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[01:15:49] <oibot> Project illumos-gate build #5170: SUCCESS in 10 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/illumos-gate/5170/
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[04:48:32] <nikolam> I get broken locale message, even when running /bin/pkg command from other , older booted OI , from mounted BE in /mnt . So could be that newer binaries are compiled expecting something else
[04:49:59] <nikolam> newer means that BE that using 'pkg' from if dated January 31st
[04:50:06] <nikolam> is
[04:54:57] <nikolam> As I see on update is mostly reinstall most of binaries, I guess all are recompiled in the meantime and that is the case
[04:56:03] <nikolam> (disk space required on update is 10G+ so that's it)
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[07:32:47] <oibot> Project oi-userland build #3855: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/oi-userland/3855/
[07:36:34] <nikolam> pkg command after update complains on ; locale package may be broken or not installed ;
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[09:19:00] <alp_> tsoome: cool, EFI GUI iso image boots in VirtualBox EFI mode
[09:20:49] <tsoome> can you try if we can use fdisk -E instead of zpool create? :D
[09:27:29] <alp_> tsoome: modify PR :)
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[09:58:00] <alp_> tsoome: if we format disk with fdisk -E , how do we create boot partition?
[09:59:58] <tsoome> yea, I need to find a bit time to check. I thin it should be enough to have PMBR on disk (from fdisk -e) and then the same vtoc based interface is translated to GPT entries.
[10:06:44] <alp_> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/slim_source/pull/36/commits/472f20e97c13350436978f4f02861e26fd1e318e ?
[10:12:31] <tsoome> yep, that should do (we only can use *p0 device with fdisk)
[10:24:57] <alp_> tsoome: what do we need to enable UEFI installations? Copying loader.efi to EFI boot partition or bootadm install-bootloader already should do this?
[10:26:22] <tsoome> right now we only can do this “manually”, eventually the installboot should get updates to perform it automatically.
[10:27:25] <tsoome> I am not sure how soon we should make it happen — I mean, if the installer will put the files in place and user will boot it in UEFI mode and will not get console - is is good or bad.
[10:28:06] <tsoome> if he/she will do it, it is his/her decision with accepting the result.
[10:28:13] <alp_> we can always put it in some readme
[10:28:42] <alp_> GUI images should work fine
[10:28:56] <alp_> user gets desktop in the end
[10:29:05] <alp_> (if everything is fine :))
[10:34:17] <tsoome> in that sense it really sucks we do not have release/current versioning. rolling releases with “must have production quality” is just nonsense IMO.
[10:34:40] <alp_> we have snapshots
[10:35:30] <alp_> I consider that splitting release/current on OI is impossible without more devs
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[10:38:48] <tsoome> yes
[10:39:08] <tsoome> release/current means release engineering and that alone is huge work.
[10:40:13] <xenol> I don't think release engineering is so much work once properly automated.
[10:40:26] <xenol> What I see as a problem is reaching an agreement in the wider illumos community
[10:40:59] <xenol> omniosce is able to have both, with minimum amount of people
[10:41:17] <xenol> the fact that we haven't merged efforts makes both sides weak :]
[10:41:45] <Woodstock> xenol: and they do so without an agreement in the wider illumos community :)
[10:41:52] <xenol> but that's nothing new in illumos ecosystem, having your own distro is a big thing!
[10:42:15] <xenol> Woodstock: but if I understand this problem is not tied to just OI, but the gate itself as well
[10:42:41] <tsoome> in some extent.
[10:43:44] <tsoome> you can manage all the flag days/heads up yourself, but thats assuming you are paying attention on announces:D
[10:44:24] <tsoome> but it is imperfect world and things will happen from time to time.
[10:45:16] <xenol> yes, "fighting" among illumos community members making illumos further irrelevant =)
[10:45:21] <alp_> I hate to say this, but these things depends on number of paid full-time devs :(
[10:45:27] <xenol> yes
[10:46:09] <Toasterson> alp_ xenol: did we drop tcp-wrappers recently or am I just unable to find them
[10:46:21] <alp_> libwrap?
[10:46:30] <Toasterson> library/security/tcp-wrappers
[10:46:39] <Toasterson> Did FMRI change?
[10:46:49] <xenol> but not just on that, how community behaves and cooperates. There is some basic cooperation going on, but the proposed successful linux model that people wanted to follow is out of hands
[10:47:01] <alp_> system/library ?
[10:47:02] <xenol> linux devs send features to the upstream, not keep it locally
[10:47:30] <alp_> don't remember tcp-wrappers
[10:47:35] <xenol> what we have instead is basic illumos-gate in illumos/illumos-gate and a lot of stuff happening in forks
[10:47:40] <xenol> but that's nothing new ;)
[10:48:10] <Toasterson> it was present some time ago (November) But not now
[10:48:28] <xenol> Toasterson: I don't know I haven't updated in a while
[10:48:42] <alp_> Toasterson: I don't remember this
[10:48:50] <alp_> Toasterson: dev didn't ship it
[10:48:57] * Toasterson is confused
[10:49:01] <alp_> Toasterson: illumos-gate also didn't IIRC
[10:49:15] <alp_> libwrap lives in system/library
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[10:49:19] <Toasterson> why on earth did I write that down to be installed then ???
[10:49:32] <tsoome> some other distro?
[10:49:47] <Toasterson> nope
[10:51:21] <Toasterson> maybe something I wanted to upstream but forgot. Well in anycase something I need to find out. THnaks for the info
[10:56:06] <Toasterson> whap whap whaaaap. It's a typo it should be library/security/tcp-wrapper
[10:56:12] <Toasterson> without s at the end
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[14:26:18] <Toasterson> Is it only me or does zabbix-agent not start on newest hipster?
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[14:33:11] <jollyd> alp_: something happened to keyboard layouts and I am not able to understand why... I have three machines with (data-xkb version, layout, language, accents working?), { ( 2.23.1, FR, FR, yes ), ( 2.22, SE, EN, no), ( 2.23.1, EN, EN, no) ... it seems that the language defined may affect but I cannot tell why/where...
[14:34:24] <jollyd> I tried to roll back data-xkb from 2.23.1 to 2.22 on the 3rd machine and it does not affect anything.
[14:35:20] <jollyd> do you know if/where there is a possible interaction between the language and the keyboard layout in the graphical interface?
[14:36:16] <jollyd> the bad thing is that I did all the testing with the FR machine ...
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[14:36:27] <jollyd> which works unconditionally...
[14:36:27] <alp_> hi
[14:36:32] <alp_> is pure X affected?
[14:37:01] <jollyd> if I run an xterm session only yes
[14:39:56] <psydroid> I could install the latest Openindiana version with kpti in Virtualbox, Solaris 11.4 beta however gets stuck during installation ...
[14:40:20] <psydroid> jollyd, should we test it with various layouts?
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[14:48:45] <jollyd> psydroid: if you have any non-EN layout and can type accents that would be good
[14:49:13] <psydroid> jollyd, sure, I can try as I speak a number of languages
[14:49:25] <jollyd> alp_: also it affects lightdm
[14:51:06] <jollyd> alp_: hmm do you think that compiling xorg before or after updating data-xkb may affect?
[14:51:49] <alp_> jollyd: don't think so
[14:51:59] <jollyd> that would be a sad border effect
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[14:56:14] <jollyd> I'll try switching the language on my laptop and see if it affects..
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[15:12:50] <jollyd> hmm xkbcomp
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[15:18:08] <jollyd> I really do not get it... I just updated packages with the exact same xorg version and the lightdm logs are different...
[15:20:17] <jollyd> lightdm before and after: https://pastebin.com/VQkvwVBN
[15:21:33] <psycho_> Det går alt bra, tror jeg. Nie wiem, który źółw żyje w Polsce. Ich glaube, dass alles noch gut funktioniert hier in der straße.
[15:21:44] <psycho_> I'm having no problems with these languages
[15:22:39] <jollyd> Swedish broke on my laptop not on the workstation... :S :S :S
[15:23:50] <psycho_> Maybe it has something to do with your settings? Or do other people have similar problems?
[15:24:04] <jollyd> x-0.log https://pastebin.com/GXEiyGBv
[15:24:10] <psycho_> This is just a fresh install so it may not have those problems you are experiencing
[15:24:45] <jollyd> psycho_: people experience the samer issues, this affect systems updated after 6th of March
[15:25:32] <psycho_> jollyd, I have just updated my system too, so I think I am using the latest bits now
[15:25:56] <jollyd> ah
[15:25:58] <psycho_> Are there any other languages I should try?
[15:26:29] <jollyd> could you post /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/lightdm logs somewhere?
[15:26:37] <psycho_> sure, let me see
[15:27:23] <jollyd> I need to run back to the office, I'll be connected again in 15min
[15:28:02] <psycho_> Ok
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[15:34:21] <alp_> tsoome: prvtoc fails if I use just fdisk -E
[15:34:38] <alp_> (I mean prvtoc .... step)
[15:36:52] <alp_> Partition 1 not aligned on cylinder boundary: " 1 1 00 0 2048 2047"
[15:40:32] <alp_> after fdisk -E - https://pastebin.com/pVH9yKa4
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[16:15:16] <alarcher> alp_: I updated to the repository's versions, now accents do not work in lightdm even on my workstation... but accents still work in MATE.
[16:19:08] <psycho_> these are the logs, https://pastebin.com/LRdWKU7w https://pastebin.com/MLQtZjKM https://pastebin.com/AptiJWcG
[16:20:58] <alarcher> psycho_: thanks! do you have /var/lightdm/x-0.log as well?
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[16:23:41] <psycho_> alarcher: that is the last one I think, this is seat0-greeter.log https://pastebin.com/RPCUNWQ1
[16:34:19] <alarcher> thanks
[16:34:41] <psycho_> you're welcome
[16:36:17] <alarcher> so could it be, could it be, that xkbcomp is the culprit
[16:37:36] <alarcher> could it be, could it, that it's joking with me?
[16:37:57] <alarcher> (oh ruby ruby ruby!)
[16:38:10] <psycho_> haha
[16:38:57] <alarcher> know what you're doing doing doing to me :S
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[16:45:05] <psycho_> good song, btw
[16:50:29] <leoric> tsoome: can we use fdisk for formatting efi-labeled device or is it completely useless? ;)
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[17:04:44] <leoric> if we use zpool create -B .../zpool destroy, for initializing GPT on USB image, it works
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[17:23:56] <leoric> BTW, I've checked usb image, created with zpool, it boots in UEFI mode
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[17:50:05] <leoric> zsh dislikes our PS1 in skel profile...
[17:55:35] <jollyd> leoric: I have just read that INOI offers really nice phones and tablet PCs running SailfishOS. Is it a popular brand?
[18:02:05] <leoric> just don't buy 'Russian' phones ;)
[18:03:46] <leoric> If you want decent cheap Android, look at Chineese producers, like Xiaomi
[18:03:55] <psychicist__> what are 'Russian' phones?
[18:04:10] <leoric> likely rebranded Chinese models
[18:04:15] <psychicist__> oh, I see
[18:04:26] <psychicist__> no Elbrus, no fun
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[18:27:27] <oibot> Project oi-userland build #3856: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/oi-userland/3856/
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[19:46:05] <alarcher> psycho_: do the grave and acute accents work for you?
[19:46:27] <alarcher> I have a swedish kbd on the laptop, and the accent key disappeared
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[19:52:59] <alarcher> and now it becomes annoying... the laptop that did not work yesterday is fine today
[19:53:00] <alarcher> ...
[19:53:01] <alarcher> ...
[19:55:39] <alarcher> right still the 3rd level on swedish keyboard does not work as expected...
[19:56:01] <alanc> my favorite XKB thing recently was discovering the hard way, and via lots of tracking through the system, that if you remove the /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb symlink, HAL & Xorg refuse to acknowledge that you even have a keyboard
[19:56:09] <alarcher> ah ah
[19:56:19] <alarcher> sun keymap versus generic !
[19:56:24] <alanc> heh
[19:56:46] <alarcher> ho ho
[19:56:57] <alarcher> sorry timing issue
[19:57:45] <alarcher> alanc: somebody was using sun ray on OI last year and since I forgot such symlink the keyboard would not work at all
[19:58:12] <alarcher> after adding it back to the package things worked as expected
[19:58:52] <alarcher> damn I have read that lightdm relies on some system wide configuration file to set the default kbd layout
[19:58:58] <alarcher> that does not sound smart
[19:59:35] <alarcher> "Let us devise seats so people can chose where they want to be but they'll eat the same food"
[20:00:27] <alarcher> choose *grunt*
[20:02:18] <alarcher> alanc: it seems that the keymaps for sun 6/7 usb set as default is not as rich as the pc 105 intl ones
[20:02:46] <alarcher> alanc: for instance alt-gr + ä on a swedish keyboard would give æ
[20:02:55] <richlowe> XCompose for life.
[20:03:04] <richlowe> assuming alan finally added all the fun ones to solaris.
[20:05:09] <alarcher> now switching to greek was not good
[20:05:22] <alarcher> setxkbmap does not speak greek
[20:05:48] <alarcher> setxkbmap does not honour sigma epsilon as a valid swedish layout
[20:06:16] <richlowe> have you considered just not using funny characters? :)
[20:06:26] <richlowe> (you can take my ŷ from my cold dead hands, though.)
[20:06:39] <alarcher> richlowe: I wish I spoke a language that does not need vowels
[20:07:07] <alarcher> like blwch llwch
[20:07:22] <alarcher> :P
[20:07:24] <richlowe> they call it "double-u" for a reason!
[20:07:32] <alarcher> oh
[20:07:34] <alarcher> indeed
[20:07:48] <alarcher> I stand corrected
[20:09:30] <alarcher> even with the level3(ralt_switch) our dear sun(type6_usb) does not speak 3rd level on the swedish keyboard
[20:16:50] <alarcher> o'right
[20:16:57] <alarcher> xkbcomp is the culprit
[20:23:03] <alarcher> this does not make any sense...
[20:24:17] <alarcher> one reboot with the same configuration and now the accent key does not work anymore on the swedish kbd....
[20:29:08] <psycho_> alarcher, let me try
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[20:33:38] <psycho_> alarcher, les élèves ne sont pas là
[20:33:54] <psycho_> alarcher, I used Canadian Multilingual for French, though
[20:34:33] <psycho_> US International with dead keys does not work
[20:34:51] <psycho_> so I don't know what exactly is happening here
[20:35:17] <psycho_> é í á
[20:35:26] <psycho_> I can write these
[20:36:25] <alarcher> ok this is annoying
[20:36:31] <alarcher> I had a working setup
[20:36:39] <alarcher> I updated to xkbcomp 1.4.1
[20:36:44] <alarcher> everything broke
[20:36:50] <alarcher> I rolled back to 1.4.0
[20:36:54] <alarcher> nothing works
[20:36:58] <alarcher> wtf
[20:37:36] <alarcher> the difference being that I had a French environment at some point
[20:38:31] <psycho_> I don't know what changed either
[20:39:01] <psycho_> and I guess I would rather use iBus as 4 languages aren't enough for me ...
[20:39:26] <alarcher> and I tried with ibus yesterday
[20:39:29] <alarcher> it worked well
[20:39:37] <psycho_> yeah
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[20:44:53] <psycho_> if there is any request I could make to you once this has been resolved it would be to add support for languages such as Hindi and Persian in ibus, but that isn't a priority for now
[20:46:23] <alarcher> psycho_: I doubt I'll have time for that but if you want to package them I can help you with it
[20:47:38] <psycho_> alarcher, sure, I don't have the time for that now either but I will appreciate your help when I get to it
[20:48:39] <psycho_> I am already pretty happy with the ibus support that is there and working, I use Android a lot for multilingual input because it's usually such a chore to switch between layouts on a laptop/desktop
[20:50:17] <psycho_> alarcher, French alt. layout seems to work with accents, but I guess you already figured that out
[20:50:33] <psycho_> well, they are completely different characters
[20:50:46] <psycho_> with different keys assigned to them on your keyboard
[20:57:47] <alarcher> psycho_: just an innocent question... do you have a .dmrc?
[20:59:49] <psycho_> alarcher, yes, I do
[20:59:53] <psycho_> [Desktop]
[20:59:53] <psycho_> Session=mate
[20:59:53] <psycho_> Language=en_US.UTF-8
[21:00:01] <psycho_> this is what it contains
[21:00:24] <alarcher> psycho_: should we bet that if you do not have any Language defined then accents will stop working?
[21:00:48] <alarcher> ;)
[21:00:55] <psycho_> alarcher, I can try, I guess I have to log out for that first :)
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[21:08:29] <psycho_> alarcher, as far as I can see no en-us keyboard layout works with accents, at least I cannot manage to get it to work
[21:08:46] <alarcher> psycho_: the difference between working and non-working state on my laptop is that I have a (very reasonable :P) Language=fr_FR.UTF-8 defined, if .dmrc does not exist I cannot enter any accents even if the layout is the same
[21:10:36] <psycho_> alarcher, that makes sense, no one uses Dutch layout even for writing Dutch as it is just plain weird, all our keyboards are just en-US ones :D
[21:11:46] <alarcher> psycho_: so basically on my laptop, even if I select the correct swedish kbd layout I cannot type valid accented characters that are supported by the swedish keyboard
[21:12:15] <alarcher> unless a Language variable is defined
[21:13:03] <alarcher> because well, if you have a English MATE environment why the fuck would you like to type éè with your French or Swedish kbd
[21:13:11] <psycho_> jag vil äte knäckebröd
[21:13:16] <alarcher> that makes total sense(-not)
[21:13:32] <alarcher> eller lutefisk?
[21:14:00] <psycho_> det också
[21:14:27] <psycho_> this is the Swedish layout, but the characters are mapped to separate keys on the keyboard
[21:15:48] <psycho_> ä ö å
[21:18:40] <alarcher> so ... the language defined in the greeter affects what one can type in MATE
[21:18:42] <alarcher> cool
[21:19:03] <alarcher> it is 2018 and we still cannot handle keyboards properly
[21:19:06] <psycho_> US International with dead keys does not work either
[21:19:08] <psycho_> haha
[21:19:16] <alanc> richlowe: in 11.4:
[21:19:20] <alanc> <Multi_key> <F> <U> : "🖕" U1F595 # REVERSED HAND WITH MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED
[21:19:20] <alanc> <Multi_key> <L> <L> <A> <P> : "🖖" U1F596 # RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND RING FINGERS
[21:19:33] <alarcher> O_O
[21:19:46] <alanc> nearly 20 years of working on X, and those two lines may be what I'm most remembered for
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[21:20:31] <alarcher> beauty
[21:20:43] <alanc> I think we may have switched from the sun keymaps to the pc105 ones in S11
[21:20:57] * alanc struggling to remember 8 years ago
[21:20:58] <alarcher> we should do they same
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[21:21:38] <alarcher> vlc 3.0.1 seems to have broken OpenGL for us
[21:21:41] <alarcher> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[21:21:48] <alanc> hmm, setxkbmap -query still shows model: sun_type6_usb
[21:23:10] <alarcher> and finally I found how to type french double quotes...
[21:23:25] <alarcher> «guillemets»
[21:25:29] <alarcher> psycho_: thank you for you help :)
[21:27:50] <psycho_> alarcher, you are welcome :)
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[21:39:48] <alarcher> alp_: so the conclusion is... my workstation setup works because I have a Language defined in .drmc, if this is empty then any attempt to type accents, even with a valid kbd layout, will fail
[21:39:58] <alarcher> .dmrc...
[21:40:13] <alarcher> someone has spent too much time in another codebase
[21:40:14] <alarcher> ...
[21:41:44] <alarcher> alanc: I am now updating libxkbcommon to further make my system unusable :)
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[21:53:19] <richlowe> using X to make systems unusable is basically alanc's entire career.
[21:58:49] <alanc> there were also bits with using X to break assumptions in both IPS & the linkers too!
[22:25:07] <oibot> Project oi-userland build #3857: SUCCESS in 24 min: https://hipster.openindiana.org/jenkins/job/oi-userland/3857/
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[23:09:31] <jollyd> richlowe: nice resumé :)
[23:10:39] <jollyd> alanc: so merging x11 into userland is a way to extend your ability to break things?
[23:12:14] <alanc> you could say that
[23:12:20] <alanc> only broken userland a little bit so far
[23:12:24] <alanc> ... so far
[23:12:43] <jollyd> so I am happy that I found a way to work around the accent issue... patching lightdm like a little piggy to default to en_US.UTF-8 does not seem too bad until a proper fix is found...
[23:12:59] <jollyd> alanc: I have similar ability in scientific computing and applied maths
[23:13:46] <jollyd> alanc: I usually make 10 year-old bugs visible and sometimes they invalidate academic results published over a decade
[23:14:08] <jollyd> then obviously people hate me
[23:14:50] <jollyd> "things worked perfectly until you found the bug" (tm)
[23:15:22] <jollyd> richlowe: wanna hear about TLS relocation? ;)
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[23:16:32] <richlowe> is it the same thing Woodstock is having issues with?
[23:16:44] <richlowe> 'cos I thought we talked about that, and not using the gnu2 stuff worked
[23:16:46] <richlowe> but he said it didn't.
[23:17:55] <alanc> does it involve relocating TLS data over a TLS encrypted connection due to a TLA collision?
[23:20:05] <jollyd> richlowe: it seems that Qt complains as well but I have not had the time to dig, just trying to reach alanc's level. Not using gnu2 did not work either with boost
[23:20:28] <jollyd> It seems that the gnu linker is able to do something that should not be done.
[23:20:46] <jollyd> hence not supported by illumos ld
[23:20:51] <alanc> there are many things that should not be done with linkers
[23:21:05] <alanc> doesn't stop us from trying though
[23:21:19] <alanc> keeps rich "entertained"
[23:22:25] <jollyd> I'll make sure to file a bug to rich if my relocation to Stockholm is painful
[23:23:15] * alanc now has https://gifrific.com/are-you-not-entertained-gladiator/ stuck in his head
[23:30:40] <richlowe> jollyd: if you can find me a small test case (again?) I can look
[23:31:18] <richlowe> Woodstock: you, too
[23:32:25] <jollyd> richlowe: I'll try to extract a test from boost this week end, qt5 is way too big to navigate
[23:33:51] <richlowe> but yeah, the code I remember is as I remember it
[23:33:59] <richlowe> and it sure seemed right on the face of it
[23:34:25] <richlowe> I have a bit of confusion about why it's not bound locally.
[23:35:48] <richlowe> but I've been in that code before, and it makes me cry.
[23:35:59] <richlowe> so I'm not touching anything at all without a really good test case
[23:36:15] <richlowe> usr/src/cmd/sgs/libld/common/relocate.c:1527
[23:36:21] <richlowe> if you want to play along.
[23:36:44] <jollyd> so that where the kraken lives...
[23:36:56] <jollyd> that's
[23:38:15] <richlowe> what are you linking when this occurs?
[23:40:47] <jollyd> let me login to the uni and run the build again
[23:41:18] <richlowe> the failure as it exists seems reasonable, I wonder if we're hitting it erroneously.
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[23:43:17] <richlowe> or should be taking those as local
[23:43:37] <richlowe> or perhaps gld makes them local _because_ we try to use the local models?
[23:46:10] <richlowe> anyway, I'd need bugger-ld stuff from something small.
[23:46:15] <richlowe> and given you said boost and qt...
[23:46:22] <richlowe> Woodstock: where are you having problems? :)
[23:48:04] <jollyd> C++: In namespace, no one can hear you scream.
[23:48:37] <jollyd> Linker aliens ...
[23:49:28] <richlowe> Oh, they can fucking hear me scream.
[23:51:45] <tomww> throwing exceptions at?
[23:53:02] <richlowe> See, there we are, "catch" is totally the wrong model
[23:53:06] <richlowe> they throw exceptions
[23:53:11] <richlowe> sometimes the exceptions hit you
[23:53:52] <Woodstock> richlowe: darktable
[23:54:04] <Woodstock> richlowe: extracting a test case will take a bit
[23:54:47] <richlowe> well, I'm in no hurry to suffer.
[23:54:51] <richlowe> y'all take as long as you like :)
[23:55:05] <jollyd> oh darktable, actually something that I intended to add to oi-userland some months ago
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