[00:00:28] <barra> hehe the infamous platform SDK
[00:00:34] <rsp> Yeah
[00:00:35] <barra> that was a major annoyance indeed
[00:00:38] <rsp> :)
[00:00:46] <barra> though microsoft is not _that_ dumb
[00:00:55] <barra> they ship the PSDK with MSVC2008 EE now
[00:01:10] <barra> the IDE is not bad but I still prefer the slim Code::Blocks
[00:02:07] <rsp> No one affords EE :P
[00:02:32] <rsp> I usually try the free versions just to get updated on the suck radar
[00:03:46] <barra> EE = express edition rsp
[00:03:56] <barra> I hope you can actually afford a free download
[00:04:10] <rsp> I was pretty sure you meant Enterprise Edition
[00:04:14] <barra> nah
[00:04:25] <barra> so it's good that they ship it with the free version now
[00:04:33] <rsp> problem with free and buy versions!
[00:04:44] <rsp> Just make a good free one :(
[00:05:06] <barra> I could try to use the mingw DLL for msvc, let me try that out
[00:05:30] <rsp> The DLL is for your exe not your IDE
[00:05:33] <rsp> :P
[00:06:16] <barra> nah, I mean in combination with the other MSVC dlls for FIFE
[00:09:00] <rsp> Are there any other often useful filters except low pass that's available in Soft? KittyCat
[00:13:26] <barra> should I link against winmm even if I want dsound backend support KittyCat ?
[00:36:43] <barra> did you link against a specific dx library rsp ?
[00:37:11] <rsp> didn't do anything special
[00:37:28] <barra> oki, let me try with the minimalist dx80 SDK here
[00:46:22] <barra> hmm no luck, my DLL is still 110kb
[00:46:32] <barra> did you build in release or debug mode rsp ?
[00:47:24] <rsp> Shouldn
[00:47:35] <rsp> 't be any reason to work?
[00:50:22] * rsp yawn
[00:50:28] <rsp> Going to sleep
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[12:39:23] <rsp> Who wants an OpenAL Soft DLL with filter support?
[12:41:17] <barra_busy> here, here, here!
[12:41:22] <rsp> ;)
[12:41:40] <rsp> I'll build one
[12:41:40] <barra_busy> do you use code::blocks or cygwin / msys for building?
[12:41:45] <rsp> msys
[12:42:28] <barra_busy> I copied the minimalist dx80 SDK to the openal_soft directory but I had no luck in producing a working DLL
[12:43:46] <rsp> To the MinGW directory not the OpenAL Soft directory
[12:45:38] <rsp> http://www.sendspace.com/file/uo1igc
[12:46:59] <rsp> KittyCat: How does one include contents of another Makefile into the current one?
[12:51:28] <barra_busy> thanks rsp, I'll try again to build it myself tonight
[12:51:49] <rsp> Ok
[12:52:07] <rsp> lol my engine takes more ram on Windows
[12:52:15] <rsp> win: 7mb
[12:52:20] <rsp> 32bit linux: 2.6mb
[12:52:33] <rsp> 64bit linux: 2mb
[12:53:06] <barra_busy> on what kind of engine are you working on rsp ?
[12:53:17] <rsp> cross platform game engine
[12:53:39] <rsp> I'm waiting for OpenGL 3.0 so I'm writing the sound part now :)
[12:56:35] <rsp> Right now there's just a console rendered with SDL so I can see what I am typing :P testing out some commands
[12:57:38] <barra_busy> ahh cool :-) we're working on an engine as well
[12:57:46] <rsp> Nice :)
[12:57:51] <barra_busy> though 2.5d / isometric
[12:58:08] <barra_busy> http://wiki.fifengine.de
[12:58:20] <barra_busy> any website for your engine rsp ?
[12:58:26] <rsp> Nope
[12:58:33] <rsp> Nice
[13:00:02] <rsp> http://wiki.fifengine.de/images/b/b4/2007.2.007.jpg nice
[13:01:49] <barra_busy> :-)
[13:28:15] <rsp> There
[13:28:23] <rsp> My Makefile for Windows is now 4 rows
[13:28:54] <barra_busy> if you could paste it somewhere, that would be great
[13:29:02] <barra_busy> http://rafb.net/paste/
[13:29:07] <rsp> The reason is I am including Makefile
[13:29:14] <barra_busy> just trying to find out if I do something obvious wrong
[13:29:19] <rsp> And just changing the variables that are platform specific xD
[13:30:15] <rsp> This isn't for OpenAL Soft
[13:30:23] <rsp> You want my engine Makefile and Makefile.w32?
[13:31:57] <barra_busy> your openal_soft makefile
[13:32:13] <rsp> I don't have that
[13:32:19] <rsp> You just have to generate it correctly
[13:32:22] <rsp> What does cmake say
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[13:33:36] <barra_busy> you're generating mingw makefiles?
[13:33:41] <rsp> Yes
[13:33:49] <barra_busy> I'm generating msvc2005 makefiles and import them into code::blocks
[13:34:05] <barra_busy> so the import process might be flawed
[13:34:06] <rsp> Why do you use msvc
[13:34:14] <rsp> At all
[13:34:29] <rsp> Just compile it with mingw/msys if you want
[13:34:30] <barra_busy> because cmake offers no code::blocks project file output support yet
[13:34:37] <rsp> But I already sent a working DLL
[13:34:44] <barra_busy> I enjoy using IDE's for building
[13:34:52] <rsp> Yeah but you got a working DLL :P
[13:35:06] <barra_busy> sure, though I would like to get it working myself
[13:35:24] <barra_busy> I have to maintain the win32 SDK for FIFE so relying on a 3rd person is no good idea
[13:37:40] <rsp> Ok
[13:37:50] <rsp> Well I recommend using mingw/msys
[13:37:53] <rsp> It just works
[13:38:19] <barra_busy> sure, though I plan to build DLLs for the SDK with msvc2005 & msvc2008 as well
[13:38:37] <barra_busy> I can't look into it this week anyway, I'll try again next weekend
[13:38:40] <rsp> It's the same DLL
[13:38:56] <barra_busy> sometimes there seem to be DLL clashes
[13:39:00] <rsp> It contains the same functions
[13:39:26] <rsp> You don't have different lib.so for different Linux IDE:s do you
[13:39:28] <barra_busy> sure, I'm just saying that we had quite some issues mixing mingw & msvc DLLs last time
[13:39:53] <rsp> Then why do you plan on building DLL:s with everything?
[13:40:10] <barra_busy> because we support these 3 compilers out of the box
[13:40:34] <rsp> 3 DLL files that does the same job won't look too good
[13:41:27] <barra_busy> I don't have the time to argue now, I should finish my thesis
[13:41:53] <barra_busy> check out our compile SDK if you like, the structure is quite clean and the user will just see one DLL set depending on which compiler (s)he uses
[13:42:16] <barra_busy> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/fife/FIFE_2008.0-r2_win32_SDK.7z
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[17:13:51] <rsp> KittyCat: Can I add echo
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[19:01:53] <KittyCat> rsp, not really. only what reverb provides
[19:05:31] <rsp> Ok
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[19:44:51] <rsp> Are there more filters than low pass KittyCat
[19:48:39] <KittyCat> none implemented
[19:49:07] <KittyCat> efx defines highpass and bandpass, but they aren't gauranteed to be there
[19:49:39] <rsp> But low pass and reverb would be enough for game right
[19:49:55] <rsp> What does highpass rendered output sound like?
[19:54:25] <KittyCat> the opposite of lowpass. it makes low frequency noises quieter
[19:55:10] <rsp> How would I use that in a game?
[19:55:43] <KittyCat> don't know
[19:55:44] <rsp> Like an enemy using a megaphone? lol
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[19:58:13] <rsp> bandpass makes low and high frequency noises meet somewhere in the middle?
[19:59:20] <KittyCat> more or less. it quiets the high and low frequencies, so only stuff in the mid-range remain
[19:59:29] <rsp> Yeah ok
[19:59:57] <rsp> When speaking about sound what is 1Hz
[20:01:24] <KittyCat> generally the sampling rate
[20:02:08] <KittyCat> or frequency of a tone, or some-such
[20:05:09] <rsp> Yeah but then again, what is samplerate
[20:05:27] <rsp> how many <what> per <what> is my question
[20:07:23] <KittyCat> samples per second
[20:07:32] <rsp> and a sample is?
[20:07:40] <rsp> it can't be much
[20:07:58] <KittyCat> I keep getting told what it is, but I can never remember what it's called..
[20:07:59] <rsp> it's just a tone right
[20:08:09] <KittyCat> not quite
[20:08:12] <rsp> ok
[20:08:24] <KittyCat> a series of samples makes a tone
[20:08:26] <rsp> it's pretty awesome to be able to play music digitally when you think about it
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[20:10:29] <predaeus> see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_rate
[20:12:45] <rsp> 2,822,400Hz
[20:12:48] <rsp> Now we're talking
[20:18:51] <rsp> xcruiser.sf.net lol
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[23:35:52] <rsp> KittyCat: Do you never go to sleep hehe
[23:36:32] <KittyCat> I do. I probably will be soon :)
[23:38:15] <rsp> I remember seeing you leave sometimes when it's day here and sometimes when it's night here
[23:38:22] <rsp> That's the spirit!
[23:41:03] <rsp> In a few months I will be able to do that too, usually it end with something like "What day is it today? monday? friday?"
[23:41:50] <KittyCat> heh
[23:50:40] <rsp> Is it true that the OpenGL command set works like OpenAL? glDoom1i(GL_PWN,true);
[23:52:00] <KittyCat> more or less
[23:52:49] <rsp> Ok, do you think that the OpenAL spec will adapt to the OpenGL 3 style, whatever that will be
[23:53:45] <KittyCat> depends what GL3 will be like, and if there'll be a need to shift toward it
[23:54:44] <rsp> Ok





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