside> err I'd imagine[04:31:56] <hibread> Ralith: anyway, as far as an explanation of this decomposition is concerned, there'd have to be some papers out there. Asking such a question in a chan such as ##opengl, will get you near on nowhere :)[04:38:50] *** speedy1 has joined ##OpenGL[04:39:01] *** speedy1 has quit IRC[04:47:47] <hibread> Ralith: just a passing thought, could you initially divide the system up into triangles, then find the triangles that share a side, but also allow a convex shape?[04:53:48] *** Dew420 has quit IRC[04:59:26] *** ata2 has joined ##OpenGL[04:59:35] *** ata2 has quit IRC[05:01:00] <Ralith> hibread: yeah, that's one way, but it's a good bit less computationally efficient than the 'true' algorithms[05:01:39] *** lepidus has quit IRC[05:03:14] <ginoman> hey, I'm thinking of beginning to use torque game builder to make games... is there a way to make the cursor the windows cursor instead of the generated cursor[05:03:49] <Ralith> ginoman: does this look like #torque to you?[05:04:06] <ginoman> n/m[05:04:08] <ginoman> :([05:04:18] <ginoman> I guess I'll have to ask there[05:04:34] <Ralith> you should probably take numerous steps back and start off with some simple demos in your programming language of choice[05:04:50] <ginoman> all I know is the language[05:04:59] <Ralith> 'the language'?[05:05:01] <ginoman> I don't even know all the extra STL things[05:05:08] <ginoman> I know C++[05:05:15] <Ralith> C++ is a language[05:05:18] <ginoman> yes[05:05:25] <ginoman> I don't know the STL very well though[05:05:37] <ginoman> I know streams, strings, and fstreams[05:05:47] <Ralith> ok?[05:06:11] <ginoman> I tried to learn DirectX and hated it because I could never get it to work[05:06:32] <Ralith> OpenGL is nice and simple. Go work through some of the NeHe tutorials, for starters.[05:06:43] <ginoman> I was learning Qt 4 until I switched to windows to play games[05:06:53] <ginoman> so I decided to try and learn OpenGL[05:06:59] <Ralith> Qt runs on windows[05:07:02] <ginoman> I know[05:07:06] <Ralith> but it doesn't offer 3D rendering of any sort[05:07:16] <Ralith> (except insofar as allowing you to embed OpenGL contexts)[05:07:17] <ginoman> but I don't feel like coercing it to work with visual studio 2003[05:07:34] <Ralith> that is probably a major challenge, yeah[05:07:51] <ginoman> ya[05:08:08] <Ralith> so, yeah, go through nehe's tutorials[05:08:13] <Ralith> they're pretty good[05:08:20] <Ralith> and designed for windows, too[05:08:39] <ginoman> I went through the first few.... I got the programs to work but I didn't quite understand everything that was going on[05:08:58] <ginoman> I tried playing around with the code but It didn't help[05:09:09] <Ralith> reread the text of the tutorial, and if there's still something you don't understand ask about it here[05:11:01] *** citime has quit IRC[05:12:25] <ginoman> ok[05:18:36] <ginoman> what's better... the nehe tutorials, or the red-book?[05:18:40] <ginoman> for a beginner like me?[05:19:02] *** neoneye has joined ##OpenGL[05:19:10] <Ralith> the red book is, afaik, primarily a reference book, and not terribly newbie friendly[05:19:12] <Satan_Inside> the red book or something like the GL superbible IMHO[05:19:31] <Satan_Inside> the latter text is a good one to start with[05:19:47] <Ralith> the NeHe tutorials will get you familiar with the basics quickly, at which point you can go where you like[05:19:47] <Satan_Inside> furthermore it has a wonderful set of exercises[05:20:05] <Satan_Inside> they are also utter shit for a number of well known reasons[05:20:21] <Satan_Inside> which isn't at all the case with the text mentioned above[05:20:29] <Satan_Inside> of course that *does* cost money :)[05:21:39] <ginoman> unless you use *cough* bittorrent *cough*[05:22:13] <Satan_Inside> no surprise[05:22:32] <ginoman> I'm too poor to buy a copy of the book[05:22:46] <ginoman> I make minimum wage for 5 hours a week[05:23:19] <ginoman> just keeping my car filled on gas is hard[05:23:24] <Satan_Inside> indeed[05:25:52] *** Dew420 has joined ##OpenGL[05:27:33] *** hibread has quit IRC[05:32:16] *** lepidus has joined ##OpenGL[05:34:35] *** lepidus has quit IRC[05:38:21] *** ahelon has joined ##opengl[05:38:26] *** BahamutZERO has quit IRC[05:45:54] *** peda__ has joined ##OpenGL[05:50:21] *** Jorachim has quit IRC[05:51:52] *** m4ggus has quit IRC[05:58:30] *** Dew420 has quit IRC[05:58:32] *** Dew420`irie has joined ##OpenGL[06:03:44] *** peda_ has quit IRC[06:20:34] *** LiraNuna_ has joined ##OpenGL[06:21:47] *** LiraNuna_ has quit IRC[06:25:28] *** lepidus has joined ##OpenGL[06:31:31] *** LiraNuna has quit IRC[06:40:10] *** LiraNuna_ has joined ##OpenGL[06:41:02] *** LiraNuna_ has left ##OpenGL[06:43:01] <DragonRift> hi[06:53:04] *** Ragnarok has joined ##opengl[06:53:15] <Ragnarok> do I have to have light working for the fog to show?[06:54:07] <Ragnarok> because all it does it my my wireframe gray and thats it[06:55:52] <Ralith> Ragnarok: I'm not sure, but I think fog might only effect the rendering of surfaces, and not a void[06:56:09] <Ralith> so you can only see it when there's something behind it[06:56:19] <Ragnarok> hmm[06:56:28] <Ragnarok> i was trying to make it look like this[06:56:29] <Ragnarok> http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson16.jpg[06:57:02] <Ralith> set the background color to the same as the fog?[07:00:29] *** mm^away has joined ##opengl[07:01:15] *** pragma_ has joined ##opengl[07:02:32] <Ragnarok> hmm that makes it not show (heightmap) but oh well[07:03:06] <Ralith> what[07:03:21] <Ragnarok> its not thati mportant, i won't probably ever use it[07:03:26] <Ragnarok> important*[07:03:39] <Ralith> that's probably because you've got your wireframe so far into the fog and/or the fog configured to be so dense that it goes completely grey[07:03:42] <Ralith> which is expected behavior[07:05:22] <Ragnarok> ah okay[07:05:25] <Ragnarok> gotcha[07:17:38] *** mm765^away has quit IRC[07:27:17] *** rutski has joined ##OpenGL[07:32:18] <Ragnarok> so if i create my own vector class, i still have to make calls to a glVector?[07:32:23] *** sohail has quit IRC[07:33:17] <Ralith> Ragnarok: remind me what you call glVector for?[07:33:45] <HuntsMan> glVector?[07:34:10] <Ragnarok> glVectorX()[07:34:21] <HuntsMan> does that exist?[07:34:24] <Ragnarok> no[07:34:29] <HuntsMan> then?[07:34:33] <Ragnarok> X is a place holder[07:34:53] <HuntsMan> i think you mean glVertex[07:35:01] <Ragnarok> yeah[07:35:04] <Ragnarok> my bad[07:35:07] *** sohail has joined ##OpenGL[07:35:53] <HuntsMan> and, yes, making vector classes doesn't change how you provide data to OpenGL[07:36:05] <HuntsMan> probably it would be best to use VBO's rather than glVertex (Immediate mode)[07:36:36] <Ragnarok> i haven't learned VBO yet[07:52:43] *** kiras has quit IRC[08:18:35] *** amz has quit IRC[08:22:46] *** mattn__ has quit IRC[08:26:09] *** lepidus_ has joined ##OpenGL[08:31:10] *** andikr has joined ##OpenGL[08:34:51] *** Jupp3 has quit IRC[08:35:26] *** lepidus_ has quit IRC[08:36:19] *** lepidus_ has joined ##OpenGL[08:39:53] *** Jacob_ has joined ##opengl[08:42:24] *** lepidus__ has joined ##OpenGL[08:42:31] *** lepidus__ has quit IRC[08:45:09] *** dvoid has joined ##OpenGL[08:47:35] *** neoneye has quit IRC[08:50:13] *** Burga has joined ##OpenGL[08:52:31] *** Jacob_ has left ##opengl[08:54:57] <Ragnarok> HuntsMan, where good place to learn VBO?[08:55:07] *** SmokingRope has joined ##OpenGL[09:04:53] <quicksilver> google. :P[09:07:36] *** gian has left ##OpenGL[09:09:05] <quicksilver> Ragnarok: simply googling for VBO opengl gives quite a few promising results.[09:18:02] *** scy has joined ##opengl[09:25:33] *** groton has joined ##OpenGL[09:26:51] *** Walt has quit IRC[09:27:04] *** [AD]Turbo has joined ##OpenGL[09:30:10] <[AD]Turbo> yo[09:32:21] *** kenws has joined ##OpenGL[09:36:26] *** Roderic has joined ##OpenGL[09:36:27] *** Roderic is now known as Ingenu[09:43:00] *** Walt has joined ##opengl[10:06:03] *** Ralith has quit IRC[10:09:32] <groton> ciao [AD]Turbo[10:10:04] *** rutski has quit IRC[10:10:30] *** rutski has joined ##OpenGL[10:20:13] *** sohail has quit IRC[10:26:18] *** Walt has quit IRC[10:27:45] *** justjohn has quit IRC[10:44:51] *** Burga has quit IRC[10:46:58] *** Dew420`irie is now known as Dew420[10:51:30] *** XSource has joined ##OpenGL[10:51:37] *** BahamutZERO has joined ##OpenGL[11:03:39] *** juanmabc has quit IRC[11:09:34] *** blbmp_ has quit IRC[11:19:41] *** belou has joined ##OpenGL[11:35:08] *** 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<hibread> gday peoples![15:15:24] <belou_> gay people ![15:16:20] *** p3sho has joined ##OpenGL[15:16:37] <p3sho> Hello! Is there any way to emulate GLSL shaders on an Intel i915 graphics card?[15:17:15] <p3sho> using the CPU[15:17:37] <TenOfTen> maybe mesa got support?[15:17:42] <quicksilver> I thought that modern openGL implmenetations could go GLSL in software, yes.[15:17:44] <quicksilver> e.g. mesa.[15:17:55] <quicksilver> but (a) will be damn slow (b) I'm not 100% sure.[15:18:02] <p3sho> damn slow is ok[15:18:12] <TenOfTen> its good for debugging[15:18:13] <p3sho> I just want to see if it works[15:18:16] <p3sho> exactly[15:18:23] <TenOfTen> stepping cpu-code is easier than gpu[15:18:23] <Satan_Inside> yep as long as you have a software rasterizer you can do this[15:29:46] *** KU0N has quit IRC[15:35:40] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[15:40:58] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[15:41:14] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[15:43:10] *** m4ggus has joined ##opengl[15:46:22] *** [AD]Turbo has quit IRC[15:50:49] *** [AD]Turbo has joined ##OpenGL[16:03:30] *** gotan666 has joined ##OpenGL[16:11:30] *** aalex has quit IRC[16:13:49] *** fargiolas_ has joined ##OpenGL[16:15:55] *** scy has joined ##opengl[16:21:53] *** replor has joined ##OpenGL[16:23:40] *** fargiolas|afk has quit IRC[16:29:05] *** joakim12 has joined ##OpenGL[16:39:32] *** KU0N has joined ##OpenGL[16:40:59] <Ragnarok> wtf glew fails because of missing GL version[16:46:18] *** grumbel has joined ##OpenGL[16:46:47] *** p3sho has left ##OpenGL[16:56:59] *** Suprano has quit IRC[17:00:00] *** Suprano has joined ##OpenGL[17:00:18] *** gotan666 has quit IRC[17:04:45] *** BahamutZERO has quit IRC[17:04:58] *** gotan666 has joined ##OpenGL[17:12:23] *** lepidus_ has quit IRC[17:16:47] *** lepidus_ has joined ##OpenGL[17:20:20] *** sohail has joined ##OpenGL[17:22:39] *** TheLorax has joined ##opengl[17:23:45] *** bolides has joined ##OpenGL[17:29:37] *** Walt has joined ##opengl[17:34:01] *** Wagoo has quit IRC[17:39:52] *** Ingenu has quit IRC[17:40:06] *** Wagoo has joined ##opengl[17:40:15] *** gotan666 has quit IRC[17:40:15] *** Baba_ has quit IRC[17:40:26] *** KU0N_ has joined ##OpenGL[17:40:26] *** Baba_ has joined ##OpenGL[17:44:34] *** zancdar has joined ##OpenGL[17:44:59] *** zancdar has left ##opengl[17:51:49] *** KU0N has quit IRC[17:57:04] *** belou_ has quit IRC[17:57:57] *** mm765 is now known as mm765^away[17:58:17] *** bolides has quit IRC[18:01:36] *** Walt has quit IRC[18:09:28] *** [AD]Turbo has quit IRC[18:15:30] *** groton has quit IRC[18:21:05] *** Yustme has joined ##opengl[18:26:16] *** TheLorax has quit IRC[18:30:13] *** odietsch has joined ##OpenGL[18:30:44] *** jalmeida has joined ##OpenGL[18:30:47] *** cami has joined ##OpenGL[18:32:35] *** JernejL has quit IRC[18:32:44] *** jalmeida has quit IRC[18:34:02] *** mattn2|home has joined ##OpenGL[18:36:46] *** Walt has joined ##opengl[18:38:25] *** BahamutZERO has joined ##OpenGL[18:38:38] *** m4ggus has quit IRC[18:39:06] *** JernejL has joined ##OpenGL[18:39:25] *** ahelon has quit IRC[18:40:53] *** kenws has quit IRC[18:41:23] *** Walt_ has joined ##opengl[18:47:42] *** Walt has quit IRC[18:47:46] *** dvoid has quit IRC[18:49:05] *** kiras has joined ##OpenGL[18:50:14] *** dvoid has joined ##OpenGL[18:51:49] *** LordMetroid has joined ##OpenGL[18:51:58] *** andikr has joined ##OpenGL[18:57:41] *** X-Scale has joined ##OpenGL[18:57:58] *** gotan666 has joined ##OpenGL[19:04:05] *** NeoThermic has joined ##OpenGL[19:15:18] *** kenws has joined ##OpenGL[19:24:08] *** cami has quit IRC[19:26:52] *** Baba_ has quit IRC[19:27:14] *** Baba_ has joined ##OpenGL[19:29:00] *** LordMetroid has quit IRC[19:29:36] *** andikr has quit IRC[19:32:13] *** cami has joined ##OpenGL[19:32:31] *** Xmas| has joined ##OpenGL[19:46:38] *** charlie5 is now known as charlie_zzz[19:47:38] *** kenws_ has joined ##OpenGL[19:48:11] *** Jupp3 has joined ##OpenGL[19:49:01] *** abionnnn has joined ##OpenGL[19:49:04] *** joakim12 has quit IRC[19:49:40] *** cami has quit IRC[19:49:57] *** Jupp3 has quit IRC[19:50:06] *** Jupp3 has joined ##OpenGL[19:52:34] *** puffandstuff has joined ##OpenGL[19:55:20] *** Azzkikr_ has joined ##OpenGL[19:56:28] *** gotan666 has quit IRC[20:00:00] *** kenws_ has quit IRC[20:00:21] *** kenws has quit IRC[20:03:50] *** juanmabc has joined ##opengl[20:07:02] *** Azzkikr has quit IRC[20:22:33] *** DobosCake has joined ##OpenGL[20:27:22] *** amalon has joined ##opengl[20:29:29] *** X-Scale has quit IRC[20:45:36] *** Xmas| has quit IRC[20:45:54] *** phrosty has joined ##opengl[20:50:08] *** puffandstuff has quit IRC[20:51:27] *** abionnnn has quit IRC[20:56:43] *** hibread has quit IRC[21:02:38] <quicksilver> so I wanted to use blender to model stuff[21:02:41] <quicksilver> and I had to write a model loader.[21:02:51] *** groton has joined ##OpenGL[21:02:53] <quicksilver> Simplest thing seemed to be OBJ. I did that. It works. Yay \o/[21:03:06] <quicksilver> now I'm wondering about exporting blender animations.[21:03:17] <quicksilver> What's a good model format that supports animations that's not too hard to write a loader for?[21:04:52] <dv_> well[21:04:59] <dv_> most people just design their own format[21:05:32] <TenOfTen> quicksilver: write an exporter for blender[21:08:40] *** Suprano has quit IRC[21:09:11] *** Suprano has joined ##OpenGL[21:09:17] *** blbmp has joined ##OpenGL[21:10:03] *** blbmp has quit IRC[21:10:17] *** blbmp has joined ##OpenGL[21:11:37] <quicksilver> oh, ok.[21:11:52] <quicksilver> seems surprising, I'd have thought there would be a decent format out there :)[21:15:32] <prophile> there needs to be[21:17:19] <quicksilver> someone in some web apge suggested MD2 or MD5[21:19:26] *** neoneurone has joined ##OpenGL[21:21:50] *** dv_ has quit IRC[21:23:29] *** groton has quit IRC[21:23:37] *** groton_ has joined ##OpenGL[21:26:05] <Jupp3> quicksilver: raw triangle export is easier :D[21:26:17] <Jupp3> Sorry, raw FACE export[21:26:29] <Jupp3> Think they changed that, and now it exports quads aswell[21:30:24] *** Ademan has quit IRC[21:32:18] *** TheLorax has joined ##opengl[21:35:32] *** Baba_ has quit IRC[21:35:40] *** Baba__ has joined ##OpenGL[21:36:05] *** prophile has quit IRC[21:41:21] *** mm765^away is now known as mm765[21:44:01] *** mastro has quit IRC[21:59:28] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[21:59:33] *** nplus has quit IRC[22:09:21] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[22:09:23] *** nplus has quit IRC[22:10:06] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[22:10:09] *** nplus has quit IRC[22:10:18] *** nplus has joined ##OpenGL[22:10:24] *** X-Scale has joined ##OpenGL[22:19:33] *** rooly has quit IRC[22:23:04] *** Walt_ has quit IRC[22:27:25] *** PainBank1 has joined ##OpenGL[22:34:32] *** Yustme has quit IRC[22:34:53] *** keitsi has joined ##OpenGL[22:44:23] *** KU0N has joined ##OpenGL[22:46:27] *** PainBank1 has quit IRC[22:54:23] <KU0N> hello[22:56:24] *** KU0N_ has quit IRC[22:58:40] *** m4ggus has joined ##opengl[23:00:14] *** lepidus__ has joined ##OpenGL[23:14:39] *** amalon has quit IRC[23:15:53] *** Ademan has joined ##OpenGL[23:16:23] *** magnet has quit IRC[23:16:34] *** magnet_ has joined ##OpenGL[23:19:21] *** TheLorax has quit IRC[23:20:53] *** neoneurone has quit IRC[23:30:21] *** fargiolas_ has quit IRC[23:40:13] *** amalon has joined ##opengl[23:44:45] *** bolides has joined ##OpenGL[23:48:12] *** DobosCake has quit IRC[23:56:50] *** speedy1 has joined ##OpenGL[23:57:50] *** scy has left ##opengl[23:59:55] *** Xmas| has joined ##OpenGL