November 28, 2013 
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November 28, 2013 [00:06:16] *** Clory has quit IRC[00:06:54] *** Clory has joined #omnios[00:20:37] *** neophenix has quit IRC[00:20:47] *** philips has quit IRC[00:24:41] *** philips has joined #omnios[01:00:36] *** nico103 has joined #omnios[01:00:47] <nico103> hi[01:00:57] <nico103> any1 run OmniOS on a mintbox?[01:09:13] <nico103> any1 run OmniOS on a mintbox?[01:09:35] *** wuff has quit IRC[01:21:48] *** wuff has joined #omnios[01:56:30] *** szaydel has joined #omnios[02:08:48] <nahamu> mintbox?[02:19:11] *** ball has joined #omnios[02:42:28] <nico103> nahamu: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/products/intense-pc/[02:45:13] <ball> hello nico103![02:45:23] <nico103> hi ball[02:46:03] <nico103> fyi, my plan is to install a linux with zfs on linux and zfs root, then install OmniOS and FreeBSD on the same root pool[02:46:10] <nico103> I've no idea if it will work[02:46:22] <ball> Sounds unlikely.[02:46:43] <nico103> because....?[02:47:08] <nico103> anyways, the idea is to see how well FreeBSD and OmniOS (or OpenIndiana) work on this box[02:47:18] <nico103> if either works well enough then linux gets the boot[02:47:53] <ball> I don't even know whether ZFS root is an option on Linux[02:48:00] <ball> ...or FreeBSD for that matter.[02:48:14] <nico103> it isfor both[02:48:30] <nico103> and all have a pool version in common[02:48:44] <nico103> so it's just a matter of not screwing up the root pool version selection[02:49:06] <nico103> that might be tricky, but it should be possible[02:49:17] <nico103> anyways, maybe i won't get to dual booting[02:50:13] <nico103> maybe i'll just try installing these one after the other, see which works well enough (linux has drivers for all the devices, though some are closed-source)[02:50:26] <ball> For a fair comparison I'd probably either use separate disks for BSD, Linux or OmniOS, or erase the array (after backing up your files, naturally) and use each on its own.[02:50:37] <nico103> yeah, but I'm not benchmarking[02:50:49] <nico103> i don't care too much about perf here; I care about usability[02:51:00] <nico103> so it's just about device driver availability[02:52:04] <nico103> I need an OS that can drive the display (well enough, preferably, to be able to play bzflag), SATA, USB, and the GBE[02:52:49] <nico103> the wireless I know there's only closed-source linux/windows drivers for[02:52:54] <ball> USB 2.0 or 3.0?[02:52:57] <nico103> both[02:53:09] <nico103> though i don't need 3.0, i guess[02:53:19] <nico103> i.e., i have no 3.0 devices I care about[02:53:21] <ball> I don't know what operating systems support USB 3.0[02:53:32] <nico103> yeah, so forget 3.0[02:53:55] <nico103> that's not a lot to ask, but it's not clear if OmniOS/OI support the Intel HD 4000 graphics[02:54:26] <ball> This is a guess but that may be a question for #xorg, or better yet the X.org Websie[02:54:32] <ball> site*[02:54:50] <nico103> http://forums.unixhub.net/showthread.php?tid=592[02:54:53] <nico103> at the bottom[02:55:01] <nico103> "Intel HD 4000. Building Xorg with WITH_NEW_XORG and WITH_KMS does the trick, but it's nevertheless not the most performant / stable experience. I'm hoping for an improvement when 10 gets stable. "[02:55:22] <ball> Is that their own GPU or PowerVR?[02:55:26] <nico103> so it looks like "not out of the box" and "not very fast"[02:55:30] <nico103> yes[02:55:37] <ball> ?[02:55:43] <ball> Which?[02:56:03] <nico103> it's integrated graphics[02:56:15] <ball> nico103: Could still be either one.[02:56:25] <ball> They "bought in" graphics for some of their Atom chips.[02:56:38] <ball> ...not sure whether they've done anything similar on Haswell[02:57:06] <nico103> it's a gpu[02:57:23] <ball> *whose* GPU though?[02:57:58] <nico103> Intel[02:58:13] <nico103> I dunno much about GPUs, so I may not be getting your question[02:58:41] <ball> You may be in luck then. I hear that Intel have been pretty good about working with open source developers when it comes to X.org drivers[02:58:55] <ball> (except for the GPUs they bought in).[03:00:36] <ball> Come to think of it, I know so little about OmniOS that the usual rules may not apply anyway.[03:00:52] <ball> I don't know what OmniOS has to provide X.org in order for graphics to work.[03:00:58] <nico103> right, so you're right about xorg[03:01:05] <nico103> though i'm not finding the answer yet[03:01:23] <nico103> if it's at all supported it will take manual building, i'm sure[03:01:34] <ball> I don't see why.[03:02:05] <nico103> http://www.x.org/wiki/IntelGraphicsDriver/ is not encouraging[03:02:21] <ball> Oooh, I should have a look at that.[03:02:32] <ball> Give me a minute to finish my firefox build.[03:02:35] <ball> brb[03:09:55] <ball> I like the way that breaks things down.[03:09:59] <ball> Useful stuff.[03:10:55] <ball> Do you use graphical terminals at all?[03:11:16] <nico103> well[03:11:23] <nico103> I live in a large terminal[03:11:30] <nico103> with nested screen(1)s[03:11:37] <nico103> + a browser[03:11:43] <nico103> so, "yes"[03:12:02] <ball> I meant something more like a conventional X terminal or "thin client"[03:12:15] <nico103> X11[03:12:36] <nico103> the whole point here is to not have a fan making fan noise[03:12:42] <nico103> that's why i bought this thing[03:12:59] <ball> I want fans in my servers but not in the terminals.[03:13:00] <nico103> i have plenty of devices that do have fans that I could use as "thin clients"[03:13:09] <nico103> this is for home[03:13:13] <nico103> there's no server room[03:13:22] <nico103> there may be no fan[03:13:29] <nico103> it's a fanless system[03:13:32] <nico103> no moving parts[03:13:34] <nico103> no disk[03:13:37] <nico103> just ssd[03:13:49] <ball> Ah, that'll limit you a bit then.[03:13:54] <nico103> why?[03:14:03] <nico103> on the contrary, it can run hotter[03:14:11] <nico103> the whole case is designed as a big heat sink[03:14:16] <nico103> so it's not a big deal[03:14:53] <ball> For one thing your storage capacity will most likely be more limited if you are stuck with SSDs.[03:15:14] <nico103> it's got 440GB[03:15:19] <nico103> that's enough for me[03:15:38] <nico103> SSD capacities are ramping up[03:18:03] *** apeiron has quit IRC[03:18:04] <ball> ok.[03:18:33] <nico103> I suppose I can always install a pcie card with whatever display i want[03:19:05] <nico103> if there's any way to change the hdmi and display port connectors[03:19:16] <ball> Have you tried OmniOS on your hardware yet?[03:19:25] <nico103> not yet[03:19:32] <nico103> maybe on Friday i will[03:19:41] <nico103> depends on when i can find the time for it[03:19:47] <nico103> sometime this weekend maybe[03:19:51] <nico103> i'll report what i find[03:20:02] *** apeiron has joined #omnios[03:20:26] <nico103> if i can and have to i'll install a pcie display -- one way or another I want to run an OS i like[03:22:55] <ball> nico103: Doubt you'll fit a PCIe board in the machines we were discussing earlier this evening.[03:23:49] <nico103> well, there's a slot fo it[03:23:58] <nico103> there's not a lot of room[03:24:00] <ball> Really?[03:24:04] <nico103> yes[03:24:13] <ball> Hmm... ok.[03:24:16] <nico103> but the space for it is minute[03:24:22] <ball> I'd worry about cooling though.[03:24:54] * ball tries to remember the name for the DIMM-style miniature PCIe cards.[03:25:04] <ball> mini-PCIe?[03:25:10] <nico103> yes, mini[03:25:17] <nico103> and yes, heat would become a problem[03:25:24] <ball> mini-PCIe Isn't PCIe though.[03:26:02] <nico103> yeah, i was insufficiently careful there[03:26:47] <ball> Does anyone even make mini-PCIe graphics cards?[03:28:05] <nico103> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/354795-33-does-mini-express-graphics-card-exist[03:28:52] <nico103> looks like "no"[03:28:56] <nico103> just wireless[03:28:57] * ball nods[03:28:59] <nico103> ah, well[03:29:45] <ball> Anyway, I'd try the on-die GPU before resorting to an external graphics card, especially for a unix system.[03:30:03] <nico103> yeah[03:30:03] <ball> (unless you're using the GPU for something like OpenCL)[03:30:04] <nico103> ok[03:30:05] <nico103> thanks[03:30:07] <nico103> gtg[03:30:10] <ball> Bye[03:30:17] <nico103> nah, just X11 and the occasional game[03:30:23] * ball nods[03:30:26] <ball> xfreecell ftw.[03:30:32] <nico103> bzflag[03:30:44] <nico103> http://www.advantech.com/products/PCA-5650-00A1E/mod_507F89E3-E80A-4964-B6EA-64A2EE21F2B1.aspx[03:30:45] <nico103> !![03:30:57] <nico103> it wouldn't work though[03:31:07] <nico103> no room for the connectors[03:31:09] <nico103> ok, bye[03:31:26] <nico103> and thanks[03:31:58] <ball> nico103: I'll look forward to talking to you again soon, to learn more about your project.[03:38:17] *** yzenezy has joined #omnios[03:39:23] <yzenezy> my pkg command fails with Framework error: code: 6 reason: Couldn't resolve host 'pkg.omniti.com'[03:39:39] <yzenezy> yet: host pkg.omniti.com[03:39:40] <yzenezy> pkg.omniti.com has address 66.225.209.50[03:39:57] <yzenezy> what have I broken?[03:40:53] <ashley_w> nico103: you're aware that omnios does not come with x windows, right?[03:41:18] <yzenezy> I'm not using x windows[03:41:54] <yzenezy> I can't see the connection[03:42:12] <yzenezy> I have /etc/resolv.conf configured[03:42:45] <yzenezy> oops, sorry. cross communication[03:44:49] <yzenezy> I'm working around this by adding entries to /etc/hosts[03:45:20] <yzenezy> seems wrong to statically define the publisher hosts in /etc/hosts[03:46:13] <ball> ashley_w: Out of interest, does it come with anything that X.org would use if it were run on a computer with a framebuffer[03:46:18] <ball> ...or erm, GPU ;-)[03:48:38] <ball> I tend to think of OmniOS as a server OS but perhaps I'm old-fashioned in thinking headless.[03:49:49] <ashley_w> see the first sentence of http://omnios.omniti.com/wiki.php/Installation[03:51:47] <ball> ashley_w: Sounds entirely reasonable to me.[04:01:20] *** ghost75_ has joined #omnios[04:04:39] *** ghost75 has quit IRC[04:06:55] *** nefilim has joined #omnios[04:10:04] *** ghost75_ has quit IRC[04:11:39] <ball> Does anyone use OmniOS with thin clients?[04:13:32] *** ghost75 has joined #omnios[04:16:28] <joltman> nope[04:16:32] <joltman> sounds painful[04:17:06] <ball> Might be.[04:17:35] <joltman> what's the end goal?[04:18:38] <ball> Possibly running some virtual desktops that users can connect to from graphical terminals ("thin clients").[04:18:47] <ball> ..for light use in a small office.[04:19:08] <ball> (LibreOffice, Firefox etc.)[04:19:51] <joltman> why not use linux of VMware View[04:21:43] <ball> joltman: Linux is one option I've considered.[04:21:52] <ball> I'll probably try that too.[04:22:18] <joltman> i just don't think that Omni will do what you want[04:22:31] <joltman> if you're focusing on Windows, maybe look at FreeRDP[04:22:47] <joltman> i use it to connect to my work desktop every day[04:27:06] <ball> Windows could do the job, though the licensing fees are a bit steep and it seems vulnerable to things like the latest "bitlocker" trojan.[04:27:20] <ball> RDP seems to work reasonably well though.[04:27:49] <ball> (Windows Server)[04:28:19] <ball> ...and it lacks X11, which I find useful.[04:42:29] <joltman> if you're a windows shop, create an Software Restriction Policy Black List[04:42:32] <joltman> easiest thing to do[04:44:04] <ball> We're not a Windows shop.[04:44:14] <joltman> well then. sounds painful.[04:44:20] <ball> ok[04:44:52] <joltman> don't get me wrong. i love the fact that open source is so customizable.[04:45:05] <joltman> but VMware View make Windows _easy_[04:45:07] <joltman> super eas[04:47:57] <ball> That may be useful to know for some of the other work I do but not for this project.[05:24:44] *** Aethrs_ is now known as Aethrs[06:12:21] *** joltman has quit IRC[06:23:51] <yzenezy> bahh, nsswitch.conf was clobbered by ldapclient![06:25:52] *** robinsmidsrod has quit IRC[06:27:35] *** jpeach has quit IRC[06:30:50] *** robinsmidsrod has joined #omnios[06:35:55] *** patdk-lap has joined #omnios[07:05:18] *** nefilim has quit IRC[07:14:04] *** szaydel has quit IRC[07:15:02] *** nikolam has joined #omnios[07:33:44] *** pygi has joined #omnios[07:47:45] *** pygi has quit IRC[07:56:32] *** ball has quit IRC[07:59:22] *** pygi has joined #omnios[09:22:31] *** Clory has quit IRC[09:24:08] *** Clory has joined #omnios[09:25:27] <yzenezy> trying to configure ldap using ldapclient but it keeps clobbering my name resolution[09:26:09] <yzenezy> the host command times out but a wireshark trace on the dns server shows the lookup and response[09:26:41] <yzenezy> can anyone hit me with the clue stick as I'm stuck[09:27:35] <yzenezy> at the moment I'd just like to get the name resolution back to normal and come back to ldap later[09:28:52] <yzenezy> grep -e ^hosts -e ^ipnodes nsswitch.conf[09:28:58] <yzenezy> hosts: files dns[09:29:03] <yzenezy> ipnodes: files dns[09:30:11] <yzenezy> host somehostname responds with ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached"[09:30:53] <yzenezy> but I see "DNS Standard query A somehost.somedomain"[09:31:02] <yzenezy> and "DNS Standard query response"[09:31:11] <yzenezy> in the wireshark trace on the DNS server[09:31:39] <yzenezy> ping, pop, push, bish, bosh, wollup[09:31:44] <yzenezy> :-/[09:32:02] * yzenezy hears a pin drop[09:32:26] <gcbirzan> host doesn't use nsswitch[09:32:37] <gcbirzan> so it might be a networking thing?[09:32:43] <gcbirzan> firewall and whatnot[09:37:04] <yzenezy> gcbirzan: oh, but host did resolve correctly before. ???[09:37:33] <yzenezy> do you mean firewall on my omnios server?[09:38:03] <yzenezy> I didn't knowingly set one up on there ...[09:38:29] <yzenezy> stange thing is, it was working until I started messing around with ldapclient[09:38:49] <yzenezy> does nslookup use nsswitch ?[09:46:49] <gcbirzan> none of the dns resolving tools should be using nsswitch[09:46:56] <gcbirzan> since the point is for them to do DNS queries :P[09:46:57] <yzenezy> gcbirzan: I found the issue[09:47:15] <yzenezy> that makes sense[09:47:21] <gcbirzan> what was it?[09:47:37] <yzenezy> there was an acl in the DNS config[09:48:14] <yzenezy> I had change the name server order as I'm migrating the original nameserver to new hardware[09:48:42] <yzenezy> anyway, the change of focus you offered helped so thanks[09:48:42] <gcbirzan> :)[09:48:54] <gcbirzan> pfft. I was right![09:49:09] <yzenezy> :-)[09:49:19] <gcbirzan> I'll go treat myself to some coffee :)[10:02:17] <yzenezy> wohoo! ldapclient is now working with TLS![10:58:10] *** Laravelian___ has joined #omnios[10:58:29] *** Laravelian_ has quit IRC[11:57:42] *** bens1 has joined #omnios[12:32:34] *** pygi has quit IRC[13:12:12] *** sebasp_ is now known as sebasp[13:15:12] *** sebasp is now known as sebasp_[13:30:37] *** szaydel has joined #omnios[14:21:10] *** ghost75 has quit IRC[14:21:15] *** ghost75_ has joined #omnios[14:51:33] *** ghost75 has joined #omnios[14:52:54] *** ghost75_ has quit IRC[14:55:16] *** ghost75_ has joined #omnios[14:55:38] *** ghost75 has quit IRC[14:58:34] <mihai_omniosuser> hi all[14:58:56] <mihai_omniosuser> I'm trying something *again* with NFS4 ACL's[14:59:05] <mihai_omniosuser> and I wonder how this should work[14:59:26] <mihai_omniosuser> I have an user member of a group (which is not the primary group)[14:59:44] <mihai_omniosuser> the user browse in to the server via NFS4[15:00:10] <mihai_omniosuser> in the server I have set the ACL's of the folder to allow owner and group full_set[15:00:25] <mihai_omniosuser> but for everybody full_set is denied[15:00:51] <mihai_omniosuser> the folder is owned by root:groupcommonwiththeuser[15:01:05] <mihai_omniosuser> still the user cannot mount the folder or read subfolders[15:01:24] <mihai_omniosuser> anyone has experience with that?[15:01:27] <mihai_omniosuser> thank youy![15:03:42] *** ghost75 has joined #omnios[15:05:39] *** ghost75_ has quit IRC[15:06:14] <mihai_omniosuser> also I cannot remember there was a log that I can watch to see nfs4 access requests?[15:06:20] <mihai_omniosuser> in the omnios server?[15:06:23] <mihai_omniosuser> thank you![15:23:55] *** khushildep has joined #omnios[15:55:01] *** wuff has quit IRC[16:11:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:18:58] <mihai_omniosuser> nobody wants to talk about ACL'S[16:27:33] *** nikolam has joined #omnios[16:33:37] *** wuff has joined #omnios[16:37:28] *** nefilim has joined #omnios[16:45:55] *** piwi has joined #omnios[16:47:27] <piwi> hi. i'd like to render some pdfs via graphviz (installed from smartos pkgs). works so far but i cant see text. i guess its because of missing fonts. where to place font files and do i have to configure anything to make those fonts usable?[16:55:50] <ashley_w> piwi: i'd suggest asking the maintainer of that package[16:56:45] <piwi> thank you ashley_w , i thought there might have been an standard approach. i'll ask them :)[17:35:36] *** ghost75 has quit IRC[17:36:39] *** ghost75 has joined #omnios[17:49:27] *** piwi has quit IRC[18:53:51] *** zmalone has joined #omnios[18:54:54] *** zmalone has quit IRC[19:05:48] *** jpeach has joined #omnios[19:06:06] *** khushildep has quit IRC[19:20:38] *** bens1 has quit IRC[19:21:10] *** jpeach has quit IRC[19:21:37] *** jpeach has joined #omnios[19:26:47] *** jpeach has quit IRC[19:45:09] *** nikolam has quit IRC[20:06:28] *** sebasp_ is now known as sebasp[20:16:28] *** sebasp is now known as sebasp_[22:53:09] *** khushildep has joined #omnios[23:04:25] *** khushildep has quit IRC[23:05:35] *** sebasp_ is now known as sebasp[23:32:23] *** khushildep has joined #omnios[23:51:44] *** khushildep has quit IRC