July 12, 2016 
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July 12, 2016 [00:00:17] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.15> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:01:23] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@p5B141740.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:03:42] *** flawless <flawless!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has joined #manjaro[00:03:51] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:04:02] *** Kepa <Kepa!~manjaro-k@160.red-79-144-73.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[00:04:08] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #manjaro[00:04:22] *** Xgreem <Xgreem!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has joined #manjaro[00:06:10] *** Xgreem <Xgreem!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:06:10] *** flawless <flawless!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:06:45] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@APoitiers-654-1-145-107.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[00:07:05] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@APoitiers-654-1-145-107.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:08:31] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:09:52] *** Daifuco <Daifuco!~smuxi@cpc2-reig5-2-0-cust274.6-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:11:37] *** freecores <freecores!~freecores@145.132.131.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Offline)[00:11:53] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #manjaro[00:12:40] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[00:13:49] *** prillian5 <prillian5!~prillian5@xdsl-81-173-168-13.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:17:13] *** manjaro_flux is now known as gqbnm0[00:17:25] *** ptiede <ptiede!~ptiede@2620:101:f000:700:26fd:52ff:fe1b:8d18> has joined #manjaro[00:17:27] *** ptiede <ptiede!~ptiede@2620:101:f000:700:26fd:52ff:fe1b:8d18> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:18:22] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uuyyegwwqbwjgxzr> has joined #manjaro[00:19:09] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:22:16] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has joined #manjaro[00:22:34] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891352.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:23:34] *** yarost <yarost!~yarost@77.29.124.246> has joined #manjaro[00:24:08] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@host43-181-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[00:25:06] <yarost> Hi, new Manjaro Linux user here. Updates are going very slow, is there anything I can do to speed them up?[00:25:42] <Lowl3v3l> yarost, using different mirrors[00:26:05] <zero-ghost> Aria22: yea everyday there is is much less reason not to game exclusively on linux[00:26:25] <zero-ghost> yarost: sudo pacman-mirrors -g[00:26:43] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has joined #manjaro[00:27:21] <tmsbrdrs> yarost: look at what zero-ghost said[00:27:22] <yarost> Is it safe to do that while updating?[00:27:36] <zero-ghost> stop updates[00:27:38] <zero-ghost> close terminal[00:27:46] <zero-ghost> do that command and then start updates again after[00:28:27] <yarost> I don't have the terminal open, I have this application which is in the system tray.[00:28:46] <yarost> But okay, I stopped it.[00:28:57] <Aria22> Oh, the channel's gotten active[00:29:10] <gqbnm0> do you expect it's safe to perform that command while updating, but will have no effect, for the server is already selected?[00:29:28] <Aria22> The steam package installed some weird library that conflicted with libcurl o.O[00:30:02] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[00:30:07] <yarost> I don't know, gqbnm0, that's why I am asking.[00:30:16] <yarost> I'm a new Linux user.[00:33:17] <zero-ghost> dont let asshole attitudes drive you away from linux yarost, trust me theres a lot, but youve come to the right place, manjaro is amazing. welcome to the community[00:33:23] <linux-dream> welcome to leenucks yarost[00:33:40] <yarost> Thanks guys![00:34:12] <linux-dream> IMO you can stop the update at any time[00:34:22] <linux-dream> there should not be any problem[00:34:31] <linux-dream> it's going to be resumed when you update later[00:34:32] <yarost> When I was told there are practically no viruses on Linux, I made up my mind.[00:34:36] <zero-ghost> yes you can and the updates that have already downloaded will be there to continue once you start again[00:34:42] <gqbnm0> I find references that needing a 32bit version of libcurl for steam. I don't run it myself.[00:34:49] <zero-ghost> if you restart the computer they may get wiped though, that i forgot[00:34:59] <yarost> I suffered from a thing called a ransomeware, don't want to relive that again.[00:35:09] <zero-ghost> yarost: theres a catch 22 there of coarse ;)[00:35:14] <linux-dream> gqbnm0, I installed manjaro yesterday. the first thing I did was to remove steam and all 32 bits libs[00:35:22] <zero-ghost> there ARE viruses and malware... its just very difficult to actually get any[00:35:50] <zero-ghost> that doesnt mean you can throw caution out the window[00:36:00] <yarost> Oh, I did something and now my task bar is fucked up, can anyone help me?[00:36:09] <zero-ghost> once linux gets more popular naturally malware will get more prevalent[00:36:12] <linux-dream> do you have a screenshot yarost ?[00:36:24] <linux-dream> post on imgur[00:36:35] <zero-ghost> yarost: what desktop are you using? XFCE? KDE? other?[00:36:37] <yarost> I'll take one now, I see there is a built-in application for that here.[00:36:53] <linux-dream> yeah manjaro comes with some screenshot program[00:36:54] <zero-ghost> yes there is usually a built in screenshot program on most distro[00:36:55] <yarost> I installed the XFCE option.[00:37:14] <zero-ghost> xfce is very good[00:37:18] <zero-ghost> especaiily for new people[00:37:20] <zero-ghost> good choice[00:37:23] <yarost> Here's the screenshot - http://i.imgur.com/mmLku6s.png[00:37:24] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ebGCDQ] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[00:37:34] <yarost> It was recommended by a friend.[00:37:38] <gqbnm0> using good user account separation, it's harder to catch the nasties, but they certainly exist, though mostly in other forms.[00:37:59] <linux-dream> yarost, the screenshot was supposed to show your problem with the upper bar ^^[00:38:09] <linux-dream> i mean task bar[00:38:17] <linux-dream> nvm it's at the bottom[00:38:31] <yarost> Yes, it is at the bottom.[00:38:40] <zero-ghost> yarost: right click on the item you want to move on the task bar and click move[00:38:46] <zero-ghost> drag it back to the right one by one[00:38:53] <zero-ghost> clock first i guess[00:39:34] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has joined #manjaro[00:39:58] <yarost> It won't let me do that.[00:40:12] <linux-dream> hey guys I am in big troubles. help me please. dmesg shows: https://bpaste.net/show/3769d7ba01cb while I don,t have brfts at all!!![00:40:13] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/4BbJoP] show at bpaste[00:40:19] <zero-ghost> when you right click on the clock does it give the move option?[00:40:33] <linux-dream> i don't have RAID either[00:40:42] <linux-dream> i dont even know what RAID is. what is going on!!![00:40:49] *** Baloom <Baloom!~baloom@c83-248-128-170.bredband.comhem.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:41:03] <linux-dream> did i get hack?[00:41:09] <yarost> It has the move option, but there is a red line right next to the icon and it won't move right.[00:41:46] <zero-ghost> right click in the blank space on the right of everything[00:41:51] <zero-ghost> what are the options there[00:42:02] <Aria22> Well, I asked a question about my system in the arch channel while I was running manjaro, it was not taken to kindly >.< oops[00:42:12] *** Sango <Sango!~kvirc@10.230-227-89.dsl.completel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:42:15] <zero-ghost> Aria22: yea arch community is pretty toxic[00:42:17] *** e3d3 <e3d3!~e3d3@ip503ce2af.speed.planet.nl> has joined #manjaro[00:42:24] <Aria22> zero-ghost: toxic?[00:42:28] <Aria22> how is it toxic?[00:42:31] <yarost> Wait, I'm going to call my friend.[00:42:33] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@host43-181-dynamic.35-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[00:42:36] <zero-ghost> elitist, horrible attitude, etc etc[00:43:42] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[00:43:57] <zero-ghost> yarost: after you get it fixed ask your friend how to "lock" the task bar so you dont accidentally move and delete things again :-p[00:44:13] <zero-ghost> its very easy[00:44:35] <Aria22> Oh btw, another question, what branches of manjaro are available? Like.. stable, testing, unstable? I noticed on stable packages don't arrive very often[00:44:45] <Aria22> And I'd check the wiki.... but it's inaccesible >.<[00:44:51] <gqbnm0> ...the arch distro isn't really intended for Linux beginers, and some times the forums reflect that... plus they don't consider Manjaro (fork) to be Arch, so they don't support it.[00:45:24] <Lowl3v3l> gqbnm0, which i consider pretty rational.[00:45:32] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:45:36] <gqbnm0> (agreed)[00:45:57] <Lowl3v3l> Aria22, if you have to be told that manjaro is not arch you are best off sticking with stable i presume.[00:45:58] <zero-ghost> it isnt for beginners yet you have the arch elite out there everyday screaming for newbies to use arch[00:46:05] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[00:46:08] <zero-ghost> with little disclaimers like "well its a good learning experience[00:46:33] <Aria22> I've used Arch in the past, I use Manjaro now because I don't have time for micromanaging every detail of the system at the moment[00:46:36] <yarost> Ok, he told me how to fix it.[00:46:38] <Lowl3v3l> zero-ghost, i do too. Depending on wether people want to learn anything about the system. If they dont... well usually i'd suggest sticking with windows, but people consider this rude^^[00:46:38] <Aria22> Although Gentoo was even worse :P[00:47:01] <zero-ghost> gentoo elite, arch elite, theyre all the same[00:47:05] <zero-ghost> dick heads[00:47:24] <zero-ghost> "its either my way or dont bother trying to use better software"[00:47:51] <Lowl3v3l> zero-ghost, or maybe its partly the fault of the people perceiving them. If you have no clue yourself it is hard to perceive how much others actually know. Dunning-Kruger effect.[00:48:02] <e3d3> :)[00:48:16] <zero-ghost> i dunno... its easy to jsut be a decent person and help a fellow human being[00:48:44] *** Kepa <Kepa!~manjaro-k@160.red-79-144-73.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:48:47] <Aria22> I agree with you, zero-ghost[00:48:50] <gqbnm0> I find that both Arch & Manjaro keep up with the latest & greatest pretty much with littlest of fuss on my wimpy laptop. But, Manjaro is much prettier & easier to use out of the box, and care & feeding is taken to set up appropriate dependencies and other 'things' many expect out of the box.[00:49:02] <Lowl3v3l> zero-ghost, the problem i see with many newbies is that they even consider a suggestion like "rtfm" rude though it is usually the most sensible thing.[00:49:23] <linux-dream> tfm is 2km long they need a 1 liner[00:49:30] <Aria22> I still want KDE 5.7 though[00:49:32] <zero-ghost> well there are gonna be asshole newbies too[00:49:33] <Aria22> when's it coming? :o[00:49:37] <linux-dream> tfm is like a dictionary without any order[00:49:56] <zero-ghost> but i see, innocent newbies get hostiles responses way more than the other way around[00:50:03] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, yeah, grep or Ctrl+F is dark dark magic ;)[00:50:05] <yarost> Is this thing called AUR available here in Manjaro?[00:50:15] <linux-dream> it's like asking them to find the word "obsessive" in a dictionary without any word ordering[00:50:23] <yarost> I was told by my friend that I should look there for application that I can't install with the usual command.[00:50:25] <linux-dream> yes yarost[00:50:38] <Lowl3v3l> yarost, yeah. and its usually a bad idea to use it without knowing exavtly what you do, as its third party packages not maintained by manjaro or even for manjaro.[00:50:50] <e3d3> linux-dream: agree :)[00:51:02] * ringo32 Zero-Jail zero-ghost[00:51:06] <yarost> If I want to use it, how do I access it?[00:51:09] <zero-ghost> Noo!![00:51:23] <Lowl3v3l> yarost, wget + makepkg[00:51:35] <linux-dream> you have 2 options yarost or 3[00:51:41] <linux-dream> one is with pamac, the easiest[00:51:57] <linux-dream> another one is with yaourt (command line), 2nd easiest[00:52:09] <gqbnm0> should be built-in to your main package manager in manjaro.[00:52:17] <linux-dream> and the 3rd is with arch wiki, or wget + makepkg like Lowl3v3l is suggesting. the 3rd easier[00:52:24] <gqbnm0> sorry.. your gui-based package manager[00:52:53] <linux-dream> I personally use number 3) like Lowl3v3l , but you can do it from witin pamac[00:53:09] <Aria22> like.. anyone know when KDE 5.7 will release?[00:53:44] <day|flip> sub guys. I stop being lazy. Working on finishing up my themes. Thank goodness sgdq is over.[00:53:59] <linux-dream> sub = sup ?[00:54:07] <linux-dream> sup day|flip[00:54:18] <day|flip> Aria22, kde 5.7 is in unstable right now. If you want to try it. move the unstable repo[00:54:35] <linux-dream> if you have any idea what my dmesg is showing, please speak: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/dmesg-shows-btrfs-jfs-ntfs-and-raid-stuff/5611[00:54:36] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/WfkFsp] Dmesg shows btrfs, JFS, NTFS and RAID stuff - Support for Manjaro Editions - Manjaro[00:54:37] <Aria22> awww :( okay[00:54:40] <day|flip> hay linux-dream. how are you doing. I'm starting to work on my openbox theme[00:55:12] <day|flip> so it will work with lxqt theme that i'm finish[00:55:17] *** Sango <Sango!~kvirc@10.230-227-89.dsl.completel.net> has joined #manjaro[00:55:28] <linux-dream> doing fine with manjaro thanks[00:55:34] <linux-dream> just worrying about that dmesg message[00:55:51] <Aria22> maybe i should ask a different question, then..[00:56:01] <Aria22> the reason I want KDE 5.7 is because it has calendar integratiobn[00:56:13] <Aria22> I need a proper calendar program that lets you use DAV[00:56:15] <Aria22> anyone know one?[00:56:29] <gqbnm0> manjaro forum says (6 days ago) --- One day after it hits Arch stable repo it will hit Manjaro unstable, then will get into Manjaro testing repo for maybe a week before getting into Manjaro stable repo. So basically we'll get it at least a week after Arch users get it, make it two weeks for the worst scenario.[00:56:32] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:57:13] <day|flip> Aria22, mozilla thunderbird?[00:58:17] <ringo32> week a 2 weeks[00:58:25] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@151.42.74.54> has joined #manjaro[00:58:29] <ringo32> Aria22,[00:58:39] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@151.42.74.54> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:58:42] <yarost> Is Arch Linux better than Manjaro Linux?[00:58:43] <ringo32> KDe 5.7 is out but most stuf is not build for 5.7[00:58:47] <ringo32> stil on 5.6[00:58:49] <day|flip> plasma-desktop 5.6.5-1 i'm on testing repo. so not yet in testing repo[00:59:09] <zero-ghost> yarost: after youve used manjaro for a year straight, maybe it will be better for you[00:59:14] <zero-ghost> you need to be very advanced with linux[00:59:39] <day|flip> yarost, arch is more work to deal with. It you feel like your up to make a distro how you want it. then give it a try[01:00:46] <yarost> Can a new Linux user do that?[01:00:47] <day|flip> zero-ghost, not ture. just be used to using the terminal. at a very base level and and compile your own soft ware. then i say people will be some what ready for arch[01:01:12] <day|flip> yarost, if you have lots of time[01:01:57] <Aria22> I'm advanced enough for Arch, yet i'm on manjaro because it saves time[01:01:58] <day|flip> work on it in vm. you see that you spend most your time in tty/console. before you have a gui[01:02:27] <linux-dream> gosh this is so weird. i cannot remove cifs-utils, a weird file system package, because this breaks smbclient (related to samba) which breaks mpv .....[01:02:42] <linux-dream> and i dont even have samba installed[01:02:54] <day|flip> manjaro have a very sane way of keep sync sever repo[01:02:55] <zero-ghost> yarost: have you used virtual machines?[01:02:56] <linux-dream> so mpv needs smbclient which needs a weird file system thing[01:03:16] <yarost> No, zero-ghost.[01:03:37] <gqbnm0> Arch expects users to keep up more with the current trends and to support themselves... while Manjaro does that for you while using the Arch platform. A pair of good tests are to use a spare USB stick and install Arch to it, and see if you can get it into a usable form. If it's easy for you, then Arch is for you. if not, then youll have more appreciation as to what goes into Manjaro behind the scenes.[01:03:42] <zero-ghost> ok so first you need to learn what they are and how to use them[01:03:45] <day|flip> yarost, it suggested to used virtual machine. if you want to test arch for the first time[01:04:11] <yarost> What application should I use for that?[01:04:36] <Aria22> Definitely, because installing Arch over a production system when you don't know what you're doing.. is very risky, because the entire installation consists of you typing out commands[01:04:39] <zero-ghost> virtual machiens are extrmely important for everything actually so after you get comfortable just using linux day to day you can ping me or probably others and we can walk you through learning how to use virtual machines[01:05:37] <yarost> Are they extremely important for everything related to Linux?[01:05:44] <zero-ghost> for everyhting relating to computers[01:05:53] <yarost> I didn't have the need to make one when I was using Windows.[01:05:53] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[01:06:02] <zero-ghost> you should have :-p[01:06:07] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[01:06:15] <zero-ghost> but no one tells people how to do security correctly[01:06:27] *** mudzi <mudzi!~mudzi@c-540fe555.015-206-73746f36.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has joined #manjaro[01:06:34] <zero-ghost> virtual machines wouldve saved you from ransom-ware[01:06:51] <zero-ghost> well if you were doing things right anyway :-p[01:06:54] <ringo32> zero-ghost, not water-jail ?[01:07:03] <zero-ghost> no waterjail on windows ringo![01:07:27] <zero-ghost> brb[01:07:37] <yarost> What is that?[01:09:55] <gqbnm0> implementing & using virtual machines (at least kvm) will consist of nearning a new language & concepts which likely won't make sense to general Linux users. Virtualbox is easiest over Ubuntu, but KVM/Qemu is generally recommended on most distros.[01:10:22] *** rxc <rxc!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rylinaux> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:10:26] *** thiago__ <thiago__!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has joined #manjaro[01:10:29] <yarost> Learning a new language? Like a programming language?[01:10:30] *** rxc <rxc!~Ryan@znc.ryan-clancy.com> has joined #manjaro[01:10:30] *** rxc <rxc!~Ryan@znc.ryan-clancy.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:10:30] *** rxc <rxc!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rylinaux> has joined #manjaro[01:10:55] <ringo32> why not machinectl & systemd-nspawn ? :)[01:11:16] <gqbnm0> VMs are important for testing new things & concepts without taking the chance of destroying your main working/production workstation. In the server world, they become even more important.[01:12:28] *** Sango <Sango!~kvirc@10.230-227-89.dsl.completel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[01:12:44] <gqbnm0> start reading up on kvm & qemu.. then it will be mor eobvious... but primarily a slightly different paradigm for networking, hard drives & such... since the machine itself is 'virtual'[01:13:05] <yarost> Will do, thanks.[01:13:31] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.0.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:13:38] <linux-dream> ive heard that to browse the most anonymously one needs hardened tor browser inside of a VM[01:13:42] *** IamRight <IamRight!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:13:59] <linux-dream> coz the VM doesn't know the host IP or something like that, and the screen res is different[01:14:08] <yarost> Has anyone here taken some Linux courses on sites like Coursera and MIT OpenCourseWare?[01:14:12] <linux-dream> so u can't leak out too many things[01:14:20] <linux-dream> not me yarost[01:14:22] <gqbnm0> ...and perhaps have an addiontal usb-nic used only for that purpose.[01:14:34] <linux-dream> taking courses can be good I guess[01:14:49] <linux-dream> if you're interested , it's all good[01:14:59] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@105.107.133.220> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:15:05] *** rxc <rxc!~Ryan@unaffiliated/rylinaux> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:15:14] <yarost> I use those sites for learning various subjects, if there is some course about Linux, I will take it.[01:15:25] <day|flip> tor can't block webrtc. webrtc will still show your ip. thankfully there some chrome app that can block it[01:15:28] *** thiago__ <thiago__!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[01:17:14] <linux-dream> hmm really? there's an option in firefox to prevent webrtc to leak the IP[01:17:21] <linux-dream> and tor is based on FF 45[01:17:25] <linux-dream> tor browser[01:18:15] *** Sango <Sango!~kvirc@10.230-227-89.dsl.completel.net> has joined #manjaro[01:20:19] *** w30 <w30!~Dubal@2601:245:8100:2347::1> has joined #manjaro[01:20:34] <day|flip> linux-dream, it more a blinks engine issue. Not sure if this will ever become a issue in firefox. or there new web browser that they been working on called servo[01:21:09] <linux-dream> i think they'll just inject servo into FF eventually[01:21:34] <w30> hello Manjaroians[01:22:15] <linux-dream> i think i neeed to restart to see if my system can boot. i fell to 813 installed packages (from 850 earlier today)[01:22:26] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:22:26] <day|flip> maybe. who knows. it be fun to see the new crazy bs that they made with rust[01:22:35] <tmsbrdrs> linux-dream: I'm crossing my fingers that this isn't a 4th reinstall for you[01:23:22] <day|flip> this is why he better off installing net install. then install the default manjaro theme like maia[01:24:13] <day|flip> less issue. and be using you system. vs trying to fix all this bs[01:24:49] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[01:25:04] <linux-dream> oh gawed tons of errors during the booting part[01:25:13] <day|flip> https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjarodev/files/users/excalibur1234/net-minimal/2016.06/[01:25:14] <linux-dream> does manjaro start a VM or something by default/[01:25:16] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/tBoAmB] Manjaro Development - Browse /users/excalibur1234/net-minimal/2016.06 at SourceForge.net[01:25:17] <linux-dream> ?[01:25:20] <day|flip> just for you linux-dream[01:25:43] <linux-dream> noooooooo :D i mean i like my system now[01:25:47] <linux-dream> i wont touch it anymore[01:26:15] <linux-dream> im done with it ^^[01:26:57] <linux-dream> systemd-vconsole-setup.service: Unit entered failed state. is this a big deal?[01:27:11] <day|flip> i have no idea how many time I reinstall manjaro over the years. and it almost always my fault for fking up[01:27:38] <linux-dream> i used manjaro for over 1 year back in 2013 up to 2015[01:27:41] <yarost> Hi, I just installed something from the AUR and the last thing I see is: Transaction successfully finished.[01:27:50] <yarost> Is it safe to close the window now?[01:27:50] <linux-dream> wait 2014 up to 2016 sorry[01:28:31] <linux-dream> windows broke my computer, had to pay 200 bucks to get it back. from march up to 2 days ago i didnt had my computer and so didnt have manjaro[01:28:50] <linux-dream> i never messed up my system in that year and a half[01:28:56] <linux-dream> with manjaro that is[01:29:18] <day|flip> yarost, yes.[01:29:45] <day|flip> once there nothing left to do. and and installed. yes. it safe to close then window[01:30:02] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:31:50] <linux-dream> ok I've figured that the error is due to cat /etc/vconsole.conf[01:31:51] *** gqbnm0 <gqbnm0!~manjaro-f@75-146-118-109-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:31:59] <day|flip> yaourt used your tmp folder. there is one issue with this. manjaro auto make your tmp folder by half the size of your ram. let say you have 4gb or ram. tmp folder will be 2gb of ram. this can be a issue sometime with the aur. if you run out of space. witch can happen. I have it happen to me[01:32:12] <linux-dream> i mean /etc/vconsole.conf . a dude removed it and this fixed the problem[01:32:24] *** Tjong <Tjong!~Tjong@p3E9EB4B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[01:32:59] <linux-dream> i renamed it. time for me to reboot to see if this removes the systemd error[01:33:02] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:33:36] *** manjaro_flux <manjaro_flux!~manjaro-f@75-146-118-109-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #manjaro[01:33:39] *** manjaro_flux is now known as gqbnm0[01:34:28] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[01:34:37] <linux-dream> wow this fixed the problem[01:34:45] <linux-dream> not only that, now the booting time is much shorter[01:35:42] <day|flip> how fast is it now? my fast boot time with systemd is under 3 sec. and no it not pci ssd.. just ssd[01:36:43] *** NaoTix <NaoTix!~tix@176.139.185.179> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:36:51] <gqbnm0> fyi: re: webrtc. using this url as reference... https://diafygi.github.io/webrtc-ips/ ... when I hit it with Chromium, it provides my IP addresses. When hitting with PaleMoon, it shows clean. Pretty sure both broswers were default installs.[01:36:51] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/W7hIfj] (Page title not found or empty. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.)[01:37:30] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:38:05] <yarost> I have to go, see you guys and thanks for all the help![01:38:13] *** yarost <yarost!~yarost@77.29.124.246> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:38:22] <gqbnm0> heading out too. bye.[01:38:26] <linux-dream> bye cu[01:38:38] *** gqbnm0 <gqbnm0!~manjaro-f@75-146-118-109-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:38:57] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@105.234.146.14> has joined #manjaro[01:39:12] <linux-dream> sigh[01:39:15] <linux-dream> he's gone[01:39:25] <linux-dream> i wanted to know something about the website[01:39:40] <linux-dream> it is leaking my Your public IP addresses:[01:39:46] <linux-dream> is that bad, day|flip ?[01:41:02] *** ringo32 <ringo32!~ringo_man@unaffiliated/ringo32> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye ALL#)[01:41:58] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@105.234.146.14> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:42:05] <day|flip> linux-dream. yes if you plain to used chromium base. and yes it show my ip[01:42:34] <linux-dream> i mean i use firefox. it shows my public IP address, is that bad?[01:43:00] <day|flip> ya. even if you used tor[01:43:33] <linux-dream> i didn't install tor browser yet[01:43:37] <linux-dream> ok, thanks for the info[01:43:45] <linux-dream> let me install hardened tor browser and try[01:43:59] <linux-dream> i need to modify the pkgbuild from the aur[01:44:00] <day|flip> linux-dream, about:config[01:44:07] <day|flip> see if you can disable it[01:44:07] <linux-dream> ah?[01:44:13] <linux-dream> webrtc?[01:44:34] *** 7F1ABRN26 <7F1ABRN26!~manjaro@105.107.133.220> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:44:34] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:44:46] *** 7JTABBN4A <7JTABBN4A!~manjaro@105.107.133.220> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:44:53] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has joined #manjaro[01:45:07] <day|flip> yes[01:46:14] *** manj-1603-Lxde2 <manj-1603-Lxde2!~manjaro@105.107.133.220> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:47:44] <day|flip> ill brb. restarting browser[01:47:48] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[01:48:14] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[01:49:24] <day|flip> cool. I'm able to block webrtc from showing my ip now[01:50:06] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[01:50:08] <linux-dream> me too thx to you[01:50:28] <linux-dream> what is weird is that ir emember having seen the option "prevent webrtc to leak IP" in firefox's settings[01:50:36] <linux-dream> but i can't find it anymore[01:51:33] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[01:51:33] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:52:09] <day|flip> linux-dream, I'm using a chromium base browser. I just seeing if i can find it in the flags. and yes i was able to[01:52:28] <linux-dream> it was with ublock origin im sorry[01:52:34] <linux-dream> anyway we're screwed now?[01:52:36] *** deathonater <deathonater!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[01:52:37] <day|flip> vivaldi-snapshot. it in the aur[01:52:43] <linux-dream> google won't be able to figure out where we're from?[01:52:50] <day|flip> linux-dream, it was not working for me[01:52:52] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[01:52:52] <linux-dream> so we'll get strange ads and stuff?[01:53:19] <linux-dream> now nobody can see where we're from?[01:53:22] *** deathonater is now known as Smeef[01:53:26] <day|flip> ublock origin was not working for me some weird reason. I went into the flags. see if there was something enable[01:53:37] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[01:54:13] <day|flip> linux-dream, you will be less track. and with tor. it will not show you ip[01:54:23] <day|flip> your**[01:54:32] <linux-dream> when i go to "what is my ip" it still sees it[01:55:01] <linux-dream> one thing i dislike about tor browser is the ads . gosh... when you're used to umatrix + ublock origin this is a pain[01:57:21] <day|flip> http://i.imgur.com/PGbBGBS.png[01:57:22] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/PbmEGw] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[01:58:05] <linux-dream> yeah i have the same now[01:58:11] <day|flip> idk your having so much issue. webrtc is way worse on chromium base browser. witch is what im using[01:58:16] <linux-dream> let me try to install hardened tor browser and try[01:58:39] <linux-dream> i dont have issue, i have the same output as you[01:58:51] <linux-dream> but if you go to google and type "what is my ip" , it will show up[01:58:59] <linux-dream> even though this has nothing to do with webrtc[01:59:49] *** augiekk <augiekk!~august@172.56.12.173> has joined #manjaro[02:00:27] *** e3d3 <e3d3!~e3d3@ip503ce2af.speed.planet.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:00:54] <day|flip> linux-dream, that cuz it using something else.[02:01:06] <linux-dream> yeah i guessed so[02:01:14] <linux-dream> anyway im getting tor browser hardened.[02:01:18] <linux-dream> it's downloading[02:01:36] <day|flip> https://diafygi.github.io/webrtc-ips/ <--- this test with webrtc[02:01:37] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/W7hIfj] (Page title not found or empty. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.)[02:02:43] <linux-dream> Your local IP addresses:[02:02:44] <linux-dream> Your public IP addresses:[02:02:44] <linux-dream> Your IPv6 addresses:[02:02:49] <linux-dream> no leak[02:03:11] <day|flip> if your this crazy about keeping your ip safe. then you might as will change your shell. from bash to mksh[02:03:30] <linux-dream> i use zsh[02:03:38] <linux-dream> never heard of mksh[02:03:46] <day|flip> just as bad as bash and fish[02:04:12] <day|flip> it store your history of all your commands. mksh does not do this by default[02:04:47] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[02:05:11] <linux-dream> you mean the history file? I can limit it to 0 line if i want[02:05:14] <day|flip> sure it keep it as a cache. but as soon you close your terminal. it gone[02:05:29] <linux-dream> ah you mean in RAM?[02:05:50] *** cspack <cspack!~cspack@162.216.46.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:05:58] <day|flip> mksh just keep it as tmp. but soon you close your terminal it gone. cant be find[02:06:26] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[02:06:29] <linux-dream> i see thats nice. but i like to go through my commands sometimes[02:06:40] <linux-dream> mybe i should use a log file instead to keep important commands[02:06:58] <day|flip> or make a alise for it[02:07:20] <linux-dream> yeah i use aliases[02:07:31] <Batch> aliases ftw[02:07:41] <day|flip> :)[02:08:55] <linux-dream> oi Batch[02:09:04] <day|flip> alias v='mpv'[02:09:11] <day|flip> alias n='mpv --no-video'[02:09:21] <day|flip> mostly for youtube used[02:09:55] <Batch> hi linux-dream day|flip[02:10:03] <day|flip> sup Batch[02:10:41] <Batch> same as always day|flip[02:10:46] <day|flip> I'm working on my Theme. finish lxqt. now working on openbox so. it fit will with my lxqt theme[02:10:55] <Batch> briliant ideas came up late in the eve[02:11:08] <day|flip> the game?[02:11:10] <Batch> nice openbox[02:11:24] <Batch> game?[02:11:30] <day|flip> eve online[02:11:37] <Batch> oh no hehe[02:11:47] <Batch> the eve(ning)[02:11:51] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has joined #manjaro[02:12:00] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[02:12:05] <day|flip> https://www.eveonline.com/ <--- it work with linux without wine[02:12:05] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/5LhjPu] Real Life Science Fiction[02:12:13] <Batch> its AM now but ok[02:12:16] <Batch> ooh let me see[02:12:53] <day|flip> never played it. it hard to used and master. what keep me from playing it[02:13:10] <Batch> looks cool man[02:13:43] <Batch> i thought it was the dinosaur game but i was confused, it isn't at all[02:14:02] <day|flip> space cowboys to sum it up[02:14:05] <linux-dream> day|flip, i just tested the hardened tor browser out of the box. it doesn't leak IP via webrtc[02:14:16] <day|flip> cool man[02:14:19] <linux-dream> nastily protected[02:15:46] <day|flip> Batch, not really joking. hear of people losing everything due to someone kill him. and stole all his items. that why it on the side of hard to play and master[02:16:16] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[02:17:40] <Batch> oke i see day|flip[02:17:48] <Batch> i was confusing ARK with it[02:18:07] <day|flip> i see. eve been around forever. it is a very old game[02:18:10] <Batch> just by the short names i supose[02:18:19] <day|flip> it up there as old as wow[02:19:15] <day|flip> May 6, 2003 that when it first started. see. it fking old game[02:20:18] <bugzbunny> linux-dream: Might as well use a VPN?[02:20:40] <linux-dream> im a security ignorant bugzbunny . no idea what it is[02:21:02] <bugzbunny> If you are that paranoid and only use Tor. You are not _really_ well protected from leaks[02:21:13] <day|flip> it a pay services[02:21:19] <bugzbunny> linux-dream: There Virtual Network Providers out there[02:21:23] <Batch> nice day|flip[02:21:25] <bugzbunny> day|flip: There are free ones[02:21:32] <Batch> this is my latest activity day|flip http://www.watchepisodes.to/scorpion[02:21:33] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/wuMl9y] Watch Scorpion Online Free. Scorpion Episodes at watchepisodes.to[02:21:48] <bugzbunny> The free ones have a cap and the ones that you have to pay... Are cheap[02:22:00] <linux-dream> i dont use tor. i just installed the hardened tor browser coz i've read it has some special anti FBI code that the tor browser lacks[02:22:01] <day|flip> openvpn?[02:22:11] <linux-dream> but i notice that by default javascript is allowed WTF[02:22:14] <bugzbunny> What it does, it makes all your outgoing connection, go through another server[02:22:25] <bugzbunny> OpenVPN is one technology, there's also ipsec, PPTP[02:22:27] <bugzbunny> etc[02:22:44] <linux-dream> i know people use openvpn for android in china to bypass the censorship[02:22:52] <day|flip> ahh. will i never vpn. I know of it.[02:23:05] <bugzbunny> https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/[02:23:07] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/2rOuqt] Anonymous VPN Service From The Leaders | Private Internet Access[02:24:01] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@x55b428ec.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:24:07] <linux-dream> if i have to pay 1 c for my privacy then im dead[02:24:13] <linux-dream> i will never pay[02:24:48] <bugzbunny> Like I said, there are free ones with caps... I don't know why _one_ would not pay for privacy :)[02:26:32] *** augiekk <augiekk!~august@172.56.12.173> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[02:26:35] <linux-dream> whats a cap[02:27:21] <bugzbunny> There give you like 100MB a month or something[02:27:36] <day|flip> lol that not alot[02:27:50] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@x4db4ce4c.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[02:27:55] <linux-dream> ok[02:28:10] <day|flip> i can go over that much on my cell phone in 2 to 3 week[02:28:21] <bugzbunny> Well, I am throwing a number[02:28:26] <bugzbunny> :)[02:28:37] <bugzbunny> I am saying, don't expect to much from Free ones[02:29:18] <bugzbunny> https://www.tunnelbear.com/pricing, gives you 500MB a month[02:29:19] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ffYk4Q] (link was unresponsive: https://www.tunnelbear.com/pricing,)[02:31:32] *** PcMasterRace <PcMasterRace!~anony@ip72-195-190-159.mc.at.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:33:27] <day|flip> $49.99 billed yearly that really cheap[02:34:22] <day|flip> even with a crapy job[02:35:08] <day|flip> but I'm not that paranoid.[02:35:46] <linux-dream> me neither for now at least[02:35:46] <bugzbunny> yeah[02:35:55] <day|flip> even when the nsa pull bs with targeting you when you search linux on google[02:35:58] <linux-dream> hardened tor browser is sufficient for wikipedia[02:37:33] *** corpsegrinder <corpsegrinder!~corpsegri@unaffiliated/corpsegrinder> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[02:38:20] <day|flip> ya. another 122 line till im finish theming openbox. ooo goodie[02:38:51] *** PDXLabCoat <PDXLabCoat!~PDXLabCoa@2601:1c2:801:2a00::cba> has joined #manjaro[02:39:52] <day|flip> still not as bad compare to my 515 lines for lxqt-panel alone....[02:41:54] *** Lowl3v3l <Lowl3v3l!~Lowl3v3l@dslb-094-218-184-123.094.218.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:45:50] <day|flip> think i have over 700 lines on my lxqt theme[02:46:48] *** mudzi <mudzi!~mudzi@c-540fe555.015-206-73746f36.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:48:20] *** alexandr1 <alexandr1!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[02:50:39] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[02:51:06] *** skshetry <skshetry!ca4654a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.70.84.162> has joined #manjaro[02:52:18] <linux-dream> i used to change the icon in the lxqt bar[02:52:36] <linux-dream> for either gentoo or arch. that's where i had installed lxqt[02:52:51] *** depate <depate!~depate@pD9E4B27F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:52:58] <linux-dream> i dumped it for xfce though, dont ask me why[02:53:09] <linux-dream> and i still prefer lxde over both lxqt and xfce[02:53:19] <day|flip> it not very hard[02:53:37] <day|flip> and your talking about the panel[02:53:56] <linux-dream> yes just 1 icon :D[02:54:14] <linux-dream> i just put the arch and gentoo logo. nothing else[02:54:18] <day|flip> idk. i find lxqt good to used full time now[02:54:21] <linux-dream> instead of the default[02:54:29] <day|flip> i used to hate lxqt[02:54:30] <linux-dream> ok maybe i should retry it[02:54:59] <linux-dream> i had qtterminal, wpdfview, etc[02:55:08] <linux-dream> qpdfview*[02:55:10] <day|flip> this was around 0.7 or 0.8[02:55:18] <day|flip> qterminal[02:55:29] <day|flip> short for quick terminal[02:55:29] <linux-dream> it doesn,t exist anymore??[02:56:19] <day|flip> na. you said. qtterminal. it not qtt it qterminal[02:56:36] <linux-dream> ah right[02:56:58] <linux-dream> but yeah it's been a while i didn't retest lxqt[02:57:19] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uuyyegwwqbwjgxzr> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[02:58:36] <day|flip> lxqt 0.10 have been really usable for me[02:58:50] <day|flip> it fit my needs.[02:59:02] <day|flip> it the only reason why i have not move back to wm[02:59:19] <day|flip> fluxbox really[02:59:38] <day|flip> not fan for openbox xml menu editing[03:00:09] *** Manj-811-Xfce <Manj-811-Xfce!~stuart@69.161.167.250> has joined #manjaro[03:00:30] <day|flip> fluxbox make more sense to me[03:00:51] <linux-dream> goshhhh noooooooo i just read a math problem now i need to write some code to solve it[03:01:12] *** skshetry <skshetry!ca4654a2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.70.84.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[03:01:47] <day|flip> solve dick. 1+dick=3 ... dick=2[03:01:59] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891352.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:02:21] <day|flip> i get board....[03:02:59] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[03:03:23] *** PDXLabCoat <PDXLabCoat!~PDXLabCoa@2601:1c2:801:2a00::cba> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:03:27] *** alexandr1 is now known as alexandros_c[03:03:38] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891352.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[03:03:55] <linux-dream> i need an IDE lol[03:04:02] <linux-dream> or gedit i dunno[03:04:07] <linux-dream> how to code in python[03:06:01] *** Snake1130 <Snake1130!~MakerBlak@d24-204-245-71.home4.cgocable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:11:39] <day|flip> idk. not a programmer[03:12:00] <day|flip> i like the look of atom-editor[03:12:27] <day|flip> if you want a faster download and install. light table maybe be better[03:12:46] <day|flip> it almost the same as atom-editor[03:14:32] *** tbchk <tbchk!~manjaro-k@181.63.160.204> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:15:41] *** darkbit <darkbit!~darkbit@49.144.196.134> has joined #manjaro[03:15:44] <linux-dream> im using gedit now with python shell. not excellent[03:15:56] <linux-dream> but the problem isn't hard so I'm safe[03:16:51] <day|flip> omg. light table is so much fast on installing compare to atom-editor[03:19:35] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891352.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:24:43] <linux-dream> my system kinda freeze[03:24:49] <linux-dream> eiher IRC or gedit[03:25:53] *** amendo <amendo!~amendo@fttx-17713615519.usr.predialnet.com.br> has joined #manjaro[03:26:12] *** amendo <amendo!~amendo@fttx-17713615519.usr.predialnet.com.br> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:26:46] *** amendo <amendo!~amendo@fttx-17713615519.usr.predialnet.com.br> has joined #manjaro[03:27:02] *** amendo <amendo!~amendo@fttx-17713615519.usr.predialnet.com.br> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[03:27:53] <linux-dream> cursor wont move[03:27:55] *** amendo <amendo!~amendo@unaffiliated/amendo> has joined #manjaro[03:28:38] <linux-dream> cpu usage is low[03:28:38] <linux-dream> opps cant send text here. frozen[03:29:02] <linux-dream> this becomes unusable[03:29:07] *** cspack <cspack!~cspack@162.216.46.34> has joined #manjaro[03:29:58] *** johnvan 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<manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@x4db4ce4c.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:08:07] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@x4db35d5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[04:08:27] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[04:08:30] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has joined #manjaro[04:13:09] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[04:14:47] <linux-dream> why aren't entries in journalctl written on chronological order?[04:16:09] <linux-dream> my computer took 1 minute to shut down. im trying to find culprits by looking at journactl but it's hard, the events aren't in chronological order[04:23:38] <Batch> linux-dream maybe journalctl -r fix it?[04:24:14] <linux-dream> nope[04:24:31] <linux-dream> here is how it finishes:[04:24:33] <linux-dream> Jul 11 23:08:25 isaac dbus-daemon[611]: Activating service name='org.gnome.GConf'[04:24:33] <linux-dream> Jul 11 23:08:07 isaac dbus-daemon[611]: Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.thumbnails.Thumbnailer1'[04:24:33] <linux-dream> Jul 11 23:07:46 isaac systemd[1]: Started Daemon for power management.[04:24:33] <linux-dream> Jul 11 23:07:46 isaac dbus[385]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.UPower[04:25:05] <linux-dream> nvm this is correct order[04:25:11] <linux-dream> but does not display everything[04:25:19] <Batch> pretty much[04:25:27] <Batch> you could try to make it more verbose[04:25:37] <linux-dream> it displays my currnet boot[04:25:38] <Batch> that's most likely what you want i guess[04:25:40] <linux-dream> not the previous boot[04:25:43] <Batch> ah[04:25:53] <Batch> wait i remember something[04:26:20] <Batch> well something with -1 i thought[04:27:03] <Batch> i think it was that[04:27:32] <linux-dream> which is the command i used[04:28:00] <Batch> ah voila[04:28:14] <Batch> there's also --list-boots[04:28:44] <linux-dream> wtf.... my terminal crashed[04:28:50] <linux-dream> xfce4-terminal vanished[04:29:41] <Batch> that sucks hmm[04:30:05] <Batch> maybe dmesg gives you something[04:31:04] <verrlara> anyone use bspwm?[04:31:13] <linux-dream> Batch, i o errors[04:31:27] <Batch> eek[04:31:34] <linux-dream> https://bpaste.net/show/920f1a28d2d1[04:31:34] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/siYOv5] show at bpaste[04:31:48] *** vexare <vexare!uid37544@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ousfftcsmruggfrk> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[04:32:05] <linux-dream> what is that?[04:32:29] <Batch> it's something written to the harddrive that gave an error[04:32:47] <Batch> on that specific part of the harddrive[04:33:34] <linux-dream> so im toast[04:33:41] <Batch> i had something similar[04:33:48] <Batch> same order[04:34:11] <Batch> problems with wifi adapter and writings changing some states of devices[04:34:21] <Batch> found out it was bad ram[04:34:54] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@host211-183-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:35:03] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oycyazihkkaaxfsa> has joined #manjaro[04:35:49] <linux-dream> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1052099#p1052099[04:35:49] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/OFQeJ8] laptop-mode: shutdown problem / Laptop Issues / Arch Linux Forums[04:36:03] <linux-dream> is there a way i can scan my disk for problems?[04:36:31] <Batch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=937872[04:36:32] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/KkKLwW] [ubuntu] hdd error {DRDY err}[04:36:35] <Batch> post 8 linux-dream[04:37:21] <Batch> oke it is about ubuntu but that is used for checkdisks everywhere iirc[04:37:26] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@2600:8801:1180:525:2c58:a58d:4f51:379f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[04:37:34] <Batch> there multiple options to test hdd[04:37:42] <Batch> you could use a hirens bootcd[04:38:00] <linux-dream> so only sudo e2fsck -c /dev/sda2 for my case?[04:38:43] <Batch> well i'd keep reading before doing it, i remember checkdisks can be a pain in the ass[04:38:54] <Batch> need to be unmounted etc[04:39:05] <Batch> but yeah[04:39:52] <Batch> http://superuser.com/questions/796423/drdy-err-from-hdd[04:39:52] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/0jsZ92] boot - DRDY ERR from HDD - Super User[04:40:11] <Batch> linux-dream this guy talks about making back ups to be sure your good[04:40:19] <Batch> you're[04:41:36] <linux-dream> fine[04:41:51] <linux-dream> it's a fresh install so i have nothing to lose[04:46:25] <linux-dream> ill do fsck -a /dev/sda2[04:46:38] <linux-dream> from live usb version[04:46:39] <linux-dream> c u[04:46:41] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:50:50] *** Manj-1603-Lxqt <Manj-1603-Lxqt!~gary@108-202-120-170.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has joined #manjaro[04:51:13] *** manjaro <manjaro!~manjaro@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #manjaro[04:51:52] <manjaro> fsck -a /dev/sdb2[04:51:52] <manjaro> fsck from util-linux 2.28[04:52:14] <manjaro> and /dev/sdb2: clean, 163399/30228480 files, 3155107/120904448 blocks[04:52:24] <manjaro> so i am safe>?[04:53:14] <day|flip> anyone here know a lot about openbox theming?[04:53:17] *** Manj-1603-Lxqt <Manj-1603-Lxqt!~gary@108-202-120-170.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:54:43] <manjaro> day|flip, i am linux dream. the slow or frozen problem comes from hard disk failure i guess[04:54:59] <manjaro> im doing a e2fsck test with the live version[04:55:01] <day|flip> will that suck[04:55:30] <manjaro> 0.01 percent done. already (12/0/0 errors)[04:55:43] <day|flip> i thought it was a ram issue. once you run out of ram. it go to swap. witch right to the hard disk[04:55:57] <day|flip> wright***[04:56:02] <manjaro> nah i almost never hit 2 Gb of ram used. i have 4[04:56:11] <day|flip> ahh[04:57:01] <manjaro> i sent the laptop to the repair shop in march[04:57:07] <manjaro> they gave it to me 2 days ago[04:57:18] <manjaro> the disk was fine before. im sure they broke it[04:58:13] <Batch> ah you back[04:58:22] <Batch> well my problem back then was the ram[04:58:48] <Batch> doesn't make it same as the problem you have[04:59:16] <manjaro> 13 errors now[05:03:00] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:04:52] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@ip98-160-134-215.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #manjaro[05:07:50] *** Tuxman__ <Tuxman__!~Tuxman@b9168f7b.cgn.dg-w.de> has joined #manjaro[05:08:22] <manjaro> e2fsck -c is very slow. e2fsck -p is instantaenous[05:11:18] *** Tuxman <Tuxman!~Tuxman@unaffiliated/tuxman> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[05:11:26] *** manjaro <manjaro!~manjaro@36-223-245-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:17:41] <day|flip> figure out what the rest of osd shit in openbox[05:19:24] <Batch> day|flip ?[05:20:16] <day|flip> openbox themerc. there a thing with osd. stuff like alt-tab and so on. or openbox text buttons[05:21:37] <day|flip> figuring thing out. just need know what is what[05:21:48] <day|flip> and playing around with stuff help[05:21:55] *** isxek <isxek!~isxek@122.2.98.233> has joined #manjaro[05:22:22] <Batch> osd is like ^,_, square, x ?[05:22:41] <day|flip> :)[05:23:22] <Batch> i'll just let you do the job lol :D[05:23:23] <Batch> idk[05:23:24] <day|flip> i'll take a screen shot of the two different osd and show you what i mean.[05:23:35] <Batch> allright[05:27:47] <day|flip> http://imgur.com/a/TUKNo[05:27:48] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ykua9x] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet[05:29:00] <day|flip> the first one on top. Is openbox window. like the button. it all ob. but it part of osd. alt tab in the bigger screen. it part of osd[05:31:04] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:31:34] <Batch> great man, i'm sure isn't a problem for you to find out hehe[05:31:55] *** Troupal <Troupal!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-79-209.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:32:55] <day|flip> will i spent like 20 to 30 min trying to figure the darn thing out[05:33:13] <day|flip> anyway. I'll brb. I want to test the theme with lxqt now see how it looks[05:33:28] <Batch> goooood[05:33:36] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[05:34:10] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[05:37:57] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[05:38:33] <day|flip> panel and menu is lxqt. top window bar is openbox... what you guys thinks? http://i.imgur.com/JnbtZ10.png[05:38:33] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/fQ5S3x] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[05:39:59] <Batch> looks genious man[05:40:09] <Batch> :O[05:40:25] <Batch> that's really nice man[05:40:29] <day|flip> now all i have to do is finish sddm theme. I'm done[05:40:29] <Batch> amazed[05:41:03] <day|flip> but first. upload this to github :)[05:41:46] <Monro> top window bar is openbox...[05:41:58] <Monro> where do I look for the "top window bar"?[05:42:09] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@97-81-170-215.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[05:42:09] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@97-81-170-215.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:42:09] *** CountryfiedLinux <CountryfiedLinux!~robert@unaffiliated/countryfiedlinux> has joined #manjaro[05:42:26] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy[05:42:35] <Monro> "top window bar is openbox..."[05:42:39] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@pool-72-89-57-107.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #manjaro[05:42:55] <day|flip> the bottom right corner of the screen. you see two window open. the title bar or window box is openbox[05:43:14] <day|flip> it confusing as all hell[05:43:20] <day|flip> sup CountryfiedLinux[05:43:51] *** HamRadio <HamRadio!~HamRadio@67.148.122.154> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[05:43:54] <Monro> where it shows "new" in light blue?[05:44:25] *** Monro <Monro!~Ice9@unaffiliated/monro> has quit IRC (Quit: A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)[05:44:42] *** leachim6 <leachim6!~leachim6@neptune.cosmicforge.org> has left #manjaro ("WeeChat 1.6-dev")[05:45:37] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@pool-72-89-57-107.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[05:47:33] <day|flip> were you see text is orange and green.[05:48:24] <day|flip> and __ [ ] [x][05:51:19] *** Monro <Monro!~Ice9@unaffiliated/monro> has joined #manjaro[05:52:30] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:52:40] <Monro> did you see my question about what are the openbox windows?[05:54:06] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[05:57:15] <day|flip> Monro, do you know what openbox is?[05:57:24] <Monro> I use it[05:57:40] <Monro> but I don't recognize it on the screenshot[05:57:57] <Monro> and my client is giving me errors[05:58:02] <Monro> do you see my text ?[05:59:49] <Monro> (test)[06:02:29] <day|flip> yes[06:02:34] <day|flip> i can see your text[06:02:59] <Monro> weird, I don't[06:03:11] <Monro> but anyway, about openbox on that screenshot[06:03:16] <day|flip> lxqt is a DE. but it used openbox for it main window manager[06:03:25] <Monro> ah, ok[06:03:34] <CountryfiedLinux> We need a Unity edition of Manjaro :P[06:03:36] <Monro> I use openbox as the only de[06:03:40] <Monro> thats why[06:03:50] <Monro> no we don't :-P[06:03:57] <day|flip> sorry for the confuse then[06:03:59] <Monro> we need a proper openbox edition[06:04:08] <Monro> not your fault[06:04:10] <Monro> mine[06:04:22] <day|flip> it been a long time since the last openbox manjaro[06:04:30] <CountryfiedLinux> I had Xubuntu installed but there's a blueman bug that won't let me connect my devices, so currently on Ubuntu.[06:04:43] <Monro> no maintainers[06:04:47] <Monro> but it pains me[06:04:49] <CountryfiedLinux> On Antergos Xfce Kdenlive looked like Windows 2000.[06:04:54] <day|flip> it used to be part of the main line up. openbox xfce. then it became xfce and kde[06:05:01] <Monro> yea[06:05:06] <Monro> I joined back then[06:05:14] <Monro> *because* of openbox[06:05:15] *** Herdin <Herdin!~herdin@unaffiliated/herdin> has joined #manjaro[06:05:22] <Monro> hi Herdin[06:05:28] <Herdin> hi Monro[06:05:31] <day|flip> will join around fall of 2013[06:05:38] <Monro> so, I wish it was back[06:05:52] <day|flip> witch was 0.8.7 just came out[06:05:56] <Monro> but it seems now its all about beauty of xfce[06:05:59] <Monro> making it KDE[06:06:15] <Herdin> Icecold was having sometrouble chatting to this channel[06:06:16] <day|flip> Monro, what you think of my lxqt setup[06:06:22] <Monro> last openbox was 0.13 I think[06:06:28] <Monro> very nice[06:06:35] <day|flip> sweet[06:06:58] <Monro> but too "square" for my taste. I like more rounded corners[06:07:01] <Monro> is it doable?[06:07:13] <day|flip> that the icon theme[06:07:14] <Monro> its Monro[06:07:21] <Monro> and still does have errors[06:07:29] <day|flip> witch been a pain to figure out witch one to pick[06:07:56] <Monro> Icons are beatiful[06:08:49] <day|flip> this have been the best one I find. that work will with this theme[06:09:18] <Monro> is it your theme or ported from somewhere?[06:09:42] <day|flip> ported?[06:10:07] <Monro> I mean, based on existing one?[06:10:17] <day|flip> Kinda got lazy with openbox. so ya[06:10:22] <Monro> :-)[06:10:29] <Monro> it looks very nice[06:10:36] <day|flip> lxqt started out that way. But became it own thing[06:10:37] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:10:58] <day|flip> but how will I learn it i don't know where to start[06:11:42] <Monro> I don't even know what you already did :-)[06:12:55] <Monro> anyway, have to go[06:12:58] <day|flip> It cool. It going to be part of lxqt openrc community editions[06:13:03] <Monro> great work, do keep it :-)[06:13:05] <day|flip> take care Monro[06:13:09] <Monro> laters[06:15:06] <CountryfiedLinux> bye Monro[06:49:03] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@88-106-110-143.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[06:49:12] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@88-106-109-12.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #manjaro[06:52:54] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@ip98-160-134-215.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[06:54:59] *** damarusama <damarusama!~damarusam@209.52.44.123> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:57:22] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: ")[06:58:15] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:58:55] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!~wmedrano@2601:647:4601:ea84:9162:ef3c:4e20:c0c> has joined #manjaro[07:09:09] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@c-73-162-49-191.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[07:10:39] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@c-73-162-49-191.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:11:34] *** Herdin <Herdin!~herdin@unaffiliated/herdin> has quit IRC (Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? 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#manjaro[10:18:54] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[10:24:58] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@178.250.143.249> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:30:32] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has joined #manjaro[10:30:35] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:39:33] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has joined #manjaro[10:39:40] *** eizua <eizua!~eizua@122.2.98.233> has joined #manjaro[10:44:06] *** NaoTix <NaoTix!~tix@176.139.185.179> has joined #manjaro[10:44:07] <NaoTix> Hi[10:45:08] *** steepleone <steepleone!~ray@LFbn-1-6760-250.w90-120.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[10:45:15] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[10:46:45] *** gpunk <gpunk!~manjaro-m@095-097-098-049.static.chello.nl> has joined #manjaro[10:47:45] *** d42 <d42!~root@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit 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I am missing Manjaro.[10:49:46] <verrlara> But if I come back I lose the support of the #archlinux* channels. x.x[10:51:46] <zero-ghost> how much support do you need?[10:53:15] * verrlara is a newb.[10:53:29] <verrlara> I don't know how to code.........[10:53:36] <zero-ghost> me either[10:53:44] <zero-ghost> i just use my computer to do basic computer things[10:54:08] <zero-ghost> and i will only use linux and open source programs as exclusively as i can[10:54:25] <VoidFox> 2,78 support plz ^^[10:54:26] <Lowl3v3l> verrlara, what exactly do you want from manjaro that you dont find in arch? o.O[10:54:27] <zero-ghost> are you trying to learn how to code or something?[10:54:28] <verrlara> I can get around, I can run a server, I read logs, I can edit basic components of scripts (change fonts, etc) but if you put a blank document in front of me, I might be able to do a hello world but thats it.[10:54:40] <zero-ghost> this isnt a coding support channel anyway[10:54:54] <verrlara> But lemonbar has me stumped.[10:55:14] <verrlara> I loved the bspwm lemonbar that was just the default.[10:55:17] <verrlara> xD[10:55:42] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has joined #manjaro[10:55:46] <verrlara> I think its limepanel in bspwm but its still lemonbar the program.[10:56:33] <zero-ghost> if youre a linux newb maybe you want to pick an easy stable desktop and just experiement and break things in virtual machines only[10:56:42] <zero-ghost> so that you dont need help immediately when you destroy your system[10:56:56] *** d42 <d42!~root@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[10:57:05] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~makaveli@88.247.118.243> has joined #manjaro[10:57:07] *** open_coder_ <open_coder_!~open_code@85.103.244.158> has joined #manjaro[10:57:15] <verrlara> zero-ghost: I have 1G of ram. I can't run a virtual machine.[10:57:41] <verrlara> I am running really like wm w/o a de cause my computer can't handle it.[10:57:48] <verrlara> light*[10:57:57] <verrlara> Intel Chromebooks suck[10:58:15] <zero-ghost> cant you put more ram in it[11:00:45] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p54996649.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[11:01:24] <open_coder_> which processor are you using[11:02:11] *** Softeisbieger <Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@ip-62-143-13-166.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:02:29] <zero-ghost> verrlara: http://www.omgchrome.com/how-to-add-swap-memory-to-your-chromebook/[11:02:31] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/h8pUoW] [How To] Add Swap Memory to your Chromebook - OMG! Chrome![11:03:02] <zero-ghost> how big is your swap partition?[11:03:33] <verrlara> Nope can't add memory, can't add space (16G emmc card embarressment harddrive).[11:03:41] <open_coder_> which processor are you using[11:03:49] <verrlara> Bay Trail Intel Celeron[11:03:57] <zero-ghost> you can probably literally buy a better computer than what you have for some pocket change[11:04:16] <verrlara> I got this thing free. But I am disabled so I don't have pocket change.[11:04:30] <verrlara> Its hard enough to buy groceries.[11:04:53] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[11:05:14] <verrlara> I have money saved up for a decent computer. But it will be another four months of saving and bitching about it till I have enough.[11:05:46] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.147.48> has joined #manjaro[11:05:59] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:06:01] <zero-ghost> so just use that "computer" for basic tasks for the next 4 months until you have something capable of virtual machines that wont waste your time destroying your entire system when you mess something up[11:06:35] <open_coder_> clear[11:07:22] <zero-ghost> theres plenty to learn about linux without running or tweaking things that will break your whole system[11:07:42] <berm> BREAK THE SYSTEM![11:08:11] *** Tjong <Tjong!~Tjong@p5B208874.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[11:08:34] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~makaveli@88.247.118.243> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:09:11] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has joined #manjaro[11:09:50] <verrlara> I mostly just want lemonbar to work then I can focus on my stupid VPS[11:10:09] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@213.181.39.195> has joined #manjaro[11:10:09] <verrlara> I don't tweak my system. I wouldn't dare.[11:10:41] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@213.181.39.195> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[11:11:03] <zero-ghost> ive never heard of lemonbar[11:11:12] *** steepleone <steepleone!~ray@LFbn-1-6760-250.w90-120.abo.wanadoo.fr> has left #manjaro[11:11:24] <open_coder_> i cant run portal 2 in manjaro it is saying STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically and it just stop (dont start), is there anybody who gets same problem[11:11:24] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@213.181.39.195> has joined #manjaro[11:12:20] <verrlara> its like dzen2[11:12:28] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:12:31] <verrlara> its a cli panel[11:12:56] <zero-ghost> yea never heard of either[11:13:04] <zero-ghost> maybe fluxbox or openbox is light enough for 1gb[11:13:32] <open_coder_> i cant run portal 2 in manjaro it is saying STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically and it just stop (dont start), is there anybody who gets same problem[11:13:37] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.147.48> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:13:54] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.147.48> has joined #manjaro[11:15:04] <verrlara> herbstluftwm is what I am using.[11:15:07] <zero-ghost> can you just run steam alone?[11:15:25] *** Softeisbieger <Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@ip-62-143-13-166.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has joined #manjaro[11:15:32] <verrlara> Also run awesomewm or bspwm or i3[11:15:39] <zero-ghost> i like i3[11:15:47] <zero-ghost> just use manjaro i3[11:16:05] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has joined #manjaro[11:16:05] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:16:50] <open_coder_> steam is running succesfully but if you run portal 2 from steam it j[11:17:00] <open_coder_> it cant start[11:19:43] <zero-ghost> if you close steam out, is anything still running in the task manager?[11:32:02] *** alexandr1 <alexandr1!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[11:32:07] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@NTL208H101-89-5.nt.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:32:47] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@NTL208H101-95-94.nt.net> has joined #manjaro[11:34:31] <open_coder_> no nothing is running[11:34:42] <open_coder_> about steam[11:34:51] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:35:13] <zero-ghost> when did it start giving that error? after some updates?[11:35:58] <open_coder_> after i installed portal 2 it cant run it[11:36:06] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:37:21] <zero-ghost> so it never worked yet?[11:37:44] <open_coder_> yes[11:37:51] <zero-ghost> do you have other steam games that work?[11:38:30] <open_coder_> terraria, garrys mod, super meat boy, the escapist[11:38:59] *** eizua 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joined #manjaro[13:41:19] *** augiekk <augiekk!~august@172.56.12.164> has joined #manjaro[13:41:28] *** augiekk <augiekk!~august@172.56.12.164> has left #manjaro[13:43:03] *** Animtim <Animtim!~timo@21-44-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:46:09] *** Kepa <Kepa!~manjaro-k@160.red-79-144-73.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[13:57:17] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:00:34] *** othniel <othniel!~manjaro-k@105.10.181.166> has joined #manjaro[14:02:05] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~suben@121.121.31.206> has joined #manjaro[14:02:21] <Manj-811-Xfce2> creat user in manjaro linux[14:03:00] *** gpunk <gpunk!~manjaro-m@095-097-098-049.static.chello.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:04:14] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~suben@121.121.31.206> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:06:28] <othniel> hey[14:06:39] <othniel> missed my manjaro peeps[14:09:14] *** gpunk <gpunk!~manjaro-m@095-097-098-049.static.chello.nl> has joined #manjaro[14:09:39] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[14:09:48] *** Lumm2 <Lumm2!~lumm@37.167.44.48> has joined #manjaro[14:11:39] <berm> Who the hell are you?[14:11:39] <berm> :P[14:14:11] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[14:14:45] *** Lumm4 <Lumm4!~lumm@37.167.6.202> has joined #manjaro[14:16:58] *** Lumm3 <Lumm3!~lumm@nem77-1-82-240-251-72.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[14:17:18] *** Lumm2 <Lumm2!~lumm@37.167.44.48> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:17:51] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:17:59] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has joined #manjaro[14:19:23] *** Lumm4 <Lumm4!~lumm@37.167.6.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[14:19:31] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has joined #manjaro[14:27:20] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-naewiowbnjpggysa> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[14:33:20] <othniel> just a newbie who got alot of help from the friendly folks on here[14:37:07] *** michimuellae <michimuellae!~micha@p57B8DBCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[14:37:10] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[14:38:07] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:39:04] *** michimuellae <michimuellae!~micha@p57B8DBCE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:46:40] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[14:46:48] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:47:46] <berm> I was joking bro[14:48:27] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[14:51:28] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[14:53:42] <elcaven> hey all, manjaro newbie here[14:53:51] *** chshbh <chshbh!~Avinash@146.196.35.50> has joined #manjaro[14:54:02] <berm> indeed[14:54:09] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@2001:981:d34e:1:bce4:b51a:198c:f2df> has joined #manjaro[14:54:11] <berm> everybody is[14:54:12] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@2001:981:d34e:1:bce4:b51a:198c:f2df> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:54:28] <berm> all the advanced manjaro users are using arch[14:54:29] <berm> :p[14:54:36] <Condor> lol[14:54:40] <Condor> i use both[14:54:52] <Condor> on aio runs manjaro and on laptop arch :)[14:57:26] <Condor> anyone here experienced with file/folder permissions ownership and stuff[14:57:29] <Condor> ?[14:57:44] <elcaven> considered trying arch but didnt seem that great of an idea to use my work laptop for trying out arch[14:57:50] <elcaven> so manjaro seemed good middle road[14:58:30] <Condor> elcaven: arch is a fun thing to do, try it first on a less used device though :)[14:58:44] <Condor> and make sure the device doesn't have nvidia :p[14:58:59] * Jeannie looks at her oldest running Arch[14:59:04] <Jeannie> Why no Nvidia?[14:59:10] <Condor> fuck nvidia and their fucking graphic cards[14:59:18] <Condor> proprietary bullshit[14:59:19] <Jeannie> So you recommend MD?[14:59:23] <Jeannie> AMD[14:59:25] <Condor> yes[14:59:30] <Condor> amd runs fine[14:59:33] <Jeannie> No[14:59:34] <Condor> intel as well[14:59:50] <Condor> depending on your needs ofc[14:59:51] <Jeannie> Intel does not produce graphics cards[14:59:55] <elcaven> yeah id like to get some cheap laptop one day just to mess with it[15:00:32] <Condor> it's gpu cpu all in one i think[15:00:38] <Jeannie> Low perf[15:00:42] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[15:00:46] <Condor> my aio runs hybrid intel nvidia[15:00:55] <Condor> true[15:01:01] <Jeannie> That's broken by design[15:01:02] <Condor> but i don't use it for gaming :p[15:01:11] <Condor> yeah[15:01:22] <Condor> had many problems with it[15:01:27] <Condor> now it... somehow works[15:01:47] <Jeannie> I prefer non hybrid machines with Nvidia graphics[15:02:00] <Jeannie> And with the fucking proprietary driver[15:02:10] <Condor> :p[15:02:24] <Condor> nouveau is shit compared to nvidia xD[15:02:32] <Jeannie> I agree 200%[15:02:34] <Condor> can't blame the nouveau team for that though[15:02:55] <Condor> it's fucking proprietary ndidia :([15:03:01] <Jeannie> It works[15:03:28] <Condor> yeah but still... just give us the goddamn source code >.<[15:03:57] <Jeannie> And peopel who sa: Don't use it, it's proprioetary so it sucks aren't any better than people saying: "My religion is best, fuck yours"[15:04:02] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[15:04:09] <Condor> hahaha[15:04:14] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@93.175.1.184> has joined #manjaro[15:04:14] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@93.175.1.184> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:04:20] <Jeannie> I am dead seriuos with this[15:04:26] <Condor> rms would cry if he read that :p[15:04:48] <Jeannie> That guy who peels disgusting stuff from his feet to eat it?[15:04:57] <Condor> hahhahahaha[15:05:17] <Jeannie> And who uses extremely ultra low perf hardware cause it's non proprietary?[15:05:28] <Condor> that one :P[15:05:52] <Jeannie> Religious zealot[15:05:53] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[15:05:56] <Jeannie> rms[15:06:22] <Condor> nice creations though[15:06:29] <Jeannie> ?[15:06:31] <Condor> gnu coreutils and emacs :D[15:06:52] <Jeannie> emacs is a quite usable operating system, it lacks a usable editor though[15:07:03] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:07:09] <Condor> idk i don't use it[15:07:17] * Condor uses gnu nano[15:07:20] <Condor> :D[15:07:29] <Condor> no vim, no emacs, nano :p[15:07:57] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[15:08:22] * Jeannie hates cli applications[15:08:33] <Condor> O.O[15:08:42] <Grizzly_> cli iz life \oO/[15:08:48] <Condor> that stabbed me in the heart >.<[15:08:53] <Condor> i love cli[15:09:07] <Grizzly_> cli iz love \oO/[15:09:12] <Jeannie> cli is boring, ugly and cumbersome to use[15:09:21] <Condor> so much that if I don't have a terminal in immediate reach i think X is useless to have[15:09:34] <Condor> it's powerful though[15:09:44] <Jeannie> It's so last millenium[15:09:51] *** Cerber <Cerber!~PHP7-0-8-@mail.de02.searchtrends.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:10:12] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:10:47] <Condor> still gui applications have shitty performance and possibilities compared to their cli counterparts[15:11:00] <Condor> the machine that this irc runs on has no X11[15:11:03] *** alexandr1 <alexandr1!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:11:05] <Condor> and i love it =)[15:11:27] * Jeannie looks at her i7 with 32 Gb of ram and shrugs[15:11:37] *** splendib <splendib!4c458df3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.69.141.243> has joined #manjaro[15:11:42] <Condor> what do you use the 32gb of ram for :p[15:11:55] <Condor> i have 8 gigs of ram here and even use 4gb of it as a ramdisk[15:12:04] <Jeannie> For powering my DE[15:12:06] <Condor> could also do 6 but i'm kinda conservative :p[15:12:15] <Condor> Jeannie: even kde runs on 500megs :/[15:12:21] <Grizzly_> your DE needs 32Gb ? O_O[15:12:22] *** splendib <splendib!4c458df3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.76.69.141.243> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:12:29] <Condor> firefox on top of it and it's around 1g[15:12:43] <Jeannie> Dunno, neither use KDE nor firefox[15:12:55] <Condor> Jeannie: windows 20?[15:12:55] <elcaven> curious what kind of DE would need that sort of ram[15:13:01] <Jeannie> Compiling is nice with lots of RAM[15:13:06] <Condor> that would probably have a minimum of 32gb ram :p[15:13:54] *** Na3iL <Na3iL!~Na3iL@ubuntu/member/na3il> has joined #manjaro[15:14:11] <othniel> use palemoon?[15:14:19] <Jeannie> Yes[15:16:10] *** Cerber <Cerber!~PHP7-0-8-@mail.de02.searchtrends.eu> has joined #manjaro[15:16:16] <Condor> Jeannie: watch free -m[15:16:18] <Condor> try it[15:16:25] <Condor> return its output :)[15:16:35] <Condor> or just free -m[15:16:53] <Jeannie> jeannie@Manjaro ~]$ free -m[15:16:53] <Jeannie> free: Multiple unit options doesn't make sense.[15:17:06] <Grizzly_> just free[15:17:28] <Condor> how can you screw up a command like that :/[15:17:31] <Condor> xD[15:17:40] <Condor> no offense :p[15:17:57] <Jeannie> I simply followed your advice by typing free -m[15:18:25] *** manjaro-kde5_ <manjaro-kde5_!~mudzi@c-540fe555.015-206-73746f36.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has joined #manjaro[15:18:28] <Condor> [condor@condor media]$ free -m[15:18:30] <Condor> total used free shared buff/cache available[15:18:32] <Condor> Mem: 7904 872 5705 141 1327 6565[15:18:34] <Condor> Swap: 0 0 0[15:18:36] <Condor> that's mine[15:18:43] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@87-62-150-162-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[15:21:00] <Grizzly_> damn, I got quite the used mem[15:21:07] <Condor> :p[15:21:11] <Condor> how much[15:21:13] <Grizzly_> free total utilisé libre partagé tamp/cache disponible[15:21:16] <Grizzly_> Mem: 7907 3490 1550 530 2867 3812[15:21:17] *** chshbh <chshbh!~Avinash@146.196.35.50> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:21:19] *** D3mian <D3mian!~manjaro-k@206.132.109.74> has joined #manjaro[15:21:25] <Grizzly_> so, 3490 used[15:21:25] <Condor> holy fuck[15:21:44] <Condor> what are you doing on that machine :p[15:21:49] <Condor> seriously[15:21:50] <Grizzly_> Intellij running, chromium with video, firefox with 15+ tabs >:D[15:21:56] <Condor> mine never reached 3g[15:21:57] <Grizzly_> (and compiling java apps)[15:21:59] <Condor> ah :p[15:22:09] <Condor> chrome and ff got a good sip of it :p[15:22:20] <Grizzly_> intellij eats up quite a lot too[15:22:25] <Condor> idk[15:22:30] <Condor> what's intellij?[15:22:51] <Jeannie> Calling nvidia drivers fucking proprietary and using chrome?[15:22:52] <Grizzly_> it's an IDE[15:22:59] *** chshbh <chshbh!~Avinash@146.196.33.67> has joined #manjaro[15:23:01] <Grizzly_> I'm using chromium, not chrome[15:23:06] <Condor> oh :)[15:23:13] <Condor> netbeans :D[15:23:16] <Grizzly_> and I didn't call nvidia drivers anything >:D[15:23:30] <Jeannie> Condor did[15:23:35] <Condor> yes[15:23:36] <Grizzly_> Condor: I have discovered intellij during my internship and I'm pretty much really liking it[15:23:38] <Condor> ff is open source[15:23:41] <Condor> i don't use chrome[15:23:55] <Jeannie> FFs drm code is not open source[15:24:11] <Grizzly_> i use chromium because some videos don't run well on ff and i'm too lazy to check why[15:24:13] <Condor> more sauce than chrome has[15:24:22] <Condor> :p[15:24:32] <elcaven> intellij really uses up a lot of mem[15:24:37] <elcaven> total used free shared buff/cache available[15:24:38] <elcaven> Mem: 15955 6224 5616 1173 4115 8250[15:24:40] <elcaven> Swap: 17551 0 17551[15:24:43] <Grizzly_> yes it does[15:24:56] <Condor> Grizzly_: ffmpeg modul maybe[15:24:58] <Condor> idk[15:25:11] <Condor> or flash[15:25:30] <Grizzly_> XD I shut down intellij, gained 1502 free mem :D[15:25:40] <Condor> lool :p[15:25:54] <elcaven> it can get quite insane[15:26:06] * Condor wonders what ram netbeans uses[15:26:18] <Condor> elcaven: whata[15:26:34] <Grizzly_> yes, especially after a few javac runs and it goes "let's keep ALL the threads of the jvm alive for fun's sake" and you have a thousand process named idea >:D[15:26:37] <elcaven> the mem usage of intellij can get out of hand[15:26:50] <Condor> :p[15:26:57] <elcaven> imagine working on microservices with it and having like 9 of them open[15:27:46] <Grizzly_> it's hell ^^[15:28:09] <Condor> haha[15:28:20] * Condor programs his scripts in shells[15:28:40] <Grizzly_> I'd rather not do any java outside of an IDE +_+[15:28:49] <Condor> =p[15:28:52] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@112.90.147.49> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:29:05] <Condor> java is good cuz it's equally bad on all systems :p[15:30:01] <Condor> bbl[15:30:31] *** spaceraven <spaceraven!~spacerave@62.148.146.189> has joined #manjaro[15:30:33] <elcaven> Grizzly_ i completely agree[15:30:48] *** profdoidao <profdoidao!~manjaro-k@186.248.89.90> has joined 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#manjaro[16:16:56] *** CommunistWitchDr <CommunistWitchDr!~theDucTap@24-217-182-168.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[16:17:15] <Jeannie> Tried it last week[16:17:19] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/lafemme> has joined #manjaro[16:17:28] *** superbia <superbia!~superbia@unaffiliated/lafemme> has left #manjaro ("WeeChat 1.5")[16:18:00] <johnblood> I have XFCe installed as my main DE and installed Budgie to play with a couple months ago.[16:18:27] *** Cookiehunter <Cookiehunter!~cookiehun@host81-140-169-203.range81-140.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[16:18:59] <johnblood> Today I decide to try it out. It selected Budgie at log in, but it pulled up the XFCE desktop. When I logged out to try again, Budgie appeared.[16:19:35] <johnblood> Also, the volume networking, and pacman icons are duplicated in the tray.[16:19:51] <othniel> could i install budgie running kde now?[16:20:04] <othniel> newbie here[16:20:11] <johnblood> othniel[16:20:23] *** Lumm <Lumm!~lumm@37.163.134.210> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:20:44] <johnblood> othniel: sure. Just install budgie from Pamac and then logout, select Budgie and log back in.[16:20:46] <johnblood> :)[16:23:21] <othniel> doing it ryt now[16:24:12] *** Lumm2 <Lumm2!~lumm@2a01:e35:2f0f:b480:1945:a299:9542:d01c> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[16:24:19] *** Lumm <Lumm!~lumm@37.167.63.168> has joined #manjaro[16:25:01] *** Lumm2 <Lumm2!~lumm@2a01:e35:2f0f:b480:1945:a299:9542:d01c> has joined #manjaro[16:25:14] *** Lumm2 <Lumm2!~lumm@2a01:e35:2f0f:b480:1945:a299:9542:d01c> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:25:21] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:25:41] *** xspeed <xspeed!~xsp@89.222.181.124> has joined #manjaro[16:25:41] <johnblood> othniel: Budgie is young, but very nice[16:26:00] <johnblood> It's not built from scratch, It is based on Gnome's stack[16:26:53] <Jeannie> Wonrdeing how long budige will be around[16:27:10] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has joined #manjaro[16:28:28] *** 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<othniel> Jeannie u dont like budgie? what DE do you use?[16:43:43] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@78.140.203.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:43:43] <Jeannie> I prefer DEs that are maintained by more than one person[16:45:25] <Jeannie> My main system uses MATE, my secondary system runs Cinnamon[16:45:41] <elcaven> ive heard good things about Cinnamon, never got around to giving it a try tho[16:46:07] <Jeannie> Cinnamon isn't bad, it suffers from GTK3 though[16:48:17] <elcaven> in what ways?[16:48:40] <Jeannie> Every 6 months, the GTK3 devs break stuff[16:49:24] <Jeannie> So all developers of non Gnome GTK3 DEs need to fix the GTK3 "progress"[16:49:57] <elcaven> ah i see[16:50:12] <Jeannie> GTK3 theming was completely redone in GTK3.20[16:50:33] <Jeannie> So all themes that worked in GTK3.18 were broken in GTK3.20[16:51:07] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@50.33.112.160> has joined #manjaro[16:51:07] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@50.33.112.160> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:51:18] <elcaven> must have annoyed a whole bunch of people[16:51:36] <Jeannie> In GTK3.14 they removed icon scaling[16:51:58] <Jeannie> So icon sets that had been working since old GTK2 times suddenly were unuseable[16:52:42] <othniel> i use kde[16:52:53] <othniel> not much love for kde thpugh[16:52:58] <Jeannie> Tried Plama5 two weks ago[16:53:20] *** spaceraven <spaceraven!~spacerave@62.148.146.189> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:53:26] <othniel> were u impressed?[16:53:44] <Jeannie> Uhm, well, yes, but not in a positive way[16:53:55] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@host86-187-33-150.range86-187.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[16:54:12] <othniel> whats your conclusion?[16:54:26] <mantra__> budgie looks like lxqt[16:54:37] <Jeannie> I did not find plasma5 to be a usable desktop environment for me[16:54:52] <elcaven> im using plasma5 right now and dont have any complaints about it so far[16:55:06] <othniel> same here thats why i wanna switch to udgie[16:55:10] <othniel> budgie[16:55:32] <Jeannie> Budgie, the complete opposite of plasma5[16:56:43] <elcaven> what was it that bothered you about plasma?[16:57:04] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:57:45] <Jeannie> I fet lost in configuration, it felt extremely sluggish, it took almost 2 minutes to start up, and I won't talk about kmail in detail here[16:58:05] <othniel> sluggish i agree[16:58:13] <othniel> anyone on here use budgie?[16:58:23] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has joined #manjaro[16:58:24] <elcaven> valid points, im not noticing anything of the sluggishness tho, it boots fast for me[16:58:36] <elcaven> certainly not 2 min[16:58:53] <Jeannie> I mean, my MATE de boots in less than 20 seconds from my hdd,[16:59:12] <Jeannie> The same hdd needs 2 minutes to start up plasma?[16:59:52] <elcaven> then i get why youd go for the faster one[17:00:13] <elcaven> ill for sure try out more DE's once i get the time for it, now i just went with the first that was alright enough for me[17:01:28] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[17:01:47] <elcaven> id love to give a tiling wm a try but dunno if itd be suitable for what i use my laptop[17:03:23] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:04:41] <berm> I boot in 4 seconds with plasma[17:04:57] <berm> I have a ssd, but still, 20 seconds??[17:05:00] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[17:05:19] <othniel> whatse the lightest DE[17:05:24] <Jeannie> To login or to a system that's rad to be used to get thing sdone?[17:05:38] <berm> Jeannie: login[17:05:47] <berm> But after login 2 secs or something[17:06:08] <Jeannie> I can hardly believe that[17:06:18] <berm> Euh[17:06:51] <berm> I modified grub (doesn't show), and fastboot in my bios (does not really show either)[17:06:55] <berm> and a fresh install :P[17:07:09] <berm> my 3rd reinstall[17:07:32] <Jeannie> I installed various systems in the last 3 weeks[17:08:04] <Jeannie> Tried all "traditional" DEs to see which one works as replacement for MATE[17:08:36] <jurislav> to me, cinnamon makes the mest mix of tiling and non-tiling wm/de..[17:08:43] <jurislav> so clear winner for me[17:08:55] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has joined #manjaro[17:08:57] <jurislav> starts fast too[17:08:59] <berm> plasma here[17:09:07] <jurislav> yeah, I broke that one lately :)[17:09:13] <berm> but Jeannie you still don't believe me?[17:09:19] <berm> jurislav: I did too[17:09:21] <berm> 3 times[17:09:22] <berm> xD[17:09:24] <jurislav> :)[17:09:26] <berm> 2* times[17:09:30] <berm> 3rd is comming[17:09:30] <berm> :P[17:09:42] <jurislav> but cinnamon, I always manage to fix it by some sort of a reset/whatever[17:09:45] <Jeannie> Based on my own experiences with Plasma5 it's hard to believe you for me[17:09:45] <jurislav> not possible in kde[17:10:07] <berm> And why is that?[17:10:24] <Jeannie> Cause my boot time was 2 minutes with it[17:10:41] <berm> I got my ubuntu running with unity in 2.5 seconds[17:10:46] <jurislav> well, hdds are shit nowadays..[17:10:49] <berm> with fastboot no grubs[17:10:52] <berm> grub*[17:11:01] <jurislav> berm: how do you remove grub..>[17:11:03] <jurislav> ?[17:11:08] <Jeannie> My old machine does not have fastboot[17:11:12] <berm> grubmodifyer[17:11:17] <jurislav> hmm[17:11:19] <berm> I have one hell of a system :)[17:11:54] <berm> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/grub-customizer/[17:11:54] <Jeannie> My i7/ GTX770m/16 GB Laptop isn't that underpowered either[17:11:55] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/FgykRP] AUR (en) - grub-customizer[17:12:09] <berm> hehehe, not underpowerd no[17:12:10] *** pingupingu <pingupingu!~pinguping@unaffiliated/pingupingu> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:12:14] <berm> But mine is better :)[17:12:21] <Jeannie> And I don't think it is a good idea to hide grub[17:12:30] <Jeannie> You're male, right?[17:12:31] <jurislav> berm: you mean grub-customizer?[17:12:45] <berm> jurislav: Yeah, thats why I send the link[17:12:54] <jurislav> ah, sorry, didn't notice[17:12:58] <jurislav> th[17:13:00] <jurislav> x[17:13:02] <berm> np[17:13:08] <berm> Jeannie: I am male indeed[17:13:09] <berm> atleast[17:13:10] <jurislav> didn;t know you can remove gruba and speed up the machine[17:13:12] <berm> I think so[17:13:19] <berm> wait, let me check[17:13:27] <berm> yes, definetly[17:13:28] <Jeannie> "Mine is better" usually indicates that someone is male[17:13:45] <berm> Jeannie: Yeah, just stating facts[17:13:54] <berm> Jeannie: Thought you did not believe me ;)[17:14:02] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has joined #manjaro[17:14:03] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:14:21] <berm> running at 4.6 ghz 12 gb ram (yeah I know, should upgrade that) and a 970 gtx[17:14:27] <Jeannie> I usually call such mine is better behaviour c**k comparison[17:14:30] <berm> and a ssd :)[17:14:44] <berm> Jeannie: No, just my lack of english skills to explain it better[17:14:49] <berm> if you know what I try to say[17:14:56] <berm> get*[17:15:02] <Jeannie> Yes, your computer is better than mine...[17:15:11] <berm> No, I meant[17:15:24] <johnblood> othniel: I'm testing budgie now[17:15:31] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@213.181.39.195> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:15:34] <berm> I'm not coky, just lack the english skills to make it sound less :P[17:15:51] <berm> Jeannie: dutch by any chance? :)[17:16:15] <othniel> Awesome johnblood what u think ?[17:16:21] <Jeannie> Half german, living in germany[17:16:29] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:16:55] <berm> Jeannie: half german? :p[17:17:02] <berm> Jeannie: and half ? what[17:17:13] <Jeannie> quarter breton, quarter french[17:17:17] <berm> well[17:17:21] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[17:17:32] <johnblood> othniel: I like it[17:17:35] <berm> bonjour <-- can't get any further than that[17:17:51] *** Softeisbieger <Softeisbieger!~Softeisbi@ip-62-143-13-166.hsi01.unitymediagroup.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:17:57] <othniel> its great hey budgie will be where many will go to[17:18:05] <johnblood> othniel I like the animations and stuff. It gives your a nice look without killing your system[17:18:09] <Jeannie> demat deoc'h[17:18:25] <othniel> yes opposite to kde[17:18:48] <johnblood> Jeannie: half German, half Polish[17:19:06] <othniel> johnblood budie is great[17:19:10] <johnblood> Jeannie: don't know much of either language. I can say it, but no spell it :)[17:19:31] <johnblood> othniel: I wish there more applets to install[17:19:33] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:19:44] <johnblood> othniel: but, yes it is nice[17:20:12] <johnblood> othniel: I'm testing out different DEs on my laptop and my use Budgie and JWM[17:20:21] <Jeannie> JWM is no DE[17:21:10] <johnblood> Right, it's a windows manager[17:21:17] <johnblood> I keep getting them confused[17:21:19] <othniel> yes the lack of applets is a drawback johnblood[17:21:57] <johnblood> Jeannie: must be the dumb pollock in me[17:22:30] <Jeannie> Some of my best friends are haf or fully polish[17:22:38] <NanoSector> berm, there is #manjaro-nl if you want to chat[17:22:47] <othniel> could u install JWM on kde would it help with performance issues[17:22:55] <johnblood> Well, that because poland is right next to germany[17:23:40] <Jeannie> That might be a reason.[17:24:02] <johnblood> othniel: I don't think so because they don't work together[17:24:11] <Jeannie> For me the nationality or ethnicity of a person does not matter at all by the way[17:24:21] <othniel> thanks johnblood[17:24:51] <johnblood> othniel: no prob[17:26:05] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[17:26:10] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:27:08] <berm> NanoSector: there is? nice[17:30:45] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[17:35:00] *** othniel <othniel!~manjaro-k@105.10.181.166> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:36:10] *** othniel <othniel!~manjaro-k@105.11.164.206> has joined #manjaro[17:37:46] *** Chevelle <Chevelle!~Chevelle_@c-69-138-157-46.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[17:45:30] *** Tuxman__ is now known as Tuxman[17:45:34] *** Tuxman 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<Strit_Laptop!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[18:41:07] <manjaro-kde5--> does anyone know how to switch quickly between sound outputs in plasma five?[18:42:42] *** manjaro-web|1330 <manjaro-web|1330!be39f2d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.190.57.242.209> has joined #manjaro[18:42:49] <manjaro-web|1330> hello[18:43:06] <manjaro-web|1330> i have an issue[18:43:23] <manjaro-web|1330> windows 7 does not show on grub ;([18:44:04] <manjaro-web|1330> i've tried updating grub, and some other solution on forums but could not solve the problem[18:44:35] <manjaro-kde5--> Which other solutions did you try?[18:44:56] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has joined #manjaro[18:45:26] <manjaro-web|1330> http://askubuntu.com/questions/210914/grub-does-not-show-a-windows-8-option-after-dual-boot[18:45:27] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/3OhaWd] grub2 - Grub does not show a Windows 8 option after dual boot - Ask Ubuntu[18:45:32] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@80.215.236.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:45:34] *** robin0800 <robin0800!robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:45:37] <manjaro-web|1330> reinstalling grub[18:45:49] <manjaro-web|1330> and that of the link[18:46:06] <manjaro-web|1330> the entry appears on grub but it does not find anything to boot[18:46:18] <manjaro-web|1330> im talking about the solution on the link[18:47:03] <manjaro-web|1330> i believe it has something to do with the efi partition[18:48:38] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@user-31-175-46-204.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[18:48:49] *** gpunk <gpunk!~manjaro-m@095-097-098-049.static.chello.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:48:55] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@user-31-175-46-204.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:52:54] *** manjaro-kde5 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<Spec-Chum!~Russ@host86-140-193-244.range86-140.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[19:10:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Spec-Chum[19:16:46] *** manmi <manmi!~manmi@p4FE17316.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:17:58] *** wellref <wellref!1fb7138d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.183.19.141> has joined #manjaro[19:18:52] <wellref> Hey guys, somebody know what to do with the VirtualBox error ( Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) ) ?[19:19:19] <johnblood> nope[19:19:40] <Strit_Laptop> wellref, did you reboot after installing/updated virtualbox or kernel?[19:20:31] <wellref> Yes, I rebooted my machine. The command '/sbin/rcvboxdrv setup' doesn't help me either.[19:20:59] <Strit_Laptop> wellref, what about the usual "sudo modprobe vboxdrv"?[19:21:07] <wellref> modules: modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxnetadp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.13-1-MANJARO[19:21:07] <wellref> Loading modules: modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxnetadp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.13-1-MANJARO[19:21:07] <wellref> Loading modules: modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxnetadp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.13-1-MANJARO[19:21:07] <wellref> Loading modules: modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxnetadp not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.13-1-MANJARO[19:21:07] <wellref> let me try it[19:21:44] <wellref> Sadly doesn't work either. The error above is my problem[19:22:23] <johnblood> what are you running virtualbox on?[19:22:33] <Strit_Laptop> did you also install the host-modules?[19:24:04] <wellref> My system is manjaro 16.06.1 with VirtualBox 5.0.22_OSE r108108[19:24:28] <wellref> Older version from the host modules are installed[19:24:29] <wellref> linux310-virtualbox-host-modules[19:24:29] *** manjaro-web|7227 <manjaro-web|7227!be39f2d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.190.57.242.209> has joined #manjaro[19:24:59] <wellref> running kernel 4.4.13-1[19:25:17] <wellref> Maybe the host modules are to old?[19:25:20] <Strit_Laptop> you need the host modules for linux44.[19:26:11] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has joined #manjaro[19:26:18] *** robindp1456 <robindp1456!~robindp@109.202.101.98> has joined #manjaro[19:26:59] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has joined #manjaro[19:26:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v thenewone[19:27:13] <wellref> thanks @ Strit[19:27:20] <wellref> that was the point[19:27:24] <robindp1456> Hey guys, does anyone run manjaro on a macbook pro?[19:27:59] *** manjaro-web|7227 <manjaro-web|7227!be39f2d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.190.57.242.209> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:28:01] <Strit_Laptop> wellref, so it worked after installing that?[19:29:02] <johnblood> robindp1456: no, but it sounds like fun[19:29:11] <wellref> @Strit, installing the modules for the running kernel (kernel 4.4 needed host-modules 4.4) Strange that a older version of the host-modules was installed (3.x)[19:29:14] <robindp1456> I bought a second hand macbook pro 8,2 (late 2011) from my brother and I'm having major problems installing mint or manjaro[19:29:23] *** tineedde <tineedde!~a@117.195.253.178> has joined #manjaro[19:30:07] <robindp1456> johnblood: fun, or 4 hours of frustration :P[19:30:13] <wellref> robindp1456, that is what Apple gives you for free :) I know that running linux on Apple is a Bitxh[19:30:28] <Strit_Laptop> wellref, well, you proably just installed virtualbox and just pressed enter, when it asked you which host-modules to install. The default is for linux310. :P[19:30:51] <wellref> I tried it once with a live dvd of tails, which didn't worked at all.[19:31:27] <wellref> @Strit, indeed. Maybe I missed it :)[19:31:49] *** darkbit <darkbit!~darkbit@49.144.134.12> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:31:54] <Strit_Laptop> ok. Glad it worked out though.[19:32:12] <robindp1456> When booting ins-to the live usb I first get the usual wall off text followed by a black screen + cursor of death[19:32:33] <robindp1456> Using the arch wiki I can get the cursor to blink for me[19:32:44] <Strit_Laptop> robindp1456, did you try nomodeset?[19:33:03] <Strit_Laptop> and/or free/nonfree drivers?[19:33:29] <robindp1456> s/ins-to/into[19:33:44] <robindp1456> *bangs head on table*[19:34:54] *** tineedde <tineedde!~a@117.195.253.178> has left #manjaro[19:35:11] <wellref> robindp1456, sell the macbook and buy some real hardware :D[19:43:00] <bugzbunny> No no, give that macbook to me for free, I'll put it to good use[19:45:26] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has joined #manjaro[19:45:38] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:46:28] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:46:29] *** gpunk <gpunk!~manjaro-m@095-097-098-049.static.chello.nl> has joined #manjaro[19:47:01] *** robindp1456 <robindp1456!~robindp@109.202.101.98> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out)[19:47:44] *** wellref <wellref!1fb7138d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.31.183.19.141> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[19:48:14] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[19:48:32] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has joined #manjaro[19:51:11] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has joined #manjaro[19:53:10] *** raleeha <raleeha!~knut@x55b3955a.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined #manjaro[19:53:28] *** slentzen <slentzen!~slentzen@185.108.128.10> has joined #manjaro[19:54:31] <slentzen> I am using Manjaro XFCE, I have a strange problem with my VPN (Private internetaccess) in NetworkManager. When I start the computer, all servers are visible but not selectable, only after restarting NetworkManager using systemctl can I select and use a VPN server. Any ideas on how I track down the course of this issue?[19:57:30] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:01:52] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.0.235> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[20:02:48] *** user123irc_ <user123irc_!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[20:03:48] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::ffac> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:03:54] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::ffac> has joined #manjaro[20:05:10] <bugzbunny> If NetworkManager fails[20:05:27] <bugzbunny> It sucks figuring out what that's the culprit[20:05:36] <bugzbunny> slentzen: you google?[20:09:30] <slentzen> yup but only getting "false positives", hits including either PIA, NetworkManager or OpenVPN, but not anything containing all and being specific to the issue at hand.[20:10:03] <slentzen> now I'm re-reading the arch wiki on system maintenance and trying to see if there are any error messages that could explain it. That might solve the problem[20:14:25] *** user123irc_ <user123irc_!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:14:48] *** user123irc_ <user123irc_!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[20:15:06] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:17:13] *** G8r <G8r!508ce58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.140.229.141> has joined #manjaro[20:17:37] <G8r> Hello there[20:19:49] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:19:52] <Jeannie> Hello[20:20:04] <NanoSector> hi[20:20:04] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has joined #manjaro[20:22:34] *** marco-parillo <marco-parillo!d8cb060b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.203.6.11> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[20:24:13] <G8r> Is here som1 who might help me getting my keys fixed?[20:24:46] <mtn> G8r: maybe if you explain what your problem is someone could help you[20:26:10] <G8r> manjaro was offline for some months now and as i wanted to update the update failed due to invalid keys. i tried refreshing them following the instructions on the wiki but one key stays invalid.[20:27:12] *** bolvary <bolvary!~Thunderbi@adsl-62-167-57-4.adslplus.ch> has joined #manjaro[20:27:24] <mtn> G8r: paste your exact error to dpaste.com and give us the link. if it is one line, paste it here[20:28:10] <G8r> is it ok, when the error is in german?[20:28:35] <mtn> G8r: I can't read it, maybe someone else can[20:29:09] <mtn> G8r: have you done this command? sudo pacman-key --populate archlinux manjaro[20:30:03] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:b3de:3de9:531f:5ce2> has joined #manjaro[20:30:45] <G8r> Yes, i did.[20:31:28] <G8r> then i wanted to refresh the keys and got an error.[20:31:40] <G8r> i'll try to translate it:[20:32:22] <bolvary> Hi there, I have problem with 'Generating pacman keyring master key' hangs on the command 'sudo pacman-key --init'. I have tried the troubleshooting provided in the wiki. G8r might have a similar problem...[20:33:01] <G8r> Ein spezifizierter lokaler Schlüssel konnte nicht vom Schlüssel-Server aktualisiert werden. ==> ERROR: One specificated local key could not be updated from the key-server[20:33:29] <G8r> *specified[20:34:28] *** deathonater <deathonater!~deathonat@cpe-69-203-208-219.nyc.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[20:34:28] *** deathonater <deathonater!~deathonat@cpe-69-203-208-219.nyc.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:34:28] *** deathonater <deathonater!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[20:34:33] <G8r> bolvary: could be a similar problem, yes.[20:35:15] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:36:34] <mtn> did you guys try installing the arch and manjaro keyrings?[20:36:42] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has joined #manjaro[20:37:13] <G8r> i followed the steps in the Wiki (https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Pacman_troubleshooting#Errors_about_Keys)[20:37:13] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ofKVQF] (link was unresponsive: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Pacman_troubleshooting#Errors_about_Keys))[20:37:45] <mtn> G8r: that site is down, so it is not readable. did you try what I just said or not?[20:38:30] <G8r> i first deleted /etc/pacman.d/gnupg[20:38:36] <G8r> then i reinstalled the keyrings[20:38:43] <G8r> then i initialised them[20:39:00] <mtn> G8r: so, you are saying "yes" to my question?[20:39:07] <G8r> yes.[20:39:10] <mtn> ok[20:41:01] <bolvary> I could not install the keyrings. Error: 'Public keyring not found'. So, I ran 'pacman-key --init', which hangs[20:41:15] <elcaven> im on manjaro KDE but tried to install i3-wm, but when i try to log into an i3 session it just keeps loading and then gets stuck, any ideas what this could be?[20:47:47] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:49:13] *** eizua <eizua!~eizua@122.2.98.233> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:49:48] *** G8r <G8r!508ce58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.140.229.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:49:57] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[20:49:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[20:50:02] *** G8r <G8r!508ce58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.140.229.141> has joined #manjaro[20:50:10] <G8r> Sorry, seems i got a timeout[20:50:12] <G8r> i just tried the troubleshooting again. now i also get an error when i try to install the keys. Got this warning: "Public keyring not found; have you run 'pacman-key --init'?". I tried --init and it worked.[20:50:30] *** manmi <manmi!~manmi@p4FE17316.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[20:51:09] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@cpc93486-hatf8-2-0-cust192.9-3.cable.virginm.net> has joined #manjaro[20:51:21] <mtn> G8r: glad you got it working[20:52:10] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[20:52:41] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@cpc93486-hatf8-2-0-cust192.9-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:53:05] <G8r> thanks.[20:53:16] <G8r> i'm off then. have a good night ^^[20:53:23] *** G8r <G8r!508ce58d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.140.229.141> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:53:26] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:56:26] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~david@199-112-178-69.gci.net> has joined #manjaro[20:56:57] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~david@199-112-178-69.gci.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[20:57:19] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[20:57:21] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has joined #manjaro[21:00:13] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ipbcc0f0cb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #manjaro[21:03:02] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:03:17] *** user123irc_ <user123irc_!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:03:28] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:04:04] *** zz_MyPictures is now known as MyPictures[21:04:31] <Condor> http://i.imgur.com/8ewwBcF.png[21:04:31] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/iEVFrN] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[21:04:46] <Condor> I don't understand what I'm doing wrong[21:04:54] <Condor> I *should* have ownership of this directory[21:05:02] <Condor> under my user[21:05:13] <Condor> it's a local directory that needs to be shared over ftp to my other devices[21:06:19] <bugzbunny> Even root can be denied if the permissions are not set properly... I am looking[21:06:45] <Condor> bugzbunny: thanks :)[21:07:02] <Condor> root is able to enter the directory[21:07:22] <bugzbunny> Condor: You execute permission I think[21:07:37] <bugzbunny> You need execute permission I think, on the directory[21:07:44] <bugzbunny> not files[21:07:50] <Condor> why?[21:08:31] <Condor> i'm using proftpd as the ftp daemon[21:08:32] <bugzbunny> I've come across that problem, read and write, seem not be enough[21:08:42] <Condor> i'll try[21:08:59] <bugzbunny> I've always execute bit, I have to look up the reason[21:09:12] <bugzbunny> s/execute/add execute bit/[21:09:22] <bugzbunny> on the user[21:09:29] <bugzbunny> Not Group or Other[21:10:31] <Condor> ok[21:11:01] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@ipbcc0f0cb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:11:04] <Condor> i want to add those changes to all the directories inside /media[21:11:06] <bugzbunny> [lutchyh@lutchy-pc ~]$ mkdir condor[21:11:07] <bugzbunny> [lutchyh@lutchy-pc ~]$ chmod 0600 condor[21:11:07] <bugzbunny> [lutchyh@lutchy-pc ~]$ cd condor/[21:11:13] <bugzbunny> you, you execute bit[21:11:28] <Condor> if i'm inside /media, i can do just chmod +x . right?[21:11:57] <bugzbunny> for Elemnts1[21:12:13] <bugzbunny> You need chmod 0766[21:12:18] <Condor> okay[21:12:30] <Condor> what does the d flag do?[21:12:45] <Condor> there's on on all of those directories[21:12:51] <bugzbunny> d flad doesn't do anything, it just denotes at as a directory[21:13:10] <bugzbunny> files will have a '-'[21:13:24] <bugzbunny> 'd' for directory[21:15:04] *** manjaro_flux <manjaro_flux!~manjaro-f@adsl-26.46.190.34.tellas.gr> has joined #manjaro[21:15:33] <Condor> http://i.imgur.com/DFI5THp.png[21:15:34] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/fDTsT0] (not a web page, content type: image/png)[21:15:40] <Condor> those are the current permissions[21:15:47] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[21:15:57] <Condor> i will try to ftp into it now[21:16:02] *** elcaven <elcaven!~manjaro-k@62.235.73.108> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:17:03] *** raleeha <raleeha!~knut@x55b3955a.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:17:12] <Condor> local access under my user is okay now[21:17:15] *** madmanwithabox <madmanwithabox!b640e395@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.64.227.149> has joined #manjaro[21:17:16] <Condor> ftp access isn't yet[21:17:19] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@host191-44-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[21:17:26] <Condor> could be my proftpd config[21:17:49] *** open_coder_ <open_coder_!~open_code@85.103.244.158> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:17:53] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:18:00] <Condor> i've seen an option of chrooting into the home directory in that config before[21:18:01] *** manjaroDeepin160 <manjaroDeepin160!~Manjaro-D@host191-44-dynamic.12-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:18:07] <Condor> that could be it[21:18:14] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:18:19] *** manjaro_flux <manjaro_flux!~manjaro-f@adsl-26.46.190.34.tellas.gr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:20:02] <madmanwithabox> I did something.. well.. weird. But I think it was fun. I installed apt and dpkg and now whenever I try to use apt, I get this error: http://pastebin.com/00NLY8Vy[21:20:03] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/JVCDtp] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.18.4ubuntu1.1_amd6 - Pastebin.com[21:22:00] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:23:30] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:23:58] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[21:23:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[21:24:23] <Strit_Laptop> madmanwithabox, why would you even want apt on manjaro?[21:24:46] <Condor> madmanwithabox: you could use aliases for pacman instead[21:24:51] <madmanwithabox> +Strit_Laptop to see if I can do it :P[21:25:05] <madmanwithabox> I've been using manjaro for a long time. I just wanted to see if I could do it :P[21:27:30] <Condor> bugzbunny: it was a stupid error in my curlftpfs command[21:27:49] <bugzbunny> Condor: I am glad you fix it!![21:28:08] <Condor> instead of user:passwd@ip/media/Elements1 it needed to be user:passwd@ip//media/Elements1 :p[21:28:17] <bugzbunny> :)[21:28:19] <Condor> two forward slashes haha[21:28:36] <bugzbunny> I use vsftpd[21:29:16] <bugzbunny> I know with vsftpd, it privsep to the user who logs in[21:30:01] *** madmanwithabox <madmanwithabox!b640e395@gateway/web/freenode/ip.182.64.227.149> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[21:32:17] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:33:23] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has joined #manjaro[21:33:23] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has joined #manjaro[21:35:03] *** deathonater <deathonater!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:37:41] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[21:39:31] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@150.220.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[21:44:42] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.84> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:45:31] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p579907E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:51:18] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:51:49] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[21:51:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[21:53:18] *** manjaro_flux <manjaro_flux!~manjaro-f@adsl-26.46.190.34.tellas.gr> has joined #manjaro[21:54:10] *** manjaro_flux <manjaro_flux!~manjaro-f@adsl-26.46.190.34.tellas.gr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:00:39] <Strit_Laptop> anyone know of a command to check what bands a wifi card is capable of?[22:04:03] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:05:24] *** slentzen <slentzen!~slentzen@185.108.128.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:06:19] <Strit_Laptop> ah lol. "iwconfig" actually shows it in the first line of the wifi. :P[22:10:48] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[22:12:25] *** johnblood <johnblood!~johnblood@c-50-133-109-146.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:14:23] *** robindp1456 <robindp1456!~robindp@178-119-42-45.access.telenet.be> has joined #manjaro[22:17:34] *** NNN <NNN!~test@37.57.0.235> has joined #manjaro[22:20:10] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-228.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:20:38] *** bolvary <bolvary!~Thunderbi@adsl-62-167-57-4.adslplus.ch> has quit IRC (Quit: bolvary)[22:22:00] *** djb-irc <djb-irc!~djb-irc@129.13.154.138> has joined #manjaro[22:22:12] *** xspeed <xspeed!~xsp@89.222.181.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:23:52] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-cxwmcoalvidkhncq> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[22:25:49] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[22:26:11] *** wvi <wvi!~wvi@ip-78-45-199-33.net.upcbroadband.cz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:33:40] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[22:33:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[22:35:28] <Condor> duude[22:35:34] <Condor> what's happening in here???[22:36:32] *** MyPictures is now known as zz_MyPictures[22:39:27] *** user123irc <user123irc!~quassel@78-62-111-164.static.zebra.lt> has joined #manjaro[22:39:51] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has joined #manjaro[22:39:52] *** NoirLess <NoirLess!~noirless@ppp91-122-161-160.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru> has joined #manjaro[22:41:04] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@158.189.22.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[22:42:50] *** Cookiehunter <Cookiehunter!~cookiehun@host81-140-169-203.range81-140.btcentralplus.com> has joined #manjaro[22:42:52] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jack@2a01:cb19:187:c200:ccde:1c38:4d9e:feaa> has joined #manjaro[22:43:13] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@150.220.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[22:45:11] *** cspack <cspack!~cspack@162.216.46.34> has joined #manjaro[22:45:48] *** NeoRanger <NeoRanger!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/neoranger> has joined #manjaro[22:46:37] <NeoRanger> Hi everyone[22:47:05] *** Hobbyboy <Hobbyboy!Hobbyboy@gateway/shell/panicbnc/x-jeeakaavwixjrsuh> has joined #manjaro[22:47:14] <manjaro-kde5--> Does someone know how to change the sound output in Plasma 5 quickly? (normal output Headset via USB, occasional switch to HDMI output)[22:48:04] <NeoRanger> Can i ask you if you want to test an tool that we create with some friends? The git repo is http://github.com/kernelpanicblog/script-post-instalacion The tools is called MPIS (Manjaro Post Install Script)[22:48:06] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/4dhAGe] GitHub - KernelPanicBlog/Script-Post-instalacion: Manjaro Post Install Script[22:48:46] <Jeannie> Wasn't drag and drop output switching introduced in Plasma 5.7?[22:49:32] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[22:51:49] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13639.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:52:00] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[22:53:32] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:53:32] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:53:57] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@158.189.22.95.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:54:05] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[22:55:05] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@207.84.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es> has joined #manjaro[22:55:32] *** Sail0r <Sail0r!~Sailor@2a01:4f8:190:3484:1::ffac> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:55:56] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@207.84.218.87.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:56:27] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~ly@189.243.222.250> has joined #manjaro[22:56:44] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Quit: Potzblitz!)[22:56:47] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jack@2a01:cb19:187:c200:ccde:1c38:4d9e:feaa> has left #manjaro[22:56:51] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:57:33] *** cspack <cspack!~cspack@162.216.46.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:58:02] *** Manj-811-Xfce2 <Manj-811-Xfce2!~ly@189.243.222.250> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:58:46] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[22:59:28] <flipper-maniac> manjaro-kde5--, for hdmi, this worked for me, https://forum.manjaro.org/t/solved-toggle-sound-hdmi/2883/1[22:59:29] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/4vblMm] [SOLVED]Toggle sound HDMI - Newbie Corner - Manjaro[23:01:15] *** [[[archtard]]] <[[[archtard]]]!~bonehead@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/archtard/x-42966204> has joined #manjaro[23:01:22] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[23:05:22] <manjaro-kde5--> flipper-maniac: Thatnks for the suggestion, but in my case the display is obviously always connected. I just listen to sound output via HDMI most of the time.[23:05:45] <manjaro-kde5--> flipper-maniac: "via USB" I meaned. Sorry.[23:07:04] <manjaro-kde5--> flipper-maniac: but if I want to switch to HDMI output for a time, I cannot find a solution without messing up the system preferences and restarting the programs...[23:07:45] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[23:08:34] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has joined #manjaro[23:08:41] *** NeoRanger <NeoRanger!~ubuntu@unaffiliated/neoranger> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[23:09:12] *** hisforever <hisforever!~Manjarous@192.161.76.87> has joined #manjaro[23:09:22] *** Chevelle <Chevelle!~Chevelle_@c-69-138-157-46.hsd1.ky.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[23:09:38] *** cspack <cspack!~cspack@162.216.46.34> has joined #manjaro[23:11:30] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has joined #manjaro[23:12:41] *** hai <hai!~hai_bar@92.253.16.8> has joined #manjaro[23:14:28] *** Cookiehunter <Cookiehunter!~cookiehun@host81-140-169-203.range81-140.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:16:00] *** hai_bar <hai_bar!~hai_bar@46.185.186.75> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[23:17:50] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@x4db35d5f.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[23:19:40] *** yabbes <yabbes!~yabbes@2a02:908:2f32:2960:99a4:29f4:e031:d711> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:19:56] *** Vlado9A <Vlado9A!~Vlado9A@unaffiliated/vlado9a> has quit IRC (Quit: bbl)[23:22:32] *** [[[archtard]]] <[[[archtard]]]!~bonehead@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/archtard/x-42966204> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:24:41] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:25:00] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[23:26:05] *** hisforever <hisforever!~Manjarous@192.161.76.87> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:34:35] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:35:36] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[23:39:28] *** Sashimi <Sashimi!~Sashimi@LFbn-1-1049-239.w86-247.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[23:41:50] *** slayslot <slayslot!~slayslot@171.50.180.162> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:46:20] *** kaelthas <kaelthas!~kaelthas@unaffiliated/kaelthas> has joined #manjaro[23:46:29] <kaelthas> Hi everyone.[23:47:10] <kaelthas> Can anyone help me with installing VirtualBox?[23:47:34] <kaelthas> I am stuck here: You will need to choose a package to provide host modules:[23:47:34] <kaelthas> for linux kernel choose virtualbox-host-modules-arch[23:47:34] <kaelthas> for other kernels choose virtualbox-host-dkms[23:47:43] <kaelthas> What do I need to choose?[23:48:34] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:49:33] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:49:42] <LyriCa> anybody knows of a time-machine like gui program,?[23:50:17] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@93-44-100-96.ip96.fastwebnet.it> has joined #manjaro[23:50:25] *** Iron0xid <Iron0xid!~Iron0xid@p54996649.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[23:50:28] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@93-44-100-96.ip96.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:52:20] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@81.202.56.168.dyn.user.ono.com> has joined #manjaro[23:52:38] *** Smeef <Smeef!~deathonat@unaffiliated/smeef> has joined #manjaro[23:52:51] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[23:53:17] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@81.202.56.168.dyn.user.ono.com> has left #manjaro[23:56:10] *** robindp1456 <robindp1456!~robindp@178-119-42-45.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:58:03] *** thenewone <thenewone!~thenewone@unaffiliated/thenewone> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[23:58:21] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:58:47] <mparillo> kaelthas: Installing VirtualBox in Manjaro? Are you following: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=VirtualBox#Installing_VirtualBox_and_its_Extension_Pack[23:58:47] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/MD1xtS] (link was unresponsive: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=VirtualBox#Installing_VirtualBox_and_its_Extension_Pack)[23:59:47] <zero-ghost> kaelthas: are you using manjaro?