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[06:25:47] <INeedAHandle> so I'm new to Manjaro and I've noticed a big slowdown in application updates...I go to the website and see that FireFox 71 is supposed to be in the mainline repo, but I don't see it. what am I doing wrong if anything?
[06:26:06] <INeedAHandle> it's not so much that I want that particular update (but I do), but I'm curious if there's something else I need to update first
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[06:29:49] <INeedAHandle> if I go here and drill down it doesn't appear to actually be uploaded to any of the repos: https://repo.manjaro.org/
[06:29:58] <INeedAHandle> does that typically take a week or more?
[06:31:23] <INeedAHandle> and in fact it looks like it's in testing....so maybe I'm reading that wrong
[06:32:37] <korealinux> you can switch to testing branch if you want more frequent updates
[06:33:23] <korealinux> stable only updates every few weeks now
[06:33:44] <INeedAHandle> yea ignore me I'm reading up on it now
[06:33:49] <INeedAHandle> also hi from Korea too
[06:35:13] <korealinux> there was python rebuilds and systemd issues currently in testing
[06:35:59] <korealinux> hello
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[06:44:25] <korealinux> you can also update individual packages from any branch with pacman -U
[06:44:37] <korealinux> like this
[06:44:38] <korealinux> sudo pacman -U https://manjaro.moson.eu/unstable/extra/x86_64/firefox-71.0-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
[06:49:06] <INeedAHandle> oh wow, don't even have to download it; didn't know that part
[06:50:14] <INeedAHandle> and by the way, I love Manjaro after a couple of months of use. I've typically only been on debian-based distros and never on the desktop really, but now my daily driver is Manjaro + Cinnamon and I've had zero issues; better than I can say for Ubuntu + anything
[06:51:10] <korealinux> great!
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[07:12:48] <Bollsaq> Only issue I have is screen flickering/tearing when recording with OBS.
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[10:23:49] <ishw0r> hi folks
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[10:47:41] <rhode> hi ishw0r
[10:48:17] <Spookan> Good morning guys!
[10:49:41] <rhode> Hey Spookan
[10:50:04] <Spookan> Hey :P Hows it going?
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[11:36:34] <Spookan> I get some weird bugs when i right click a file, the menu like jumps and glitches, any of you have the same issue? Im on XFCE..
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[12:10:51] <JohnML> strange: for Manjaro XFCE stable no updates since [2019-11-23T16:14:19+0100] ... -> Forum??
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[12:11:35] <JohnML> ... first have a walk!
[12:15:11] <Spookan> Seems to be something with updating the prewiev of the files..
[12:15:24] <Spookan> Maybe i can turn that off..
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[12:39:59] <mparillo> JohnML: I just got an indicator that an update is available.
[12:42:31] <mparillo> The announcement has not yet been posted to the forums, and your repo might not have synchronized yet. Try: https://repo.manjaro.org/ and be sure to use your browser
[12:43:02] <mparillo> refresh button as both Chromium and Falkon seem to aggressively cache that page.
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[12:44:19] <mparillo> And with an update that big (436 packages for me), I recommend using a TTY (not your konsole or similar, let alone a GUI package manager).
[12:45:48] <mparillo> Based on what I have been seeing in the testing branch, I expect a systemd upgrade, which is the only type that ever gave me a problem in Manjaro. But as I said, I am waiting on the update announcement in the forum before I pull the trigger.
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[14:23:15] <BeerLover> I updated manjaro today, and now i have no internet
[14:23:43] <BeerLover> any steps to figure out what to do?
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[14:31:58] <rhode> How "normal" is it, as a generic user of Manjaro is it to not have to rely on the AUR
[14:32:11] <rhode> ...only using the official package repo's?
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[14:44:07] <Basiktut> Hello guys Anyone received update?
[14:45:32] <korealinux> yes stable updated https://lists.manjaro.org/pipermail/manjaro-packages/Week-of-Mon-20191209/025947.html
[14:45:37] <korealinux> don't panic
[14:46:20] <korealinux> systemd only had minor update, it is still version 242
[14:46:39] <korealinux> some people had problems with 243
[14:47:10] <Basiktut> thanks man. I didn't find it on forums or twitter. Its a big one for me BTW
[14:47:38] <korealinux> good luck!
[14:47:48] <korealinux> jk
[14:48:43] <Basiktut> Thanks man :)
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[14:51:25] <henk717> I am trying to use the linux-latest metapackage to automatically update the kernels, i notice this does not remove the old kernel because these kernels never get orphaned as they have other modules depending on them. Is there way to remove all kernels that aren't currently mentioned in linux-lts / linux-latest?
[14:51:52] <henk717> I forgot to mention, i am trying to automate this by script so the regular GUI remove way is not suitable for what i wish to accomplish
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[14:56:19] <korealinux> but multiple kernels is a manjaro feature..
[14:57:21] <korealinux> non-lts kernels will become orphans eventually it doens't happen right away
[14:57:47] <korealinux> until upstream stops updating them
[14:58:22] <henk717> Even if it has dependencies like linux53-bbswitch?
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[14:59:22] <korealinux> all related packages for that kernel gets orphaned so yes
[14:59:35] <korealinux> or gets removed from repos
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[15:00:42] <henk717> Is there a way i can test this with an older kernel? I basically need to know if my automatic clean-up script will remove the old ones to prevent bloat from the automatic update
[15:01:35] <korealinux> not automatically removing eol kernels for linux-latest was a decision because latest kernels obviously still have issues a lot of times
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[15:02:46] <korealinux> the choice was left to the user how many backups they want
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[15:03:55] <BeerLover> Don't update
[15:03:57] <BeerLover> PLEASE
[15:04:06] <BeerLover> I updated and network isn't working
[15:05:00] <henk717> I understand the decision, in my script i try to automatically keep the system up to date and automatically install the latest kernels (Which works) so while i understand why using the normal workflow this may be undesirable i am failing to set this up for myself trough a script
[15:05:51] <korealinux> BeerLover: you should post your problem in forum
[15:05:56] <henk717> So i need some way of it not having a year full of EOL kernels i can rely upon
[15:11:39] <henk717> Nevermind i think i got my own answer looking at the code, linux-latest causes a conflict with any EOL package so i don't need to clean them up
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[15:18:11] <korealinux> oh eol kernels was automated
[15:18:48] <korealinux> even if you are not using linux-latest, if you are running eol kernel and it gets dropped from regpos, you will be asked to install linux-latest
[15:20:43] <korealinux> there were users who did not like this
[15:21:21] <korealinux> who can you please? nobody
[15:23:10] <henk717> For me it actually works in my favor, because it will eliminate the kernel bloat by only keeping useful kernels
[15:23:23] <henk717> Regular kernels EOL relatively quick
[15:23:38] <henk717> And i agree that the ones that have not EOL'd yet are a useful fallback
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[15:29:02] <JohnML> updated more than 500 Packages with pamac, rebooted, seems ok :-)
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[15:31:31] <henk717> My update on the laptop went reasonably smooth as well, primus_vk had conflicts but removing, updating and then installing it back did the trick
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[15:35:13] <JohnML> Just thinking of: NO XFCE working, but i have timeshift backups. is it possible to use timeshift without X? Google ...
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[15:45:50] <JohnML> Answer out of the timeshift manual:"If the main system is not bootable, then it is possible to boot from an Ubuntu Live CD, install Timeshift on the live system, and restore a snapshot on the main system."
[15:47:01] <JohnML> .. or i use my Clonezilla ... safed me often!!!
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[16:17:02] <JohnML> thats a show stopper, NO thunderbird: "XPCOMGlueLoad error for file /usr/lib/thunderbird/libxul.so:
[16:17:02] <JohnML> libicui18n.so.64: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:17:02] <JohnML> Couldn't load XPCOM.
[16:17:02] <JohnML> "
[16:17:56] <JohnML> i think i revert todays update!!
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[16:30:54] <JohnML> because of an thunderbird extension i put thunderbird on hold. That caused XPCOM issue. Now with thunderbird 68 its ok again. Looking for tnunderbird Minimize to tray!!
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[17:23:25] <Spookan> So i got 430 updates and can't do any it just says package error then back to install??
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[19:35:00] <JohnML> Spookan, try to install using yay -Suyy If you don't have yay then first pamac install yay
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[20:04:32] <Spookan> JohnML: Hello! I solved it with pacman. Thanks anyway..
[20:06:17] <Velvet> big update o.o
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[20:26:21] <Spookan> Velvet: Yeah hehe.
[20:26:43] <Spookan> But i love the OS very stable and nice to work in..
[20:27:15] <Velvet> its amazing tbh...now that i can identify what quirks my system has
[20:27:22] <Velvet> i love it
[20:27:28] <Velvet> best distro ever
[20:28:35] <Velvet> my update was like 724 packages or something o.o
[20:28:44] <Velvet> no 737
[20:28:50] <Spookan> Oh hehe ;)
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[22:29:07] <Bylu> Hey! After the latest update my PC has issues starting, I don't even get a tty. Anyone had simmilar issues?
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[22:30:48] <Bylu> Update: soehow I have a tty but X is not starting (blinking underscore and that's it)
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[23:41:50] <rico_linuxman> Hi, does anyone know what was in the latest manjaro update? No description was included that I could see.
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[23:43:05] <meskarune> there should be a changelog somewhere
[23:43:26] <rico_linuxman> Yeah, there usually is but didn't see one. I'll check again.
[23:45:32] <rico_linuxman> found this on manjaro.org :
[23:45:38] <rico_linuxman> .Changelog: an optional file kept by the package maintainer documenting the changes of the package. (It is not present in all packages.)
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