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[00:02:23] <romulas> Wish more engines use vulkan
[00:02:44] <romulas> I guess in the future it will be more important
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[00:04:21] <rico_linuxman> found the page for update notes: https://manjaro.org/news/
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[00:27:52] <analogical> Firefox isn't kept up to date :[
[00:28:03] <analogical> the Manjaro team is too slow!
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[00:35:04] <JohnML> package manjaro-system fourth version today :-)
[00:35:12] <JohnML> good night
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[00:57:22] <al14s4> Installing mesa-git will remove mesa, vulkan-intel, vulkan-radeon, libva-mesa-driver, mesa-vdpau, will I need to replace these packages or will my system be fine?
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[03:53:48] <al14s4> Installing mesa-git will remove: mesa, vulkan-intel, vulkan-radeon, libva-mesa-driver, mesa-vdpau. Do I need to replace any of the removed packages or will my system be fine?
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[03:59:17] <swift110> hey all
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[05:05:55] <paranox> Hey pals. I'm trying to install Manjaro with i3, but keep getting a basepkgs 255 error about the gtk3-classic target not being found. Am I missing something? I've tried two live cds (one which has worked in the past) with the same result, though I'm guessing the live cd is irrelevant as they'll be pulling the same packages.
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[05:45:23] <dude3> logan are you online?
[05:53:02] <dude3> How's it going?
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[06:06:32] <korealinux> paranox: gtk3-classic was removed from repos, replace with gtk3
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[06:31:57] <rico_linuxman> So, do you miss the classic features?
[06:33:21] <rico_linuxman> zzzz
[06:33:42] <korealinux> i like regular gtk3
[06:34:02] <rico_linuxman> Ok. So this is good news for you.
[06:35:12] <korealinux> gtk3-classic is still in the aur if you want to use it
[06:35:44] <rico_linuxman> Here's a question: I have two almost identical laptops, same make and model. Howcome the kernel choices in the manjaro settings manager are different for each computer. One has kernel versions that are not listed on the other.
[06:36:44] <korealinux> are both systems updated on same branch?
[06:36:55] <rico_linuxman> same branch?
[06:37:46] <korealinux> yes same branch
[06:37:51] <rico_linuxman> What do you mean by "branch"?
[06:37:52] <korealinux> check with `pacman-mirrors -G`
[06:38:11] <korealinux> manjaro has 3 branches, stable, testing, unstable
[06:38:19] <korealinux> new kernels get put in unstable first
[06:38:39] <rico_linuxman> checking...
[06:39:50] <rico_linuxman> Yes, both are on the "stable" branch.
[06:40:14] <korealinux> what is different?
[06:40:38] <korealinux> also are both fully up to date?
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[06:42:27] <paranox> korealinux: I added 'gtk3' as an additional package during installation and removed 'gtk3-classic' and all seemed to go as intended. I'm curious though why gtk3-classic tries to get installed for a vanilla install of manjaro with i3 (as well as some other WMs I tried to install) if it's no longer in the repos. Seems that something is very broken, but there's nothing about it online. Surely I'm not the
[06:42:33] <paranox> first to encounter this issue...
[06:43:24] <korealinux> the kernel gtk3-classic was used by default that is why
[06:43:40] <korealinux> it was removed from repos only recently
[06:44:34] <Velvet> timing of install?
[06:44:38] <korealinux> gtk3-classic was used in xfce 18 and many different flavors
[06:44:38] <paranox> I see. I guess the installer needs updating. No idea how that works, coming from ubuntu land.
[06:44:38] <CountryfiedLinux> Manjaro would be my go to Linux OS, if I didn't get screen flickering/tearing when recording my screen with OBS Studio.
[06:44:55] <CountryfiedLinux> Same issue with all compositing settings.
[06:45:23] <korealinux> there should be new iso's already, i don't know for i3 tho
[06:45:26] <CountryfiedLinux> I didn't have this issue on Arch.
[06:46:34] <korealinux> CountryfiedLinux: still having video issues, did you ever post in forum?
[06:46:51] <paranox> Not for i3. I downloaded the iso earlier today.
[06:46:58] <CountryfiedLinux> korealinux, Yes. I also tried all the compositing settings.
[06:47:18] <rico_linuxman> Yes both are up to date. The one I'm on now offers Linux 4.14.93_rt53-1, but its not listed on the other which only has Linux 4.14.158-1
[06:47:33] <rico_linuxman> Very strange.
[06:47:45] <korealinux> manjaro-i3-18.1.4-191210-linux54.iso ?
[06:48:21] <paranox> korealinux: yes, that's the one
[06:48:54] <paranox> Though, I ended up installing with a manjaro architect iso i also had lying around
[06:48:56] <korealinux> strange that should be using gtk3 i don't know
[06:49:06] <rico_linuxman> What are you saying? That the difference is due to the original .iso I downloaded?
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[06:49:33] <paranox> oh well, at least it's working now - thanks for your help
[06:49:44] <korealinux> rico_linuxman: i am talking to someone else
[06:50:21] <rico_linuxman> Makes no sense to me as both are running 4.19.88-1. Why would they offer different kernal lists?
[06:50:37] <rico_linuxman> oops.
[06:50:41] <korealinux> so one laptop just does not show rt kernels?
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[06:52:03] <rico_linuxman> No it shows Linux 5.2.21_rt14-3 and Linux 4-19-72_rt26-3. Just the 4.14 realtime is missing.
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[06:52:27] <korealinux> there should not be a 4.14 realtime
[06:52:35] <korealinux> are you running 4.14 rt now?
[06:53:06] <rico_linuxman> No I'm running 4.19
[06:53:35] <korealinux> so 4.14 rt is installed on one of your laptops
[06:53:40] <korealinux> that was removed from repos
[06:53:54] <rico_linuxman> On this laptop it shows a 4.14.93_rt53-1
[06:54:53] <rico_linuxman> Yeah its installed. Oh, so you are saying they removed it from the repo after I installed it?
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[06:55:19] <korealinux> yes
[06:55:54] <matty_r> hey all , having an issue with Steam (and only steam) on my Desktop - its downloading super slow
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[06:56:09] <rico_linuxman> Ah. Makes perfect sense. Seems obious now. But I didn't know they were in the habit of pulling and pushing kernels out with such rapidity !
[06:56:38] <rico_linuxman> *obvious
[06:56:43] <matty_r> everything else on the network downloads fine, and even downloading through browser or another ssd is fine as well
[06:56:58] <matty_r> it seems to be solely isolated to Steam downloads
[06:57:07] <matty_r> just on my Desktop
[06:57:26] <korealinux> it might have been eol
[06:57:34] <rico_linuxman> matty have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling steam?
[06:58:08] <matty_r> rico_linuxman: it did it on a previous install as well
[06:58:24] <matty_r> ill try downloading from the arch repo instead
[06:58:38] <rico_linuxman> Your computer is up to date, and you have your firewall on?
[06:59:31] <matty_r> yea just updated. not sure about the firewall
[06:59:49] <matty_r> is there one knstalled by default?
[06:59:51] <rico_linuxman> I find downloads are much smoother with the firewall on. With it off they sometimes get stuck. Probably from someone pinging the daylights out of my ports.
[07:00:12] <rico_linuxman> The best one is gufw. Its dead simple to use.
[07:00:53] <matty_r> my router hss a firewall and ni other device or application is affected
[07:01:01] <matty_r> so i doubt thats it
[07:01:51] <korealinux> well... 4.14 is LTS, it's not eol, it's the maintainer whoever does the lts kernels that stopped updating it
[07:02:03] <korealinux> i'm not exactly sure how that works
[07:02:30] <rico_linuxman> just type in "firewall config" and download the one with the shield icon. Switch it on and you are rollin.
[07:03:12] <rico_linuxman> type it into the sad/remove software app "firewall config"
[07:03:28] <rico_linuxman> *add/remove
[07:04:10] <korealinux> i mean whoever maintains the realtime kernels, not lts
[07:04:20] <matty_r> nah, adding a firewall will just complicate things
[07:04:36] <rico_linuxman> maybe try 4.19 lts?
[07:05:23] <rico_linuxman> Thats what I'm running now. Had no issues with steam.
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[07:13:48] <rico_linuxman> Was it hard to open beer bottles with your claws?
[07:20:11] <Spookan> Noob question ;) How do i see wich Manjaro version i have?
[07:20:57] <olegb> Spookan: lsb_release -a
[07:21:47] <Spookan> Ah thanks!
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[07:33:29] <dylhack> Anyone here use the Awesome Manjaro edition?
[07:34:08] * gehidore doesn't
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[07:36:31] <dylhack> :/ dang
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[08:39:03] <service_error> Hello, I'm trying to connect windows SMB share folder from Manjaro, but can't connect to it. It's not even asking for username and password. Can someone please assist me on this?
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[09:07:58] <service_error> hello anyone here?
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[10:01:56] <rico_linuxman> https://www.howtogeek.com/176471/how-to-share-files-between-windows-and-linux/
[10:02:14] <rico_linuxman> might be useful?
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[10:15:13] <BeerLover> The issue in broader sense is that I am using NetworkManager and it generates my /etc/resolv.conf. I also use nordvpn-bin from aur. So when I connect nordvpn, it changes /etc/resolv.conf and edits iptables rules. It says it's connected but i can't access the internet. Now when I disconnect nordvpn, it hangs as there's not internet, so it doesn't revert back the settings (/etc/reslv.conf and iptables rules).
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[10:32:30] <service_error> @rico_linuxman thank you brother
[10:32:52] <service_error> I also found https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Mounting_a_Windows_Share_in_Linux to be useful as well
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[12:21:15] <BeerLover> How can I restore the networking back to the default configuration (same as when I installed the system)
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[12:47:54] <vovogod> привет всем!!!
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[20:24:45] <Velvet> is there something to make the window edge grab easier ?
[20:25:01] <Velvet> i fiddle with that waaaaay too much
[20:25:10] <Velvet> its...bothersome
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[20:39:03] <CountryfiedLinux> Velvet, I find it irritating that clicking the upper right corner doesn't close on pretty much anything Linux now days.
[20:39:20] <CountryfiedLinux> It bypasses that X.
[20:39:33] <Velvet> weird...i'e not experienced tht
[20:40:42] <CountryfiedLinux> Velvet, Maximize a window, move the pointer to the far upper right edge of the screen, and watch it bypass the close button.
[20:41:03] <Velvet> works fine
[20:41:12] <CountryfiedLinux> Of course it depends on the theme, or even the app's implementation of the theme, but it's an issue that happens way more often than not.
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[20:54:54] <Velvet> it was a bit delayed
[20:55:28] <Velvet> maybe the way the "quit" is implemented changed?
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[21:22:42] <bomex> hi
[21:23:52] <bomex> I'm an ex-Ubuntu enthusiast and have recently fell in love with Manjaro
[21:24:15] <bomex> I have one question, though
[21:24:52] <bomex> when is Manjaro 18.1.4 final version coming out?
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[21:27:23] <gschanuel> hello there :)
[21:27:44] <gschanuel> i had to format my work computer and forgot to enable ssh (duh!)
[21:28:11] <gschanuel> now I away and can't connect to it. BUT port 1716 is open.. is this kde connect?
[21:28:45] <bomex> yes
[21:28:45] <gschanuel> is there a way I can pair with it via my works vpn?
[21:28:53] <bomex> yes
[21:29:03] <gschanuel> without further configuration?
[21:29:23] <bomex> yes
[21:30:13] <gschanuel> niiiice.. gonna try
[21:30:31] <bomex> okay :)
[21:32:23] <gschanuel> s/without further configuration/without interaction on the pc side
[21:32:45] <gschanuel> it timed out.. maybe firewall.. lemme check
[21:32:59] <bomex> ping it first
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[21:35:22] <gschanuel> it is pinging.. but i'm behing paloalto there.. so there is probably some deny rule ^^
[21:35:35] <bomex> probably yeah
[21:36:04] <bomex> you should then allow this in the firewall to pass through
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[21:36:21] <vfbsilva> can I somehow cache my yaourt downloads?
[21:36:34] <bomex> in the work VPN that is
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[21:36:59] <bomex> there's no other way
[21:37:56] <bomex> vfbsilva: nope, you can't
[21:39:08] <gschanuel> hum.. no, it's passing through.. the only thing denied is some vpro stuff..
[21:39:24] <gschanuel> will I need to confirm something on the pc end?
[21:39:28] <bomex> which is set up in the work VPN probably
[21:39:46] <vfbsilva> bomex: so assuming the build did fail do I need to re-download it always?
[21:40:26] <bomex> vfbsilva: if the distro does not offer caching by default, then you can't implement caching on your own
[21:40:56] <bomex> vfbsilva: so yes, re-download is always done automatically if there's no caching involved
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[21:46:19] <gschanuel> bomex, hum.. do I need to open 1716 on my home network too?
[21:46:19] <gschanuel> PaloAlto shows tcp-rst-from-client with work_pc as src and home_cel as dst
[21:46:36] <gschanuel> but everything is allowed on work side
[21:47:22] <gschanuel> src: home, dst: work => aged out
[21:47:22] <gschanuel> src: work, dst: home => tcp-rst-from-client
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[21:47:45] <gschanuel> going yo RTFM
[21:47:50] <gschanuel> s/yo/to
[21:48:23] <bomex> open 1716 on home network
[21:48:43] <bomex> if the tunnel is closed on one end, the connection c<n't be made
[21:49:04] <bomex> *can't
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[21:49:46] <gschanuel> "The other device will show a prompt asking to accept the pairing request. Confirm it and that's it!"
[21:49:56] <gschanuel> I can't answer the prompt :(
[21:50:30] <gschanuel> it should probably work if it was already paired at least once, am i right?
[21:50:53] <gschanuel> but if never paired before I must accept the prompt on work pc
[21:53:54] <gschanuel> the real question is: Can I pair a device for the first time via kdeconnect without interaction on PC side?
[21:54:21] <Velvet> I think?
[21:54:29] <Velvet> Works well btw
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[22:09:07] <gschanuel> the prompt must be answered
[22:09:17] <gschanuel> :(
[22:09:27] <gschanuel> that's why it's timing out
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[22:15:26] <gschanuel> it would be so cool if it worked out of the box, just with username & password
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[22:15:50] <gschanuel> it would be so nice if sshd was enabled by default :(
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[22:17:00] <Velvet> :(
[22:17:37] <Velvet> You have the phone app installed right?
[22:17:44] <Velvet> And open?
[22:18:04] <Velvet> and on pc?
[22:18:20] <Velvet> mine was flawless :/
[22:18:38] <Velvet> great app
[22:18:39] <gschanuel> Velvet without any interaction on pc?
[22:18:49] <gschanuel> i mean, no prompt had to be accepted?
[22:19:18] <gschanuel> i tried it on my notebook (archlinux) and I had to accept the prompt before it pairs
[22:19:34] <Velvet> i don't recall sorry... I'm using this on a personal device.... didn't think about it
[22:19:37] <gschanuel> after acceptance, everything worked fine on the notebook
[22:19:49] <gschanuel> but had to accept it first
[22:21:24] <Velvet> Sounds right
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