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[00:39:21] <Rivorus> so what does the blurb in the spec mean? that if you have multiple contexts tied to the same device they can share buffers?
[00:39:27] <Rivorus> that makes more sense i guess
[00:40:00] <Rivorus> and how come the no current context error enum isnt listed for generating buffers?
[00:40:40] <Rivorus> since thats what the error should be here
[00:41:52] <Rivorus> i just feel like the spec and the programmers guid lie to me way too often
[00:44:26] <KittyCat> no al* functions are supposed to be callable without a context
[00:44:33] <KittyCat> only alc* ones
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[00:48:39] <KittyCat> there's places where the spec mentions the intended behavior, but some drivers may not follow it because apps expect different behavior (eg. not closing a device because a context is still active; there are commercial apps that expect the device to close)
[00:51:13] <KittyCat> and places where the spec is just incomplete (they rely on feedback from users just as much as the developers being able to document it)
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[10:38:27] <logixoul> hi
[10:39:20] <logixoul> I run OpenAL in WinXP with .NET C# bindings from OpenTK, getting this error on initialization: "audio device 'default' does not exist or is tied up by another application'
[10:39:45] <logixoul> there's no apps running that could be taking over the device.
[10:40:13] <logixoul> Any ideas?
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[10:54:48] <KittyCat> logixoul, are you sending the device name to alOpenDevice?
[10:54:53] <KittyCat> or NULL?
[10:55:08] <KittyCat> alcOpenDevice, I mean
[11:06:04] <logixoul> KittyCat: null
[11:06:41] <logixoul> i'll try to find out what the actual device is called
[11:06:49] <KittyCat> does a simple C/C++ openal app work?
[11:07:42] <logixoul> haven't tried yet. but all the bindings do is pass null to alOpenDevice so it's ok
[11:09:30] <KittyCat> it might be easier to test with a C/C++ app just to rule out some error by the bindings (some bindings can be simple and direct, but I've seen some that are horribly, needlessly complex)
[11:09:58] <logixoul> ok, i'll try
[11:15:54] <logixoul> i wonder where the OpenAL installer put the headers
[11:16:04] <logixoul> (VS2008 can't find them now)
[11:16:28] <logixoul> sigh, windows doesn't have the equivalent of /usr/include, does it >_>
[11:19:43] <KittyCat> unfortunately not
[11:20:00] <KittyCat> the SDK installs them into the program files directory, though
[11:20:03] <KittyCat> I think
[11:20:57] <KittyCat> yeah, they're there. C:\Program Files\OpenAL 1.1 SDK\include
[11:21:23] <logixoul> hrm, here C:\Program Files\OpenAL only contains the installer exe (useless ;)
[11:21:36] <logixoul> ah, i think i forgot the sdk ;)
[11:29:00] <logixoul> visual studio entirely fails to make sense.. no obvious place to add headers.. >_>
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[11:48:33] <logixoul> well.. anyway, thanks for your help. VS has been updating its help for 30m now and i've no idea when it'll let me work ;)
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