July 29, 2016 
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July 29, 2016 [00:01:23] *** Tjong <Tjong!~Tjong@p3E9EB9A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:03:34] <printersetup> well that sucks[00:04:33] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:05:49] *** scott_00_ <scott_00_!~scott@CPE-123-211-228-166.lnse4.woo.bigpond.net.au> has joined #manjaro[00:06:06] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-187-108.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[00:07:09] *** ringo_manjaro is now known as ringo32[00:07:29] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[00:10:53] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[00:10:58] <ringo32> i hate Virtualbox now :p[00:10:59] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[00:11:13] <linux_dream> why ringo32[00:11:18] <linux_dream> why?????!!!!!!!!![00:11:23] <ringo32> QT5 junk :p[00:11:31] <linux_dream> virtualbox made me meet antergos[00:11:42] * ringo32 gnome-box[00:11:43] <ringo32> lol[00:12:14] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[00:12:15] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[00:12:21] <linux_dream> i tried qemu with kvm[00:12:26] <linux_dream> but too slow[00:12:31] <linux_dream> virtualbox no problem[00:13:35] <ringo32> try to stick on my believe , try less possible qt5[00:13:37] <ringo32> :)[00:15:35] <linux_dream> i am not racist against qt5[00:15:48] <linux_dream> for me, latest package = better package[00:16:13] <linux_dream> if qt6 is released next week i want to be the 1st to jump on it[00:16:44] <ringo32> i am no racist :p[00:16:47] *** printersetup <printersetup!05fe41ae@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.5.254.65.174> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[00:16:53] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:17:45] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[00:18:21] <linux_dream> ringo32,[00:18:33] <linux_dream> i found a thread on reddit from yesterday about antergos and arch differences[00:18:43] <linux_dream> antergos installs packages in a different path than arch by default[00:18:48] <linux_dream> big diff[00:19:15] <linux_dream> check this out ringo32 https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4uzev2/antergos_arch_help_the_antergos_community/[00:20:11] <linux_dream> https://github.com/Antergos/antergos-packages/blob/master/zfs/PKGBUILD#L56-L66 and https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=zfs-linux-git#n33[00:20:30] <linux_dream> you told me antergos was arch ^^[00:20:37] <linux_dream> i thought antergos was arch + installer[00:20:42] <linux_dream> but no[00:21:15] <ringo32> its still uses arch repo[00:22:46] <linux_dream> im not sure . what is that https://github.com/Antergos/antergos-packages[00:23:18] *** icehiro <icehiro!~icehiro@119.82.244.38> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:23:47] <ringo32> antergos you can say its arch installer but having a own repo is for the distro side job.. is not like manjaro also, Manjaro is a arch fork[00:24:23] <ringo32> aaand as arch got an issue, antergos get also that issue...[00:24:33] <linux_dream> but not manjaro?[00:25:39] <ringo32> i dont know it is posisble but on lesser computers, mostly after 3days could be fixed from arch , manjaro buffer those generally in unstable, but last update they had buffered in testing[00:25:51] <ringo32> so stable updates during longer then usual[00:28:02] <linux_dream> ok[00:29:26] <ringo32> depend also how u used your pc i guess[00:39:12] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@216-197-139-19.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:39:13] *** manjaroi3_ <manjaroi3_!~manjaro-i@216-197-139-19.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:43:57] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@p2003008644413701256413B8B1F98729.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[00:44:20] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@p2003008644413701256413B8B1F98729.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:47:42] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[00:48:11] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[00:49:31] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:58:02] *** Mate-user1512 <Mate-user1512!~manjaro-m@2a02:c7d:2be9:fd00:58a8:fffa:c558:4541> has joined #manjaro[00:58:29] *** w30 <w30!~Dubal@2601:245:8100:2347:28b8:b2d4:c62e:3f87> has joined #manjaro[00:59:17] *** Mate-user1512 <Mate-user1512!~manjaro-m@2a02:c7d:2be9:fd00:58a8:fffa:c558:4541> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:01:04] *** scott_00_ <scott_00_!~scott@CPE-123-211-228-166.lnse4.woo.bigpond.net.au> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:01:53] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.62> has joined #manjaro[01:04:52] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@46.166.190.143> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:05:50] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-654-1-421-134.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:06:04] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:06:15] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in)[01:06:38] *** icehiro <icehiro!~icehiro@119.82.244.38> has joined #manjaro[01:07:42] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@HS196-236-111.nt.net> has joined #manjaro[01:08:00] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[01:08:04] *** LebowskiIsNotThe <LebowskiIsNotThe!~manjaro-i@83.125.126.100> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:09:04] *** ringo_manjaro is now known as ringo_gos[01:09:06] *** ringo_gos is now known as ringos[01:09:56] <ringos> hej dodgejcr shariebeth whatever :p here is[01:10:09] <shariebeth> hi ringos[01:10:14] <dodgejcr> oy[01:10:25] <ringos> all ok here :p[01:10:31] <dodgejcr> nope...[01:10:43] <ringos> work ?[01:10:55] <dodgejcr> https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6UBpHgaXFDNAuttm/giphy.gif[01:11:04] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[01:11:08] <dodgejcr> general state of #manjaro at any point in time[01:11:13] <dodgejcr> :D[01:11:30] <ringos> mm my cup is empty :)[01:11:35] <dodgejcr> lol[01:11:43] <AleSiS> lol[01:11:50] <AleSiS> hi manjaro[01:12:07] <dodgejcr> Im sort of upset. My server had to reboot today. No damage but my 713day uptime is gone :([01:12:11] <ringos> i changed my nick :lol[01:12:29] <ringos> i hope my dhcp break is fixed with my Pi[01:12:34] <ringos> i running znc for moment[01:12:38] <dodgejcr> znc on the pi?[01:12:47] <ringos> yeah?[01:13:05] <dodgejcr> nice, I still havent moved this znc session over[01:13:07] <ringos> i configured badly have to make it better with systemd :p[01:13:13] <dodgejcr> its running on one of the manjaro-arm mirrors :D[01:13:31] <ringos> this is just an alarm =p reinstalled few days agoo[01:14:03] <dodgejcr> yeah yeah. Strit got a fully working build server for manjaro-arm now[01:14:19] <dodgejcr> triggered by commit on github, builds, signs, and uploads packages[01:14:23] <dodgejcr> its amazing[01:14:52] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[01:15:34] <ringos> my network always breaks connection on irc, why i dont know :) somehow dhcpcd[01:16:01] <dodgejcr> how often does it break connection?[01:16:24] <ringos> hard to tell[01:16:45] <ringos> but is dhcpcd related , added noarp on dhcpcd.conf seems to work here[01:16:57] <ringos> i have it on cable & wifi[01:16:59] <ringos> lol[01:19:00] <dodgejcr> wonder if it is something on the router[01:19:20] <dodgejcr> some security feature to kill off persistent connections after a set time[01:19:40] <ringos> noarp works nice i experienced ir[01:19:41] <ringos> it[01:19:51] <ringos> it works like no herpes[01:19:52] <ringos> :)[01:20:50] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2a02:908:1469:ae80:825f:7f17:107c:ec83> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:22:49] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:24:12] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #manjaro[01:30:54] *** Spec-Chum <Spec-Chum!~Russ@host86-145-189-236.range86-145.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:31:33] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:32:55] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p5B28CBC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[01:35:52] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:36:56] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.62> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:37:32] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:43:01] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:43:34] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[01:54:58] *** wiglet <wiglet!~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:55:34] *** wiglet <wiglet!~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums> has joined #manjaro[02:02:26] *** manots1 <manots1!~manots@96-35-157-219.static.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[02:08:17] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:10:38] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[02:22:18] *** knutz <knutz!~manjaro-k@87-60-38-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:30:53] *** Pablo__ <Pablo__!~Pablo@201.22.53.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #manjaro[02:35:31] *** manots1 <manots1!~manots@96-35-157-219.static.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:37:03] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@bex159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[02:39:30] *** DerEnderKeks <DerEnderKeks!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:40:05] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@bex159.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:42:40] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@95-27-16-221.broadband.corbina.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[02:44:21] *** jay123 <jay123!6020005d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.32.0.93> has joined #manjaro[02:45:20] <jay123> So, I have a question. I currently have a dual boot with windows and manjaro. I would like to add a 3rd OS which will be a linux based distro aswell. Will I need to make a swap for the other linux of will they share the swap?[02:46:17] *** icehiro <icehiro!~icehiro@119.82.244.38> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[02:46:20] <linux-user-rn> I don't think so unless you are hibernating and switching os.[02:46:24] *** DerEnderKeks <DerEnderKeks!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has joined #manjaro[02:46:37] <jay123> Yeah, I will be only using 1 at a ime.[02:46:43] <jay123> time*[02:47:22] <linux-user-rn> I do the same thing with ubuntu and manjaro, so far I havent had a problem.[02:48:03] <linux_dream> jarco, they will share the same swap partition without problem[02:48:09] <linux_dream> jay123,[02:48:09] <dodgejcr> no, dont need a seperate swap^^^[02:48:33] <jay123> Yeah, I was going to do ubuntu and manjaro aswell and then windows because my work requires windows OS.[02:50:23] <jay123> and does anyone know the command to add a os drive to the grub menu I forget it.[02:50:25] *** DerEnderKeks <DerEnderKeks!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[02:51:01] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@14-202-40-12.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[02:51:01] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@14-202-40-12.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:51:01] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has joined #manjaro[02:51:11] *** DerEnderKeks <DerEnderKeks!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has joined #manjaro[02:52:01] <linux-user-rn> I think it is grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg[02:52:53] <jay123> yeah, thank you. I was not able to rember it since it has been a while since I have changed the os on my pc[02:54:41] <jay123> well lll finish up the install since the dvd is ready and let you know if it works. Thanks everyone.[02:55:01] <w30> jay123, os-prober will repopulate newly installed os's then update grub[02:55:40] <jay123> okay. Ill try it and if it does not work or there is an issue ill let you know.[02:57:05] *** linux-user-rn <linux-user-rn!~linux-use@72.15.26.234> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:57:10] <w30> jay123, that is run update-grub as a command after os-prober[02:57:35] <jay123> Yep, thanks[02:59:50] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2601:342:8200:384c:889a:f8b:d146:cd71> has joined #manjaro[02:59:54] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2601:342:8200:384c:889a:f8b:d146:cd71> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:00:48] <jay123> What DE do you use for manjaro?[03:01:35] * w30 uses xfce4[03:02:37] <jay123> I like KDE. I tried xfce but switched back to KDE.[03:03:48] <w30> jay123, then compiz cube when there is windows user looking over my shoulder[03:05:08] <jay123> XD, Most of my family uses OS X.[03:05:36] <jay123> So they are just confused even more when I tell them I use linux because they never knew it existed.[03:07:04] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@user-36c5b4e.cable.mindspring.com> has joined #manjaro[03:17:49] *** kehn <kehn!73a433d2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.164.51.210> has joined #manjaro[03:18:50] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@177.128.4.92> has joined #manjaro[03:19:24] <kehn> Is this a support group?[03:25:18] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[03:35:02] <jay123> Install went well the the comands you gave me worked. Thanks.[03:37:24] *** jay123 <jay123!6020005d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.32.0.93> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:43:27] *** skutt <skutt!53e982ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.233.130.171> has joined #manjaro[03:44:12] *** Iron0xid_ <Iron0xid_!~Iron0xid@p5082E36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[03:44:52] *** skutt <skutt!53e982ab@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.83.233.130.171> has left #manjaro[03:45:52] *** kehn <kehn!73a433d2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.115.164.51.210> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:47:13] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p5B28CBC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:57:04] *** Matombo444 <Matombo444!~Matombo@p57A3F503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[04:00:46] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3ED82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:00:46] *** johnc4510_ <johnc4510_!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:06:37] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@189.35.111.23> has joined #manjaro[04:10:43] *** Iron0xid_ <Iron0xid_!~Iron0xid@p5082E36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[04:11:21] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@189.35.111.23> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:18:18] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@177.128.4.92> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:26:57] *** w30 <w30!~Dubal@2601:245:8100:2347:28b8:b2d4:c62e:3f87> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[04:27:41] *** chewzerita <chewzerita!~chewzerit@162.217.34.230> has joined #manjaro[04:28:59] *** chewzerita <chewzerita!~chewzerit@162.217.34.230> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:32:18] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:36:46] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:47:07] *** infinital <infinital!uid144856@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fksldbimbbpybuim> has joined #manjaro[04:51:10] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[04:55:00] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@162-239-44-6.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has joined #manjaro[05:04:43] *** ratamas <ratamas!~ratamas@197.28.65.25> has joined #manjaro[05:08:36] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@179.33.205.81> has joined #manjaro[05:08:51] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@179.33.205.81> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:12:34] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[05:13:22] *** jay123 <jay123!6020005d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.32.0.93> has joined #manjaro[05:14:06] <jay123> I'm thinking of changing my kernal to the newer version 4.6.4-1. Good or bad idea?[05:15:39] <jay123> I have been using it on my arch system and not had an issues.[05:15:52] <jay123> Im just not shure how manjaro will handle it.[05:21:04] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@162-239-44-6.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:22:50] <dodgejcr> you should be fine jay123[05:23:39] <dodgejcr> most kernel changes affect very specific things. If that kernel is working on arch using the same hardware, there is about a 99% chance that it will work on manjaro as well[05:23:50] <dodgejcr> Manjaro doesnt change too much of the kernel[05:25:05] <jay123> Okay, thank you.[05:28:09] <dodgejcr> but if not, it should be easy enough to go back[05:29:06] <jay123> yeah, this has almost the same as my other system. just no gpu in this one.[05:31:08] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@97-81-170-215.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[05:31:08] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@97-81-170-215.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:31:08] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has joined #manjaro[05:31:31] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy[05:31:37] *** CountryfiedLinux is now known as jaroman[05:31:40] <jaroman> hey hey hey :P[05:31:47] <jay123> hi[05:35:07] *** ratamas <ratamas!~ratamas@197.28.65.25> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:35:38] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:35:45] *** superbia1 <superbia1!~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia> has joined #manjaro[05:36:25] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[05:37:13] *** scott_00_ <scott_00_!~scott@CPE-123-211-228-166.lnse4.woo.bigpond.net.au> has joined #manjaro[05:38:35] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[05:42:55] *** jay123 <jay123!6020005d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.96.32.0.93> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Go past this. Pass this part. In fact, never play this again.)[08:32:54] *** Softeisbieger <Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@ip-62-143-13-166.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #manjaro[08:44:55] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-216-191-030.094.216.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[08:45:55] <bugzbunny> hllo[08:46:26] <ringos> hi[08:46:33] <bugzbunny> :)[08:46:46] <ringos> lol[08:46:59] * bugzbunny is stressing over computer work[08:52:53] <ringos> lol[08:52:58] <ringos> it cant[08:53:50] <bugzbunny> I stress out when I am doing new things that I don't know, such as Ansible. I am already getting an headache reading documentation :-p[08:55:22] * ringos hates reading[08:55:23] <ringos> :)[08:58:24] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:59:02] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[09:06:13] *** tumbler <tumbler!~tumbler@unaffiliated/tumbler> has joined #manjaro[09:09:30] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[09:09:54] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agke157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[09:10:30] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:15:58] <ringos> bugzbunny, then your name is now buggedbunny :)[09:18:30] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[09:23:52] <mike-zal> Does someone here has an idea about good linux gaming laptop for 1200-1500 dollars? And I mean some more mainstream models, because system76 and other specialized companies rather don't ship to my country or it may be troublesome (also with service)[09:24:14] <bugzbunny> ringos: xD[09:24:21] <superbia1> i would get a nuc skull canyon for that money[09:24:34] <mike-zal> ok, googling[09:25:33] <mike-zal> uh, won't take it too bed but it looks interesting[09:27:10] <superbia1> laptop and gaming is a nono[09:27:24] <superbia1> unless you play like indie games, in that case any i7 proc will do[09:27:32] <superbia1> imo get something you have local-store and warranty[09:27:43] <superbia1> and you know you can replace/get new if it fails within warranty[09:27:45] <mike-zal> however PCs that you build yourself can have better cpu models (like with 8 cores, 16 threads...)[09:27:56] <superbia1> either if its an asus/dell/lenovo[09:28:34] <bugzbunny> laptop and gaming is a nono, oO[09:28:37] <mike-zal> I don't have big gaming requirements. I ususally play oldchoold rpg games (sparesly, because of lack of time) but I would like to run witcher 3 on it[09:28:40] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[09:28:50] <mike-zal> and that game needs some juise[09:28:57] <mike-zal> juice[09:29:01] <superbia1> gaming laptop == huge size[09:29:11] <bugzbunny> obviously :)[09:29:18] <superbia1> and size matters, so just get a itx or matx pc[09:29:36] <mike-zal> yeah, often bad designs, short batter lifes :([09:29:49] <superbia1> for 1500 you wont get a high gaming laptop[09:29:51] <superbia1> just entry model[09:30:40] <mike-zal> true. but like I said, I can play most of my titles even on my current few years old much cheaper laptop. only witcher 3 is more high-end requirement[09:31:04] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:31:32] <mike-zal> besides, if I want to buy some better laptops, in that price rande you can see only gaming ones[09:31:36] * superbia1 is listening to Chopin - Nocturne in Fis-Dur Op.15 Nr.2 ::: http://stream2137.init7.net:80/ ::: 12:00/?:?? @ 128kbps[09:31:53] <superbia1> nice tops for me[09:31:55] <superbia1> x260[09:32:06] <superbia1> xps 13 inch[09:32:17] <superbia1> macbook pro 13[09:32:23] <superbia1> those are not gaming[09:32:27] <superbia1> but the quality is there[09:32:32] *** superbia1 is now known as superbia[09:32:50] <superbia> mike-zal: what is your internet connection?[09:33:43] <mike-zal> for me: 17 inch, i7, 16GB ram, at least nvidia 960 (possibly better), matt IPS screen and some huge disc space (at least 960 ssd or at least 256 SSD + 1TB HDD)[09:33:56] <ringos> mike-zal,[09:33:58] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has joined #manjaro[09:34:04] <ringos> PSP rules for gaming :)[09:34:05] <superbia> for you => better internet + streaming games from amazon servers[09:34:05] <mike-zal> also 4800 battery would be preferable then 3200 one[09:34:08] <ringos> Pokemon GO[09:34:10] <ringos> :)[09:34:10] <superbia> ringos: i had PSP[09:34:15] <superbia> ringos: it was very good[09:34:18] <mike-zal> not interested in consoles or pokemon[09:34:33] <bugzbunny> xD @ Pokemon GO[09:34:41] <ringos> consoles are always better for gaming[09:34:43] * bugzbunny throws Pokemon GO into the thrash[09:34:54] * bugzbunny and takes a dump :-p[09:34:55] <ringos> bugzbunny, you like geocache?[09:35:04] <bugzbunny> Never heard of Geocache :/[09:35:10] <mike-zal> I need equipment that is more universal. will hanle most not so new games, lot of storage for movies, music and stuff, also lot of windows opened during work[09:35:14] <superbia> mike-zal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8htu_Bxpo[09:35:34] <ringos> https://www.geocaching.com/play bugzbunny[09:36:37] <superbia> ringos: i want to kill geochachers[09:36:43] <bugzbunny> lol @ superbia[09:36:58] <bugzbunny> ringos: Interesting but that game would probably get me killed where I live[09:37:06] * ringos put superbia in the box , hide it and bugzbunny must find the box[09:37:14] <bugzbunny> :)[09:37:27] <mike-zal> thanks superbia, will watch it, but I want something simpler. just universal laptop that will handle occasional gaming.[09:38:18] <superbia> https://alpha.wallhaven.cc/wallpaper/416317[09:38:22] <superbia> i take a selfie[09:38:35] <mike-zal> lol[09:39:07] <ringos> https://system76.com/laptops/oryx[09:39:09] <ringos> :)[09:39:23] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[09:39:32] <ringos> superbia, your grandma?[09:39:39] <mike-zal> ringos: no sysmet76. doubt they would have good support in my country. also shipping costs...[09:41:37] <ringos> Atleast build for a linux core :p[09:41:41] <mike-zal> also... too expensive[09:42:35] <mike-zal> this would do... if not the price and accesibility: https://system76.com/laptops/oryx[09:44:08] <superbia> mike-zal: virtualization == 3 cents per hour[09:44:16] <superbia> so do you really need a new laptop?[09:44:26] <mike-zal> not interested in payinh per hour[09:45:00] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@178.220.106.112> has joined #manjaro[09:45:08] <mike-zal> not really... mine still works but I wonder how long. probably 1-2 at max. some plastic elements are running wildly inside laptop already,,,[09:45:29] <mike-zal> battery last 1 hour or so, so it lives, yet[09:45:30] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:45:39] <superbia> if i wanted to play 3A titles[09:45:43] <superbia> i would go 1080[09:45:45] <superbia> liberache mod[09:45:54] <superbia> nvidia 1080[09:46:02] <superbia> and i would get a 4k monitor[09:46:05] *** manjaro-web|6797 <manjaro-web|6797!ce2d5850@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.88.80> has joined #manjaro[09:46:32] <superbia> no laptop would satisfy me[09:46:50] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[09:47:33] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[09:48:45] *** manjaro-web|6797 <manjaro-web|6797!ce2d5850@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.206.45.88.80> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[09:49:19] <mike-zal> like I said, I don't have high requiremens, just high laptop requirements ;)[09:50:26] <mike-zal> but a PC good gaming-work station with multiple monitor setu would be great. maybe some day but so far I live without PC since over 6 years so I got used to mobile 17 inch laptop.[09:50:56] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:51:14] <superbia> for 1000 $ you get 3.805137 equivalent games of gaming[09:51:24] <superbia> that is under assumption that you game 24/7[09:51:35] <superbia> if you game only 8h a day, then its 10 years[09:51:44] <superbia> if you game only 4h every day, then 20 years[09:51:49] <superbia> on newest nvidias[09:51:52] <mike-zal> lol. I game few hours per week! at most![09:51:54] <peetaur2> "only 8h a day" :D[09:52:02] <peetaur2> *only*[09:52:10] <superbia> peetaur2: why people dont like virtualized gaming[09:52:16] <mike-zal> but still want to have the possibility if I have free time.[09:52:27] <superbia> peetaur2: if i played games, i would do it this way, no heat, just fun[09:52:37] <mike-zal> superbia: because it's not yours. everything charged per hour is no go.[09:52:39] <bugzbunny> Uh, remote Virtualize Gaming?[09:52:52] <bugzbunny> mike-zal: And you can lose it[09:52:55] <bugzbunny> :-p[09:53:09] <mike-zal> even phones have fixed payments and EVERYTHING is for free there (all in country calls and internet)[09:53:33] <ringos> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2016/05/the-lenovo-ideapad-y700-gaming-laptop.html[09:53:37] <ringos> :p[09:53:42] <superbia> http://lg.io/2015/07/05/revised-and-much-faster-run-your-own-highend-cloud-gaming-service-on-ec2.html[09:53:58] <bugzbunny> xD[09:54:03] <mike-zal> checked this Y700 and it SUCKS! BIG TIME![09:54:12] <superbia> lets be honest[09:54:21] <superbia> if you cant access your virtual gaming rig[09:54:24] <superbia> the internet is down[09:54:33] <superbia> i dont see it you playing video games then[09:54:44] <superbia> the world would be in a pretty bad shape for you to play your games offline[09:54:48] <mike-zal> it's box (not sure how to name it in english) is bad during typing (it... goes down... lack of words)[09:54:57] <superbia> flexes[09:55:01] <mike-zal> also power plug is a quadrat![09:55:03] <superbia> the chasis flexes[09:55:08] * bugzbunny plays games offline fine :-p[09:55:08] <peetaur2> I just see it as pointless ... just a waste, and all of the above, especially you own nothing and they can control you[09:55:17] <mike-zal> so you can easily destroy power plug when moving laptop[09:55:32] <mike-zal> also cables and power box are badly designed[09:55:45] <peetaur2> maybe the only purpose is copy protection... no advantage for the user at all (copy protection is always a problem, never good for the user)[09:55:48] <superbia> peetaur2: for 1 $ you can have 24 hours of gaming[09:55:57] <peetaur2> (especially that one that bricked your computers :D)[09:56:00] * ringos games on facebook[09:56:07] <superbia> hoonglas[09:56:08] <peetaur2> superbia: don't care[09:56:10] <superbia> afk[09:56:14] <superbia> zzzzzzzzzzzzz haters[09:56:21] <mike-zal> all in all this Y700 model has good screen and sound, good cpu and decent gpu but other very serious flaws exclude it[09:56:27] <peetaur2> yeah freedom lovers hate malware..get used to it[09:57:44] <mike-zal> so Y700 has good official reviews but when you check REAL users experience, it's not that good.[09:58:32] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[10:00:07] <mike-zal> maybe for one game this cloud gaming is no so bad? will consider it... in few years...[10:00:22] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:00:39] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@user-36c5b4e.cable.mindspring.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:00:57] <peetaur2> I'll just boycott it and not play even if they offer 300 years + a high end gaming machine free bundled[10:01:13] <peetaur2> (probably will be malware infested, on the firmware)[10:01:30] <zero-ghost> nope, all games must be playable completely offline[10:01:32] <zero-ghost> fuck lock in[10:01:35] <zero-ghost> fuck "clouds"[10:01:40] <zero-ghost> fuck DRM[10:01:56] <zero-ghost> https://gog.com[10:01:57] <zero-ghost> only[10:02:05] <bugzbunny> xD[10:02:05] <zero-ghost> humble store too i guess[10:11:59] * ringos installing Qubes os on zero-ghost computer[10:12:33] <peetaur2> bleh xen[10:13:00] <armin> bleeeh[10:13:16] * ringos sells his mallware PC to mike-zal[10:13:18] <ringos> :)[10:14:27] <mike-zal> why mallware? whipe the disck and install manjaro.[10:14:52] <mike-zal> mallware is for windows ;P[10:16:05] *** whgiruhorubgo <whgiruhorubgo!~Manjarous@dslb-088-066-160-089.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[10:16:42] <zero-ghost> qubes should use manjaro as base[10:16:44] <zero-ghost> xD[10:17:38] <whgiruhorubgo> hello guys, new to linux. I have shitty wificard on my laptop and I need to enter iwconfig wlp3s0 rate 54M after each system start. How can I save this setting?[10:17:40] <peetaur2> or it could just not use any base and just be a software package like a sane project[10:18:18] <peetaur2> even if only one distro was supported, it should be possible to install it yourself[10:19:34] <ringos> you can make a script whgiruhorubgo but had those script forgot :)[10:19:47] <peetaur2> whgiruhorubgo: maybe some udev thing does this, otherwise an init script[10:22:20] <ringos> with https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Network_services_with_NetworkManager_dispatcher[10:23:16] <ringos> make a script with that iwconfig NetworkManager-Dispatcher in systemd must be started[10:25:07] <whgiruhorubgo> thanks[10:30:45] *** whgiruhorubgo <whgiruhorubgo!~Manjarous@dslb-088-066-160-089.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:38:27] *** Tjong <Tjong!~Tjong@p3E9EB8C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[10:42:28] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[10:53:30] *** 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<NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:2b00:2e59:843:f087> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:14:30] *** manjaro-web|2457 <manjaro-web|2457!5a944023@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.90.148.64.35> has joined #manjaro[11:15:08] *** open_coder <open_coder!~open_code@88.251.170.24> has joined #manjaro[11:15:56] *** manjaro-web|2457 <manjaro-web|2457!5a944023@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.90.148.64.35> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:17:46] <Nikky> since the last uupdate my desktop keeps freezing randomly[11:18:24] <Nikky> as in.. i keep hearing sound, in fact mumble works but all graphical output is completely frozen..[11:18:46] *** peaveyman <peaveyman!~gary@unaffiliated/peaveyman> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[11:19:39] <Nikky> since i see no changes at all i am not sure if i can switch to tty2 or so.. only hard resetting my pc helps.. i am also not sure hwere to look for hints in the logs[11:20:19] <mike-zal> Nikky: observe processes in system manager or in htop, see if something stands out[11:20:40] <mike-zal> also if any program makes problems, run it in terminal and see output[11:20:54] <peetaur2> Nikky: side note... enable sysrq and do reisub to reboot to lower chance of corruption[11:21:05] <mike-zal> usually there are some error and warinings, but those really problematic ones will be more distinct[11:21:07] <peetaur2> to dumb things down they disable it by default usually[11:21:11] <Nikky> i cannot really observe anything after my screen freezes[11:21:23] <peetaur2> Nikky: I would look in dmesg for errors, and expect something like nouveau crashing (do you use nouveau?)[11:21:32] <peetaur2> if you can't get it from dmesg, look in system logs[11:21:36] <Nikky> amdgpu[11:21:36] <mike-zal> and the look for various logs[11:21:50] <peetaur2> and if you can't see system logs, you have options like kernel buffer to network or serial console[11:21:56] <Nikky> i am running a r9 390 so no chance of nouveau working[11:24:06] <peetaur2> yeah that's radeon/amdgpu[11:24:37] <Nikky> is there a way to find old logs ?[11:24:40] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[11:24:48] <Nikky> so actually what happened before it froze ?[11:25:01] <open_coder> who are using Manjaro i3 from here[11:26:48] <mike-zal> I used it a half year ago, so I probably won't be much of a help. but I enjoyed i3.[11:28:37] *** Lowl3v3l__ <Lowl3v3l__!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-066-069-171.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[11:29:22] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-218-187-065.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[11:30:47] *** tme <tme!tme@hehz.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[11:30:59] *** tme <tme!tme@hehz.net> has joined #manjaro[11:31:37] *** tumbler <tumbler!~tumbler@unaffiliated/tumbler> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:31:48] *** ta__ <ta__!~ta@1.144.96.230> has joined #manjaro[11:32:01] <Nikky> i looked into journalctl.. found the timejumps before the restarts and.. no errors, i expect journalctl would include errors right ?[11:36:26] <ta__> Hi there all, so I have just resantly started using manjaro this week. Best disto ever, IMO. I have switched out pm-laptop-tools for tlp as I get much better battery life with tlp. Was just wondering how to still do a suspend?[11:37:27] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:37:33] <ta__> I really like pacman too ay[11:38:28] <peetaur2> pacman was also one of the best things for me when switching...[11:38:47] <peetaur2> only problem is they don't do multi-version on the kernel, so if you update it, some things (that auto-load modules) don't work until reboot or kernel downgrade[11:39:11] <peetaur2> one of my new favorite passtimes is timing installing something with pacman and comparing to apt-get :)[11:40:21] <Nikky> <ou might want to render a dependency graph[11:40:36] <Nikky> interesting to look at is mhwd[11:40:45] <Nikky> and what depends on it[11:41:15] <ta__> Okay thanks[11:42:28] <Nikky> also ta__ what do you mean with doing a suspend ? you mean freeziong packages or putting your laptop into sleep mode ?[11:43:01] <bugzbunny> IIRC, there is a 5 year feature request for Pacman to support Multi-Version Kernels[11:43:46] <peetaur2> I would assume he means sleep aka "suspend to ram"[11:44:12] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: great... so we'll have it in no time ;)[11:45:05] <bugzbunny> The last message I read was figuring out what the problem is actually is... Don't hold your breath on it doh[11:45:36] <peetaur2> heh they don't even see it as a problem?[11:46:17] <peetaur2> they don't care you can (1) update your only kernel to a bad one that doesn't boot, reboot, and then you need separate media to recover? or (2) update and then not reboot and then the system is FAILING by not loading modules it needs? :/[11:46:44] <bugzbunny> Well, they were trying to figure out the problem to figure out a way to fix it. People were throwing solutions left and right[11:47:07] <peetaur2> to mitigate (1) I just keep a few different kernels ... but I don't test them unless my main one failed, so when they're updated along with the other, maybe I have no working one ;)[11:47:08] <bugzbunny> For now, some folks a repeating, if you want multi-kernel, just install linux-lts[11:47:08] <ta__> Oh no, I mean putting the laptop to sleep[11:47:30] <peetaur2> for (2) I just don't update it unless I'll reboot right after (which is easy because I build my own kernels...the manjaro repos don't affect this)[11:47:53] <Nikky> also seems like linux 4.7 is now available[11:47:56] <bugzbunny> You can read the ticket yourself, I have it somewhere[11:48:11] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: heh I would just do it like debian's hack (kernel version is part of package name so they're separate packages, plus some hack to make it considered an "update" when you go from one package to another independent package)[11:48:17] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agke157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[11:48:23] <peetaur2> (plus a cleanup which never removes latest or running kernels)[11:48:32] <ta__> I also went with the openrc version, so I have got openrc and tlp and I really don't get how to put the laptop to sleep and I pretty much have to travle for a bit[11:48:44] <bugzbunny> peetaur2: yeah[11:49:35] <peetaur2> ta__: did it install a .service file? pacman -Ql tlp if so, then ask the openrc guys to give an openrc script (I don't see a tlp-openrc in repos), or get it yourself from gentoo, or write it yourself based on the .service file[11:49:44] <ta__> Oh I love the way manjaro managers kernels! It's the best I've seen[11:50:28] <peetaur2> I like the /etc/mkinitcpio.d/*.preset files, but I don't see anything else good about how they manage kernels... but they do it better than arch.. arch does it way wrong, only having one version[11:50:33] <ta__> Cool peetaur2 thanks for the pointers[11:51:56] <bugzbunny> peetaur2: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16702[11:51:59] *** nahtnam <nahtnam!uid22411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bvlvevxoeixogxfl> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[11:52:44] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@87-55-11-71-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[11:53:00] <Nikky> ta__ i guess you have read up on this ? https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management#Suspend_and_hibernate[11:53:08] <Nikky> and checked if the commands work ?[11:53:58] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: guh this guy loves symlinks[11:54:28] <bugzbunny> peetaur2: Which guy?[11:54:35] *** mr_jason <mr_jason!~mr_jason@114.111.166.50> has joined #manjaro[11:54:36] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: which reminds me of one other complaint.... I am used to being abole to do: ls /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) whicn you can't do on manjaro ... his symlink thing wouldn't change that[11:54:43] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: the OP of the bug[11:54:44] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:54:54] <bugzbunny> k[11:55:10] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3F503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[11:55:19] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: the dependency hack from a metapackage to the main is fine...but yoyu don't need any symlinks on the system; all that will do is force a default instead of having multiple options in the grub menu like it should have[11:55:53] <peetaur2> or maybe I'd have to see it with ls -l to see what he's actually saying....but pretty sure he wants useless redundant symlinks[11:56:41] <bugzbunny> It's a suggestion[11:57:56] <bugzbunny> The idea is, keeping the old kernel in place and just symlink to a newer kernel when it get's installed[11:59:09] <peetaur2> but grub doens't need this link...what's the point of it?[11:59:25] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has joined #manjaro[12:00:24] <bugzbunny> It's not about grub, it's keep kernel26 always pointing to a newer version in the 2.6 branch. You would have to clean old kernels manually yourself... grub-mkconfig might have issues with double entries for the same version of the kernel[12:01:48] <peetaur2> grub doesn't care about multiple entries... update-grub will add one menu entry per vmlinuz file[12:02:15] <peetaur2> and what's the point of this kernel26 link? pacman doesn't need it... grub doesn't need it... the kernel doesn't need it.[12:02:36] <bugzbunny> I think you missing the point but I am not the one making the suggestion xD :)[12:03:19] <peetaur2> and manjaro has no such link, does it?[12:03:30] <bugzbunny> dunno :)[12:03:41] <peetaur2> so am I missing the point because it's pointless?[12:03:53] <peetaur2> should I post there they should just do it like debian until they solve it?[12:04:10] <bugzbunny> I guess :)[12:04:33] <peetaur2> do I have to read all the spam there first? :D[12:04:47] <bugzbunny> yes :)[12:04:54] <peetaur2> this thread needs a moderator to junk it, condense it, and repost that[12:05:17] <peetaur2> like the guys saying the -lts one solves that....wtf? it's an alternate kernel, sure but it is for an entirely different purpose[12:05:49] <peetaur2> so the spam and being 5 years old makes me not want to bother[12:06:06] * bugzbunny checks peetaur2 blood pressure.. it's rising[12:06:07] *** Eightynine <Eightynine!d4606d91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.96.109.145> has joined #manjaro[12:06:30] <peetaur2> I see.[12:07:12] *** peaveyman <peaveyman!~gary@unaffiliated/peaveyman> has joined #manjaro[12:08:28] <bugzbunny> :][12:08:28] <Eightynine> Hi. I had Manjaro and Windows 8.1 and yesterday I've been using 8.1. Now I turned my PC on and it's not booting and shows grub rescue. How can I fix that? I have no Manjaro flash drive.[12:08:45] <bugzbunny> peetaur2: Could always build your own kernel :)[12:09:46] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: Old can, new WeeChat 1.5)[12:09:55] <Eightynine> Please, help me.[12:10:04] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:10:34] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[12:10:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[12:12:13] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: I already build my own kernel, with grsecurity (includes apparmor)[12:12:58] *** br0ddy <br0ddy!~br0ddy@93-36-75-99.ip59.fastwebnet.it> has joined #manjaro[12:13:07] *** br0ddy <br0ddy!~br0ddy@93-36-75-99.ip59.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:13:10] <peetaur2> Eightynine: that's normal... it's not a bug, it's a feature, called monopoly enforcement. they want you to think linux sucks and is buggy, and do that by corrupting the bootloader. And you paid them to do it... for shame.[12:13:31] <peetaur2> Eightynine: easiest way to avoid it is just give in and use the windows bootloader to chainload grub[12:13:33] <ta__> Oh it was just well laid out and simple, I coming from ubuntu wher there are multipule kernals installed at once and compariativaly it's just a better experiance[12:14:16] <Eightynine> Why it has been broken? It worked a few days since I installed Manjaro.[12:14:25] *** Japhy <Japhy!a0da6120@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.160.218.97.32> has joined #manjaro[12:14:30] <ta__> Appoligies for the speeling I am really quite tied and can bearly keep my eyes open[12:14:34] <peetaur2> Eightynine: just some random windows update triggers reinstalling the boot code whether you want that or not, and overwrote a part of grub[12:14:36] *** Sango <Sango!~kvirc@10.230-227-89.dsl.completel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/)[12:14:46] <Nikky> peetaur.. cna windows 8 / 10 mess with grub if i chainload the windows bootloader from grub (when the whole windows mess is on another disk)[12:14:47] <peetaur2> or maybe not even an update...maybe it randomly sabotages grub[12:14:47] <Nikky> ?[12:15:22] <peetaur2> Nikky: not sure... if windows knows which disk to write its bootloader (and of course you might never be able to configure that), then it should work...but it might just pick the first disk or all disks, or who knows...[12:15:33] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has joined #manjaro[12:15:46] <Eightynine> I hate MS and Windows I have to use it to flash phones for example.[12:16:03] <Nikky> urgh.. i know somone told me a way once to make it ompossible for windows to mess with the linux boot drive[12:16:06] *** Japhy <Japhy!a0da6120@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.160.218.97.32> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:16:32] <Nikky> but i forgot how and i am not very invested in it since i very rarely boot into the old windows mess[12:16:55] <peetaur2> Nikky: btw, I use windows in VMs, and it can't touch my grub :P (with graphics passthrough, you can play games as normal)[12:17:18] <peetaur2> Nikky: physically disconnect the linux drive when booting windows? :)[12:17:23] <Nikky> i cannot really passthrough my only graphics card can i ?[12:17:39] <Nikky> since linux is on a M.2 that would be a hassle[12:17:42] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[12:18:24] <Nikky> i might just switch the boot drive in the bios though[12:18:41] <Nikky> for all intents and puposes windows should not care about anything else then[12:18:46] <bugzbunny> You could if you Mobo supports IOMMU/VT-d; although your success rate is very grim[12:19:11] <Nikky> i am fairly sure it would work though.. but i am not quite ready to risk it[12:19:13] <Eightynine> Is there any way to fix that? By the way Windows is always doing something with my disk probably defragmenting it. And I can see Camera Metro app in Task manager though I didn't launch it[12:19:41] <Nikky> what is that IOMMU/VT-d ?[12:20:14] <bugzbunny> IOMMU/VT-d allows you to pass the raw device to a VM[12:20:15] <Nikky> and i get reminded why i do not want to switch back..[12:20:39] <Nikky> but then i cannot render the actual VM[12:21:04] <Nikky> or i use the iGPU and have to mess with driver changes again[12:21:54] <peetaur2> Nikky: bugzbunny: ideally you pass through a 2nd card... in theory you could pass through the first if the linux didn't need it (eg. was using serial console and video driver was blacklisted... or just boot with it and take it away :D) but if the bios, etc. initialized and used the gpu, the gpu's state is not ideal and it might cause a hang[12:22:11] <Nikky> i guess it would work for everything i usually do.. except maybe the few liunus games that are working..[12:22:15] <peetaur2> and if you take away the card while in use, bad things happen :)[12:22:40] <bugzbunny> I've experimented with it peetaur2 already :)[12:22:44] <Nikky> thanks.. that sounds a bit too..[12:23:07] <bugzbunny> Might expeirment with it again in the future... Although, there isn't any GPU drivers for my card for WinXP :\ hmmm[12:23:13] <Nikky> but how would i render my host system then ?[12:23:24] <Nikky> if my gpu is used by the guest[12:23:30] <bugzbunny> You need a unused GPU[12:23:43] <bugzbunny> You can't use a GPU that you are currently using[12:23:44] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: you saw that he said passing through his only gpu right? is that what you did?[12:24:04] <Nikky> as i said .. driver mess with the intel integrated graphic and the radeon card[12:24:04] <bugzbunny> I have two GPUs here, a iGPU and dGPU[12:24:33] <peetaur2> and btw, if your gpu had "function level reset" (FLR+ in lspci -vvv) then in theory you would be able to pass it through even if it was initialized[12:24:34] <Eightynine> Error: no such partition. Ls shows that bootloader is on hd0, msdos3[12:24:34] <bugzbunny> I passed the iGPU to the VM, wasn't successful with Manjora but I believe I have a fix for it[12:24:37] <Nikky> i am not entirely sure how well that would work and.. what would i connect to the monitor then ?[12:25:17] <Nikky> i guess my iGPU should be powerful enough for most games i want to play[12:25:18] <bugzbunny> Nikky: You would have to connect the monitor the GPU, altenatively, you can perhaps remote desktop[12:25:29] <peetaur2> (hmm I can't find FLR- in my lspci -vvv any more... did they change it oir I have wrong option to lspci)[12:25:37] <Nikky> well i have 2 monitors luckily[12:26:09] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@dslb-092-076-198-186.092.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[12:26:53] *** manj-budgie <manj-budgie!~manjaro-b@dslb-092-076-198-186.092.076.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:27:10] <bugzbunny> I hear you get better performance with QEMU-VFIO (irrc) than with VirtualBox[12:27:30] <bugzbunny> Although, VirtualBox might be easier to configure it with.. dunno :)[12:27:35] <Nikky> i am not entirely sure how well remote desktop would work for games.. wouldn't the effective fps drop drastically ?[12:27:48] <bugzbunny> I doubt it....[12:27:56] <peetaur2> vbox cheats and risks corruption for disk, so it's disk is faster than non-virtio kvm...but otherwise kvm is probably the fastest (mem, cpu, other)[12:28:00] <bugzbunny> On the same machine, virtual no lag[12:28:23] <Nikky> oh yeah.. cool[12:28:23] <peetaur2> (and FYI on FreeBSD vbox hosts, their vbox has that disabled so the disk is really slow)[12:28:33] <bugzbunny> ic[12:28:49] <bugzbunny> If you get low FPS, then you GPU is not fast enough :D[12:29:19] <Nikky> i already have a windows 7 vbox.. so i might look into passing it the iGPU[12:29:24] <Nikky> might just work[12:29:26] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@xdsl-81-173-227-137.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:30:03] <bugzbunny> I have Windows 2012R2 on a Virtio, man does it boot up fast, ~50 seconds[12:30:03] <peetaur2> vbox doesn't support passthrough[12:30:04] <Nikky> or i just boot into windows to play games..[12:30:23] <Nikky> oh damn[12:30:33] <Eightynine> How can I reinstall grub?[12:30:42] <Nikky> yeah.. i cannot remember seeing any option for it[12:30:44] *** Japhy <Japhy!a0da6120@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.160.218.97.32> has joined #manjaro[12:30:45] <peetaur2> only things I know that support it so far are kvm, xen, and esxi (and coming soon: windows server 2016 where they call it "discrete device assignment" instead for no particular reason)[12:31:13] <bugzbunny> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#pcipassthrough[12:31:23] <Nikky> Eightynine: find a linux live usb.. preferably the manjaro stick[12:31:44] <peetaur2> Nikky: I tried just dual booting and using windows just for games...but then you get sucked in deeper.... you want your IM when there, right? so you install that... and your email...and a browser, etc. etc. until you never boot linux again[12:32:14] <peetaur2> with vms, both run, so no rebooting to get at email without spyware stealing it, just switch to the host[12:32:19] <Nikky> peetaur2: to be exact that happened in the reverse..[12:32:22] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[12:32:39] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: haha 50s is fast for windows server?[12:32:57] <Nikky> i tried manjaro in a VM, it was nice to use but quite clunky because of vbox fucking up[12:33:16] <bugzbunny> peetaur2: bootup, heck year[12:33:21] <Nikky> then i got a laptop.. thinkpad t560[12:33:25] <peetaur2> bugzbunny: openrc vs systemd fights are talking about like 5s vs 6s on bare metal (no bios to slow you down), and you're impressed with 50s :)[12:33:52] <peetaur2> (bare metal is way different...I have some meachines that take like 15 min ...ugh)[12:33:59] <peetaur2> (36 disks)[12:34:03] <Nikky> and i installed manjaro on it.. i haven't touched my desktop for a week, because i just didn't want to annoy myself with windows 10 any longer[12:34:11] <bugzbunny> That's not the point :) Windows 2012R2 on some bare metal systems can take upwards to 5-10 minutes to boot[12:34:31] <bugzbunny> That's with ADS enabled[12:34:40] <Nikky> then i got a M.2 SSd for free, put it into my desktop and installed manjaro on it[12:34:54] <Nikky> and since then i booted into windows exactly three times[12:35:04] <Nikky> thats a few months ago[12:35:04] <bugzbunny> I don't have number for without but the bootup times are impressive for QEMU-VirtIO for a Windows Server machine[12:39:45] <Eightynine> I remembered that yesterday Windows said that my disk has errors.[12:39:45] <peetaur2> booting linux in kvm is <20 seconds ;) I just tested a manjaro openrc in single thread mode on a spinning rust disk and it took 15[12:42:03] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@86.57.154.234> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:42:29] *** Japhy <Japhy!a0da6120@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.160.218.97.32> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:43:58] <superbia> basically we went to systemd because nsa[12:45:33] <Eightynine> From what to systemd?[12:46:18] <superbia> init -> systemd[12:46:29] <superbia> initRC scripts[12:46:40] <bugzbunny> Now Grub -> systemd-boot[12:46:52] <superbia> you still have it on Gentoo/funtoo/openBSD/freeBSD[12:47:04] <superbia> bugzbunny: you yes, but i still use grub[12:48:06] <Eightynine> Is it possible to get rid of that ancient crap grub if I have BIOS not UEFI?[12:48:46] <bugzbunny> You should just get a liveusb and restore grub that way :)[12:50:03] <Eightynine> I know but is it possible to use something else instead of grub?[12:51:49] <bugzbunny> BTw, Grub2 isn't ancient anyway, maybe you are referring to Grub-Legacy[12:52:27] <bugzbunny> They are plenty of bootloaders, but getting to work varies... You can refer to the Arch Wiki[12:54:39] *** ViRuS007 <ViRuS007!05be895c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.5.190.137.92> has joined #manjaro[12:54:53] <Eightynine> It can't recognize NTFS and EXT4 and shows unknown filesystem and ext2.[12:55:31] <ViRuS007> hello[12:56:16] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:56:25] *** Eightynine <Eightynine!d4606d91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.96.109.145> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[12:58:24] *** ViRuS007 <ViRuS007!05be895c@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.5.190.137.92> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:04:32] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@2a02:908:2f32:2960:b4d1:f61f:43ab:5bf2> has joined #manjaro[13:09:19] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: back to home planet weechat 1.5)[13:14:18] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has joined #manjaro[13:17:09] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:17:39] <Strit_Laptop> If an application depended on libpng12, could I replace that with libpng and just build it again? Or does libpng12 have something regular libpng does not?[13:18:34] <peetaur2> Strit_Laptop: looks like they're just different versions... libpng is 1.6.x and libpng12 is 1.2.x[13:18:58] <Strit_Laptop> yeah. was just wondering why some applications still depend on the old libpng12?[13:19:47] <peetaur2> ask their devlopers :)[13:21:08] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has joined #manjaro[13:21:20] <wiglet> good morning[13:23:03] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[13:24:47] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-188-106-140-029.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[13:25:23] *** Lowl3v3l__ <Lowl3v3l__!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-088-066-069-171.088.066.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:28:22] *** GeneL <GeneL!~GeneL@si2nb1.EE.NCTU.edu.tw> has joined #manjaro[13:28:48] <GeneL> hey anyone has experience on switching worksspace usnig 3 fingers swipping?[13:31:51] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Quit: later)[13:41:16] *** nantronic87 <nantronic87!~manjaro-k@cpe-174-104-146-156.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[13:42:36] *** Lowl3v3l__ <Lowl3v3l__!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-178-000-010-100.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[13:43:48] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-188-106-140-029.188.106.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:44:29] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@HS196-236-111.nt.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:44:33] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:47:39] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@HS196-236-111.nt.net> has joined #manjaro[13:47:43] *** Akeno <Akeno!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[13:47:44] *** Akeno <Akeno!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[13:48:13] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[13:48:47] *** Akeno <Akeno!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[13:50:05] <BryzNSTY> Manjaro hardware detection doesnt seem to be working for me after the update[13:52:16] *** Lowl3v3l_ <Lowl3v3l_!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-218-191-191.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[13:53:16] *** Lowl3v3l__ <Lowl3v3l__!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-178-000-010-100.178.000.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[13:55:37] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@212.80.67.130> has joined #manjaro[13:57:43] <GeneL> hey anyone has experience on switching worksspace usnig 3 fingers swipping?[13:58:37] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:01:07] <Strit_Laptop> BryzNSTY, What's not working?[14:02:25] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@212.80.67.130> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[14:03:57] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[14:09:16] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:09:31] *** enkeys <enkeys!~enkeys@novlen.lit.rev-fortech.cz> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[14:10:00] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[14:10:41] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.253> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:14:15] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[14:15:58] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[14:19:23] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:23:08] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[14:25:16] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[14:29:42] *** ta__ <ta__!~ta@1.144.96.230> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:32:46] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.253> has joined #manjaro[14:34:17] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-277-193.w109-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[14:37:29] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:41:57] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lbhnhcpcrexhmkmi> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[14:45:13] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@206.132.109.74> has joined #manjaro[14:48:00] *** Eightynine <Eightynine!d4606d91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.96.109.145> has joined #manjaro[14:49:11] <Eightynine> So I successfuly restored Windows bootloader but grub is disappeared. But I still have Manjaro partition. What can I do next?[14:52:02] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[14:52:04] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has joined #manjaro[14:52:09] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13639.dyn.kponet.fi> has joined #manjaro[14:54:03] <peetaur2> Eightynine: install grub to partition... eg. grub-install /dev/sda5[14:54:22] <peetaur2> and somehow tell future grub-installs to go there too...not sure how on manjaro. I only know that step for debian[14:54:29] * peetaur2 does not dual boot[14:55:05] <Eightynine> So you are using Debian?[14:58:31] <peetaur2> not on my desktops[14:59:06] <jarco_> When I try to run pencil xulrunner complains thet it needs libvpx.so.4 , but I only have libvpx.so.3 on my system, is there a way to get libvpx.so.4on it?[14:59:44] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[15:00:14] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:02:45] <Eightynine> peetaur2: what do you use on your PC?[15:04:24] <peetaur2> Eightynine: manjaro[15:04:45] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@93-87-183-250.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[15:05:45] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@93-87-183-250.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:08:36] <Eightynine> When you installed it first it worked without any problems? I had download issues, I mean packages download speed was very slow. I asked here and they gave me configuration with mirrors and when I changed configuration everything began to work good.[15:10:24] *** manjaro-web|9615 <manjaro-web|9615!49a244b4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.162.68.180> has joined #manjaro[15:11:02] <manjaro-web|9615> hey so every time i finish this installation it says toi reboot now i do then once the computer turns off i remove the usb and then when it boots up it says no start disk is available[15:11:14] <manjaro-web|9615> or no boot disc has been detected i mean[15:15:14] <peetaur2> Eightynine: at one point packages were staying old when I knew there were updates, so I just looked at http://repo.manjaro.org/ to manually choose a mirror, and edited the mirror file[15:15:31] <peetaur2> the automatic thing seems to go by speed, but I wanted by freshness too[15:15:44] <Eightynine> So you had to did that too.[15:15:52] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: tmsbrdrs)[15:16:15] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[15:16:53] <Eightynine> Had to do I mean.[15:18:20] *** icehiro <icehiro!~icehiro@119.82.244.38> has joined #manjaro[15:19:39] *** manjaro-web|9615 <manjaro-web|9615!49a244b4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.162.68.180> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[15:19:39] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@5ec00446.skybroadband.com> has joined #manjaro[15:20:28] <manjaro-kde5> hi all[15:20:40] *** einseenai <einseenai!~einseenai@92.243.167.185> has joined #manjaro[15:20:59] <manjaro-kde5> any Mate users here?[15:21:39] <wiglet> i like mate. whats up?[15:22:01] <manjaro-kde5> just wondered if you are using the GTK3 version?[15:22:10] <wiglet> nope[15:22:59] <wiglet> i used to maintain mate for vector linux but it was gtk2[15:23:27] <wiglet> gtk3 is a new deal for them eh?[15:23:42] <wiglet> i havent talked to teh mate guys in a while[15:28:14] <wiglet> manjaro-kde5, http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/status:gtk3[15:28:30] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #manjaro[15:29:51] *** Eightynine <Eightynine!d4606d91@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.96.109.145> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[15:29:58] <manjaro-kde5> sorry - was AFK for a while[15:30:10] <wiglet> np. check teh link i posted[15:30:38] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@2a05:f6c2:1052:0:ce00:2dac:a70b:12a9> has joined #manjaro[15:30:57] *** chshbh <chshbh!~itachi@146.196.33.61> has joined #manjaro[15:31:13] *** JohnML <JohnML!~quassel@ip-84-118-19-48.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:31:34] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:31:45] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #manjaro[15:31:50] <manjaro-kde5> wiglet - I didn't know that much of it was broken. I am using KDE Plasma 5 at the moment and it's nice but I just can't choose between plasma5, Xfce and Mate. Don't want to run all 3 though[15:32:01] <manjaro-kde5> I mainly bounce between xfce and plasma[15:32:50] <wiglet> i do mate and xfce. i wouldnt call it broken, they are just still working on it. goin from 2 - 3 is a major pita for any project[15:34:42] <manjaro-kde5> yeah, I suppose it's a big change[15:35:10] <manjaro-kde5> I just don't want to get used to one desktop and then find it broken (gtk3)[15:35:29] <wiglet> yea, they certainly need more time[15:36:13] <peaveyman> Any openrc users here[15:36:32] <wiglet> i am but im no guru[15:36:41] <peaveyman> Curious about something.[15:37:03] <peaveyman> Thinking about converting but I have some daemons I need starting up.[15:37:07] <peaveyman> One is transmission[15:37:16] <peaveyman> another is plex media server[15:37:21] <peaveyman> How does one go about this[15:37:49] <wiglet> openrc is a pita for that imo. ive tried and gave up cuz you have to write teh whole damned script per each daemon[15:38:03] <peaveyman> Oh yeah?[15:38:15] *** open_coder <open_coder!~open_code@88.251.170.24> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[15:38:16] <wiglet> thats my understanding of it from my efforts[15:38:19] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:38:21] <peaveyman> That shoots that in the foot then[15:38:32] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has joined #manjaro[15:38:36] <wiglet> still beats teh hell out of systemd tho[15:38:47] <peaveyman> You think so?[15:39:01] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[15:39:05] <wiglet> im an old school slacker... i prefer bsd/sysv init[15:39:31] <peaveyman> Isn't that what openrc uses?[15:39:53] <manjaro-kde5> thanks guys - gotta go - going out. Bye[15:40:26] <wiglet> peaveyman, not really but there are some similarities... you may have luck adding your daemons to /etc/rc.local[15:40:55] <peaveyman> I have to do some reading on the subject[15:40:55] <wiglet> on slackware thats /etc/rc.d/rc.local and its teh very last loaded in teh init[15:42:25] <wiglet> most times rc.local is just fine. for things that dont need to be loaded early during boot which transmission and plex dont need to be[15:44:03] *** bigwhale99 <bigwhale99!7456a706@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.116.86.167.6> has joined #manjaro[15:44:09] <bigwhale99> hi everyone[15:44:29] <wiglet> mornin bigwhale99[15:44:49] <bigwhale99> has anyone tried installing Caffe with manjaro?[15:45:00] <bigwhale99> morning wiglet![15:45:44] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:46:06] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@2804:14d:b085:8a3::2> has joined #manjaro[15:46:19] *** manjaro-jwm is now known as holmeslinux[15:46:58] *** GeneL <GeneL!~GeneL@si2nb1.EE.NCTU.edu.tw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:47:16] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@200.235.84.167> has joined #manjaro[15:47:41] *** holmeslinux <holmeslinux!~manjaro-j@2804:14d:b085:8a3::2> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:47:41] *** holmeslinux <holmeslinux!~manjaro-j@unaffiliated/holmeslinux> has joined #manjaro[15:47:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v holmeslinux[15:47:59] <wiglet> peaveyman, maybe start here? https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Writing_Init_Scripts[15:48:27] <peaveyman> wiglet: Thanks!!![15:51:22] *** satu <satu!~satu@83-245-241-215-nat-p.elisa-mobile.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[15:52:06] <wiglet> to be fair technically youd have to write init scripts for any init but most distros include teh basics already written. for example slackware ships with maybe 25 or so init scripts for various daemons all ready to go but if you want something that teh devs didnt include you'll have to write it on your own... like your situation for example[15:52:30] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has joined #manjaro[15:52:35] *** bigwhale99 <bigwhale99!7456a706@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.116.86.167.6> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[15:53:02] *** bigwhale99 <bigwhale99!7456a706@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.116.86.167.6> has joined #manjaro[15:56:36] *** einseenai <einseenai!~einseenai@92.243.167.185> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:01:42] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@5ec00446.skybroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:02:07] *** DerEnderKeks_ <DerEnderKeks_!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has joined #manjaro[16:05:34] *** DerEnderKeks <DerEnderKeks!~DerEnderK@derenderkeks.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:06:23] *** DerEnderKeks_ is now known as DerEnderKeks[16:08:32] <peaveyman> It's something I've been thinking about for several weeks now. When I shut down or reboot it takes forever. It's something to do with systemd that was supposed to be fixed in the current version but it's not[16:08:34] <wiglet> peaveyman, cat /root/Manjaro/manjaro-openrc.txt[16:09:17] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@200.235.84.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[16:09:22] <peaveyman> wiglet no such file or dir[16:10:11] <wiglet> http://dpaste.com/3TB02T7[16:11:24] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has joined #manjaro[16:11:31] <peaveyman> Got it, thanks[16:11:57] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:12:02] <wiglet> there ya go. easy shmeasy... thats all new to me[16:12:37] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[16:12:39] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:12:59] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia> has joined #manjaro[16:13:06] <peaveyman> From looking at the wiki it's not hard at all to switch over. My biggest problem would be getting the daemons running that I need[16:13:29] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:13:34] <wiglet> thats why you dont have that file... i didnt realise you were on systemd yet[16:13:34] *** sunitknandi <sunitknandi!~sunit@unaffiliated/sunitknandi> has joined #manjaro[16:14:07] <wiglet> according to that it cant get much simpler[16:14:16] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:14:22] <peaveyman> Yeah, I'm still on systemd[16:14:30] *** Softeisbieger <Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@ip-62-143-13-166.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:14:38] <wiglet> according to teh dpaste i mean[16:14:38] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has joined #manjaro[16:14:42] <peaveyman> Right[16:15:23] <peaveyman> I wonder if the rc-update add command would work with the daemons[16:16:16] <wiglet> yea, thats what it says. so youd do "rc-update add transmissiond" or what have you[16:16:49] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has joined #manjaro[16:16:50] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:17:56] *** glsmaxx <glsmaxx!~glsmaxx3@66-38-102-195.pool.dsl.nctc.com> has joined #manjaro[16:19:20] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[16:20:48] *** GeneL <GeneL!~GeneL@140-113-69-81.Dorm9.NCTU.edu.tw> has joined #manjaro[16:21:05] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[16:22:42] *** Oldiesmann <Oldiesmann!~Oldiesman@simplemachines/developer/Oldiesmann> has joined #manjaro[16:23:51] *** Phrk_ <Phrk_!~d@46.227.67.83> has joined #manjaro[16:24:02] *** xspeed <xspeed!~xsp@89.222.181.124> has joined #manjaro[16:24:15] <Phrk_> Hello, i just made the latest update on XFCE, now i can't boot[16:24:39] <Phrk_> "a start job is running for CLI Netfilter Manager (20min/ no limit)[16:24:56] *** darksim <darksim!~quassel@78-70-247-31-no186.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #manjaro[16:25:47] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has joined #manjaro[16:30:08] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@200.235.84.167> has joined #manjaro[16:32:36] <Phrk_> help pls[16:34:58] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@ADijon-159-1-31-195.w90-56.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[16:35:11] <manjaroDeepin160> hello[16:36:23] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@200.235.84.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:37:27] <manjaroDeepin160> I'm having troubles with Manjaro Deepin after last update. I have problems with deepin-control-center that doesn't work correctly and hangs[16:37:49] <manjaroDeepin160> Can so help me please ?[16:38:32] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:40:33] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@ADijon-159-1-31-195.w90-56.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:44:03] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:44:30] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fyewculjeiijfyxk> has joined #manjaro[16:45:03] *** Deckon <Deckon!~deckon@unaffiliated/deckon> has joined #manjaro[16:47:11] <peaveyman> Phrk: You might look at this thread[16:47:16] <peaveyman> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cinnamon-edition-after-switching-to-testing-and-updating-it-doesnt-boot-up-to-desktop-anymore/6434/2[16:47:23] <Deckon> someo have troubles with the transparecies in kde 5.7?[16:47:28] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:48:48] <peaveyman> Deckon: of the panel or something else[16:49:12] <Deckon> in all the desktop theme[16:51:38] *** Phrk_ <Phrk_!~d@46.227.67.83> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:55:13] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[16:58:15] *** Deckon <Deckon!~deckon@unaffiliated/deckon> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:02:04] *** darkbit <darkbit!~darkbit@49.144.242.74> has joined #manjaro[17:02:41] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.8> has joined #manjaro[17:04:06] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:08:29] <mparillo> I wonder if transparancies is why my Dropbox icon does not show (there is a gap in the system tray, and when I hover over it, it shows Dropbox), and when I ps -ef | grep dropbox in the konsole it is there.[17:09:37] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has joined #manjaro[17:10:50] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:11:26] *** nahtnam <nahtnam!uid22411@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cdkumaohlwrxwpfv> has joined #manjaro[17:11:44] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[17:17:22] <GeneL> hey anyone has experience on switching worksspace usnig 3 fingers swipping?[17:18:43] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3F503.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:19:54] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@OTWAON234VW-LP140-02-3096546689.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[17:22:58] *** wtiger <wtiger!~wtiger@unaffiliated/wtiger> has joined #manjaro[17:23:42] <wtiger> Hi! I'm getting a notification to update manjaro kernel but the recommended kernel(4.4.15) is already installed..[17:23:58] <superbia> ignore it[17:24:02] <superbia> if you cant boot[17:24:06] <superbia> cant start steam[17:24:09] <superbia> you dont really have problems[17:24:21] <wtiger> i have problems actually, the system freezes[17:24:33] <wtiger> doesn't wake up properly from sleep etc.[17:24:37] <manj-1603-Lxde1> is there any issue in new update?[17:24:51] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:25:03] <mtn> wtiger: sounds like a video driver problem to me[17:25:07] <wtiger> umm this happened after the new update, so yeah[17:25:08] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[17:25:22] <superbia> basically[17:25:28] <wtiger> mtn: might be, how do I debug? I'm using intel onboard graphics..[17:25:55] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~marco@161-227-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #manjaro[17:25:59] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has joined #manjaro[17:26:00] <mtn> wtiger: did the intel graphics driver update? did the kernel update?[17:26:23] <wtiger> mtn: not sure about any of those, didn't pay attention while it was updating..[17:26:41] <superbia> sounds about right[17:26:49] <superbia> what kind of freeze do you have[17:26:55] <superbia> your screen could be white[17:27:00] <superbia> your mouse could be dead[17:27:04] <superbia> your screen could be black[17:27:06] <mtn> wtiger: look at your pacman logs[17:27:15] <superbia> your hentai could pop on your monitor[17:27:24] <superbia> there is more to say than just "freezes"[17:27:31] <manj-1603-Lxde1> you might need to revert to older kernal[17:27:37] <wtiger> mtn: where?[17:27:43] <mtn> wtiger: /var/log[17:27:46] <wtiger> ok[17:27:58] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:28:19] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has joined #manjaro[17:28:21] *** Manj-1604-Lxqt <Manj-1604-Lxqt!~kevin@108-203-30-63.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net> has joined #manjaro[17:29:10] <wtiger> logs show the intel driver did update[17:29:29] *** Manj-1604-Lxqt <Manj-1604-Lxqt!~kevin@108-203-30-63.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:29:42] <mtn> wtiger: try rolling the driver back and see if it helps. simply install the older driver using pacman -U packagename[17:29:45] <wtiger> not sure about kernel though[17:29:49] <mtn> wtiger: and reboot of course[17:30:30] <wtiger> ok, but this is disappointing... thought the packages were tested rigorously to avoid this exact problem ..[17:30:33] <mtn> wtiger: which kernel are you running?[17:30:46] <mtn> wtiger: on a rolling distro? never going to be bug free![17:31:17] <mtn> wtiger: very little testing is done[17:31:18] <wtiger> ok[17:31:29] <wtiger> i'm running kernel version 4.4.15[17:32:00] <mtn> wtiger: ok, that kernel is lts, so not having big changes[17:33:13] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has joined #manjaro[17:33:25] <wtiger> how do I rollback the driver again? tried pacman -U xf86-video-intel, but didn't work...[17:33:40] <wtiger> says could not read the package[17:33:48] <wtiger> *could not find or read package[17:33:58] <mtn> wtiger: has to be the exact file name and run the command from inside that directory or use the full path[17:34:14] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~marco@161-227-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:34:53] <wtiger> could you elaborate? don't know where to find the driver[17:35:44] <mtn> wtiger: /var/cache/pacman/pkg has the actual files[17:35:50] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:36:13] <mtn> wtiger: you can use tab complete to speed things up, too[17:37:02] *** Balvaldyr <Balvaldyr!506e60c1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.110.96.193> has joined #manjaro[17:37:31] <wtiger> there are multiple files here xf86-video-intel-1:2.99.917+655+g25d2c2d-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz[17:37:42] <wtiger> for ex.[17:37:48] <Balvaldyr> Struggling with partioning when installing. The "Forward" button is blanked out. Any ideas? See screenshot: http://i67.tinypic.com/zujdom.png[17:37:54] <mtn> wtiger: you want to one that is one version older than the current one[17:38:02] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[17:38:59] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:39:03] <wtiger> ox[17:39:08] <wtiger> *ok[17:39:53] <mtn> Balvaldyr: I can't see that very well, but did you pick a partition for / ?[17:40:57] <wtiger> installed, gotta reboot now[17:40:57] *** cr0n0s <cr0n0s!~chatzilla@2001:1388:18c3:459b:21c:c0ff:fe02:cbc9> has joined #manjaro[17:40:58] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[17:41:00] *** wtiger <wtiger!~wtiger@unaffiliated/wtiger> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[17:41:01] <mtn> Balvaldyr: and what is the Mount Checklist area? it looks blank[17:41:36] <manj-1603-Lxde1> what is mount checklist for[17:41:40] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[17:42:13] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p5082E36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[17:43:32] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:43:42] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p5082E36E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:44:08] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.49.248.149> has joined #manjaro[17:44:45] <Balvaldyr> mtn: Yeah, there was a partition for /[17:45:11] <Balvaldyr> mtn: And yes, the Mount Checklist area as two blank boxes, one with a red x on it[17:45:27] <Balvaldyr> mtn: I suspect there's supposed to be text in it?[17:45:38] <mtn> Balvaldyr: that seems to be the source of your trouble. I don't think I have seen that before[17:45:42] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has left #manjaro[17:45:49] *** wigums <wigums!~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums> has joined #manjaro[17:45:51] <Balvaldyr> mtn: btw you can enlarge the image by clicking on it[17:46:04] *** wiglet <wiglet!~wigums@unaffiliated/wigums> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:46:13] <mtn> Balvaldyr: yes, I know. still too small and fuzzy.[17:46:34] *** bandithijo <bandithijo!~bandithij@36.75.42.221> has joined #manjaro[17:46:49] *** bandithijo <bandithijo!~bandithij@36.75.42.221> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:46:49] <Balvaldyr> mtn: So, is it some kind of bug? I know I'm using a community version (i3), but I installed it on another computer without problems last year[17:47:26] <mtn> Balvaldyr: no, I think something is wrong with how you did things, but not sure what it would be. the red X is a clue ;)[17:47:47] <mtn> Balvaldyr: check your options for / and root again.[17:48:07] <Balvaldyr> mtn: hehe, but I followed two different online tutorials: had blank space on drive, created partition for / and a partition for swap[17:48:15] <Balvaldyr> then in the tutorials they could jsut click on forward[17:48:22] <mtn> Balvaldyr: check your options for / and root again.[17:49:32] <Balvaldyr> mtn: I only have /, no root[17:49:41] <mtn> Balvaldyr: / is root[17:49:49] <mtn> Balvaldyr: I meant swap and /[17:50:35] *** Joshua_Dunamis <Joshua_Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[17:50:45] <Balvaldyr> mtn: yeah, / is ext4, set to format, no label. swap is swap, set to format, no label.[17:51:05] <mtn> Balvaldyr: sounds fine. sorry, no idea[17:51:09] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.49.248.149> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:51:27] <Balvaldyr> mtn: do I need to point out the uefi partition somehow?[17:51:46] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: back to home planet weechat 1.5)[17:51:58] <mtn> Balvaldyr: not sure, but I think grub knows what to do[17:52:18] <Balvaldyr> mtn: ok. Thanks for the help. I'll try the forums[17:52:27] <mtn> Balvaldyr: you're welcome[17:52:35] <manj-1603-Lxde1> maybe the iso file is corrupt[17:53:15] <mtn> manj-1603-Lxde1: he said he used the iso before[17:53:36] <manj-1603-Lxde1> neverming my bad[17:54:39] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:2b00:2e59:843:f087> has joined #manjaro[17:54:43] <manj-1603-Lxde1> my palemoon crashed when mime not support[17:55:06] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@213.139.56.125> has joined #manjaro[17:55:18] <manj-1603-Lxde1> i turn off flash, maybe that's the reason[17:57:01] <manj-1603-Lxde1> wow the new version of installation guide has 94 page in small font[17:57:11] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:58:58] *** pc__ <pc__!~pc@cable-roi-58c037-180.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #manjaro[17:59:05] *** pc__ <pc__!~pc@cable-roi-58c037-180.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:00:33] *** NolanSyKinsley 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I've been following the instructions but i still get the segmentation fault.[19:59:47] *** darksim <darksim!~quassel@78-70-247-31-no186.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:00:47] *** Lupo_Manjaro <Lupo_Manjaro!~Lupo_Manj@95.233.97.251> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:01:36] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@user-94-254-129-56.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[20:01:41] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@user-94-254-129-56.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:02:09] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.81.11> has joined #manjaro[20:02:10] <yadayadayada> wassup.. how come VI/VIM does not exist in the ISO install image? 1.5 G is pretty fat to include the tiny VI editor !!!![20:03:28] *** corpsegrinder <corpsegrinder!~corpsegri@unaffiliated/corpsegrinder> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[20:04:33] *** j09 <j09!568a67c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.138.103.197> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[20:05:01] *** Spec-Chum <Spec-Chum!~Russ@host86-145-189-236.range86-145.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[20:05:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Spec-Chum[20:05:50] *** Konv3rs4ti0n <Konv3rs4ti0n!~manjaro-k@190.183.247.15> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:05:59] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[20:06:15] *** Konv3rs4ti0n <Konv3rs4ti0n!~manjaro-k@190.183.247.15> has joined #manjaro[20:06:49] *** j09 <j09!568a67c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.138.103.197> has joined #manjaro[20:08:04] *** j09 <j09!568a67c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.138.103.197> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:09:21] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[20:09:40] *** Pucka <Pucka!bca7751a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.167.117.26> has joined #manjaro[20:09:44] *** yadayadayada <yadayadayada!~manjaro@188.26.154.149> has quit IRC (Quit: q)[20:10:21] *** Pucka <Pucka!bca7751a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.167.117.26> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:11:28] *** POWZONE <POWZONE!~POWZONE@p200300D6FBCC990002016CFFFE6E40E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[20:11:34] *** j09 <j09!568a67c5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.138.103.197> has joined #manjaro[20:11:48] *** POWZONE <POWZONE!~POWZONE@p200300D6FBCC990002016CFFFE6E40E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #manjaro[20:11:58] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@95-27-16-221.broadband.corbina.ru> has joined #manjaro[20:12:49] *** list <list!m0rph@host86-134-25-207.range86-134.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[20:12:52] *** list <list!m0rph@host86-134-25-207.range86-134.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:15:41] *** knutz <knutz!~manjaro-k@87-60-38-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:20:46] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[20:23:01] *** m0rph <m0rph!m0rph@host86-134-25-207.range86-134.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC ()[20:23:01] *** |m0rph <|m0rph!m0rph@host86-134-25-207.range86-134.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC ()[20:24:47] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[20:26:57] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:27:39] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[20:27:50] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~manjaro@124.5.94.90.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[20:28:08] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[20:28:17] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~manjaro@124.5.94.90.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:30:58] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[20:32:53] *** Tuxman_ is now known as Tuxman[20:32:56] *** Tuxman <Tuxman!~Tuxman@b9168f51.cgn.dg-w.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:32:56] *** Tuxman <Tuxman!~Tuxman@unaffiliated/tuxman> has joined #manjaro[20:36:28] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.81.11> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:37:59] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-277-193.w109-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:39:38] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[20:40:38] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[20:41:20] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[20:42:44] *** Oldiesmann <Oldiesmann!~Oldiesman@simplemachines/developer/Oldiesmann> has quit IRC (Quit: No, no, no. 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In fact, never play this again.)[20:45:31] *** ringos <ringos!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[20:46:11] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[20:56:38] *** danis <danis!~Manjarous@190.78.212.178> has joined #manjaro[20:57:27] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:02:37] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[21:02:46] *** Akeno <Akeno!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:03:17] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[21:04:13] *** funilrys <funilrys!~funilrys@2a01:c22:d410:a000:cb42:bbf7:9fc6:1dbb> has joined #manjaro[21:06:52] *** holmeslinux <holmeslinux!~manjaro-j@unaffiliated/holmeslinux> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:07:13] <danis> Hi everyone! I was updating (pacman -Syu) my SO when the electricity was cut at my house, then a tied tu update again, but pacman output says "checking keys in keyring [#################] 100%[21:07:13] <danis> warning: Public keyring not found; have you run 'pacman-key --init'? error: GPGME error: Invalid crypto engine" I have been tried to fixed it folowing this https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Pacman_troubleshooting , but I cannot. could anyone help me, please? excuse my bad English.[21:10:49] <superbia> the rule is[21:10:57] <superbia> when pacman is run, you shouldnt loose power[21:11:24] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[21:12:05] *** irishmac473 <irishmac473!~irishmac4@cpe-76-84-41-206.neb.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[21:13:04] <danis> http://pastebin.com/hCCmTJYN[21:13:57] <Jeannie> have you run 'pacman-key --init'?[21:15:26] *** mr_jason <mr_jason!~mr_jason@116.216.0.66> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the 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connection)[22:09:39] *** funilrys <funilrys!~funilrys@2a01:c22:d410:a000:6d5b:8517:577d:e959> has joined #manjaro[22:14:43] <nuno_nunes> hi goodnight[22:15:25] *** funilrys <funilrys!~funilrys@2a01:c22:d410:a000:6d5b:8517:577d:e959> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:16:22] *** ringo_manjaro is now known as ringos[22:20:33] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:21:12] *** GR4Y <GR4Y!~milos@178-223-181-224.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[22:21:48] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.96.188.82> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:22:55] <GR4Y> Hello[22:24:10] <GR4Y> Anyone here[22:24:11] <GR4Y> ?[22:24:14] *** mac78 <mac78!~Manjarous@85-118-160-186.ktk-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[22:24:22] <Jeannie> G'Day[22:25:50] <mac78> new at chat, good evening![22:26:02] <GR4Y> Good evening as well[22:26:28] <GR4Y> I came here with a question, has anyone tried to optimize tcp/ip so far?[22:27:10] <mtn> GR4Y: what does "optimize tcp/ip" mean to you?[22:28:09] <GR4Y> My friend has told me about it, it boosts your browsing speed[22:28:18] <mac78> after a long time with ubuntu and other distros, i find manjaro and i am really happy, they did a fantastic job !!![22:28:47] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:29:22] <mtn> GR4Y: you might want to use a search engine, but I doubt there is any such thing that is effective[22:29:26] <ringos> Linux is just awsome :p[22:29:50] <GR4Y> My friend actually did it but he is using different distro[22:30:19] <mtn> GR4Y: why not ask him how he did it[22:30:34] <mtn> GR4Y: won't be any different on manjaro[22:32:26] <mac78> on the side "speedguide.net" are a lot of diffrent to do's for speed up linux ![22:33:03] <mtn> it is hard to make your net connection faster than it is ;)[22:33:11] <GR4Y> He told me that it's different and that I should try to search for it on manjaro wiki but there's nothing on it, so that's why I'm asking if anyone has done it so far?[22:33:22] <Jeannie> done "it"?[22:33:51] <GR4Y> 'boosting/optimizing tcp/ip[22:33:55] <mtn> GR4Y: been using linux for more than 20 years, and have never done anything to "optimize tcp/ip"[22:34:40] <mac78> i think manjaro is very fast and there is no need to "speed-up" ![22:34:57] <mtn> right[22:35:15] <mtn> sounds like voodoo anyway[22:35:36] <mac78> that's it ![22:35:37] <GR4Y> Lol[22:36:36] <Jeannie> Stopping all your torrents might speed up things[22:36:52] <tmsbrdrs> The best ways to have a faster internet experience are. 1)talk to your ISP and upgrade your bandwidth 2)vote in better representatives who realize bandwidth is increasingly more important 3) have a better home internet setup[22:37:44] <mac78> what about using a fast browser ?![22:38:16] *** Lukimya <Lukimya!~pc@cable-roi-58c037-180.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:38:17] <mtn> mac78: won't speed up the net ;)[22:38:47] <mac78> right![22:40:52] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agke157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:42:29] <GR4Y> Lol ppl you're funny[22:42:50] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[22:43:11] <mtn> GR4Y: ask him how he did it and see how it will apply on manjaro. we have no idea what he is talking about[22:43:28] <mac78> i'am using chromium on manjaro-16.01.1 and i am very glad about speed and stability, so manjaro is "my" distro![22:43:54] <mtn> mac78: good choice[22:45:08] <mac78> even the look of manjaro-cinnamon is fantastic, i feel in love ![22:45:39] <Jeannie> Chromium is such a ressource hog[22:45:44] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13639.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:46:48] <mac78> but chromium is very fast, ressource dont matter if thre is enough ram.[22:47:07] <Jeannie> All these open proceses, horrible[22:47:08] <ringos> i think most popular browsers are hogs these days[22:48:11] <mac78> everyone has a different opinion about , so what...[22:48:29] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-277-193.w109-220.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[22:48:49] <Jeannie> i'd rather use a cli browser than chromium, and I really hate cli applications[22:49:24] <mac78> cli-browser ???[22:49:33] <mtn> Jeannie: luckily you can use what you want, and so can we ;)[22:49:56] <Jeannie> Yes, cli browser, e.g. lynx[22:50:46] *** manots <manots!~manots@2602:306:bcc5:1f90:98e5:8f36:50d0:43b5> has joined #manjaro[22:51:10] <mac78> never used lynx, so i can say nothing about ...[22:51:43] <mtn> I used it about 15 years ago :P[22:51:57] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-plboiobesrjeaioq> has joined #manjaro[22:51:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v vexare[22:52:00] <superbia> Jeannie: ping[22:52:03] <mtn> or maybe 20. but not after gui browsers got really good[22:52:28] <mac78> ha,ha your right ![22:52:49] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agke157.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> 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It happens in here daily. Browsers sucks, windows sucks, NSA is watching everyone. Its the same thing by different people[22:56:27] <Jeannie> Sooo[22:56:37] <Jeannie> Let's discuss desktop environments[22:56:40] <mac78> sorry, don't understand, my awful english...[22:56:54] *** manots <manots!~manots@2602:306:bcc5:1f90:98e5:8f36:50d0:43b5> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:57:04] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:58:17] <mac78> hey, mtn , gone to sleep ?[23:00:24] *** danis <danis!~Manjarous@190.78.212.178> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:04:27] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[23:07:14] *** mac78 <mac78!~Manjarous@85-118-160-186.ktk-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:07:41] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[23:11:51] *** manjaro-web|7477 <manjaro-web|7477!6dfe15eb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.109.254.21.235> has joined #manjaro[23:13:11] *** manjaroDeepin_ <manjaroDeepin_!~Manjaro-D@62-47-25-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[23:16:29] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@bl19-211-44.dsl.telepac.pt> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:16:42] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@178.220.106.112> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:16:57] <manjaro-web|7477> Hello! How to install and configure apparmore.[23:25:05] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has joined #manjaro[23:25:14] *** smeefonater <smeefonater!~deathonat@cpe-69-203-208-219.nyc.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[23:25:42] *** icehiro <icehiro!~icehiro@119.82.244.38> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:27:24] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has joined #manjaro[23:27:32] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:27:34] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:27:37] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-218-191-191.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:28:09] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:28:47] *** Lulude <Lulude!~lulude@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has joined #manjaro[23:29:52] *** mles <mles!~manjaro-k@apn-77-115-99-232.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:30:53] *** manjaroDeepin_ <manjaroDeepin_!~Manjaro-D@62-47-25-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:32:06] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has quit IRC (Quit: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)[23:33:40] *** JohnBlood <JohnBlood!~Manjarous@ppp-69-214-0-201.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net> has joined #manjaro[23:33:51] *** Lulude <Lulude!~lulude@2a01:e35:2e40:2120:a8f:235f:466b:97c4> has left #manjaro ("Konversation terminated!")[23:33:53] <JohnBlood> having problem getting steam to run[23:33:53] *** manjaro-web|4786 <manjaro-web|4786!2944e74f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.41.68.231.79> has joined #manjaro[23:34:09] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@200.235.84.167> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:34:12] <JohnBlood> will post terminal output in a minute[23:34:13] <manjaro-web|4786> why i don't have any sound >>>> after update[23:34:19] <manjaro-web|4786> why i don't have any sound >>>> after update????[23:35:20] *** hisforever <hisforever!~Manjarous@192.161.76.87> has joined #manjaro[23:35:37] *** phys-geek-addict <phys-geek-addict!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #manjaro[23:36:58] <JohnBlood> here is the terminal output when I try to run steam: http://hastebin.com/bizejotafe.vbs[23:37:01] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[23:37:38] *** Pablo__ <Pablo__!~Pablo@201.22.53.68.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #manjaro[23:38:38] <manjaro-web|4786> why i don't have any sound >>>> after update????[23:39:30] *** I-was-it <I-was-it!~I-was-it@62-47-25-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[23:39:31] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[23:40:10] <JohnBlood> anybody home???[23:40:38] *** alekzanther <alekzanther!~alekzanth@90-225-37-196-no148.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #manjaro[23:41:54] <I-was-it> yes, but i think we should sleep at this time[23:42:46] *** phys-geek-addict <phys-geek-addict!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:42:54] <mtn> JohnBlood: I found the solution for that a couple of days ago. went to google and did: arch steam libGL error: unable to load driver: nouveau_dri.so[23:42:56] *** manjaro-web|4786 <manjaro-web|4786!2944e74f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.41.68.231.79> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[23:43:17] <mtn> JohnBlood: I found a couple of lines that find and delete some libs, but don't have the link[23:44:03] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@cpe-104-172-255-253.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[23:44:35] <mtn> JohnBlood: here it is, found it again: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/steam-wont-open-help-plz/5604/3[23:44:43] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@cpe-104-172-255-253.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:45:52] *** alekzanther <alekzanther!~alekzanth@90-225-37-196-no148.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:46:09] *** alekzanther <alekzanther!~alekzanth@90-225-37-196-no148.bredband.skanova.com> has joined #manjaro[23:48:46] <JohnBlood> mtn, thanks - I'll have to try it later because I'm making dinner now[23:49:20] *** Strit <Strit!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has joined #manjaro[23:49:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit[23:50:51] <mtn> JohnBlood: welcome[23:53:12] *** I-was-it <I-was-it!~I-was-it@62-47-25-93.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:58:42] *** GR4Y <GR4Y!~milos@178-223-181-224.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)