July 26, 2016 
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July 26, 2016 [00:00:04] <Nixola> I haven't seen a repo update in a while[00:00:13] <linux-user-rn> same[00:00:47] <Nixola> I'm also unable to install some packages from the AUR (PGP keys issues)[00:00:48] <jonas18175> I have the error from policykit[00:00:49] <jonas18175> (polkitd:764): GLib-WARNING **: getpwuid_r(): failed due to: Permission denied.[00:00:51] <jonas18175> (polkitd:764): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_once_init_leave: assertion 'result != 0' failed[00:01:11] <Nixola> I know I can just skip the pgp check, but I'd like to ask, is something going on?[00:01:11] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:01:33] *** Manj-813-Lxqt <Manj-813-Lxqt!~manjaro@softbank126029145082.bbtec.net> has joined #manjaro[00:01:37] *** Manj-813-Lxqt <Manj-813-Lxqt!~manjaro@softbank126029145082.bbtec.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:01:58] *** Oldiesmann <Oldiesmann!~Oldiesman@simplemachines/developer/Oldiesmann> has quit IRC (Quit: No, no, no. Go past this. Pass this part. In fact, never play this again.)[00:04:34] *** tumbler <tumbler!~tumbler@unaffiliated/tumbler> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:05:41] *** lefanbro <lefanbro!~Unknown@46.165.242.166> has left #manjaro[00:13:23] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:13:35] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[00:20:12] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@190.55.182.125> has joined #manjaro[00:20:55] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@190.55.182.125> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:21:41] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-wcqfdjbtzyltvqjz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:22:55] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[00:22:58] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:24:24] *** tony572 <tony572!18a581d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.165.129.211> has joined #manjaro[00:24:54] <tony572> what i the lightest manjaro for old spec pcs[00:25:13] <ringo32> what is old specs?[00:25:44] <tony572> like only 2gb or 1gb of ram[00:25:46] <tony572> idk[00:26:42] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-pydjdyduamclfyxo> has joined #manjaro[00:26:54] <Nixola> XFCE ran decently last time I had a 1gb of RAM; I ended up using i3 in the xfce version though[00:27:30] <tony572> wait what about jwm i3 or lxqt[00:27:36] <tony572> which is lighter[00:28:01] <ringo32> i3 is a wm good using for quick keyboard handling[00:29:22] <tony572> so i3 us best[00:29:28] <tony572> is i meant[00:30:27] <ringo32> is also lighter then Xfce , jwm is more a light desktop lighter then Xfce because is also a windows manager[00:30:40] <ringo32> xfce is a desktop environment like LXDE or LXQT[00:31:07] <ringo32> if you like Qt is lxqt fine i gues xfce more kind gtk[00:31:28] <tony572> ringo32 so which one is the lightest lol[00:31:34] <tony572> i am confused[00:31:53] <ringo32> a WM based desktop like openbox i3 and jwm are pretty light[00:31:56] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@97.189.78.188.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[00:32:01] <ringo32> because its only a WM[00:32:09] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@97.189.78.188.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:32:19] <ringo32> but i3 is pretty good[00:32:24] <ringo32> if you are used to it,[00:32:42] <ringo32> you work more with keyboard but does not got a luxe menu style[00:32:54] <tony572> ok so i will try i3[00:33:02] <linux-user-rn> I like i3, it did take some getting used to.[00:33:08] <Nixola> I personally use i3 even on my beefy PC now, after getting used to it[00:33:09] <tony572> or maybe jwm[00:33:14] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[00:34:38] <tony572> i am looking at a video now[00:34:42] <tony572> about i3[00:34:45] <tony572> manjaro[00:36:47] <linux-user-rn> this is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1I63wGcvU4[00:36:48] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/RrWXdF] i3wm: Jump Start (1/3) - YouTube[00:37:02] <linux-user-rn> even though it is for ubuntu[00:38:56] <linux-user-rn> I found that I had to install dmenu manually. I should be installed if you install the i3 build.[00:39:19] <linux-user-rn> although it is noe in the i3 grupe[00:39:27] <tony572> thanks linux-user-rn[00:40:54] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-pydjdyduamclfyxo> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:41:59] <tony572> have you guys ever tried spatrys manjaro spin[00:42:13] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:42:17] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@108.61.123.70> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:43:16] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[00:44:47] *** w30 <w30!~Dubal@2601:245:8100:2347::1> has joined #manjaro[00:46:44] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:48:13] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:48:13] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[00:48:36] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[00:49:37] <optics> howdy[00:49:51] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[00:50:32] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:51:22] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has joined #manjaro[00:51:27] *** techandy1 <techandy1!~techandy1@97-88-72-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[00:51:43] *** tony572 <tony572!18a581d3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.24.165.129.211> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[00:52:35] <techandy1> Good evening all, I have a question. I have been reading alot about illegal codecs in linux and I was wondering if they are included in Manjaro and if I need to remove them?[00:53:13] *** NanoSector_ <NanoSector_!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has joined #manjaro[00:53:42] *** alekzanther <alekzanther!~alekzanth@90-225-37-196-no148.bredband.skanova.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:53:59] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[00:54:07] *** NanoSector_ is now known as NanoSector[00:54:52] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has joined #manjaro[00:55:42] <ringo32> techandy1, what is illigal?[00:56:02] <ringo32> is not illegal...[00:56:33] <ringo32> mayby for country's does not fit on license on iso possible i dont know[00:56:37] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has joined #manjaro[00:57:06] <techandy1> @ringo32, I have found articles online about the gstreamer-ugly and gstreamer-bad codecs to be illegal. I was just wondering if it's try or not[00:58:06] <ringo32> like ubuntu does, does after installer but manjaro ships with it thats a different story[01:00:23] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:01:10] <techandy1> @ringo32, so it is ok do keep those codecs installed and enabled in manjaro and other arch based distros inside of the USA?[01:01:52] <ringo32> codecs are not illegal thats not how the license work[01:02:31] <techandy1> @ringo32, could you explain it to me[01:03:23] <ringo32> Manjaro ships all in one ISO , nonfree drivers, codecs for sound etc etc... but putting in a iso, i think in some country's is not on rule, for this reason Mint had two different iso's. but now mint stepped out that system and do like ubuntu[01:04:34] <techandy1> @ringo32, cool thank you for clearing it up.[01:05:14] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[01:05:24] *** ThatRadioGeek <ThatRadioGeek!68a6fc8d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.166.252.141> has joined #manjaro[01:05:27] <ringo32> ubuntu does not ship it standard[01:05:40] <ringo32> but installing by network is different[01:08:35] <ThatRadioGeek> noob question: I put Manjaro Gaming 16.03 on a bootable USB and used it, selected free drivers and everything loaded up just fine. Didn't do a full install at that point, but then I restarted, booted up again with the non-free drivers and I get this thing that says A Start Job Is Running For LiveMedia MHWD <[insert number of seconds here]/unlimited[01:08:35] <ThatRadioGeek> > or some such thing. Then my screens go blank and I get the No Signal messages on my monitors.[01:08:40] <techandy1> @ringo32, thank you for your help[01:09:24] <ringo32> which graphics card ThatRadioGeek ?[01:09:33] <ThatRadioGeek> nVidia Geforce GTX 660[01:10:10] <ringo32> Manjaro Gaming is not from te internal community or what ever from community from g+ right?[01:10:28] <ThatRadioGeek> I have no idea.[01:10:51] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.28> has joined #manjaro[01:11:50] <ringo32> tried an offical iso? gaming is kinda Bloat[01:11:55] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E204.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:13:23] <ThatRadioGeek> I could do that. Failing that, is there a way to get the nonfree drivers after I select free, since that's the only one that seems to be working at the moment?[01:14:11] *** semeion <semeion!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has joined #manjaro[01:14:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v semeion[01:16:24] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:17:43] *** Joshua_Dunamis <Joshua_Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[01:17:52] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:18:27] *** jonas18175 <jonas18175!~manjaro-k@p5DC30D36.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:20:18] <ringo32> could be a older nonfree driver that mome,t[01:20:40] <ringo32> but you only see if you have the 16.06 that should work.. manjaro gaming is too bloat to have also[01:20:48] *** Manj-811-Xfce3 <Manj-811-Xfce3!~michat@user-164-127-32-221.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[01:21:13] <ThatRadioGeek> i'll give that a go. thanks.[01:21:15] *** Manj-811-Xfce3 <Manj-811-Xfce3!~michat@user-164-127-32-221.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:21:27] *** ThatRadioGeek <ThatRadioGeek!68a6fc8d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.104.166.252.141> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[01:26:32] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@94.54.112.203> has joined #manjaro[01:27:06] <ringo32> vexare, lol https://github.com/manjaro/release-plan/issues/77[01:27:08] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/QA0mbh] Retire cli installer · Issue #77 · manjaro/release-plan · GitHub[01:27:30] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bghpstuwbczwadte> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:28:10] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@185.118.249.49> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:28:38] *** Nixola <Nixola!~nix@unaffiliated/nixola> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:29:05] *** becca <becca!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[01:30:54] <vexare> lol[01:31:20] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.28> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:31:20] <vexare> i used the cli installer time ago[01:31:23] <vexare> for a netbook[01:31:32] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@143-122-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:31:36] <vexare> it's impossible to use gui on those cause shit cpu[01:31:58] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@94.54.112.203> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:33:21] <ringo32> vexare, thats now the way, devtux/artoo messed the cli installer so yeah cli installer must out[01:33:29] <ringo32> CFdisk is also replaced by parted[01:35:15] <vexare> long live slackware lol[01:35:21] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:36:30] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[01:37:04] <ringo32> i always thought cli is more stable but overtime changed and artoo behalf he changed to parted i saw.. is just messed and didnt start something to make it better, is just development works on manjaro, is pitty[01:37:34] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:38:33] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:38:56] *** Spec-Chum <Spec-Chum!~Russ@host86-145-189-236.range86-145.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:39:21] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@46.166.190.175> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:39:41] *** NanoSector_ <NanoSector_!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has joined #manjaro[01:39:48] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:40:15] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[01:40:16] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has joined #manjaro[01:40:17] *** NanoSector_ is now known as NanoSector[01:40:30] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@109.201.154.247> has joined #manjaro[01:41:06] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-115.icpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[01:41:49] *** kernel4_7 <kernel4_7!4d0dc116@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.13.193.22> has joined #manjaro[01:42:28] *** Cinnamon1512 <Cinnamon1512!~Manjarous@c-73-239-35-190.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[01:42:28] <kernel4_7> hey guys! does anyone know when we'll be getting 4.7 kernel? looking into rx480 for my dual boot pc[01:42:51] *** Delviax13 <Delviax13!~delvia@ool-44c16817.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[01:42:59] <optics> i'm using it now[01:43:33] <kernel4_7> huh, it doesnt appear in manjaro settings manager[01:44:21] <kernel4_7> 4.6.2-1 is my newest one[01:46:02] <kernel4_7> why doesn't 4.7 appear?[01:46:54] *** manjaro-web|8420 <manjaro-web|8420!4c458df3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.69.141.243> has joined #manjaro[01:47:20] *** manjaro-web|8420 <manjaro-web|8420!4c458df3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.69.141.243> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:51:23] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[01:53:29] <ringo32> is in testing i gues[01:54:16] <kernel4_7> oh well, i'll jump on the topic again when i actually have a rx 480[01:54:37] <kernel4_7> but it will probably be stable in 08 manjaro, right?[01:55:07] <ringo32> manjaro put LTS kernel on iso ..[01:55:17] <ringo32> because iso's got specifik names[01:55:37] <ringo32> is hard for newbie to update install[01:55:46] <ringo32> manjaro got many kernels[01:56:30] <ringo32> if it named linux was probably better :)[01:56:49] <kernel4_7> haha oh boi[01:57:32] <ringo32> because issues runs if kernels where 1inux46 o start if linux46 is out then new users ran intoo some issues[01:57:40] <ringo32> manjaro got to much kernels also[01:58:21] <kernel4_7> why does it have so many, sure choice is good but at some point it's enough, isn't it?[01:59:34] <ringo32> for some hardware support i suppose, but is also on a point why maintain all of that people want to use latest :p[02:00:16] <kernel4_7> i mean 5 would be enough to cover the spectrum of cutting edge to stable to dinos[02:00:39] <kernel4_7> super new-kinda new- lts/rec- kinda old- super old[02:01:19] <ringo32> yeah linux-Legacy linux-LTS linux linux-next FTW[02:01:56] <kernel4_7> oh well, thx for the answers, bye[02:02:13] *** kernel4_7 <kernel4_7!4d0dc116@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.13.193.22> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[02:07:55] *** day|flip <day|flip!~communi@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[02:08:49] *** Joshua_Dunamis <Joshua_Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:11:58] *** techandy1 <techandy1!~techandy1@97-88-72-210.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:12:05] <vexare> lol[02:12:33] *** becca <becca!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:12:35] <vexare> too new amd rx 480[02:13:28] <ringo32> well i wish manjaro kernels named linux[02:13:47] <ringo32> it would be nicer to have a new kernel version on iso's[02:16:12] *** Delviax13 <Delviax13!~delvia@ool-44c16817.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:19:14] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:32:48] *** knutz <knutz!~manjaro-k@87-60-38-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[02:33:52] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has joined #manjaro[02:35:30] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@181.226.63.237> has joined #manjaro[02:35:40] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:35:41] <manjaro-kde5_> hello[02:36:28] <manjaro-kde5_> I was trying to uninstall vlc from manajro kde using terminal but I cannot[02:36:45] <day|flip> what is it giving you?[02:37:22] <day|flip> have you try pacman -Rsn?[02:37:40] <manjaro-kde5_> after checking dependencies it says that cantata breaks dependency with vlc[02:38:15] <manjaro-kde5_> and then stops my cli leaving me in a newterminal line[02:38:27] <manjaro-kde5_> hello day|flip[02:38:38] <day|flip> pacman -Rsn cantata vlc[02:39:00] <manjaro-kde5_> what does this cli do ?[02:39:32] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has joined #manjaro[02:39:56] <manjaro-kde5_> hmm day|flip this cli also removes cantata[02:40:23] <day|flip> that because you can't remove vlc without removing cantata[02:40:25] <manjaro-kde5_> and ffmpeg2.8-2[02:40:40] <day|flip> you can alway reinstall ffmpeg[02:40:43] <manjaro-kde5_> hmm that's bad[02:41:58] <manjaro-kde5_> I wanted to keep using xine and then add mpv[02:42:25] *** Philo <Philo!manjaro-kd@nat/google/x-fgmcbpnzdeswegqx> has joined #manjaro[02:42:37] <manjaro-kde5_> yeah you're right I can reinstall ffmpeg[02:43:10] <day|flip> pacman -S xine mpv[02:43:36] <manjaro-kde5_> yep.. but vlc is no noger needed[02:43:43] <manjaro-kde5_> *lomger[02:43:48] <manjaro-kde5_> +[02:43:50] <day|flip> pacman is manjaro main package manager. the gui software manager it just a front end to it[02:43:58] <manjaro-kde5_> *longer I meant[02:44:04] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@5.210.202.173> has joined #manjaro[02:45:30] <manjaro-kde5_> maybe I could reinstall cantata alone after removing vlc ?[02:46:02] <day|flip> for some weird reason you need vlc for cantata. it used to be you don't need it[02:46:32] <manjaro-kde5_> ok I see thanks day|flip[02:46:37] <linux_dream> sup people. is virtualbox still used?[02:46:55] <linux_dream> i tried qemu and installed debian xfce in a VM (From manjaro), with KVM enabled and it was slow as hell[02:46:57] <day|flip> yes for testing[02:47:04] <linux_dream> like 6 minutes to boot up the desktop[02:47:09] <linux_dream> firefox frozen to death[02:47:15] <linux_dream> and i set 2 Gb of ram[02:47:22] <linux_dream> so i removed the whole thing[02:47:50] <linux_dream> should i try virtualbox or is it dead?[02:48:00] <day|flip> manjaro-kde5_: you could try using Clementine for a cantata replace ment[02:48:04] *** Cinnamon1512 <Cinnamon1512!~Manjarous@c-73-239-35-190.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[02:48:54] <optics> linux_dream: i am using virtualbox on xfce good[02:49:07] <manjaro-kde5_> day|flip I feel tied up and gagged now lol[02:49:19] <day|flip> wahhhh[02:49:23] <day|flip> :)[02:49:31] *** dracfl <dracfl!~dracfl@67.231.161.40> has joined #manjaro[02:50:43] <manjaro-kde5_> as I am checking some more 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*** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@89.198.48.127> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:14:24] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@37.129.198.24> has joined #manjaro[03:17:42] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:18:07] *** johnc4510_ <johnc4510_!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[03:21:29] <linux_dream> VirtualBox: supR3HardenedMainGetTrustedMain: dlopen("/usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox.so",) failed: libQt5X11Extras.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory[03:21:40] <linux_dream> cant start virtualbox[03:24:09] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-115.icpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[03:24:18] <optics> sudo pacman -S qt5[03:28:00] <day|flip> a little more then just qt5[03:28:20] <day|flip> qt5-x11extras[03:29:33] <optics> Enter a selection (default=all):[03:29:45] <optics> tis part of it[03:29:48] <day|flip> that will be bad.[03:29:55] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@37.129.198.24> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[03:30:10] <day|flip> then he will be downloading unneeded package[03:31:52] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@OTWAON234VW-LP140-02-3096546689.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:32:47] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:37:25] <optics> true, i didn't try just qt5-x11extras[03:38:00] <day|flip> if your trying to be super light on package you have installed[03:38:04] <day|flip> then ya[03:38:44] <day|flip> I have under 700 package install. And feel like I have a full desktop that I need[03:39:07] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@user-36c5b4e.cable.mindspring.com> has joined #manjaro[03:39:35] *** bugzbunny <bugzbunny!~bugzbunny@euro217.vpnbook.com> has joined #manjaro[03:40:12] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[03:42:12] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:42:24] <linux_dream> thanks day|flip fixed my problem. why is it not a dependency according to pacman[03:42:35] <day|flip> No idea[03:45:12] *** johnc4510_ <johnc4510_!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:47:54] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@181.226.63.237> has joined #manjaro[03:48:12] <manjaro-kde5> bk at last[03:53:05] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[03:53:48] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@98.0-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has joined #manjaro[03:53:59] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@98.0-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be> has quit IRC (Changing host)[03:53:59] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[03:55:15] <manjaro-kde5> day|flip why does vokoscreen is not considered as for the official repos in Mnajaro kde? Any ideas?[03:56:49] <day|flip> thrid party will ramin that way. just like arch. manjaro have 4 main repo(3 for 32bit system) core extra comunity and muiltlib[03:57:24] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:01:00] *** ghost89 <ghost89!~manjaro-k@201.14.44.165> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:01:03] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:01:11] <manjaro-kde5> thanks for that reply[04:01:46] *** astroty <astroty!~pedro@189.50.13.150> has joined #manjaro[04:03:40] <astroty> Hey, does someone know why this error 'disabling GPU acceleration' happens? http://pastebin.com/9xhvxN5G[04:03:41] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/fb3HgN] [ 0.955208] [drm] radeon kernel modesetting enabled. [ 0.955895] radeon 0 - Pastebin.com[04:03:57] *** corpsegrinder <corpsegrinder!~corpsegri@unaffiliated/corpsegrinder> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[04:07:11] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[04:08:51] <linux_dream> lol im installing antergos in a vm. manjaro is my main oss[04:09:46] <linux-user-rn> I just got done installing arch in a vm, using manjaro as the host.[04:10:03] <linux_dream> nice ^^[04:10:26] <linux_dream> i had installed gentoo months ago in a VM, then on the hardware, the real thing. entirely different story[04:10:32] <linux_dream> vm is easy as pie[04:10:37] <linux_dream> real thing is harder[04:11:00] <linux-user-rn> cool I havent ecen considered gentoo[04:11:11] <linux_dream> i've heard that using hardened tor browser from within a VM makes privacy better[04:11:18] <linux_dream> anonymousity i mean[04:11:29] *** johnc4510 <johnc4510!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[04:11:34] <linux_dream> apparently dealing with a vm is more secure on the web[04:11:40] <linux_dream> thats basically why i went for a vm[04:11:53] *** johnc4510 is now known as Guest76281[04:12:17] *** Guest76281 <Guest76281!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:13:29] *** johnc4510_ <johnc4510_!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[04:14:04] <linux-user-rn> I would like to try to improve the tab completion in the terminal.[04:14:13] <linux-user-rn> is zsh a ood option?[04:15:10] <linux_dream> yes[04:15:17] <linux_dream> bash has some add ons too for that[04:15:33] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@cpe-72-231-22-84.nyc.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[04:15:36] <linux-user-rn> what are they?[04:16:00] <linux_dream> i dont really know. just read on unix stack exchange about zsh and bash auto completion stuff[04:16:06] <linux_dream> i use zsh[04:16:19] <linux-user-rn> ok[04:16:29] <linux_dream> i know auto completion are configurable. and out of the box it offers some nice auto completions. im using default[04:16:46] <linux-user-rn> with zsh?[04:16:49] <linux_dream> yes[04:17:00] <linux-user-rn> ok installing now[04:17:00] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[04:17:21] <linux_dream> i went to a friend's house, downloaded a chess engine, tried to delete it with rm st-TAB and nothing auto completed i was like WTF. then i realized he had bash[04:17:40] <linux_dream> so i installed him zsh[04:17:45] <manjaro-jwm> fastest manjaro distro on shit computers?[04:17:47] <linux_dream> and removed the file[04:17:59] <linux-user-rn> lol[04:18:03] *** becca <becca!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[04:18:06] <linux_dream> jwm probably manjaro-jwm[04:18:12] *** johnc4510_ <johnc4510_!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:18:19] <linux_dream> or net edition[04:18:23] <linux_dream> with tty[04:18:32] <linux_dream> eats like 84 Mb[04:18:35] <linux_dream> or something like that[04:20:58] <linux-user-rn> is there a built in config tool with zsh, the defalt config seems about as good as bash.[04:22:39] <linux_dream> told you its not. type rm fil-TAB. if the file was called file.abc it will auto complete[04:22:55] <linux_dream> bash won't[04:23:14] <linux-user-rn> bash does that aswell[04:23:24] <linux_dream> if you're a coder you might consider oh-my-zsh extension, if not , then pure zsh with maybe some tweaks in the config[04:23:34] <linux_dream> well not for my friend[04:23:43] <linux_dream> he had ubuntu, his bash didn't auto complete[04:24:24] <linux-user-rn> bash auto complee was amasing on ubuntu 15.10/16.04[04:24:47] *** Philo <Philo!manjaro-kd@nat/google/x-fgmcbpnzdeswegqx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:26:24] <linux_dream> i didnt watch the video but you might want to do so : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5690235[04:26:26] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/sYddhr] How zsh is more useful than bash | Hacker News[04:27:34] <linux_dream> http://code.joejag.com/2014/why-zsh.html[04:27:36] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/gAXtDX] My favourite Zsh features[04:28:10] <linux_dream> some of the features are extremely nice[04:28:49] <linux-user-rn> how do I ge tthe auto completetion for program names, and program actions[04:29:33] <linux-user-rn> somepthing like the auto conpletetion in the arch live session[04:30:42] <linux_dream> i dunno but i think arch uses zsh so you might check the .zshrc file from arch live[04:31:42] <linux_dream> maybe this https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/zsh-completions-git/ but not sure[04:31:42] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/NFQ3E9] AUR (en) - zsh-completions-git[04:32:06] <linux-user-rn> mabey, installing[04:32:51] <day|flip> http://gifyu.com/images/sh.png <--- irc clien, web browser, terminal, and music player :) im happy with this[04:32:53] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/R65Udh] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[04:34:54] <linux_dream> i thought it would be a single program day|flip lol[04:34:58] <linux_dream> so i had guessed emacs[04:35:34] <day|flip> ehhh emacs.. so not my thing[04:38:06] *** day|flip <day|flip!~communi@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:39:02] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@cpe-72-231-22-84.nyc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:43:09] *** Mate-user1512 <Mate-user1512!~manjaro-m@2606:6000:6548:c800:721a:4ff:fe87:c00d> has joined #manjaro[04:44:58] *** Mate-user1512 <Mate-user1512!~manjaro-m@2606:6000:6548:c800:721a:4ff:fe87:c00d> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:46:57] <linux-user-rn> finnally I ran zsh /usr/share/zsh/functions/Newuser/zsh-newuser-install -f as explained in the arch wiki on zsh[04:50:45] <linux_dream> wow[04:50:47] <linux_dream> what does that do[04:51:16] <linux_dream> nvm[04:51:22] <linux_dream> i got that installation process[04:51:28] <linux_dream> little config[04:52:01] <linux-user-rn> most of the configuration, it is much bedder that the defalt, I still want to costomize mine further though[04:52:41] <linux-user-rn> i'm looking at the arch wiki for it which is at[04:52:42] <linux-user-rn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zsh#Colors[04:52:43] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/sndyLN] Zsh - ArchWiki[04:53:17] <linux-user-rn> and I'm wondering if you have any idiea what the prompt command is[04:54:53] <linux_dream> nope[04:55:00] <linux_dream> command not found ^^[04:55:33] *** becca <becca!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:57:17] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-187-108.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:03:18] <linux_dream> almost 1 hour in the antergos vm installation process[05:03:22] <linux_dream> not finished[05:16:18] *** manolop3 <manolop3!~manu@89.140.42.248.static.user.ono.com> has joined #manjaro[05:17:10] <linux_dream> hello ringo_manjaro[05:17:14] 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Go past this. Pass this part. In fact, never play this again.)[07:33:59] *** Ceber <Ceber!~PHP5-4-45@dslb-088-077-091-189.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[07:36:54] *** CommunistWitchDr <CommunistWitchDr!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:39:16] *** Ashtasu <Ashtasu!~liam@96-41-151-43.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:39:32] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@87-55-11-71-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[07:39:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[07:43:18] *** manjaro-web|9203 <manjaro-web|9203!326f6d84@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.111.109.132> has joined #manjaro[07:43:28] <manjaro-web|9203> hello, is anyone here?[07:47:01] *** thenewone1 <thenewone1!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has joined #manjaro[07:47:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v thenewone1[07:47:06] <Strit_Laptop> sure. about 150.[07:47:17] <bugzbunny> lies[07:47:37] <manjaro-web|9203> i am having a bit of trouble with manjaro if you wouldnt mind helping......[07:47:57] <Strit_Laptop> what's the problem?[07:48:09] <manjaro-web|9203> i changed the font and now the UI will not show up, is there a way to reset to default settings through the terminal?[07:48:30] <Strit_Laptop> Changing the font shouldn't syop xorg from running. You sure that's all you did?[07:49:02] <manjaro-web|9203> yes, my guesses are either it wasnt installed correctly or it is my trash video card[07:49:29] <manjaro-web|9203> it isnt even really a card, it is integrated and only has older drivers on it, i am lucky to be able to run manjaro[07:49:30] * Strit_Laptop is not a font expert....[07:49:52] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[07:51:30] <manjaro-web|9203> cri[07:52:40] *** tumbler <tumbler!~tumbler@unaffiliated/tumbler> has joined #manjaro[07:53:31] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[07:54:38] *** manjaro-web|9203 <manjaro-web|9203!326f6d84@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.111.109.132> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:06:18] *** fred-fri <fred-fri!~fred-fri@59-100-209-246.bri.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has joined #manjaro[08:08:40] *** fred-fri <fred-fri!~fred-fri@59-100-209-246.bri.static-ipl.aapt.com.au> has left #manjaro[08:13:11] *** SovietShaman <SovietShaman!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[08:14:05] *** Masterpotatoman <Masterpotatoman!~User3@66.242.210.183> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[08:15:18] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[08:20:03] *** davids <davids!~davids@181.50.97.150> has joined #manjaro[08:21:13] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.0.235> has joined #manjaro[08:21:24] *** `Eddie <`Eddie!~dedword@unaffiliated/eddie/x-2286721> has joined #manjaro[08:24:19] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has joined #manjaro[08:24:43] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:25:08] *** davidbe <davidbe!uid16063@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akuafuekaxstwgsi> has joined #manjaro[08:25:29] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has joined #manjaro[08:26:09] *** semeion <semeion!~semeion@unaffiliated/semeion> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[08:29:08] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[08:29:32] *** al4nc4ds <al4nc4ds!Elite16186@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-iuzoxafnwwsjrjxz> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[08:30:07] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:30:07] *** Masterpotatoman <Masterpotatoman!~User3@66.242.210.183> has joined #manjaro[08:30:18] <Vlado9A> hell o world[08:30:20] <Vlado9A> ;)[08:30:24] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@146.0.2.254> has joined #manjaro[08:32:29] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[08:34:39] <davids> Hi! Somebody with experience in xmonad hereabout?[08:38:06] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has joined #manjaro[08:39:10] <davids> ?[08:39:16] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #manjaro[08:40:35] *** SovietShaman <SovietShaman!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 210 seconds.)[08:41:52] *** SovietShaman_ <SovietShaman_!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[08:42:09] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has joined #manjaro[08:47:53] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[08:49:16] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has joined #manjaro[08:51:40] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:56:06] *** davids <davids!~davids@181.50.97.150> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[09:01:14] *** Philo <Philo!~manjaro-k@2601:646:8f01:6e50:b6de:4987:c90a:d32a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:11:29] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[09:12:03] <AleSiS> hi manjaro[09:12:50] <Strit_Laptop> hello you[09:22:03] *** thenewone1 <thenewone1!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[09:23:40] *** MiVo <MiVo!MiVo@2600:3c01:e001:3920::2> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[09:24:17] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:2b00:2e59:843:f087> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:25:23] *** balleny <balleny!b2032378@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.3.35.120> has joined #manjaro[09:25:35] <balleny> Hi[09:27:03] *** MiVo <MiVo!MiVo@2600:3c01:e001:3920::2> has joined #manjaro[09:30:25] <balleny> Is there a simple way (using calamaris) to install the new RC1 with systemd-boot instead of grub? (or rEFInd)[09:30:36] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:31:19] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[09:33:17] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@user-36c5b4e.cable.mindspring.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[09:37:20] *** Kartenmann <Kartenmann!~manjaro-k@p5DD832ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Manjaro-KDE user leaving!)[09:39:00] *** mixlos <mixlos!~mixlos@ppp089210023122.access.hol.gr> has joined #manjaro[09:40:10] <Strit_Laptop> balleny, I believe you can choose your bootloader in the mount setup screen in Calamares.[09:41:12] *** MiVo <MiVo!MiVo@2600:3c01:e001:3920::2> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[09:41:16] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[09:41:59] <Strit_Laptop> balleny, seems I was wrong. Just tested it.[09:42:13] <Strit_Laptop> You should be able to in Thus though.[09:44:50] *** `Eddie <`Eddie!~dedword@unaffiliated/eddie/x-2286721> has quit IRC (Quit: the mac is asleep)[09:47:31] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyslqyhfglfivahq> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[10:02:20] <balleny> Ye Strit_Laptop i thought so too - i know that it is possible to change the calamaris.conf file, because there either systemd-boot or grub can be set but i am not sure if the implementation manjaro is using will support this[10:03:18] *** Tjong <Tjong!~Tjong@p3E9EB44A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[10:03:41] <Strit_Laptop> balleny, it should use it.[10:05:08] <Strit_Laptop> I see there's a conf file in /usr/share/calarmares/modules/bootloader.conf that might help?[10:05:52] *** Matumaros <Matumaros!3e9fed02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.62.159.237.2> has joined #manjaro[10:06:26] <balleny> Ye, just wondering if all will work fine together... but ill give it a try after breakfast[10:07:21] *** fennectech <fennectech!~fennectec@47-32-44-183.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[10:07:23] <fennectech> Hello[10:07:33] <fennectech> how ddoes a person get an expanding seperator in mate?[10:08:37] *** SovietShaman_ <SovietShaman_!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:10:28] *** SovietShaman <SovietShaman!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[10:11:14] *** Ceber <Ceber!~PHP5-4-45@dslb-088-077-091-189.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:11:23] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:11:30] *** mixlos <mixlos!~mixlos@ppp089210023122.access.hol.gr> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:16:38] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has joined #manjaro[10:16:47] *** ringo_manjaro <ringo_manjaro!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[10:17:35] *** steepleone <steepleone!~ray@LFbn-1-6760-250.w90-120.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[10:17:49] *** steepleone <steepleone!~ray@LFbn-1-6760-250.w90-120.abo.wanadoo.fr> has left #manjaro[10:17:50] *** Ceber <Ceber!~PHP5-4-45@dslb-088-077-091-189.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[10:18:10] <fennectech> hello?[10:20:54] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:21:27] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has joined #manjaro[10:23:23] *** ringo_manjaro is now known as ringo32[10:23:34] <ringo32> moin[10:25:28] <fennectech> anyone here know about mate desktop?[10:26:16] *** Jerycko <Jerycko!~Jerycko@17.red-79-148-90.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[10:26:50] <fennectech> ''[10:27:11] *** fennectech <fennectech!~fennectec@47-32-44-183.dhcp.ftbg.wi.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:27:22] *** SovietShaman <SovietShaman!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 210 seconds.)[10:28:38] *** SovietShaman_ <SovietShaman_!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[10:30:30] <ringo32> its a desktop environment lol[10:30:34] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:31:27] *** carlos <carlos!~carlos@gu-84-91-211-87.netvisao.pt> has joined #manjaro[10:31:37] <carlos> hello all[10:31:53] *** Jerycko <Jerycko!~Jerycko@17.red-79-148-90.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has left #manjaro ("leaving")[10:32:07] <carlos> guys my manjaro box is not updating[10:32:51] <carlos> i try to use the testing repositorys but i can't make the change[10:33:33] <peetaur2> carlos: what steps did you do?[10:34:01] *** Pablo__ <Pablo__!~Pablo@187.59.85.154> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:34:02] <peetaur2> 3 steps: (1) vim /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf Branch=testing (2) pacman-mirrors -g (3) pacman -Syyuu[10:34:05] <carlos> can i post the comands?[10:34:08] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[10:34:31] <peetaur2> you can always post/pastebin any non-destructive commands, using pastebin if it's large, like more than 3 lines[10:35:26] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/EDwn0vUR[10:35:27] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/WfP02m] sudo nano /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf - Pastebin.com[10:35:55] <carlos> next i edit this file and change the stable word to testing[10:36:17] <carlos> control x to save[10:36:34] <carlos> y to yes and enter[10:37:01] <carlos> next i sudo pacman-mirrors -g[10:37:28] <carlos> but continious to sinck withe the stable reepo[10:37:51] <ringo32> and sudo pacman -Syy ?[10:38:01] <ringo32> hoh[10:38:24] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/ey92PqAL[10:38:25] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/za23u0] Possible Spam Detected[10:38:28] <Strit_Laptop> carlos, did you remember to take out the # infront of Branch?[10:38:32] <carlos> see this[10:39:06] <Strit_Laptop> carlos, yeah, still on stable branch. :)[10:39:25] <carlos> yes :)[10:39:30] <ringo32> paste bin /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf[10:39:42] <Strit_Laptop> yep. I suspect that the Branch line is still commented out.[10:39:52] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E604.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[10:39:59] <ringo32> typo?[10:40:14] *** whytrytofly <whytrytofly!~whytrytof@176.233.220.76> has joined #manjaro[10:40:29] <carlos> typo?[10:40:42] <ringo32> i dont know just paste that file ?[10:40:56] <whytrytofly> anyone knows how to switch between two keyboard layouts[10:41:13] <ringo32> which desktop?[10:41:27] <whytrytofly> wiling manager[10:41:29] <whytrytofly> no DE[10:41:41] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/6Pqe8DsE[10:41:42] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/m3X9Dc] ## ## /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf ## ## Branch Pacman should use (stable, test - Pastebin.com[10:41:53] <carlos> i think this is what you whant[10:42:07] <Strit_Laptop> carlos, yep. Remove the # in front of Branch, save and run pacman -Syy.[10:42:22] <ringo32> first sudo pacman-mirrors -g[10:42:41] <ringo32> also 2 last lines[10:42:43] <carlos> omg... so simple[10:42:48] <ringo32> arre error ?[10:42:53] <carlos> thanks a loot :)[10:43:01] <ringo32> [ line 1/29 (3%), col 1/3 (33%), char 0/797 (0%) ][10:43:01] <ringo32> ^G Get Help ^O Write Out ^W Where Is ^K Cut Text ^J Justify ^C Cur Pos[10:43:01] <ringo32> ^X Exit ^R Read File ^\ Replace ^U Uncut Text^T To Spell ^_ Go To Line[10:43:08] <ringo32> is tis from nano?[10:43:09] <Strit_Laptop> ringo32, no, those are just the vim controls.[10:43:13] <ringo32> oh[10:43:18] <ringo32> :)[10:43:22] <Strit_Laptop> or nano, I think they are the same controls. :)[10:43:36] <peetaur2> heh vim does not display stuff like that, and the controls are not at all similar[10:43:38] <ringo32> but last pastebin python showed a error[10:43:44] <whytrytofly> http://sprunge.us/RNhJ[10:43:45] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/cusKnZ] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[10:43:51] <whytrytofly> this is my xkb_conf[10:44:17] <ringo32> which WM are you on?[10:44:22] <ringo32> i3 ?[10:44:28] <whytrytofly> herbstluftwm[10:47:17] *** polerbim <polerbim!75c3fee0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.117.195.254.224> has joined #manjaro[10:48:11] *** polerbim <polerbim!75c3fee0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.117.195.254.224> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:48:18] <ringo32> setxkbmap works ?[10:48:24] *** bayoda <bayoda!~mwidmann@91.224.71.98> has joined #manjaro[10:48:32] <carlos> hello again[10:48:47] <carlos> somthing is not right[10:48:53] *** enkeys <enkeys!enkeys@nat/redhat/x-zjyaqcpxjimdnbso> has joined #manjaro[10:48:54] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/t05dCXEH[10:48:55] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ybIpZd] ## ## /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf ## ## Branch Pacman should use (stable, test - Pastebin.com[10:49:09] <ringo32> carlos, you did with CAT ?[10:49:16] <ringo32> or with editor ?[10:49:25] <carlos> nano[10:49:25] <ringo32> Testing[10:49:43] <ringo32> ohnoo[10:50:25] <ringo32> testing[10:50:31] <ringo32> what is not right?[10:50:31] <carlos> were is my mistake?[10:50:52] <ringo32> space[10:50:59] <ringo32> Branch got a space[10:51:11] <ringo32> must direct in the left[10:52:05] <whytrytofly> ringo32, yes[10:52:07] <carlos> the thing is the reepo start sincronising[10:52:13] <whytrytofly> but the switch is not recognized[10:53:01] <carlos> but say in the end that http://pastebin.com/tR5vP6XW[10:53:02] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/wL0F2e] sudo pacman -Syyu :: A sincronizar a base de dados de pacotes... core - Pastebin.com[10:53:10] *** d42 <d42!~root@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:54:06] <carlos> you see its sinc withe the testing repoo and after says theres no updates[10:54:33] <Strit_Laptop> carlos, so pacman-mirrors -g says it's syncking testing mirrors instead of stable?[10:54:34] <ringo32> do : cat /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist[10:54:34] <carlos> that can't be right, i only use the stable repoo[10:54:41] <ringo32> pastebin that[10:55:06] <Strit_Laptop> always do a "sudo pacman-mirrors -g" after branch switching.[10:55:15] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/jF6NCBi6[10:55:16] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/w3n504] Possible Spam Detected[10:56:13] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@86.108.119.234> has joined #manjaro[10:56:20] <ringo32> carlos, use CAT with /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf[10:56:34] <ringo32> cat /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf[10:56:52] <ringo32> pastebin that[10:56:54] <Strit_Laptop> carlos, yeah. Philli mirror is having trouble. Try to set it to only use mirrors from your area.[10:57:31] <carlos> and how i do that?[10:58:23] *** d42 <d42!~root@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[10:58:56] <Strit_Laptop> with the -c flag "sudo pacman-mirrors -c COUNTRY"[10:59:34] *** arm1e <arm1e!~quassel@31.185.157.57> has joined #manjaro[10:59:38] <Strit_Laptop> where country is the closest mirror country to you. :)[10:59:46] <arm1e> Hey guys :)[10:59:58] <Strit_Laptop> you can check mirror status on repo.manjaro.org[11:00:12] <carlos> cat/etc/pacman-mirrors.conf[11:00:13] <carlos> bash: cat/etc/pacman-mirrors.conf: No such file or directory[11:00:19] <carlos> is this ok?[11:00:47] <Strit_Laptop> needs to be space. cat /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf[11:00:51] <ringo32> cat / without dpzvr[11:01:07] <ringo32> whytrytofly, try https://faq.i3wm.org/question/4761/keyboard-input-language-problems-want-to-switch-to-greek/[11:01:07] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/TXwPNt] Keyboard Input language Problems (Want to switch to Greek) - i3 FAQ[11:01:33] <whytrytofly> ringo32, will try thanks[11:01:38] <ringo32> hah pacman-mirrors is broken hahaha[11:01:53] <carlos> http://pastebin.com/mRUdtxa5[11:01:54] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/wmIdvA] [carlos@carlos-pc ~]$ cat /etc/pacman-mirrors.conf ## ## /etc/pacman-mirrors.c - Pastebin.com[11:01:54] <arm1e> Any news on a timeframe for the next updates in the stable branch? It has been a month but the homepage says lots has been fixed ready for the next release.[11:02:03] <ringo32> but sudo pacman-mirrors -g -c Country should work[11:02:30] <ringo32> arm1e, i dont know not having a clue[11:02:43] <Strit_Laptop> arm1e, Just around the corner. Phil should be preparng it.[11:02:48] <peetaur2> carlos: this time you have a space before "Branch = testing" ... not sure if relevant[11:03:00] <arm1e> great! Cant wait to get hold of plasma 5.7[11:03:10] <ringo32> qt5.7 gtk issues[11:03:12] <ringo32> lol[11:03:25] <ringo32> is it fixed?[11:03:35] <arm1e> ringo32: I know, thats what has prevented me moving to testing[11:03:41] <Strit_Laptop> ringo32, I believe most of them are. The rest are minor.[11:04:01] <ringo32> why didnt they fix it in Unstable ?[11:04:03] <arm1e> ringo32: the homepage says the new release has 5.7 so must be pretty much sorted[11:04:53] <ringo32> lol manjaro.org not in ssl :p mean trycrypt[11:05:37] <ringo32> dont know why took errors in testing , testing is also a buffer[11:06:26] <Strit_Laptop> arm1e, yeah, the new -dev versions of 16.08 has all the stuff from testing branch.[11:06:39] <arm1e> Not sure why none of the other updates were pushed through other than qt[11:06:59] <ringo32> as exxample firefox...[11:06:59] <Strit_Laptop> ringo32, manjaro.org runs in https here...[11:07:05] <ringo32> mmm[11:07:55] <ringo32> firefox tells non and chromium give a icon but is not proper set[11:08:16] <Strit_Laptop> ringo32, clear cache and try again?[11:08:38] <arm1e> Thanks for the info :)[11:08:42] *** arm1e <arm1e!~quassel@31.185.157.57> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:17:01] <ringo32> whytrytofly, peak intoo https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Openbox:_Switch_languages_using_the_keyboard_and_xxkb[11:17:03] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/cJCBhd] Openbox: Switch languages using the keyboard and xxkb - Manjaro Linux[11:17:32] <ringo32> Strit_Laptop, there is a error in pacman-mirrors and on yours?[11:18:01] <Strit_Laptop> I don't have an error in pacman-mirrors. But i only use my danish mirror.[11:18:21] <Strit_Laptop> it will probably give error if I use worldwide.[11:18:21] <ringo32> try remove all then sudo pacman -G -C All[11:18:27] <ringo32> try remove all then sudo pacman -g -c All[11:18:27] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[11:18:34] <ringo32> :)[11:18:50] <Strit_Laptop> Why should I provoke an error, the devs knows about, when I can just avoid it?[11:19:15] <ringo32> should know about.. then it should fix it?[11:19:40] <ringo32> is it reported?[11:19:54] <Strit_Laptop> yeah. It is a known bug right now.[11:19:59] <ringo32> oh ok[11:20:20] <ringo32> ten its a pitty lol[11:20:54] <Strit_Laptop> I believe Kirek found a fix for it.[11:21:29] <ringo32> but how long time is it agooo ? month?[11:22:07] <Strit_Laptop> That was yesterday. :)[11:22:23] <ringo32> unbelievable :)[11:22:26] <Strit_Laptop> The error started popping up in the last week or so maybe.[11:23:26] <ringo32> means a bug atleast a month old[11:23:48] <Strit_Laptop> Nope, because it's not really a bug in pacman-mirrors.[11:24:11] <ringo32> but its in stable in month and stable is a month ?[11:24:25] <Strit_Laptop> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/pacman-mirrors-g-error/6284[11:24:26] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/EZgK4Z] Pacman-mirrors -g error - Updating - Manjaro[11:24:31] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[11:24:56] <Strit_Laptop> I beleive that something changed on that one mirror, that the pacman-mirror code can not handle.[11:25:36] <bayoda> ja[11:25:42] <ringo32> then is also something a bug in pacman-mirrors ... on long way :p nevermind[11:26:14] <Strit_Laptop> ringo32, yeah. Kirik heard of it yesterday, and he'll fix it as soon as he can.[11:26:54] *** carlos <carlos!~carlos@gu-84-91-211-87.netvisao.pt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:28:04] *** mstruebing <mstruebing!~mstruebin@h-62.96.223.98.host.de.colt.net> has joined #manjaro[11:34:25] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[11:34:53] <ringo32> https://youtu.be/hFDHryC6Vwg?t=211[11:34:54] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/EFEupA] Wheel of Musical Impressions with Céline Dion - YouTube[11:36:50] <ringo32> im off :p[11:37:31] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-188-33-170-45.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[11:39:54] *** BoopyTheFox <BoopyTheFox!~Konversat@92-240-128-53.clients.tlt.100megabit.ru> has joined #manjaro[11:41:19] *** BoopyTheFox <BoopyTheFox!~Konversat@92-240-128-53.clients.tlt.100megabit.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:41:20] *** jonas18175 <jonas18175!~manjaro-k@p5DC3005B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[11:41:34] <mstruebing> i cant set a xdg default browser? anybody knows why? i tried : 'xdg-settings set default-web-browser chromium.desktop'[11:41:53] *** BoopyTheFox <BoopyTheFox!~Konversat@92-240-128-53.clients.tlt.100megabit.ru> has joined #manjaro[11:42:53] *** Nixola <Nixola!~nix@unaffiliated/nixola> has joined #manjaro[11:43:18] <Nixola> hi, I'm trying to build Android-x86 on Manjaro but I got an error (basically: jdk8 installed, use jdk7)[11:43:28] *** BoopyTheFox <BoopyTheFox!~Konversat@92-240-128-53.clients.tlt.100megabit.ru> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:43:29] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:43:41] <Nixola> so I removed jdk8, installed jdk7, opened a new bash instance (to update the env vars) but I still get that error[11:47:44] <Strit_Laptop> Nixola, did you set the new default environment+[11:48:11] <Nixola> oh, no I didn't, I thought that'd happen automatically since I have no other jdks installed[11:48:25] <Strit_Laptop> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/java#Change_default_Java_environment[11:48:25] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/LFwonO] Java - 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Has anyone else found backlight controls not working with kernel 4.7 (but fine with all kernels before that)?[13:44:33] *** Animtim_ <Animtim_!~timo@21-44-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:45:22] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[13:53:13] *** mr_jason <mr_jason!~mr_jason@114.111.166.51> has joined #manjaro[14:00:41] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:01:57] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:02:51] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@178.120.53.216> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:05:32] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[14:11:01] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[14:11:15] *** emigrantcz <emigrantcz!~emigrant@ip-37-221-248-225.cust.tlapnet.cz> has joined #manjaro[14:13:20] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has joined #manjaro[14:14:26] <Strit_Laptop> jonathon, haven't tried kernel 4.7 yet. Is it good otherwise?[14:15:13] <jonathon> i haven't tried it all that much - a too-bright screen puts me off too quickly :)[14:15:44] *** Matumaros <Matumaros!3e9fed02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.62.159.237.2> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:16:03] <jonathon> it used to happen in the early rcs of other kernels, this is the first time it has happened in a release[14:17:07] <Strit_Laptop> is 4.7 at release now?[14:17:11] <jonathon> yup[14:17:17] <jonathon> yesterday i think?[14:17:23] <jonathon> it's in unstable now too[14:17:33] <Strit_Laptop> Nice. I should install it on my "unstable" laptop. :)[14:23:32] *** dustcat <dustcat!~dust-cat@213.56.64.219> has joined #manjaro[14:28:32] *** Vinicius33 <Vinicius33!b1240f86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.177.36.15.134> has joined #manjaro[14:28:48] <Vinicius33> Hello[14:29:11] <jonathon> hi :)[14:29:12] *** sunitknandi <sunitknandi!~sunit@unaffiliated/sunitknandi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:29:39] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/superbia> has joined #manjaro[14:30:00] <Vinicius33> Does anyone here know if you can upgrade paragraph New Version do Manjaro via terminal?[14:30:23] <superbia> yes[14:30:59] <jonathon> what's paragraph?[14:31:19] <superbia> jonathon: you long way from home boy[14:31:26] <Vinicius33> What command would use for this?[14:31:26] <jonathon> yup[14:31:43] <superbia> jonathon: i thought you devs dont go down in the irc sewers that often[14:31:50] <jonathon> i'm not a dev[14:32:00] <superbia> maintainer/admin[14:32:03] <superbia> boss[14:32:34] *** Vinicius33 <Vinicius33!b1240f86@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.177.36.15.134> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:32:42] <jonathon> pfft. i've given up with the forum.[14:32:45] <jonathon> too much crap[14:34:05] <superbia> so now you want to convert to irc?[14:34:10] <jonathon> no[14:34:18] <jonathon> i've been on irc on-and-off for a long while[14:34:40] <jonathon> i only tend to join when i'm on another channel :)[14:35:14] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:35:14] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has quit IRC (Quit: Maintenance... 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ZZZzzz…)[16:41:58] <superbia> sup jonathon[16:42:01] <superbia> whaths not working[16:42:13] <jonathon> backlight control with kernel 4.7[16:42:17] <jonathon> probably just a driver thing[16:42:44] <superbia> can you cat /sys/backlight[16:42:51] <superbia> sys class[16:42:59] <superbia> wait[16:43:09] <superbia> ls /sys/class/backlight/[16:43:12] <jonathon> oh, not sure, i'm not running 4.7 atm (back in 4.6.4)[16:46:08] <Strit_Laptop> jonathon, also on nvidia drivers.[16:46:13] *** nielsk <nielsk!nielsk@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-opbycdksqizybjgm> has joined #manjaro[16:46:20] <jonathon> optimus?[16:46:22] <Strit_Laptop> yep[16:46:26] <jonathon> hmmm[16:46:30] <jonathon> interesting[16:46:42] <jonathon> any tweaks to GRUB_CMDLINE ?[16:46:54] <Strit_Laptop> nope. Running system defaults.[16:46:59] <jonathon> right[16:48:00] <Strit_Laptop> But I only have intel_backlight in /sys/class/backlight.[16:48:15] <superbia> yes that one works properly[16:48:38] <superbia> but why the fuck dont you just use cat > /sys/class/backlight/brightness[16:48:54] <jonathon> because i'm not running 4.7 currently :)[16:50:13] <Strit_Laptop> superbia, I don't have a brightness file in that folder. I only have the intel_brightness folder.[16:50:21] <superbia> yes[16:50:23] <superbia> open it[16:50:27] <superbia> and you have files there[16:50:28] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-143-212.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[16:50:32] <superbia> if you cat like 255[16:50:47] <Strit_Laptop> yes. I know. My backlight works fine. :P[16:53:38] *** dustcat <dustcat!~dust-cat@213.56.64.219> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[16:57:27] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@206.132.109.74> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:57:38] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@206.132.109.37> has joined #manjaro[17:02:15] <jonathon> right, let's do some rebooting[17:02:20] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has quit IRC (Quit: Quit)[17:04:09] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has joined #manjaro[17:04:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jonathon[17:05:57] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[17:05:57] <jonathon> alrighty, so I have /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness which changes to match the brightness settings (keys, brightness applet)[17:06:06] <jonathon> but it doesn't have any effect on the screen[17:06:28] <superbia> the thing is[17:06:31] *** Dude <Dude!4430d45f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.48.212.95> has joined #manjaro[17:06:34] <superbia> manjaro does shit not by cating[17:06:38] <superbia> to that files[17:06:41] <superbia> which would work[17:06:45] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has joined #manjaro[17:06:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v thenewone[17:06:49] <superbia> but they use something else which doesnt work[17:06:58] *** Dude <Dude!4430d45f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.68.48.212.95> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:07:16] <superbia> its the same story for past 4 years[17:11:22] <jonathon> right, let's try with acpi_backlight=video[17:11:29] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:18:21] *** Manj-811-Xfce3 <Manj-811-Xfce3!~derb@24.102.238.247.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net> has joined #manjaro[17:19:32] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has joined #manjaro[17:19:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jonathon[17:19:53] <jonathon> acpi_backlight=video seems to have fixed it (for me)[17:20:28] <jonathon> thanks both :)[17:21:10] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@2a02:908:fd62:1780:700:91a3:9c5a:f10a> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:26:04] *** Manj-811-Xfce3 <Manj-811-Xfce3!~derb@24.102.238.247.res-cmts.eph2.ptd.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:26:51] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@206.132.109.37> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[17:27:35] <superbia> np[17:29:01] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:30:50] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[17:34:00] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:34:39] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:38:51] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[17:39:22] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@181.88.178.117> has joined #manjaro[17:40:22] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@178.220.107.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:43:16] *** linux-user-rn <linux-user-rn!~linux-use@72.15.26.234> has joined #manjaro[17:45:03] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:48:37] *** `Eddie <`Eddie!~dedword@unaffiliated/eddie/x-2286721> has joined #manjaro[17:49:43] *** `Eddie <`Eddie!~dedword@unaffiliated/eddie/x-2286721> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:53:04] <Batch> i'm lookin for a solution to bypass this error and just force the boot[17:53:10] <Batch> jul 26 14:30:58 media systemd[1]: run-media-batch-CC3A8FC13A8FA6D4.mount: Job run-media-batch-CC3A8FC13A8FA6D4.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.[17:55:17] *** Diskord__ <Diskord__!~diskord@86.57.154.234> has joined #manjaro[18:01:01] <jonathon> my first thought is you have something in your /etc/fstab that's not connected to your machine[18:01:34] <Batch> jonathon yeah indeed[18:01:58] <Batch> nofail parameter in fstab sounds like something i need[18:02:53] *** mr_jason <mr_jason!~mr_jason@114.111.166.51> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[18:04:17] <Batch> x-systemd.device-timeout=1 is long 1 second or it is binary for On?[18:04:42] <jonathon> should be seconds[18:05:04] <Batch> oh oke thx jonathon[18:07:39] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@aftr-37-201-194-84.unity-media.net> has joined #manjaro[18:09:04] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:09:56] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.87> has joined #manjaro[18:10:10] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has joined #manjaro[18:10:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v thenewone[18:15:36] *** aniki_ <aniki_!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[18:15:38] *** aniki_ is now known as LyriCa[18:16:29] *** mr_jason <mr_jason!~mr_jason@114.111.166.50> has joined #manjaro[18:20:18] *** Holmes 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<atharva!~atharva@27.4.198.180> has joined #manjaro[18:32:49] <atharva> can someone give me the default mirrorlist file ?[18:33:18] <atharva> its located in /etc/pacman.d/[18:33:24] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@103.252.24.173> has left #manjaro ("leaving")[18:38:50] *** knutz <knutz!~manjaro-k@87-60-38-211-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #manjaro[18:41:21] <LyriCa> atharva[18:41:29] <LyriCa> did you find what u wre looking for?[18:41:44] <atharva> yes is did[18:41:49] <LyriCa> oh ok[18:41:55] <atharva> thanks though.[18:41:58] <LyriCa> kk[18:42:28] <atharva> i used pacman-mirrors if anyone's curious[18:42:33] <LyriCa> sweet[18:43:12] *** Ceber <Ceber!~PHP5-4-45@dslb-088-077-091-189.088.077.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:43:40] <atharva> ok bye![18:43:45] *** atharva <atharva!~atharva@27.4.198.180> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[18:45:00] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agtj51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[18:46:10] *** 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everybody needs somebody[18:52:54] <superbia> jonathon: if you want, you can be my friend[18:53:00] <mtn> ahhh[18:53:06] <jonathon> yeah![18:53:25] * jonathon does a fist pump[18:53:26] <superbia> mtn: sorry i only am friends with french people[18:53:36] <jonathon> oh, than i'm SoL[18:53:41] <mtn> superbia: sure, that makes sense ;)[18:53:55] <jonathon> s/than/then/[18:54:02] <superbia> jonathon: you are a brit, my sworn enemy[18:54:17] <superbia> + you maintain the manjaro forum[18:54:23] <jonathon> lol[18:54:29] <jonathon> i don't know which one is worse :)[18:54:41] <jonathon> plus i wouldn't say "maintain"[18:54:51] <jonathon> i just tried to keep some semblance of order[18:56:34] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@p2003008624205982D9B315AC9656B395.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[18:58:11] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:04:27] *** linuxc64 <linuxc64!~linuxc64@p57B69F50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:04:34] <linuxc64> Hi everyone[19:04:43] *** davidbe <davidbe!uid16063@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-akuafuekaxstwgsi> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:05:26] <jonathon> hey[19:05:32] <linuxc64> Being an active Linux user for more than 15 years now, I finally found Manjaro Linux to be the best distro for me considering many aspects[19:05:46] <jonathon> good to hear :)[19:07:13] <linuxc64> However, right now I'm using a quite old desktop computer, which has an nVidia GeForce 7025 / nForce 630 onboard graphic chipset[19:08:16] <linuxc64> And though I've tried a whole number of various Linux distros, they always freeze after X got started[19:08:29] <linuxc64> "nomodeset" or forcing vesa mode didn't help neither[19:09:03] *** HamRadio <HamRadio!~HamRadio@67.148.122.154> has joined #manjaro[19:09:20] <linuxc64> Before the system freezes, a flickering screen can be seen[19:09:56] <linuxc64> The ONLY distro which runs smoothly (though dmesg reports a bunch of errors related to the graphics controller) is ArchBang[19:10:15] <linuxc64> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lv13t6jd6kl7glg/AAABAyw3f0C6hSYHx8qNpuCia?dl=0[19:10:18] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/6CAAq3] Dropbox - Video problem[19:10:58] <linuxc64> All relevant screen photos are in this Dropbox folder[19:11:00] <mike-zal> linuxc64, you may try tiny core linux. that's extreme. whole system iso is 24MB...[19:11:29] <linuxc64> Yes, but both ArchBang and Manjaro are just Arch based distros - So why does ArchBang work while Manjaro won't?[19:11:40] <mike-zal> on manjaro you may try openbox WM for weak specs[19:11:58] <jonathon> mike-zal: that won't affect the graphics issue[19:12:03] *** peetaur <peetaur!~peter@p200300E10BC02F00667002FFFE2E10FC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:12:13] <jonathon> linuxc64: are you booting manjaro in 'free' or 'non-free' mode ?[19:12:16] *** dengomanolo <dengomanolo!bd4689b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.189.70.137.181> has joined #manjaro[19:12:33] *** dengomanolo <dengomanolo!bd4689b5@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.189.70.137.181> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:12:45] <mike-zal> there are lot of changes and although some say that manjaro is arch, there is too much differences to justify it. kernel is patched, some packages are patched, own repository with packages that are no available in arch one, etc.[19:12:47] <linuxc64> That doesn't make a difference, too. Would someone mind taking a short look at the screen photos I took?[19:13:00] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@80-121-64-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[19:13:05] <jonathon> what are we looking for in the screenshots?[19:13:14] <mike-zal> ok, shoot[19:13:15] <linuxc64> The video module used by ArchBang is nouveau[19:13:25] <linuxc64> dmesg and lsmod output[19:13:47] <jonathon> what kernel does archbang boot with?[19:13:55] <linuxc64> Did the link message come through?[19:14:03] <jonathon> yes[19:14:45] <linuxc64> Wait I'm in Windows right now, but I'll check which kernel version is currently used by the newest ArchBang release[19:15:12] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@109.201.154.247> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:15:38] <mike-zal> linuxc64, if your computer is so old, you may try old kernel as well[19:16:13] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@46.166.137.200> has joined #manjaro[19:16:36] <mike-zal> or like I said, tiny core linux. that might be better distro in such conditions. but don't expect usual, modern desktop in tiny core. it's very basic.[19:16:44] <mike-zal> but firefox will run[19:16:47] <linuxc64> I think it's linux 4.6.4-1, so a very new one[19:17:12] <linuxc64> What's the current Manjaro Kernel?[19:17:23] <jonathon> The 16.06 images have 4.4[19:17:34] <mike-zal> 4.4 is LTS, but there is 4.5 and 4.6 and older ones[19:17:49] <jonathon> 15.12 has 4.1[19:18:16] <mike-zal> and probably you install some 3.x kernels[19:18:29] <jonathon> if archbang runs with 4.6.4 then manjaro should too[19:18:43] <linuxc64> That's what I thought too[19:18:46] <mike-zal> not really[19:18:51] <jonathon> i'm surprised booting with free drivers doesn't work[19:18:55] <mike-zal> manjaro has patched kernel[19:18:58] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.0.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:19:13] <mike-zal> so there is I/O scheduler which usual arch kernel doesn't have[19:19:21] <mike-zal> that can be a problem for old computer[19:19:31] <mike-zal> and some other patches[19:19:34] <jonathon> right - so do any patches affect graphics?[19:19:45] <jonathon> older kernels will still be patched[19:19:58] <mike-zal> maybe, can't say for sure. I/O scheduler affects speed and memory management[19:20:03] <linuxc64> The error reported by the kernel is "noueau [...] MMI write of [...] FAULT at [...][19:20:08] <linuxc64> Could it be related to this?[19:20:30] <mike-zal> old kernels may not be patched. old manjaro was more close to arch then it is now[19:20:45] *** GeekK <GeekK!~opera@195-241-135-183.ip.telfort.nl> has joined #manjaro[19:20:51] *** GeekK <GeekK!~opera@195-241-135-183.ip.telfort.nl> has left #manjaro[19:20:53] <jonathon> i'd just start up manjaro in init 3 then try to start x manually[19:21:01] <jonathon> that should give you a starting point for debugging[19:21:08] <linuxc64> That's a good point I guess[19:21:10] <mike-zal> linuxc64, you can install multiple kernels and boot with them to see if there is any change. it shouldn't hurt.[19:22:03] <linuxc64> It's not probably that the current 4.4 kernel Manjaro comes with doesn't work, while the 4.6 kernel would work?[19:22:17] <linuxc64> *probable[19:22:40] <jonathon> if archbang boots with 4.6 it's worth trying manjaro with 4.6[19:22:53] <jonathon> also, mike-zal's suggestion of trying older kernels too[19:23:07] *** CykloTronic86 <CykloTronic86!~CykloTron@ip175-241-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl> has joined #manjaro[19:23:26] <linuxc64> Ok, I'm gonna try both as well as starting from init 3 for further debugging[19:23:29] <linuxc64> Thanks so far![19:23:34] *** linuxc64 <linuxc64!~linuxc64@p57B69F50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC ()[19:23:40] <jonathon> no wirries, let us know how you get on[19:23:45] <jonathon> lol[19:25:16] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[19:25:20] *** CykloTronic86 <CykloTronic86!~CykloTron@ip175-241-58-62.adsl.versatel.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:27:49] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[19:29:22] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@5ED04C09.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #manjaro[19:30:31] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@5ED04C09.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:30:47] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:30:49] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E604.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:32:08] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.87> has joined #manjaro[19:32:10] <flipper-maniac> hey guys, where do I have to place systemd --user services in Cinnamon? http://hastebin.com/uvamohotit.avrasm[19:32:11] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/sp1AzL] hastebin[19:33:03] *** shuman <shuman!~shuman@d88-44.icpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[19:33:54] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@p2003008624205982D9B315AC9656B395.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:39:03] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:39:07] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~stuart@199.116.225.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[19:39:21] *** Lukimya <Lukimya!~pc@cable-roi-58c037-180.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined #manjaro[19:39:21] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Lukimya[19:40:27] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.150.148> has joined #manjaro[19:42:00] *** BillyZane2 <BillyZane2!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has joined #manjaro[19:42:24] <flipper-maniac> ok I got it working after: systemctl daemon-reload --user[19:43:27] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:43:35] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p57A3E604.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:44:48] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[19:44:57] <Nixola> so, I'm still trying to build Android[19:45:17] <Nixola> but Python can't find mako.template even though it is installed[19:46:26] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has joined #manjaro[19:46:46] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #manjaro[19:47:33] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@80-121-64-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[19:47:40] *** Infinital <Infinital!~Infinital@unaffiliated/infinital> has joined #manjaro[19:49:42] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has left #manjaro[19:50:28] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has joined #manjaro[19:52:17] *** johnc4510 <johnc4510!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[19:52:40] *** johnc4510 is now known as Guest35225[19:53:15] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~stuart@199.116.225.253> has joined #manjaro[19:53:55] *** Guest35225 <Guest35225!~johnc4510@ip72-200-81-35.tc.ph.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:57:06] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@p20030086242059824D62E61ABFD173EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:57:39] <BillyZane2> hello[19:57:57] <jonathon> hello[19:58:02] <BillyZane2> I'm trying to get my USB analoge controller working[19:58:10] <BillyZane2> I typed "sudo modprobe joydev"[19:58:32] <jonathon> Nixola: which python interpreters are you using? e.g. is mako.template installed for python2 or python3?[19:59:12] <BillyZane2> modprobe: FATAL: Module joydev not found in directory /lib/modules/3.19.8.12-1-MANJARO[19:59:23] <BillyZane2> and sure enough it's not in there[19:59:28] <linux-dream> #manjaro-fr[20:00:15] <BillyZane2> is there a way to download kernel modules?[20:01:40] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@80-121-64-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[20:02:53] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:04:06] <peetaur> BillyZane2: is it listed here? zgrep -i joy /proc/config.gz[20:04:07] <jonathon> output of `lsmod | grep joydev` ?[20:04:19] <BillyZane2> one sec[20:04:22] <jonathon> pretty sure it's included in the kernel[20:04:37] <jonathon> probably worth trying a newer kernel than 3.19[20:04:49] <BillyZane2> CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV=m[20:04:56] <BillyZane2> peetaur, yeah i see it[20:05:11] <BillyZane2> there was a bunch of stuff there, but the first line it listed was "CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV=m[20:05:11] <BillyZane2> "[20:05:24] <peetaur> BillyZane2: and there's no file /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/input/joydev.ko.gz ?[20:05:27] <peetaur> mine is also m and has that[20:05:37] <BillyZane2> let me check[20:05:57] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has joined #manjaro[20:05:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v thenewone[20:05:57] <peetaur> and what is uname -r... is it 3.19.8.12-1-MANJARO?[20:06:14] <dodgejcr> morning![20:06:45] <BillyZane2> peetaur, 3.19.8.12-1 MANJARO[20:06:47] <peetaur> well bad question... did you update the kernel and just didn't reboot yet? that'll cause that[20:07:05] <peetaur> latest linux319 is 3.19.8.23-1[20:07:30] <peetaur> (and I think manjaro and arch do it wrong to remove the running kernel when you update.. it should keep it until the new one boots)[20:07:37] <BillyZane2> peetaur, that file is in that directory, joydev.ko.gz[20:07:50] <BillyZane2> peetaur, oh... yes that oculd have been it[20:07:55] <BillyZane2> i updated recently -.-[20:08:00] <BillyZane2> i'm going to reboot now, LOL[20:08:19] <peetaur> ok, but then that file shouldn't have existed[20:09:23] <Nixola> jonathon: I installed python2-mako[20:09:23] *** BillyZane3 <BillyZane3!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has joined #manjaro[20:09:31] <BillyZane3> ok I rebooted[20:09:38] <BillyZane3> I will tyr to modprobe[20:09:48] <BillyZane3> no issues[20:10:38] <BillyZane3> joystick working![20:10:53] <BillyZane3> ok I will now open up my second USB joystick and see if I can get both working at once, haa[20:10:56] <BillyZane3> *haha[20:10:59] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@p20030086242059824D62E61ABFD173EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:12:10] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux-dre@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:13:03] *** BillyZane2 <BillyZane2!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:14:51] *** linux-user-rn <linux-user-rn!~linux-use@72.15.26.234> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:15:33] *** Spec-Chum <Spec-Chum!~Russ@host86-145-189-236.range86-145.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[20:15:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Spec-Chum[20:19:59] <Nixola> jonathon: I also installed python-mako[20:20:07] <Nixola> same issue[20:21:22] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[20:22:06] *** linux-user-rn <linux-user-rn!~linux-use@72.15.26.234> has joined #manjaro[20:22:07] *** ravenow <ravenow!~ravenow@213.24.133.11> has joined #manjaro[20:22:10] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-nxwtwmmuirwcwonu> has joined #manjaro[20:23:22] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[20:24:07] * Strit_Laptop is watching Men's Room 2 (2015).[20:26:17] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13358.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:26:46] *** NoirLess <NoirLess!~noirless@178.71.117.147> has joined #manjaro[20:27:09] *** NoirLess is now known as we55[20:27:22] <we55> when last update was?[20:27:57] <mtn> we55: the blog will tell you. it was last month[20:28:04] <we55> according to manjaro site, it was few days ago, but my pacman (and pamac) still says, that everything updated[20:28:29] <we55> mtn, https://manjaro.github.io/Manjaro-16.08-pre1-released/ isnt it?[20:28:29] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/N2UUbI] Manjaro Linux 16.08-pre1 released – Manjaro Linux – Enjoy the simplicity[20:29:16] <we55> because plasma in repos is still 5.6.5, for example[20:29:30] <mtn> we55: that is a pre-release, not part of the main distro. it is for testing, I believe[20:29:43] <we55> mtn, ah, okay than. Thanks[20:29:49] *** we55 <we55!~noirless@178.71.117.147> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:33:09] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@pD9FB1AC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[20:33:20] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@pD9FB1AC0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:35:57] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@67.208.183.158> has joined #manjaro[20:36:13] <manjaro-kde5> Hello[20:37:31] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xmeuilsvmlcanzmo> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[20:37:46] *** _thelion1 <_thelion1!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[20:39:19] *** ben_chile <ben_chile!~lenovo@181.226.63.237> has joined #manjaro[20:39:27] <ben_chile> hello guys[20:39:37] <manjaro-kde5> what's up[20:39:42] *** paulmcquad <paulmcquad!~gamer@78.19.140.60> has joined #manjaro[20:39:44] <mtn> the sky[20:39:51] <ben_chile> the sea[20:39:54] <ben_chile> lol[20:39:55] <mtn> airpalnes, sometimes[20:40:40] <manjaro-kde5> as above, so below[20:40:49] <ben_chile> I should have said : the clouds grrr[20:41:06] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@80-121-64-182.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[20:41:08] *** paulmcquad <paulmcquad!~gamer@78.19.140.60> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:41:35] *** paulmcquad <paulmcquad!~gamer@78.19.140.60> has joined #manjaro[20:41:41] <mtn> silly questions get silly answers[20:41:58] <manjaro-kde5> I second that statement[20:42:00] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has joined #manjaro[20:42:03] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:42:20] <ben_chile> guys which community edition is the easiest to customize with your own apps wishlist ?[20:42:44] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[20:43:08] <ben_chile> because I got dissappointed with official ones[20:43:36] <ben_chile> dont like that application dependencies idea at all[20:45:09] *** jjg1965 <jjg1965!~ajcortes@188.211.239.34> has joined #manjaro[20:45:36] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.225.139> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:46:21] *** paulmcquad <paulmcquad!~gamer@78.19.140.60> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:46:49] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@43-27-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #manjaro[20:47:03] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:47:35] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@43-27-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:47:37] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has joined #manjaro[20:47:41] <ben_chile> hmm did you get sorethroat ? no opinions ?[20:48:14] *** jjg1965 <jjg1965!~ajcortes@188.211.239.34> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:49:11] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:51:19] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[20:52:33] *** _thelion1 <_thelion1!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[20:52:54] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[20:53:33] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:53:49] *** slentzen <slentzen!~slentzen@port-ip-213-211-235-86.reverse.mdcc-fun.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:54:58] <mike-zal> I learned that on ubunti bumblebee is depreciated and they use nvidia-prime. doesn anyone know any of it and how it works on arch systems?[20:55:33] <ben_chile> hello mike-zal how you doing ?[20:55:36] <mtn> mike-zal: have you looked at the arch wiki?[20:56:36] <mike-zal> hi ben_chile, good. testing heresy on this channel, that is new ubuntu :P[20:56:46] <ben_chile> mike -zal I tried manjaro kde 16.06 but got dissappointed cause of the applications dependencies...[20:57:03] <ben_chile> lol heresy ? mike -zal[20:57:18] <mike-zal> mtn, no.. I know I should. I was just suprised. was trying to get bumblebee works and to my frustration I couldn't. then someone said about this nvidia-prime and was suprised.[20:57:28] <ben_chile> you mean ubuntu 16.04 xenial ?[20:57:28] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[20:57:56] <ben_chile> what is that nvidia-prime thing ?[20:58:51] *** SovietShaman_ is now known as CommunistWitchDr[20:59:07] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[20:59:31] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@67.208.183.158> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:00:17] <mike-zal> from what I see, nvidia-prime is the long-term solution for nvidia optimus technology, while bumblebee is temporal solution[21:01:07] <mike-zal> the difference I noticed so far is, that you can launch nvidia panel and switch nvidia or intel with gui and also create some profiles (probably programs run with nvidia)[21:01:47] <mike-zal> so that seems more user friendly and easier solution then bumblebee that needs primusrun to start in terminal or with config files[21:02:14] <mike-zal> however I don't see much in arch wiki... as if it was not available on arch systems.[21:03:16] <ben_chile> thanks for light mike -zal[21:03:42] <ben_chile> so this nvidia orime sounds better fun and easier as well[21:03:46] <mike-zal> this is strange. not sure if that's the same: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME[21:03:47] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/9joNa2] PRIME - ArchWiki[21:04:13] <mike-zal> in ubuntu they have simply nvidia-prime package[21:05:15] <ben_chile> hmm not sure about that wiki it says about radeon but nvidia is different[21:05:47] <mike-zal> and they must have it from long time. I recall have it on mint now, because I was able to switch between cards easily with gui and I was completely newbie back then. so I was suprised to see that nothing like that exists in manjaro and forgot about it, then learned about bumblebee and somehow I still didn't remeber that gui switching thing.[21:06:36] <ben_chile> wow long time ago[21:07:07] <ben_chile> that wiki prime does not look stable and it works very slow[21:07:20] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[21:07:27] <mike-zal> anyway, the lack of hybrid on ubuntu was my major issue, because I was trying to use bumblebee like on manjaro. in fact in ubuntu 14.04 bumblebee worked but since 16.04 it doesn't and that's by the design[21:08:04] <mike-zal> maybe that is why arch didn't considered it seriously. from what I can see this prime drivers still has its issues.[21:08:22] <ben_chile> mike -zal have you installed manajro by using manjaro net iso ?[21:08:45] <mike-zal> still, it would be nice to have a choice but so far it looks like we are forced with bumblebee on arch and with prime on ubuntu[21:08:57] <ben_chile> I think so[21:08:57] <mike-zal> ben_chile, I have in VB, yes[21:09:21] <mike-zal> had some issues at the begining because I wasn't understanding how it works[21:09:27] <ben_chile> mike -zal was it easy to follow ?[21:09:36] <mike-zal> not sure if I still remeber what I have learned... :P[21:09:36] <ben_chile> omg[21:09:42] <ben_chile> lol[21:09:45] <mike-zal> it was 2 months ago[21:10:16] <mike-zal> anyway, you just install net and you end in tty, without DE[21:10:17] <ben_chile> mike -zal sometimes vb installing are the same as the actual ones[21:10:49] <ben_chile> is there a chance to install a DE from a menu before ending the process ?[21:11:04] <mike-zal> so you need to manually add DE and DM, maybe gpu drivers (not sure if I added them manually by mhwd or where they there from the start)>[21:11:15] <mike-zal> no[21:11:21] <ben_chile> I see[21:11:23] <mike-zal> you finish install, then reboot[21:11:32] <mike-zal> and then DE install from tty[21:11:33] <ben_chile> hmmm that will take longer[21:12:10] <ben_chile> any manjaro minimal from a community edition that you can recommend ?[21:12:15] <mike-zal> I am not sure if that was the issue. somehow it took some time till I figured it out. previosly I though that net was somehow broken on my hardaware[21:12:36] <mike-zal> ah, probably because was trying nvidia instead bumblebee so DM was not starting[21:12:43] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@178.220.106.112> has joined #manjaro[21:12:54] <ben_chile> I see[21:12:58] <mike-zal> so after I learned how to use mhwd I was able to run DE in net install[21:13:10] <mike-zal> so I guess drivers werent installed out of the box[21:13:27] <mike-zal> however X was as I recall, but don't quote me on that[21:13:55] <mike-zal> so anyway, just one simple command to install gpu drivers was needed beforee running DE[21:14:05] <ben_chile> I am installing in an intel graphics and processor so I should have no issues[21:14:12] <mike-zal> you can find it in manjaro wiki, look for mhwd[21:14:16] <ben_chile> I hope so[21:14:29] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[21:14:56] <ben_chile> I am also considering manjaro deepin minimal iso[21:15:53] <mike-zal> anyway, back to my ubuntu test... you know how people criticized it at first after release. now all issues seem to be fixed, maybe aside lack of broadcome drivers.[21:16:19] <mike-zal> now ununtu seems to work fine, in fact thatre is visible improvment[21:16:33] <ben_chile> cool[21:17:19] <ben_chile> I installed ubuntu xenial for a server and for my wife's laptop[21:17:25] <mike-zal> 1. it's fast, it's REALLY FAST, faster then manjaro... that is a shock. can you imagine? unity is just working almost like on ssd for me. maybe not the boot speed but the rest is just fluent and instant.[21:17:30] <ben_chile> they are working good[21:17:45] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bzgwrbjqcvaawbbh> has joined #manjaro[21:18:15] <mike-zal> 2. it's more configurable now. you can switch dock with unity tweak and some other things also have gui (they didn't after release)[21:18:46] <mike-zal> so unity is not such pain in the ass as before. ironically not many do the dock switch now..[21:19:29] <mike-zal> 3. dash is working better now. no lagginess, showing only computer resources, no amazon shitty results[21:19:56] <mike-zal> system is stable and issues free from the most time[21:19:59] <ben_chile> number 3 sounds good news to me[21:21:04] <mike-zal> however it's still ubuntu and you need to spend lot of time configuring it, because there are some old stupid lacks and settings (guess account, dots in DM, lack of dconf editor, lack of some extended repos and many more)[21:21:05] *** GenZai <GenZai!~emil@mnt60-1-88-186-66-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[21:22:00] <mike-zal> in manjaro all you need is to install your programs and do some basic settings and that's all. quick and easy. on ubuntu you just needs lot of time on it.[21:22:29] <conor> terminal based email clients, suggestions?[21:22:40] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[21:23:56] <jonathon> mutt[21:23:58] <superbia> jonathon: up?[21:24:40] *** lifernux_ <lifernux_!~quassel@192.85-87-24.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es> has joined #manjaro[21:24:56] <ben_chile> saludos superbia[21:25:05] <superbia> muchos gracias senor[21:25:20] <conor> mutt it is then[21:26:41] <ben_chile> mutt sounds a great choice[21:27:16] <ben_chile> "All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less." -me, circa 1995[21:27:22] <ben_chile> lol[21:28:11] *** w30 <w30!~Dubal@2601:245:8100:2347::1> has joined #manjaro[21:28:44] *** BillyZane3 <BillyZane3!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:29:18] *** becca_ <becca_!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[21:30:44] <mike-zal> hehe, the one is thunderbird[21:30:53] *** xspeed <xspeed!~xsp@89.222.181.124> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:31:24] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[21:31:31] <ben_chile> thunder thunder thunder thunderbirdd AHHHHHhh[21:31:36] <ben_chile> lol[21:31:48] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@p54BB3E23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[21:31:55] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@p54BB3E23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:32:23] <ben_chile> hmmm interesting I did not know about a cinnamon minimal iso[21:32:51] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[21:33:29] <ben_chile> do you think there are official minimal versions to download ?[21:33:55] <mike-zal> the best minimal is net ;)[21:33:55] *** itsesc <itsesc!~manjaro-i@p54BB3E23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[21:34:00] *** itsesc <itsesc!~manjaro-i@p54BB3E23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has left #manjaro[21:34:08] *** BillyZane3 <BillyZane3!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has joined #manjaro[21:34:20] <jonathon> ^ that[21:35:20] <superbia> thow can cinnamon be minimal[21:35:23] <ben_chile> I meant minimal isos ..with DE & DM inlcuded[21:35:44] <ben_chile> *included[21:35:58] <ben_chile> I am downloading it now[21:36:01] <jonathon> the dev iso images can be minimal (xfce and kde)[21:36:11] <ben_chile> superbia I will tell you later[21:36:21] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[21:36:22] <superbia> im not interested m9[21:36:30] <mike-zal> never saw community minimal iso[21:36:43] *** Lukimya <Lukimya!~pc@cable-roi-58c037-180.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:36:54] <ben_chile> the 1st community minimal I tried was deepin mike -zal[21:37:23] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:37:27] <ben_chile> and I just found cinnamon 16.02[21:37:42] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has joined #manjaro[21:37:56] <superbia> jonathon: so whaths your thing, anime?[21:38:28] *** iv3ct <iv3ct!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[21:38:43] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[21:38:48] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has joined #manjaro[21:38:50] <jonathon> used to be[21:38:56] <jonathon> haven't watched any for a while[21:39:06] <superbia> so what you doing now?[21:39:12] <superbia> get married?[21:39:20] <superbia> go+t[21:39:22] <superbia> ?[21:39:25] <jonathon> life and work, yeah[21:39:34] <superbia> xD[21:39:56] <superbia> i remmember once in the past one of the dev team said: my work is moving stuff from A to B[21:40:02] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.6.68.73> has joined #manjaro[21:40:04] <superbia> mostly bags of dirt[21:40:24] <jonathon> fun[21:40:30] *** Fooguo <Fooguo!~Fooguo@97-113-67-110.tukw.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:41:09] <mike-zal> ben_chile, oberon's editions are special :), no irony there[21:41:22] <superbia> then he went to fun2[21:41:40] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:41:49] <ben_chile> mike -zal I know what you mean[21:41:56] *** Fooguo <Fooguo!~Fooguo@97-113-67-110.tukw.qwest.net> has joined #manjaro[21:42:37] <ben_chile> I was waiting for manjaro pantheon to come up as stable[21:42:47] <ben_chile> still waiting[21:42:49] <ben_chile> lol[21:42:50] <superbia> but then it dunked[21:42:50] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has joined #manjaro[21:43:00] <ben_chile> yeahh[21:43:02] <superbia> pahtneon was a thing like 2 years ago[21:43:29] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::ffac> has joined #manjaro[21:43:33] <ben_chile> I tried last update in December 2015 I guess[21:43:57] <ben_chile> or was it in May 2016[21:44:29] <mike-zal> pantheon is no longer a most beautiful DE out there. it looks a bit old by default. you need to tweak it to look fresh.[21:45:37] <superbia> mike-zal: are you up for a screenshot war[21:45:54] <ben_chile> I agree with you Mike.. and you are a KDE tweaking artist[21:46:04] <superbia> mike-zal: the rules are as following, everyone has to post a screenshot with just "screenfetch ran in the terminal"[21:46:13] <mike-zal> lol, let's give it a try but everyone has own taste and from what I can remeber, yours is very different[21:46:38] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has joined #manjaro[21:47:02] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:48:18] <superbia> mike-zal: il go first[21:48:26] <mike-zal> besides, my summer wallpapers are "summery" so like a tropical paradise. in winter I will have winter, mountains, arctic, etc.[21:49:01] <superbia> http://imgur.com/a/9gZPs[21:49:02] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/vqOWTb] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[21:49:56] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::ffac> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:50:29] <mike-zal> my turn: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0hhwmboevn0jqd2/Zrzut%20ekranu%20z%202016-07-26%2007-07-33.png?dl=0[21:50:30] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/IaEOL8] Dropbox - Zrzut ekranu z 2016-07-26 07-07-33.png[21:50:53] <Batch> what happend too my grub...?[21:51:01] <Batch> :D[21:51:06] <ben_chile> superbia it looks suoerb[21:51:33] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-143-212.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:51:33] *** becca_ <becca_!~becca@66-169-18-107.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:51:51] <mike-zal> like I said, each to his/her own[21:52:19] <mike-zal> I like photos instead graphics[21:52:27] <superbia> mike-zal: nobody uses #manjaro[21:52:32] <mike-zal> lol[21:52:33] <superbia> ben_chile: your turn porfavor[21:53:18] *** Infinital <Infinital!~Infinital@unaffiliated/infinital> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:53:45] <mike-zal> superbia, I do use, but not today. playing with new ubuntu, which is imo quite solid distro. still has some lacks like every distro[21:54:12] <linux-user-rn> which version of ubuntu?[21:55:24] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[21:55:45] <mike-zal> 16.04[21:55:57] *** BillyZane3 <BillyZane3!~BillyZane@unaffiliated/billyzane> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:56:08] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[21:56:23] <mike-zal> it's finally out of infancy so now it looks and behaves solid. and it's insanly fast[21:57:01] <mike-zal> superbia, give new screen. ben_chile will have to catch up[21:57:14] <superbia> mike-zal: new screen of what?[21:57:20] <superbia> mike-zal: you want to see some stuff opened?[21:57:27] <mike-zal> lol[21:57:43] <mike-zal> I thought that war implies more effort then just one screen[21:57:54] <mike-zal> I have more under my palm[21:58:01] <linux-user-rn> I'm dualbooting with lubuntu 16.04, I swictched to manjaro because it felt slow and buggy.[21:58:18] <ben_chile> lol superbia & mike zal I am just a regular wallpaper user http://i.imgur.com/jbV6i0F.png[21:58:18] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/JzasDl] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[21:58:26] <mike-zal> but I'm not orignal. summer wallpapers with transparent themes and flat icons[21:58:41] <ben_chile> catch up omg[21:59:03] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[21:59:15] <superbia> you guys are so bad[21:59:17] <mike-zal> uh, ben, you're out.[21:59:28] <superbia> last time we had these competitons it looked like /r/unixporn[21:59:37] <ben_chile> hahahahaa[21:59:50] <mike-zal> superbia, I don't smoke weed these days so my wallpapers are not so trippy ;)[21:59:57] <superbia> mike-zal: np i can change mine[22:00:32] <mike-zal> mine next will be lxqt, this time on manjaro[22:00:53] <ben_chile> as I was sent out I will continue trying this cinnamon minimal in vb for these minutes lol[22:01:54] <mike-zal> my porn wouldn't be so artistic, but blunt. not a good choice for wallpaper so I can't get into competition when it goes for sexy stuff.[22:02:05] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@181.88.178.117> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:02:55] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:04:26] <superbia> NSFW wallpapper changed http://imgur.com/a/HegXv[22:04:27] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/fhOWso] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[22:04:38] <mike-zal> lol, I just noticed. on manjaro I have 3 DEs, lot of programs, many from aur and yet I have ca. 1600 packages but on newly installed ubuntu with unity only I have almost 2300 packages... talking about bloat...[22:04:58] <mike-zal> my turn: http://i.imgur.com/Uk7OJVY.png[22:04:59] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/4cmim3] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[22:05:32] <mike-zal> superbia, this one is finally photo, you win ;)[22:05:33] <superbia> mike-zal: you are improving[22:06:32] <superbia> mike-zal: we still take submissions, let other people submit the photos[22:06:33] <mike-zal> not sure if I can show anything new, rest are old screen shoots that you probably saw many times.[22:07:14] <mike-zal> yeah, join the competition, show your desktop. one rule, has to be better then ben_chile's one ;)[22:07:25] <mike-zal> sorry ben_chile ;P[22:07:37] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has left #manjaro[22:07:50] <mike-zal> it's not enough just to change wallpaper[22:08:13] <ben_chile> mike -zal I ve never improved much my desktop[22:08:47] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has joined #manjaro[22:09:02] <ben_chile> when I was using debian 6 I tried to impress at that time[22:09:21] <ben_chile> yours look amazing[22:09:23] <mike-zal> I can't help it, looks matters to me so I have to have good looking desktops (for my taste) so I always tweak them. usual themes and icons suck[22:09:33] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@209.198.200.228> has joined #manjaro[22:09:52] <mike-zal> I just try to impress myself ;P[22:10:21] <mike-zal> I know that superbia doesn't like it but I like my desktops and that's what matters.[22:10:25] <ben_chile> I still recall your kde desktop[22:10:39] <mike-zal> yeah, like that? ;) http://i.imgur.com/DHBy61B.png[22:10:40] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/VhVHAx] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[22:10:49] <ben_chile> the one you showed with that transparent panel and[22:11:04] <ben_chile> I did like that one[22:11:39] <superbia> mike-zal: my terminals aint transparent[22:11:43] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:11:49] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #manjaro[22:11:49] <superbia> mike-zal: they are only 95% transparent[22:11:56] <superbia> i am lying they are transparent[22:11:58] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has joined #manjaro[22:12:08] <mike-zal> if terminal can't be transparent, I can't use it :P[22:12:32] <mike-zal> you just covered it just to keep some shreds of decency here ;)[22:12:55] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:13:17] <superbia> no[22:13:23] <superbia> i have like 5% transparency[22:13:31] <superbia> you can only see the outlines of the desktop[22:14:41] <superbia> mike-zal: we buddies right?[22:14:50] *** flipper <flipper!~filip-cin@95.211.168.228> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:14:51] <mike-zal> I admit, so strong transparency has some flaws[22:15:01] <mike-zal> superbia, why not :)[22:15:11] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-187-108.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:15:18] <superbia> pm[22:15:20] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-187-108.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[22:15:21] <mike-zal> ok[22:15:32] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-nxwtwmmuirwcwonu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:16:39] <superbia> mike-zal: when i used herbst luft wm http://i.imgur.com/e0HIZ9m.png[22:16:40] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/RvvmIP] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[22:16:50] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[22:17:42] <mike-zal> superbia, I know that one. it's... original. not my taste thou. I would go crazy watching all those pixels and colors.[22:18:33] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.6.68.73> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:18:43] <superbia> its analog-digital[22:18:54] <mike-zal> since we are on old and known screens: http://i.imgur.com/iemr4Zh.png[22:18:55] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/epChv8] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[22:19:08] <superbia> mike-zal: did i ever show you an album with people's computers?[22:19:16] <mike-zal> yes, it's quite fitting for a geek ;)[22:19:25] <superbia> mike-zal: well i updated the thread[22:19:38] <mike-zal> heh? I think not.[22:19:49] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.6.68.73> has joined #manjaro[22:20:01] <mike-zal> you mean like you collected people's screens?[22:21:00] <superbia> mike-zal: tell me what you think[22:21:04] <superbia> when you go over all of them[22:21:55] <manjaro-kde5_> can anyone tell me why updates on a new Manjaro install are failing[22:22:07] <manjaro-kde5_> issues with gssproxy and gsstreamer[22:22:36] <manjaro-kde5_> (250/250) checking package integrity [#######################################################################################] 100%[22:22:38] <manjaro-kde5_> error: gssproxy: signature from "Andreas Radke <andyrtr at archlinux dot org>" is invalid[22:22:39] <manjaro-kde5_> :: File /var/cache/pacman/pkg/gssproxy-0.5.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (PGP signature)).[22:24:16] *** _thelion_ <_thelion_!~Matthias@188-22-6-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[22:24:17] <peetaur> manjaro-kde5_: answer yes when it asks to delete it, run this:[22:24:22] <mike-zal> probably that's a package from AUR[22:24:25] <mike-zal> and that is why[22:24:42] <peetaur> sudo pacman -S archlinux-keyring manjaro-keyring; sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux manjaro; sudo pacman-key --refresh-keys[22:24:55] <mike-zal> they are sometimes broken or new updates mess them so the old one was working and new version is not[22:25:08] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[22:25:12] <peetaur> I don't think it has any sig if it's from aur... the sigs are in the repo metadata, and aur doens't have one[22:25:17] <mike-zal> I don't think that refreshing keys will help in that case[22:25:34] <peetaur> manjaro-kde5_: and then pacman -Syyu again and it should work[22:25:53] <mike-zal> ok, maybe you have right peetaur[22:26:23] <peetaur> I once wrote a script that parses the metadata and checks sigs :)[22:26:39] <peetaur> just gunzip, grep a line, and some field is the sig or something like that[22:26:48] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:26:48] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:26:53] <peetaur> but you build aur packages yourself and so there's no signature[22:28:44] *** manjaro-web|9692 <manjaro-web|9692!58b3301d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.179.48.29> has joined #manjaro[22:29:03] *** manjaro-web|9692 <manjaro-web|9692!58b3301d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.179.48.29> has left #manjaro[22:29:10] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.150.148> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:29:14] *** manj-1509-Lxde1 <manj-1509-Lxde1!~manjaro@dynamic-acs-24-101-68-45.zoominternet.net> has joined #manjaro[22:29:41] *** manj-1509-Lxde1 <manj-1509-Lxde1!~manjaro@dynamic-acs-24-101-68-45.zoominternet.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:31:35] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.6.68.73> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:32:53] *** hoagies <hoagies!~michael@186.82.70.156> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:35:35] *** jonathon <jonathon!~jonathonf@unaffiliated/jonathon> has joined #manjaro[22:35:35] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v jonathon[22:36:20] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@185.118.249.49> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:37:47] <manjaro-kde5_> Thanks peetaur[22:39:09] *** Kranix <Kranix!~magnus@185.118.249.49> has joined #manjaro[22:41:08] <manjaro-kde5_> btw that didn't work peetaur, same error[22:41:31] <manjaro-kde5_> think I will wait on another manjaro build, this is frustrating for a new user[22:41:36] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[22:41:36] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[22:41:49] <peetaur> paste the output of the big long series of commands?[22:41:54] <peetaur> if one failed just rerun that part[22:42:17] <peetaur> and is there another message other than the "... is corrupted (invalid.." ?[22:42:37] <manjaro-kde5_> ok one sec peetaur[22:43:11] <Diskord__> How can i change Thunar background colour?[22:43:16] <manjaro-kde5_> http://pastebin.com/tvcphbvw[22:43:17] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/cUqnQr] Possible Spam Detected[22:43:23] <manjaro-kde5_> there you go peetaur[22:43:44] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:43:57] <manjaro-kde5_> I really like Manjaro KDE[22:44:21] <peetaur> "Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter...."[22:44:35] *** Donny <Donny!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has joined #manjaro[22:44:37] <peetaur> can you use a non-retarded pastebin plz? https://bpaste.net[22:44:37] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/WxqdPz] new at bpaste[22:44:38] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:45:00] <peetaur> they are truly retarded, not just a subjective opinon, if they call READING your paste spam, rather than submitting one. wtf[22:45:13] *** Donny is now known as Donny-Stark[22:45:23] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-143-212.cust.tele2.ee> has joined #manjaro[22:46:05] <linux-user-rn> How can I get bash auto completeshion that is more like ubuntu?[22:46:19] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:46:34] *** Donny-Stark <Donny-Stark!~Donny-Sta@s51445dab.adsl.online.nl> has joined #manjaro[22:46:58] <linux-user-rn> or is there a good zsh configuration guide?[22:47:47] <manjaro-kde5_> ohh ok peetaur pasting now one sec[22:48:25] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~goosegrea@75-140-111-38.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:48:36] <manjaro-kde5_> https://bpaste.net/show/f69e1626d963[22:48:37] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/IzhiXo] show at bpaste[22:48:45] <manjaro-kde5_> here just sent peetaur[22:49:06] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~goosegrea@75-140-111-38.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[22:49:11] *** Deepin1603 <Deepin1603!~Manjarous@ppp91-78-201-160.pppoe.mtu-net.ru> has joined #manjaro[22:51:26] *** manjaro-web|9175 <manjaro-web|9175!c8544ce0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.200.84.76.224> has joined #manjaro[22:52:13] <peetaur> manjaro-kde5_: k, so I don't see any useful errors.... and so I tried installing on mine and it works.[22:52:47] <manjaro-kde5_> hummm ok I will download another image and try again maybe the new KDE 5.7 images which I think are still beta[22:52:50] <Diskord__> we have i3. we don't need kde[22:52:55] <manjaro-kde5_> thanks peetaur[22:53:05] <manjaro-kde5_> KDE rocks Diskord__[22:53:11] <manjaro-kde5_> don't fight KDE[22:53:16] <manjaro-kde5_> you will lose[22:53:18] <manjaro-kde5_> lol[22:53:37] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@86.108.119.234> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:54:04] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:54:49] <peetaur> maybe take my keys.... I ran pacman-key --export "Andreas Radke" and you can import it with this I think curl https://clbin.com/TrIut | sudo pacman-key --import[22:54:50] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/laHm6x] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)[22:55:05] *** manjaro-web|9175 <manjaro-web|9175!c8544ce0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.200.84.76.224> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:55:16] *** zproc <zproc!~zproc@laf31-6-82-241-3-109.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[22:55:24] <manjaro-kde5_> thanks peetaur will give that a shot[22:55:54] <peetaur> manjaro-kde5_: also. you can work around the problem by skipping that update: pacman -Su --assume-installed gssproxy=0.5.1-1[22:56:25] <manjaro-kde5_> only question is do I save as a text file or save right into the terminal[22:57:31] <peetaur> the curl url is a text file, and in my example it pipes it right into pacman-key[22:57:38] <peetaur> you can save as a file instead and import the file[22:58:09] <manjaro-kde5_> ok thanks will try later out of time, workday has ended[22:58:40] <peetaur> ok... probably save the file now, not sure how long clbin stores things[23:00:00] *** lifernux_ <lifernux_!~quassel@192.85-87-24.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:02:42] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~manjaro-k@209.198.200.228> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:03:45] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 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<not_dammit!~manjaro-k@TOROON12-3096782671.sdsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:15:19] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@TOROON12-3096782671.sdsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[23:17:40] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[23:19:54] <superbia> mike-zal: im tired m8[23:20:10] <mike-zal> m8?[23:20:12] <superbia> mate[23:20:16] <mike-zal> ah[23:20:22] <superbia> you have gradation[23:20:27] <superbia> m9 is best mate[23:20:27] <mike-zal> manjaro mate you mean?[23:22:45] <linux-user-rn> are there any good zsh configuration guides that someone can point me to?[23:22:54] <mike-zal> never tested really mate. it looks ok. better then xfce and is very flexible (different WMs or copositors), has good gui[23:22:57] <superbia> linux-user-rn: dotshare.it website has good ones[23:23:05] <superbia> linux-user-rn: also browse reddit.com/r/unixporn[23:23:42] <linux-user-rn> ok thanks.[23:27:30] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[23:28:36] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@88-223-39-161.meganet.lt> has joined #manjaro[23:31:30] <superbia> you are also free to try fish/fisherman[23:31:45] <superbia> if you want many new 2016 rice features[23:32:19] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agtj51.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:32:54] <jonathon> linux-user-rn: also oh-my-zsh is worth looking at[23:33:40] <superbia> jonathon: the grml that comes on the arch iso is nice[23:33:55] <superbia> jonathon: until you install it, and it takes 3 seconds to start every time you open the terminal[23:33:57] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@m212-119-143-212.cust.tele2.ee> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:34:14] <jonathon> that would be... frustrating[23:34:20] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:34:21] <superbia> especially on a core2du[23:34:43] <superbia> i really only use bash now, when i need autocomplete i manually start the grml[23:34:53] <superbia> its only when i use wifi-menu[23:35:27] <superbia> and when i need to show-off i fire my fish/fisherman that looks like thor's hammer had sex with captain america[23:35:33] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@88-223-39-161.meganet.lt> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:36:02] <superbia> jonathon: http://fisherman.sh/ click WATCH DEMO[23:36:03] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/pjlwVu] Fisherman[23:36:18] *** molerat <molerat!~molerat@91.214.69.11> has joined #manjaro[23:38:52] <superbia> actually, the demo is pretty un-satisfying now[23:39:06] <superbia> the older demo had other plugins showing, much sexier[23:40:05] <jonathon> in-shell highlighting is quite nice[23:40:21] *** eme <eme!~eme@177.141.144.232> has joined #manjaro[23:40:24] <eme> ola[23:40:29] <superbia> ciao[23:40:36] <eme> hi[23:41:06] <eme> The icon from the menu disappear[23:41:30] <eme> I mean the manjaro one ?[23:41:40] <superbia> you want it back?[23:41:51] <eme> I know it's silly but how can I put it back ..[23:41:54] <eme> yes I want ..[23:42:03] <eme> just to know how[23:42:08] <superbia> is it xfce?[23:42:12] <superbia> or kede?[23:42:13] <eme> yes[23:42:15] <jonathon> which desktop are you using?[23:42:17] <eme> xfce[23:42:28] <superbia> manually download new icon[23:42:31] <superbia> and replace it :)[23:42:38] <superbia> probably the update broke it[23:42:42] <jonathon> lol[23:42:46] <eme> what's the path[23:42:47] <superbia> typical manjaro[23:42:52] *** xircon1 <xircon1!~xircon@2a02:c7f:5e1b:5200:4a51:b7ff:febb:7a33> has joined #manjaro[23:42:53] <jonathon> right-click on the panel, add to panel, select whisker menu[23:42:59] <superbia> eme: it could be the path and the permissions[23:43:08] <superbia> eme: listen to jonathon[23:43:15] <superbia> my xfce is weak[23:43:15] <xircon1> Evening all[23:43:30] <superbia> ciao[23:43:35] <jonathon> superbia: i think he means the menu has gone rather than the icon itself[23:43:58] <jonathon> though i could very well be completely wrong[23:44:07] <eme> the icon itself..[23:44:15] *** GenZai <GenZai!~emil@mnt60-1-88-186-66-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:44:18] <jonathon> so the menu works fine?[23:44:27] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@aftr-37-201-194-84.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:44:32] <eme> yes it does ..as far I can see[23:44:33] <jonathon> right-click on the menu, configure, choose an icon[23:44:41] <superbia> jonathon: the icon location or the permissions or something in the update[23:44:50] <eme> but it's annoy because isn't the first time[23:44:59] <superbia> eme: everytime you update?[23:45:09] <eme> yes I do[23:45:10] <jonathon> superbia: yeah, possibly - i haven't been running Xfce for a while (MATE all the way)[23:45:28] <superbia> jonathon: i thought you were the "people's dev"[23:45:32] <superbia> jonathon: and people run XFCE[23:45:35] <eme> the last time this happened after awhile the entire system crashed[23:45:40] *** yabbes_ <yabbes_!~yabbounic@unaffiliated/yabbounic> has joined #manjaro[23:46:15] <xircon1> does anyone know of a port of evopop to plasma? Really like it...[23:46:56] <jonathon> eme: a screenshot of the issue (with a nice arrow) would probably help a lot here[23:47:03] <eme> os in which file I can find the menu or where it stays so I can go there and replace it[23:47:26] <eme> so pass the url for the pasbin[23:47:31] <eme> and I'll do it[23:47:47] <jonathon> imgur.com[23:47:59] <eme> *pastebin[23:48:28] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@bl19-214-162.dsl.telepac.pt> has joined #manjaro[23:48:31] <jonathon> pastebin.com[23:48:39] <jonathon> not sure what you're after?[23:48:48] *** nuno_nunes <nuno_nunes!~PC@bl19-214-162.dsl.telepac.pt> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[23:49:46] <superbia> he will put imgur link in the pastebin, and paste the pastebin link here[23:50:05] <eme> http://imgur.com/a/nH06e[23:50:06] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/iXjlTv] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[23:50:24] <eme> that's what I'm saying.[23:50:39] <eme> the manjaro symbol just disappear[23:50:52] <eme> is very annoying.[23:50:59] <jonathon> oh[23:51:04] <jonathon> the whisker menu has the xfce icon[23:51:13] <jonathon> so the icon hasn't disappeared, it has changed[23:51:14] *** xircon1 <xircon1!~xircon@2a02:c7f:5e1b:5200:4a51:b7ff:febb:7a33> has quit IRC (Quit: Communi 3.5.0 - http://communi.github.com)[23:51:31] <jonathon> right-click on it and you can choose any icon you want[23:51:47] <jonathon> /usr/share/pixmaps is where they tend to hang out[23:52:53] <superbia> if the permissions are right[23:52:55] *** manolop3 <manolop3!~manu@89.140.42.248.static.user.ono.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[23:53:07] <superbia> usually they arent for some kinky reason[23:53:44] <jonathon> off for a beer, later all[23:53:46] *** jonathon is now known as jonathon|[23:53:50] *** jonathon| is now known as jonathon|afk[23:53:57] <dodgejcr> mmm beer[23:54:04] <ringo32> saved session ? :)[23:54:17] <linux_dream> hi ringo32 now i use antergos in a VM. from manjaro in host[23:54:28] <linux_dream> i didn't know antergos uses ARCh kernel[23:54:32] <ringo32> damn i mis logs of whole day lol[23:54:34] <superbia> dodgejcr: do you have beer notifier?[23:54:41] <ringo32> its arch :p[23:54:43] <superbia> ringo32: i can provide it to you[23:54:45] <dodgejcr> lol superbia of course :D[23:54:51] <superbia> ringo32: logs for -Afiorvst[23:54:55] <superbia> ringo32: deal?[23:55:03] <ringo32> lol[23:55:07] <eme> right I got it ...[23:55:13] <ringo32> Linux konoha 4.6.4-1-zen #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Tue Jul 12 21:03:34 UTC 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux[23:55:13] <dodgejcr> I actually quit drinking but a beer sounds soo good right now[23:55:21] <ringo32> Zen[23:56:41] <superbia> Error with command '"uname -a"'[23:56:46] <superbia> Linux localhost 4.6.3-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jun 24 21:19:13 CEST 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux[23:57:17] <superbia> ringo32: your time zone is off[23:57:59] <ringo32> yours also[23:58:23] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[23:58:34] <superbia> i am CEST[23:58:39] <superbia> central european summer time[23:58:43] <superbia> you are too[23:59:20] <superbia> wait[23:59:23] <ringo32> my timedatectl shows good[23:59:25] <superbia> NL has CEST[23:59:30] <superbia> BL has UTC ?[23:59:38] <superbia> one has summer time, one not?[23:59:41] <ringo32> cest[23:59:57] <superbia> i thought everyone had summer time on