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[09:31:14] <IamTrying> Hello Anyone here.
[09:38:01] <mr_lou> Mostly no
[09:38:59] <IamTrying> mr_lou, its very strange, all of a certain when Oracle take over Sun. Netbeans channel is dead like Oracle.
[09:39:33] <mr_lou> I haven't hung around here that long, so I wouldn't know.
[09:40:41] <IamTrying> Yea, i know, it was responsive before but after this Oracle take over. All went down. mr_lou
[09:41:05] <IamTrying> I have the nightly build Netbeans. Its dead slow in the latest version compared to old one.
[09:42:11] <mr_lou> I rarely update.
[09:42:11] <IamTrying> How to remove the History tab they implemented in editor? (its really a bad one, because slowing me down for 3 days)
[09:42:16] <mr_lou> I'm still using some older version.
[09:42:34] <mr_lou> dunno
[09:43:22] <IamTrying> The new feature of the History > http://i.imgur.com/Eaw27.png
[09:43:46] <IamTrying> Is really a bad one, after this new tab, i cant really work with NB. Its genius slow.
[09:44:23] <mr_lou> Hm, like a version conut?
[09:44:25] <mr_lou> *count
[09:44:29] <mr_lou> I don't want such a thing either.
[09:44:51] <mr_lou> Never needed such things.
[09:44:55] <IamTrying> Yes, i wanted to disable it. Its really a hated one (because i think thats causing huge slowness).
[09:45:18] <mr_lou> You're coding HTML and Javascript in Netbeans?
[09:45:23] <IamTrying> I did not asked NB to have it default? After installation its default, and very very slow.
[09:45:58] <mr_lou> In my experience all updates have always been slower than the previous version. That's why I always stick with an older version. I used Netbeans 5.5 for ages.
[09:45:59] <IamTrying> mr_lou, yes for zend framework i need to have my view files seperate and each view files are like C++ forms  so i have them in one file all
[09:46:24] <mr_lou> View files = GUI stuff?
[09:46:56] <IamTrying> mr_lou, i use for Kiosk, so i have all in one file
[09:47:21] <mr_lou> mkay
[09:47:27] * mr_lou uses Netbeans for J2ME
[09:47:33] <mr_lou> ...and Android now.
[09:47:40] <IamTrying> I use for J2SE
[09:47:58] <mr_lou> Never really coded anything with J2SE, but often thought about trying.
[09:48:12] <IamTrying> Its now a days getting very bad NB. very slow no attention to performence issues.
[09:48:27] <mr_lou> Have an idea for a cellphone game at the moment, planning  to develop it for J2ME and Android, and pondering about also doing a Desktop version in Java.
[09:49:12] <mr_lou> IamTrying, Well, have you tried Eclipse? Might be better for you. Not for me though. Tried 2 times. Eclipse is not for me.
[09:49:52] <IamTrying> mr_lou, i hate eclipse its always complicated for me. I want to sit with only 1 and learn that very well. so NB is my tools but its dead slow.
[09:50:29] <IamTrying> I dont understand why NB do not care any performence ?
[09:50:53] <IamTrying> So many years they are coding, still no single attention to there performence issues.
[09:51:08] <IamTrying> Latest version they made it dead slow, i never ever get there concepts.
[09:51:31] <mr_lou> No one cares about performance anymore.
[09:52:03] <IamTrying> I hate this coders really. Because they just write lines and other face all the problems.
[09:52:04] <mr_lou> Everything is bloated and slow. It costs time and money to optimize, so that part is skipped. People just buy a faster computer.
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[09:53:26] <IamTrying> In code editor i do not see why in the earth they implemented History which will cause lot of speed issue. They could have a option enable or disable History.
[09:53:44] <IamTrying> Code editor is the root part of whole NB. And they are messing around there.
[09:54:13] <mr_lou> First thing I do when I install Netbeans, is to disable all those things, like auto-help and such.
[09:54:29] <mr_lou> Are you really sure you can't disable the History tab somewhere? That's just silly and stupid.
[09:55:01] <IamTrying> Yes i cant disable it anywhere i look in to tools > editor  nowhere its showing how to disable this shit.
[09:55:08] <mr_lou> But, for HTML and Javascript stuff, I really think PSPad for Windoze is better.
[09:56:05] <IamTrying> mr_lou, its not only html, i have whole 30K lines of J2SE its dead now if i work with NB.
[09:57:27] <IamTrying> mr_lou, if i have to use other tools, i always use jEdit and Gedit. For windows notepad++.
[09:57:41] <mr_lou> I use gEdit a lot too.
[09:57:51] <mr_lou> For all my web stuff.
[09:57:56] <mr_lou> PSPad at work.
[10:00:19] <IamTrying> I really want to punch NB , project leader middle of his face. They never listen i think. mr_lou
[10:01:07] <mr_lou> Companies rarely listens to their customers I think.
[10:01:21] <mr_lou> Sometimes they learn, sometimes they don't. Nokia is currently learning.
[10:01:22] <IamTrying> And they are very nonsense because customers are the meat.
[10:01:28] <mr_lou> ...I think.
[10:01:50] <IamTrying> I never write a single line without thinking its never for me. Its for my users.
[10:04:04] <mr_lou> Sony Ericsson has also been learning lately.
[10:04:13] <mr_lou> Not sure Oracle will learn anything though.
[10:04:37] <mr_lou> IamTrying, Code your own editor.
[10:04:52] <IamTrying> Yes, and i will be also happy when Oracle start learn. Maybe Google will punch Oracle face sooner or later.
[10:05:16] <mr_lou> I always code my own tools, in order to be 100% satisfied.
[10:05:41] <IamTrying> mr_lou, Aptana i can rebuild
[10:05:55] <mr_lou> At work we using a CMS I developed. And soon we'll be using time-management and order-management tool I've done too.
[10:07:33] <IamTrying> nice
[10:08:01] <IamTrying> Oracle is kind of big brother he think he is big he is large, and he is the rule. mr_lou
[10:08:22] <mr_lou> All big companies are like that.
[10:08:24] <IamTrying> Somewhere sooner they will get some kickass i guess.
[10:08:36] <IamTrying> mr_lou, mostly linux is blocking them, i like it
[10:08:53] <IamTrying> There OpenJDK was required instead of Sun java.
[10:09:06] <IamTrying> There all tools are not available in Linux community.
[10:09:15] <IamTrying> Like this way hate gets born.
[10:09:36] <IamTrying> And nicely and smartly we can kickass oracle saying "put your rules in your s"
[10:10:32] <mr_lou> I don't find OpenJDK sufficient for J2ME.
[10:10:42] <mr_lou> Compiled stuff with OpenJDK didn't run on some of my test phones.
[10:10:52] <mr_lou> Had to use Sun JDK.
[10:14:28] <IamTrying> mr_lou, Well, Any of many reason. Oracle is dirty IT politician. ITs like a black hole, always they want the rules. I do not see any reason of using "Sun JDK" its ugly (jmf is dead, browser objects never exist) all we give to them is with OpenJDK, and Sun JDK is lazy idiots.
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[10:17:51] <IamTrying> mr_lou, why they hell they changed again the nice JavaFX to there ugly JavaFX 2.0?
[10:18:01] <IamTrying> And its not for Linux available. I hate them always.
[10:19:54] <mr_lou> I never looked into JavaFX, and I hadn't even heard t here was as JavaFX 2.0
[10:19:57] <mr_lou> What's the difference?
[10:20:51] <IamTrying> mr_lou, you build rapid GUI and patch to Java. Nice tool for mobiles too.
[10:21:12] <IamTrying> Kind of Flash (outlook) and backedn (java)
[10:21:59] <mr_lou> Sounds like HTML5
[10:22:16] <IamTrying> mr_lou, did you used RealBasic ? Visual Basic 6.0 and compared the development time with  C++
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[10:22:44] <IamTrying> Well JavaFX was something to speed up the development mr_lou and they killed it again.
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[10:24:15] <IamTrying> RealBasic takes 2 minute to build application and release for production. Where Java/C++ same features gonna take 2 days. JavaFX was a rapid builder but for me its dead because they only allow for Windows now. I hate them. mr_lou
[10:25:27] <IamTrying> Do not think HTML5 is all. I had lot of issues with JMF, i hate java team, they gave up and end up leaving us in the hell. mr_lou
[10:28:19] <IamTrying> Its like dirty advertise. Java is cross platform. Oh wait sorry we do not do JavaFX as crossplatform oh sorry wait we do not do JMF cross platform, oh sorry wait we do not do Browsers for cross platform. Oh wait we lied we are actually not cross platform do it yourself, its your problem. Nice marketing.
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[10:55:35] <mr_lou> IamTrying, I know. They're all lying. Especially Microsoft.
[10:57:51] <mr_lou> IamTrying, They get away with all lies
[10:58:06] <mr_lou> Therefor: Do it yourself
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[11:16:55] <Emperorlou> is there any way I can find out the exact command-line netbeans is using to execute my java application?
[11:17:22] <Emperorlou> I'm having trouble running my app outside of netbeans. It has 64bit/32bit dll execution issues outside, but inside it works just fine....
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[11:20:39] <eross> if latest is 6.9, forgot why i have 7.0 too
[11:21:03] <eross> anyway, how do i change from openjdk to sunjava install libraries?
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[20:53:29] <nikolaj_basher1> Hi! how can I work with Sqlite in netbeans are there someone who have expirence with that?  (I'm working with C++)
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