April 29, 2018 
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April 29, 2018 [00:04:02] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:13:44] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #omnios[00:21:17] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:21:39] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has joined #omnios[00:24:55] *** nikolam <nikolam!~nikolam@unaffiliated/nikolam> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:32:07] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:34:52] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #omnios[00:50:31] *** physicist__ <physicist__!~physicist@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[00:51:45] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@chello089173037107.chello.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:07:26] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@94.12.193.115> has quit IRC (Quit: andy_js)[02:04:46] *** jimklimov <jimklimov!~jimklimov@ip-86-49-244-94.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #omnios[02:34:54] *** v_a_b1 <v_a_b1!~volker@p57A27884.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #omnios[02:35:57] *** v_a_b <v_a_b!~volker@p50905478.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:01:21] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:02:36] <Cthulhux> hmm[03:02:39] <Cthulhux> anyone here? :x[03:46:46] <Cthulhux> i see. i might want to ask later. :)[04:14:22] <_Tenchi_> Cthalupa: i see more traffic on https://gitter.im/omniosorg/ compared to here... might want to join over there if you have questions ;)[04:14:33] <_Tenchi_> that was for Cthulhux haha[04:14:45] <Cthulhux> nah[04:15:00] <Cthulhux> 4636 different chat clients make no sense[04:16:29] <_Tenchi_> i know[04:17:47] <Cthulhux> so i'll stay here until further notice. :-) what i actually intended to ask: i have just restarted my omnios and everything i installed is gone again. i noticed that both omnios-2 and omnios-2-backup-1 are mounted to "/" according to zfs list. any idea why?[04:18:04] <Cthulhux> if not, i'll come back tomorrow[04:18:05] <Cthulhux> ;o)[04:29:29] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #omnios[04:36:28] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:40:35] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #omnios[04:52:02] <Cthulhux> i see :D good night. (5 am here .. time!)[05:44:47] *** jimklimov <jimklimov!~jimklimov@ip-86-49-244-94.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:45:33] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@chello089173037107.chello.sk> has joined #omnios[07:23:53] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@chello089173037107.chello.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:36:03] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[08:22:42] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[08:35:40] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[09:21:14] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[09:23:23] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[09:57:47] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[10:09:33] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[10:26:35] *** dmip <dmip!~Thunderbi@cpe-589284.ip.primehome.com> has joined #omnios[12:27:01] *** physicist__ <physicist__!~physicist@5356A22B.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #omnios[12:37:37] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[12:37:57] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[12:42:57] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-mlibng11-54fb8b-128.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[14:23:32] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f888-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[14:57:51] <Cthulhux> nowwww... next try :D[15:01:38] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f888-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC ()[15:27:22] *** v_a_b1 is now known as v_a_b[16:26:55] <andyf> Cthulhux - if you're losing changes after reboot then it sounds like you are not updating the active boot environment.[16:27:09] <Cthulhux> there only is one.[16:27:24] <andyf> Only one shown by `beadm list` ?[16:27:56] <Cthulhux> more or less... the config is still the same from last time[16:27:57] <Cthulhux> BE Active Mountpoint Space Policy Created[16:27:57] <Cthulhux> omnios-2 NR / 1.26G static 2018-04-05 19:42[16:27:57] <Cthulhux> omnios-2-backup-1 - - 215K static 2018-04-16 20:41[16:28:11] <andyf> For your zfs list question, that's fine .. it's just showing the configured mount point[16:28:21] <Cthulhux> ah, ok[16:29:04] <andyf> I can't understand how you would lose things you've installed[16:29:09] <Cthulhux> nor do i[16:29:25] <Cthulhux> my /home/<user> is gone again[16:29:30] <Cthulhux> i have no idea why[16:30:03] <andyf> Well /home/<user> can be set up as an automount[16:30:13] <andyf> is the `autofs` service enabled and running?[16:30:51] <Cthulhux> it's online, according to svcs[16:31:09] <andyf> How did you set up the user, and the directory under /home?[16:31:33] <andyf> and.. is there anything under /export/home?[16:31:50] <Cthulhux> there is no /export/home..[16:31:59] <Cthulhux> i had to "mkdir" /home/<user> once[16:32:08] <Cthulhux> it was already gone before ./([16:32:14] <Cthulhux> ehm. :/[16:32:17] <Cthulhux> (fat fingers)[16:32:37] <andyf> What's in /etc/auto_home (if anything)?[16:33:07] <Cthulhux> +auto_home[16:33:07] <Cthulhux> tux localhost:/export/home/&[16:33:20] <andyf> and is tux the username?[16:33:22] <Cthulhux> yup[16:33:53] <Cthulhux> ah, so that means it tries to load /home/tux from /export and it's not there?[16:33:54] <andyf> ok so that is set up for automounting meaning that the real directory should be /export/home/tux and the automount service will mount that automatically to /home/tux[16:34:14] <andyf> if you don't want to use automounting, just disable the autofs service[16:34:40] <Cthulhux> i see[16:34:54] <Cthulhux> confusing, IMO.[16:35:05] <Cthulhux> brb food..[16:35:22] <andyf> It's a holdover from the old days of large clusters of Solaris machines..[16:35:52] <andyf> your real home directory would be on a particular server (under /export/home/xxx) and any workstation that you logged on to, the automounter would present it under /home/xxx[16:36:18] <andyf> when you log onto the same workstation that holds the home directory, that's when you have localhost: in /etc/auto_home[16:37:51] <andyf> I'm not sure where the directory that you created under /home has gone though[16:38:17] <andyf> but with the automounter involved, /home could be something special.. I'll do some testing[16:38:40] <andyf> so - recommendation is `svcadm disable autofs` in your case.... particularly as /export seems to have gone away[16:38:49] *** andy_js <andy_js!~andy@94.12.193.115> has joined #omnios[16:43:20] <andyf> but `zpool history rpool | grep export` might be useful[16:48:24] <andyf> Just did a fresh installation and /home isn't a real filesystem - it's auto_home.[16:51:48] <andyf> but my user got a working home directory... could you have deleted /export by mistake?[16:53:06] <andyf> Got to go for a bit but if you don't want to use autofs, my recommendation is:[16:53:10] <andyf> svcadm disable autofs[16:53:12] <andyf> init 6[16:53:19] <andyf> zfs create -o mountpoint=/home rpool/home[16:53:28] <andyf> zfs create rpool/home/xxx[16:53:29] <Cthulhux> oh[16:53:38] <Cthulhux> svcadm disable autofs << and suddenly, /home/tux exists[16:53:43] <Cthulhux> o.O[16:53:47] <andyf> ok, well that's good[16:54:04] <Cthulhux> hidden behind layers of stuff i dont understand, probably[16:54:06] <Cthulhux> *sigh*[16:55:13] <andyf> autofs being on by default might be something we should look at for future releases..[16:55:31] <Cthulhux> probably. or make it more obvious for new users ;)[16:55:34] <Cthulhux> zpool history rpool | grep export << that only gets me a couple of commands related to a zone i had created, nothing with /home[16:55:42] <andyf> well, it depends on where you're coming from..[16:55:52] <Cthulhux> i'm coming from freebsd...[16:56:06] <Cthulhux> solarisians have an easier life, i guess[16:56:07] <Cthulhux> ;)[16:56:29] <andyf> Yeah.. I've been using Solaris since if first came out (1.x) and SunOS before that[16:56:45] <andyf> so autofs feels normal to me - and it's nice to have your home directory available on any server you log into[16:56:45] <Cthulhux> i thought the first solaris was already 2.x?[16:57:39] <andyf> well, 1.x was just a rebrand[16:58:10] <andyf> For your home directory..[16:58:23] <andyf> at the moment it is probably part of the boot environment[16:58:51] <andyf> and it would probably be better if it was independant[16:59:16] <andyf> otherwise doing an update that requires a reboot (and therefore creates a new boot environment)[16:59:27] <andyf> means that the new BE also contains a snapshotted copy of your home directory[16:59:37] <andyf> which is fine if you reboot straight away[16:59:54] <andyf> but if you ever revert to an earlier boot environment, your home directory will revert too[17:00:20] <Cthulhux> i see. would mv /home/... /export/home/... do the trick?[17:00:38] <andyf> you need to create a new ZFS filesystem for /home[17:00:42] <andyf> so something like[17:00:47] <andyf> mv /home /home.old[17:00:57] <andyf> zfs create -o mountpoint=/home rpool/home[17:01:31] <andyf> mv /home.old/tux /home/tux[17:01:34] <andyf> something like that[17:01:54] <Cthulhux> hmm ...[17:02:28] <Cthulhux> done.[17:02:41] <Cthulhux> will that persist over new BEs?[17:02:52] <andyf> yes - if you do a `zfs list`...[17:03:06] <andyf> anything under rpool/ROOT is the BE specific stuff[17:03:32] <andyf> your /home was under rpool/ROOT/omnios-2 before[17:03:50] <andyf> now it's a separate independent dataset under rpool/[17:03:54] <Cthulhux> ah! learning new things every day. ~ /export and /home are now in their own rpools according to zfs list..[17:04:32] <Cthulhux> everything else is back :)[17:04:34] <Cthulhux> nice[17:04:39] <Cthulhux> thank you![17:16:52] <andyf> No problem - sorry you had problems. I'll definitely add the whole autofs issue to the list of things we look at for the next release.[17:18:22] <Cthulhux> looks like i create a lot of work for you :))[17:18:35] <Cthulhux> not reading the manual completely is entirely my fault..[17:30:49] *** trisk <trisk!~trisk@2601:196:4600:a164:225:31ff:fe02:7a11> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[18:26:30] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@chello089173037107.chello.sk> has joined #omnios[18:58:38] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f888-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #omnios[18:58:38] *** alhazred <alhazred!~Alex@dsl-lprbng11-54f888-154.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:02:27] *** disposable2 <disposable2!~Thunderbi@chello089173037107.chello.sk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:45:57] *** dmip <dmip!~Thunderbi@cpe-589284.ip.primehome.com> has quit IRC (Quit: dmip)[20:55:14] *** sjorge <sjorge!~sjorge@unaffiliated/sjorge> has quit IRC (Quit: 410 Gone)[21:29:19] *** sjorge <sjorge!~sjorge@unaffiliated/sjorge> has joined #omnios[21:45:20] *** dxtr <dxtr!df82f6a1@fsfe/dxtr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:30:16] *** trisk <trisk!~trisk@2601:196:4600:a164:225:31ff:fe02:7a11> has joined #omnios[23:48:03] *** jacobs <jacobs!~jacobs@2603:300a:16fb:4000:f486:d3cc:3924:b604> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)