October 31, 2013 
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But it is what it is.[16:11:48] <mayuresh> ah, okay, any time in the next 7 days![16:13:46] <mayuresh> a seriously off-topic personal question;[16:13:59] <mayuresh> why jesus in one place, and postwait in others?[16:14:19] <postwait> jesus is a very very common name, so often times the handle is taken.[16:14:33] <postwait> I can't be jesus here... 'cause someone is already jesus here.[16:14:56] <mayuresh> :)[16:16:24] <mayuresh> btw, would it be sort-a wrong if omnios has other forms of donations than just bitcoins?[16:16:31] <postwait> It's the 101st most popular male given name in the U.S. (which surprised the hell out of me)[16:16:50] <mayuresh> :)[16:16:50] <postwait> it's much more popular in spanish speaking countries.[16:17:00] <postwait> it would not be wrong.[16:17:16] <postwait> donations can be accepted via paypal or google or something like that too.[16:17:31] <mayuresh> i feel a bit guilty about just using omnios and not giving anything back...[16:18:49] <postwait> lots of ways to give back... money is, of course, one such way.[16:19:16] <mayuresh> umnn, would omnios accept work in terms of general use packages?[16:19:46] <mayuresh> i've managed to get mutt and lynx compiled, can give other stuff a shot too[16:19:49] <postwait> omnios is a jeos by design. work in removing packages would be awesome.[16:20:03] <apeiron> brb removing nano and vim[16:20:10] <postwait> ;-)[16:20:13] <mayuresh> :D[16:20:26] <lotheac> as long as you still ship vi![16:20:33] <richlowe> as long as you _never_ ship vi[16:20:38] <lotheac> what :)[16:20:39] <thebug> nah we're removing vi for teco[16:20:40] <postwait> obviously there are biases that I've strongarmed.[16:20:43] <richlowe> ship vim, ship nvi[16:20:49] <mayuresh> yeah, why not just have the solaris 'vi'?[16:20:54] <richlowe> because it's terrible[16:21:00] <postwait> we have ed... so cope.[16:21:11] <richlowe> most notably, the exit code returned by "real" vi is a count of the interactive errors made by the user[16:21:15] <richlowe> if you hit 'dd' one too many times, that's 1'[16:21:19] <lotheac> well, vi is posix-specified so have to have some variant ;)[16:21:21] <richlowe> you now need to go do it 255 more times to exit success.[16:21:23] <apeiron> richlowe, ...[16:21:35] <mayuresh> :D[16:21:54] <postwait> if I could get rid of perl and java, I'd be very very happy.[16:21:59] <richlowe> apeiron: years of 'foo commit' and EDITOR=vi, it bakes in a certain... bitterness.[16:22:00] <ashley_w> nano![16:22:22] <apeiron> ouch.[16:22:35] <postwait> mayuresh: paypal: paypal at omniti dot com for donations if you so desire.[16:22:35] <lotheac> apeiron, but I don't think you can remove nano because it's not in core :P[16:22:51] <mayuresh> postwait: thanks, you made my day... :)[16:23:16] <richlowe> postwait: What do you still have java around for?[16:23:19] <richlowe> postwait: poold?[16:23:21] <postwait> there are only a *tiny* number of things in core that were strongarmed in (deviate from the edict of minimalism)[16:23:35] <postwait> poold and the dhcp-bits build.[16:23:35] <richlowe> I think everything else that uses java is also a bit crap.[16:23:42] <richlowe> oh, right, Sun dhcp[16:23:48] <richlowe> I'd still say "a bit crap"[16:24:02] <postwait> I tried to flip that to gcc java... but that's a pile of shit ... no success.[16:24:14] <richlowe> Yeah, I wouldn't go trying fun like that I don't think.[16:24:26] <richlowe> pretty sure there's yet another exception handling bug where gcj may not be able to throw, too :\[16:24:26] <mayuresh> postwait: why perl?[16:24:40] <postwait> great question.. why perl? 'cause we have to.[16:24:42] <richlowe> mayuresh: get things out of the core, and you can be much more flexible about what users actually see[16:25:01] <richlowe> without the problems, for eg, smartos have had where users "find" things they shouldn't, then use them, then complain when they break or disappear.[16:25:10] <thebug> postwait: was there a specific requirement for sun dhcp bits, or would effort into isc dhcpd be useful?[16:25:15] <apeiron> same with OSX[16:25:16] <mayuresh> richlowe: true[16:25:29] <apeiron> folks abusing private APIs and then getting upset when they change/disappear[16:25:31] <postwait> that project is underway here. isc dhcpd as a replacement.[16:25:37] <lotheac> \o/[16:25:45] <mayuresh> cool :)[16:25:55] <richlowe> postwait: but how will I ever proxy bootp across broadcasts domain then?![16:25:58] <postwait> poold is a bigger problem.[16:26:01] <richlowe> (I'm not serious, I just recall Sun's dhcp can)[16:26:07] <postwait> richlowe: netcat[16:26:24] <thebug> print your bootp packets out, then read them off over the PA[16:26:28] <thebug> instant proxy[16:26:36] <postwait> and broadcast.. very clever.[16:27:00] <postwait> granted, I doubt many omnios users use poold..[16:27:10] <postwait> but it seems a heftier decision to just go destroy that.[16:27:51] <mayuresh> postwait: even if you manage to eliminate dependency on jre, would the jdk pkg go away from the repo too?[16:28:07] <postwait> yup.[16:28:11] <postwait> (into another repo)[16:28:19] <mayuresh> whew... :)[16:28:30] <mayuresh> you mean the ms- one[16:28:43] <postwait> we have a lot of repos here ;-) very layered cake.[16:28:49] <thebug> are the poold bits tied into zones/containers resource management or am I thinking of something else?[16:28:51] <mayuresh> :D[16:29:00] <postwait> resource management.[16:29:03] <postwait> not zones I don't think.[16:29:52] <mayuresh> cool, gotta go, time for dinner, see you all later... :)[16:30:10] *** desai has quit IRC[16:30:15] *** mayuresh has quit IRC[16:30:28] <richlowe> resource management in general[16:45:30] *** daleg has joined #omnios[16:59:09] *** pygi has joined #omnios[16:59:20] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #omnios[17:24:44] *** nefilim has quit IRC[17:44:51] *** teletype has quit IRC[17:49:03] *** wez has joined #omnios[17:56:38] *** ira has quit IRC[17:56:46] *** ira_ has joined #omnios[18:11:19] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:17:08] *** mayuresh has joined #omnios[18:17:17] *** hlangeveld has joined #omnios[18:23:25] *** mayuresh has quit IRC[18:42:32] *** ira_ is now known as ira[18:49:01] *** iAmTheDave_ has joined #omnios[18:49:43] *** iAmTheDave has quit IRC[18:52:10] *** iAmTheDave_ is now known as iAmTheDave[19:14:45] *** iAmTheDave has quit IRC[19:21:25] *** tcreech has joined #omnios[19:25:23] *** wez has quit IRC[19:25:28] *** neophenix has quit IRC[19:25:42] *** bayoda has quit IRC[19:25:42] *** Gibheer has quit IRC[19:54:40] *** sebasp_ is now known as sebasp[20:09:34] *** szaydel has joined #omnios[20:13:30] *** xeyed4good1 has left #omnios[20:18:11] *** wez has joined #omnios[20:18:11] *** neophenix has joined #omnios[20:18:12] *** bayoda has joined #omnios[20:18:12] *** Gibheer has joined #omnios[20:18:21] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:21:11] *** sebasp is now known as sebasp_[20:22:09] *** szaydel has joined #omnios[20:29:02] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:37:04] *** vrou has joined #omnios[20:38:45] *** pygi has quit IRC[21:01:23] *** bens1 has quit IRC[21:16:53] *** iAmTheDave has joined #omnios[21:26:25] *** Tom_H has joined #omnios[21:32:35] *** vrou has quit IRC[21:37:35] *** berend has joined #omnios[22:04:17] *** Tom_H has quit IRC[22:08:26] *** Tom_H has joined #omnios[22:18:27] *** _newburns_ has joined #omnios[22:18:39] * _newburns_ says Hello To ALL[22:18:57] <_newburns_> is there a Zabbix-agent package for OmniOS?[22:20:49] *** desai has joined #omnios[22:21:46] <_newburns_> no zabbix-agent then I guess?[22:23:52] *** desai has quit IRC[22:24:20] <Gibheer> _newburns_: doesn't look like it[22:25:26] <Gibheer> but it should compile easily[22:26:22] <_newburns_> I'm very new to Solaris. As a matter of fact, everything that I do ahs been done through Napp-IT[22:26:36] <_newburns_> I will build a virtual machine and try to mess around with it.[22:26:47] <_newburns_> If I compile on one machine, can I export that to another machine?[22:28:08] <thebug> http://omnios.omniti.com/wiki.php/Packaging is sort of the jumping off point if you want to make an IPS package[22:28:36] <thebug> the How-tos at the bottom, specifically[22:29:01] <_newburns_> What is IPS? Are you referring to me?[22:29:03] <Gibheer> _newburns_: yes, that works when you package it as an IPS package[22:29:14] <thebug> IPS is the packaging system that illumos (and omnios, more specifically) use[22:29:28] <thebug> if you're from linux, the analogue is rpm+yum, dpkg+apt, whatever[22:29:41] <_newburns_> ok, once I package it, can I submit it back to the IPS for others to fine tune?[22:29:57] <thebug> there's no central place for you to 'submit' it[22:30:28] <thebug> you'd build it into your own IPS server, then install it from there onto whatever machines you would like it on[22:30:31] <_newburns_> I thought there was a standard repository that was installed on the base OmniOS[22:30:59] <thebug> there are IPS repos that make up the base installation, yes[22:31:37] <thebug> they are not catch-all repositories though. OmniTI keeps them to the minimum viable set of things to have a working machine and build other packages on top[22:31:38] <danlarkin> _newburns_: this gets back to the JEOS philosophy[22:32:37] <postwait> the zabbix agent won't go into core omnios... but outside of OmniOS repo management is decentralized.[22:32:51] <postwait> so you can have your own repo and host your packages there.[22:33:43] <_newburns_> Understood, but what if I submit it to something like http://pkg.thetube.ch:10001/[22:33:50] <_newburns_> I don't want to host packages[22:34:04] <_newburns_> I just want a zabbix agent so I can monitor diskIO[22:34:07] <_newburns_> and activity[22:34:19] <thebug> you'd have to talk to whoever the maintainer is for that[22:34:32] <thebug> it's highly unlikely the repository is just open to randomly let you push packages into it[22:34:46] <_newburns_> How else are you monitoring your disk IO then?[22:34:57] <_newburns_> That route seems too indepth for what I'm trying to do[22:35:36] <_newburns_> My Proxmox Host does not relay Disk IO for OpenVZ containers and I want to see the overall performance of my ZFS syste[22:35:38] <thebug> you could build it into your own prefix in /opt, tar that up, and copy it to each box you want to use it on, if you're not interested in using IPS for this[22:36:05] <postwait> we use Circonus.[22:36:25] <postwait> Everyone uses different monitoring.[22:36:33] <postwait> It's a bigger holy war than editors.[22:36:35] <_newburns_> But generally agentless snmp?[22:36:46] <postwait> snmpd is actually called the snmp agent.[22:36:56] <postwait> it is, by its very design, an agent.[22:37:14] <postwait> To get like that off the box, I typically use nad[22:37:31] <postwait> https://github.com/circonus-labs/nad[22:37:46] <postwait> exports all illumos awesomeness out over json over http.[22:37:57] <postwait> perhaps the easiest thing to consume ever.[22:38:39] <thebug> that is pretty damn slick postwait, thanks for the link[22:38:47] <_newburns_> So you write your own scripts to determine IO activity?[22:38:57] <_newburns_> and display over http with circonus[22:39:05] <postwait> there are already there in plugins/illumos/[22:39:11] <postwait> they are...[22:39:26] <postwait> https://github.com/circonus-labs/nad/tree/master/plugins/illumos[22:39:28] <thebug> we have dtrace in illumos-land, you can write scripts to introspect almost anything you can think of with D[22:39:32] <postwait> sdinfo.sh and zfsinfo.sh[22:39:38] <postwait> both have nice info.[22:39:59] <_newburns_> Do you have a screenshot of the final http?[22:40:23] <postwait> http is just json[22:41:22] <postwait> and the documents can be a bit big... if you pull a lot of metrics.[22:41:49] <postwait> not sure I have anywhere publicly accessible that exposes that.[22:42:00] <postwait> anyone know how to curl out to a gist?[22:42:55] *** desai has joined #omnios[22:43:04] <postwait> this is a snippet of the middle of a json doc: https://gist.github.com/postwait/7257708[22:43:12] <postwait> it's not valid json due to the snippet part.[22:43:25] <thebug> you hit the little <> icon for the 'raw' link[22:43:39] <thebug> https://gist.github.com/postwait/7257708/raw/af11341c17363c00c0e837eccfdc4ad3d7b68d8d/gistfile1.txt[22:45:01] <postwait> https://share.circonus.com/shared/graphs/28b4df57-76e4-c3b8-d4a0-f1c3261037f3/0vCR8E[22:45:05] <postwait> is what we do with it all[22:48:49] *** _newburns_ has quit IRC[22:54:34] *** desai has quit IRC[23:00:58] *** neophenix has quit IRC[23:03:08] *** postwait has quit IRC[23:03:49] *** teletype has joined #omnios[23:07:02] *** kohju_ has joined #omnios[23:08:34] *** kohju has quit IRC[23:22:01] *** hlangeveld has quit IRC[23:23:23] *** nikolam has quit IRC[23:23:29] *** mayuresh has joined #omnios[23:24:36] *** mayuresh has quit IRC[23:29:28] *** gmason has quit IRC[23:32:15] *** nikolam has joined #omnios[23:34:28] *** Tom_H has quit IRC