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[12:50:08] <D0pamine> hi all
[12:50:28] <D0pamine> having one or two issues here with openal 0.0.8
[12:50:58] <KittyCat> hi
[12:51:02] <KittyCat> what's the problem?
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[12:51:55] <D0pamine> well everything was fine , i updated my system over the weekend and now ut2k4 has a really weird sound
[12:52:07] <D0pamine> sort of like as if the speakers are in an oil drum
[12:52:13] <D0pamine> and etqw crashes
[12:52:19] <D0pamine> but quake 4 is fine...
[12:52:50] <D0pamine> i tried the openal-soft with ut2k4 and that fixed it however massive performance hit when i use that
[12:53:00] <KittyCat> etqw doesn't use openal
[12:53:06] <D0pamine> ahh right
[12:53:10] <KittyCat> don't think quake 4 does either
[12:53:12] <D0pamine> quake 4 does tho
[12:53:18] <KittyCat> (in linux; the windows versions do)
[12:53:27] <D0pamine> yeh does , says so in the config...
[12:53:40] <D0pamine> audo backend openal
[12:53:43] <D0pamine> hum
[12:53:49] <KittyCat> I'll have to look into that, then..
[12:54:05] <D0pamine> just a lil concerned as there has been no releases for linux in almost 2 years..
[12:54:22] <KittyCat> openal-soft will become the next release
[12:54:30] <D0pamine> is his holyness icculus still working on this
[12:54:43] <D0pamine> pretty poor atm is openal-soft
[12:54:44] <D0pamine> :(
[12:55:00] <KittyCat> most people report better performance and stability with openal soft
[12:55:01] <D0pamine> although the surround sound is very defined which is nice
[12:55:05] <KittyCat> you sure it was being used?
[12:55:28] <D0pamine> yeh just copied it over to /opt/ut2004/System/openal.so
[12:55:51] <D0pamine> is there an svn checkout for openal-soft ?
[12:56:02] <D0pamine> might be worth a shot
[12:56:08] <KittyCat> it uses git
[12:56:14] <D0pamine> ahh right git then :D
[12:56:48] <KittyCat> http://repo.or.cz/w/openal-soft.git
[12:57:07] <D0pamine> cool thanks
[12:57:15] <D0pamine> i'll keep you posted on how i get on
[13:14:31] <D0pamine> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
[13:14:37] <D0pamine> aint never used git before :S
[13:16:04] <KittyCat> git clone git://repo.or.cz/openal-soft.git openal-soft
[13:17:14] <D0pamine> oh right :S
[13:17:17] <D0pamine> hehe thanks
[13:17:38] <D0pamine> this is limited to 20 channels right ?
[13:18:23] <KittyCat> what 'channel' do you mean? speakers, voices, ..?
[13:18:56] <D0pamine> like say in ut2k4 where you have sound channels ?
[13:19:51] <D0pamine> ahh dont worry , i'll figure it out ;)
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[13:51:17] <D0pamine> AL lib: alsa.c:564: set buffer size min failed: Invalid argument
[13:51:22] <D0pamine> is that bad ?
[13:51:41] <D0pamine> great sound quality but i take a massive performance hit :S
[13:52:13] <KittyCat> it's not a problem for ut2k4. it just won't support voice capture in alsa
[13:52:28] <D0pamine> ahh right
[13:52:31] <D0pamine> hum
[13:52:42] <D0pamine> try oss perhaps ?
[13:52:55] <KittyCat> do you have an ~/.openalrc or ~/.alsoftrc file?
[13:53:03] <D0pamine> i have both
[13:53:27] <D0pamine> http://rafb.net/p/GpB13037.html
[13:53:58] <D0pamine> ahh 16 channels ?
[13:54:25] <KittyCat> that's probably the number of voices, then
[13:55:02] <KittyCat> you can try lowering it, if the game's trying to play a lot of sounds
[13:55:39] <KittyCat> does setting the alsa device to hw:0,0 work any better?
[13:56:37] <D0pamine> i'll try that now
[13:57:42] <D0pamine> no sound at all
[13:57:53] <D0pamine> performance is back to what it was tho xD
[13:58:05] <D0pamine> btw i'm using amd64
[13:58:08] <KittyCat> any console output?
[13:58:24] <D0pamine> AL lib: alsa.c:390: set channels failed: Invalid argument
[13:58:27] <D0pamine> just like before
[13:59:10] <KittyCat> odd
[14:00:04] <KittyCat> I can't understand why opening a hardware voice directly for surround sound rarely works, but doing it through surround51 does (even though it uses the same device for a slave)
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[14:01:07] <KittyCat> you can try turning down the number of channels to 8
[14:01:33] <D0pamine> right o
[14:03:01] <D0pamine> hum nope still no sound with hw:0,0
[14:03:11] <D0pamine> i'm using an audigy 2 btw
[14:03:22] <D0pamine> dont usually have audio issues...
[14:04:14] <KittyCat> set the device back to surround51
[14:05:34] <D0pamine> k done
[14:05:49] <D0pamine> my machine is at your disposal , if you want to ssh or anything let me know
[14:06:30] <KittyCat> does turning the number of channels down to 8 in the game help performance?
[14:06:59] <D0pamine> not really
[14:07:15] <D0pamine> sound is fantastic tho
[14:08:07] <D0pamine> ahh , maybe i cannot use hw:0,0 because of .asoundrc ?
[14:08:49] <KittyCat> don't know how that would cause a problem
[14:09:15] <D0pamine> AL_FORMAT_51CHN16 << perhaps changing that too ?
[14:09:52] <KittyCat> whatever you change that to will be what it outputs as
[14:10:05] <D0pamine> hum ok
[14:10:40] <KittyCat> and all the hefty resource-intense code is pretty agnostic to the output configuration
[14:10:50] <KittyCat> hmm..
[14:10:57] <KittyCat> you can try disabling mmap
[14:11:07] <KittyCat> I remember having problems with that with my old live card
[14:11:25] <KittyCat> add 'mmap = false' to ~/.alsoftrc
[14:11:46] <D0pamine> just underneath , right
[14:12:01] <KittyCat> yeah, in the [alsa] section
[14:12:19] <D0pamine> sound is really good tho , impressed :D
[14:12:35] <KittyCat> :)
[14:13:56] <D0pamine> not really any different
[14:14:13] <D0pamine> odd tho , in closed quaters performance is fine , just open spaces
[14:14:34] <D0pamine> where i would get 200+ fps i'm getting 30 ish
[14:15:09] <KittyCat> okay, let's try something drastic
[14:15:14] <D0pamine> i'm game
[14:15:41] <KittyCat> see what it does when you add 'sources = 6' to the [general] section of .alsoftrc
[14:17:11] <D0pamine> slightly worse
[14:17:20] <KittyCat> interesting
[14:17:27] <KittyCat> okay, remove that
[14:17:33] <D0pamine> bout 10-15 fps
[14:17:46] <D0pamine> mmap also ?
[14:17:53] <KittyCat> yeah
[14:18:24] <KittyCat> add 'drivers = oss,alsa' to the [general] section
[14:18:47] <D0pamine> should i re-compile with oss support ?
[14:19:09] <KittyCat> did it build with oss support? normally it would
[14:19:26] <D0pamine> well i just used an ebuild , dont normally use oss
[14:19:32] <D0pamine> should only take a second
[14:19:34] <D0pamine> :)
[14:19:48] <KittyCat> git version from an ebuild?
[14:20:01] <D0pamine> yeh , same version as in git
[14:21:18] <D0pamine> oooh much better :D
[14:21:32] <D0pamine> thats using oss now right ?
[14:21:39] <KittyCat> should be, yeah
[14:22:11] <KittyCat> what if you use frequency = 48000 instead of drivers = oss,alsa?
[14:23:19] <D0pamine> worse than ever ...
[14:23:37] <D0pamine> could be an excuse to use oss4 :P
[14:24:49] <KittyCat> well, I'm stumped
[14:24:53] <D0pamine> yeh using oss,alsa i get around 100 fps more
[14:25:15] <D0pamine> on my lil own benchmark
[14:25:49] <D0pamine> like i said , if you want to inspect my system you're more than welcome
[14:25:56] <KittyCat> I remember having speed issues with mmap in alsa with my old sb live, but that could be fixed by turning off mmap or using specific output sample rates
[14:26:13] <KittyCat> which was either 44.1khz (openal soft's default) or 48khz
[14:26:28] <D0pamine> hum...
[14:26:50] <KittyCat> oh
[14:27:08] <KittyCat> no, I think it was by not using surround sound, not specific output rates
[14:27:21] <D0pamine> i'm using in-kernel alsa built static
[14:27:30] <D0pamine> media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.16
[14:27:58] <KittyCat> eg. format=AL_FORMAT_STEREO16 and device=hw:0,0
[14:28:05] <KittyCat> I think it's a card/driver issue
[14:28:18] <D0pamine> k then i'll give that a go
[14:28:54] <D0pamine> can i comment lines # ?
[14:29:00] <KittyCat> yeah
[14:29:04] <D0pamine> cool
[14:29:42] <KittyCat> mid-line, too: format = AL_FORMAT_STEREO16  # AL_FORMAT_51CHN16
[14:30:22] <D0pamine> ahh nice
[14:30:27] <D0pamine> yeh thats great
[14:30:36] <D0pamine> so this is an alsa issue
[14:30:49] <KittyCat> seems like it
[14:30:57] <KittyCat> turning off mmap should work, though
[14:31:05] <D0pamine> same performance as using drivers = oss,alsa
[14:31:29] <D0pamine> made no difference here
[14:31:51] <D0pamine> it does sound fantastic too
[14:32:20] <KittyCat> hm. well, as long as you have the hardware voices, using OSS should work just fine
[14:32:58] <D0pamine> yeh i spose , we'll get there , i'm going to setup another gentoo with oss
[14:33:02] <D0pamine> oss4*
[14:33:06] <D0pamine> just to play around
[14:33:34] <D0pamine> thanks for your help anyway , much appreciated
[14:33:46] <KittyCat> no problem
[14:34:11] <D0pamine> i'll hang around if thats alright , need anything testing let me know :)
[14:34:29] <KittyCat> sure :)
[14:35:22] <KittyCat> I wish gentoo had the oss4-compatible headers. it seemed to have some probing capabilities (getting the device name)
[14:35:59] <D0pamine> i know a couple of devs who are working hard on an ebuild
[14:36:04] <D0pamine> well i say devs
[14:36:11] <D0pamine> spaceinvader and Monkeh
[14:36:12] <D0pamine> hehee
[14:41:13] <D0pamine> KittyCat , Naib says the ebuilds for oss4 on the bugs page work a-ok
[14:41:19] <D0pamine> i'll try it later
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[20:56:21] <D0pamine> anyone have a good example for .alsoftrc ?
[20:57:20] <D0pamine> no worries i got it , trying to setup with oss4 :)
[21:01:55] <D0pamine> ooooh sweeet as a nut , thanks KittyCat ( when you wake up )
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[22:45:46] <rsp-laptop> Hi
[22:46:07] <barra> hi rsp-laptop
[22:46:17] <rsp-laptop> I just bought a laptop
[22:46:21] * rsp-laptop big grin
[22:46:54] <rsp-laptop> Realtek ALC 268
[22:47:21] <rsp-laptop> I'm having some issues, but this is the first time I run my software on 64bit so I'll check back later
[22:47:35] <rsp-laptop> Might be able to fix it
[22:50:24] <barra> openal or openal-soft rsp-laptop ?
[22:50:42] <rsp-laptop> OpenAL Soft! :D
[22:50:59] <barra> ahh I see
[22:51:06] <barra> win32 or linux?
[22:52:23] <rsp-laptop> Linux
[22:52:40] <rsp-laptop> Sound quality is not as good as in say, Totem
[22:52:43] <rsp-laptop> Or VLC
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[22:58:10] <rsp-laptop> grr
[22:58:18] <rsp-laptop> I have to learn this laptop keyboard thingy
[22:59:16] <barra> :-)
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[23:10:22] <rsp-laptop> works
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