July 9, 2016 
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July 9, 2016 [00:01:21] *** Pablo_ <Pablo_!~Pablo@189.114.177.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #manjaro[00:03:00] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:04:21] *** Sashimi <Sashimi!~Sashimi@LFbn-1-1049-239.w86-247.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:04:30] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has quit IRC (Quit: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)[00:05:36] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:06:02] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:06:36] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[00:06:49] *** Diomedes <Diomedes!~Diomedes@xonotic/supporter/Diomedes> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:07:44] *** Marc3l <Marc3l!~Marc3l@static.166.237.9.176.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC 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<Matombo!~Matombo@p57991BC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:20:14] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-5-173-55-189.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[00:20:15] <linux-dream> how can i check which installed packages are maintained in the multilib repository?[00:20:59] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:21:23] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:23:34] *** Pablo_ <Pablo_!~Pablo@189.114.177.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:23:55] <linux-dream> nvm[00:23:57] <linux-dream> doe[00:24:00] <linux-dream> done[00:24:42] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@190.167.23.118> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[00:27:21] <kefz> lmao[00:27:24] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:27:27] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@NTL208H101-89-5.nt.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:27:49] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:27:50] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:28:14] *** BryzNSTY <BryzNSTY!~manjaro-k@209.95.50.93> has joined #manjaro[00:30:53] <linux-dream> uh oh[00:31:12] <linux-dream> im about to delete manjaro-pulse and 33 other packages with it[00:31:18] <linux-dream> is it safe?[00:31:43] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has joined #manjaro[00:32:13] *** snypz <snypz!~lynkzX@c-24-131-10-188.hsd1.va.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[00:32:15] <Jeannie> What are you doing?[00:32:53] <linux-dream> removing the packages that are in multilib repo[00:33:06] <linux-dream> already removed lib32-systemd and about 30 others[00:33:30] <linux-dream> eventually i'll comment out the multilib repository in pacman.conf[00:33:42] <Jeannie> Why?[00:33:45] <linux-dream> i dont need 32 bits apps in my computer[00:33:49] <Jeannie> Sure?[00:33:55] <linux-dream> yes[00:34:19] *** Dark_Blue_Bird <Dark_Blue_Bird!~Shark@178.162.198.111> has quit IRC (Quit: -a- IRC for Android 2.1.31)[00:34:26] <linux-dream> i just don-t know whether manjaro absolutely depend on it, in which case i'd have to install a few other packages if i do that[00:34:37] <linux-dream> i mean manjaro xfce[00:35:12] <linux-dream> ok I've just removed 110 packages. need to reboot to check whether I broke something[00:35:16] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:35:20] <Jeannie> Why don't you build a system based on the netinstall instead of stripping down your system ( and possibly breaking it by that)?[00:35:34] *** Pablo_ <Pablo_!~Pablo@189.114.177.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has joined #manjaro[00:35:47] <Lowl3v3l> Jeannie, afaik the netinstall got multilib enabled by default too[00:35:49] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[00:36:05] <Lowl3v3l> and if its about installing a minimal system... manjaro is a bad starting point anyway^[00:36:48] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[00:37:01] <linux-dream> boots fine, internet works. wow[00:37:28] <Jeannie> I'm sure you'll break your system soon[00:37:29] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:37:35] <linux-dream> about 8 more packages to remove and i;ll be free from multilib[00:37:40] *** manjaro-kde5-- <manjaro-kde5--!~manjaro-k@AToulouse-652-1-79-209.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:38:26] <Lowl3v3l> Jeannie, well manjaro is so bloated, you i'd assume you could remove 200 or 300 packages without breaking it[00:39:04] <linux-dream> i have arch on another machine, and multilib is disabled there . trying to achieve the same with manjaro. so far so good[00:39:07] <linux-dream> im almost there[00:39:22] <Jeannie> TROAE, multilib[00:39:29] <Lowl3v3l> well there is a big difference between building up and stripping down^^[00:39:40] <linux-dream> i agree[00:40:05] <linux-dream> building up, the system always works and worked. stripping down is always 1 step closer to the cliff[00:41:07] <kefz> ;.-()[00:41:09] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has joined #manjaro[00:41:09] <linux-dream> gosh i can't[00:41:39] *** day|flip <day|flip!~Days@c-67-190-61-238.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[00:41:45] <linux-dream> gcc-libs-multilib would break tons of packages.[00:42:00] <linux-dream> looks like they used gcc 32 bits to build many packages[00:42:58] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, well no.[00:43:26] <Lowl3v3l> try installing gcc and gcc libs, you should be able to just substitute the multilib builds with it.[00:43:59] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@181.29.131.93> has joined #manjaro[00:44:27] <linux-dream> :: gcc and gcc-multilib are in conflict. Remove gcc-multilib? [y/N] I do yes?[00:44:43] <Lowl3v3l> yes. should work^^[00:44:54] <kefz> hehehehe u 1337 h4x0r[00:44:57] <Lowl3v3l> afaik its just the same package built with slightly different flags.[00:45:01] <linux-dream> thank you very much Lowl3v3l[00:45:14] <Lowl3v3l> at least i'd assume, i dont know exactly what the maintainers do there[00:45:27] <linux-dream> i understand that manjaro needs compatibility for 32 bits systems[00:45:49] <linux-dream> but when you have a 64 bits os i think it's ok to remove the 32 bits stuff ^^[00:45:55] *** snypz <snypz!~lynkzX@c-24-131-10-188.hsd1.va.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:46:21] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #manjaro[00:46:28] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@181.29.131.93> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:46:41] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-cbsaashokxkeqqxo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[00:46:44] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[00:46:49] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, nope, completely different reason. multilib is NOT the same as the 32 bit distribution.[00:47:07] <linux-dream> oh[00:47:23] <linux-dream> also i must remove manjaro-alsa[00:47:30] <tmnvanderberg> I can't get into X when I disable KMS. I am using catalyst, installed by mhwd. Funny thing is, catalyst does not support kms. Performance sucks when I do get into X (with kms enabled!).[00:47:36] <linux-dream> to get entirely rid of the multilib repo[00:47:51] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, well if manjaro uses pulse per default you could possibly... dunno.[00:48:05] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-wzkxvwcegemhuptz> has joined #manjaro[00:48:05] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:48:06] <linux-dream> i removed manjaro-pulse already[00:48:17] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, in general : what you do there is likely to break everything as you do not seem to have a solid grasp on what you do[00:48:26] <Jeannie> I agree[00:48:31] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, well then probably you want to keep at least alsa around ;)[00:48:33] <linux-dream> i know and i agree[00:48:49] <linux-dream> can't i install alsa without multilib?[00:49:24] <Jeannie> No[00:49:51] <tmnvanderberg> Did I mention how I can[00:49:54] <linux-dream> still cant remove gcc-libs-multilib would break over 40 packages[00:50:02] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, well its possible, there are 64 bit builds of alsa around...[00:50:16] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, then the manjaro devs did some crazy ass magic there o.o[00:50:25] <tmnvanderberg> Did I mention how I can't get in X with catalyst when I disable KMS? I just get a gray screen.[00:50:29] <tmnvanderberg> :p[00:50:49] <tmnvanderberg> this is weird as frak[00:51:19] <kefz> tee hee[00:51:30] <linux-dream> Lowl3v3l, here is 1 line of the ouput when i do pacman -Rs : :: unrar: removing gcc-libs-multilib breaks dependency 'gcc-libs'[00:51:30] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has joined #manjaro[00:51:48] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has joined #manjaro[00:51:52] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[00:52:02] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, dunno, im no manjaro dev, no expert on manjaro specifically and not even a user :p[00:52:12] <linux-dream> ill post on the forum[00:52:23] <steepleone> :)[00:52:48] <linux-dream> 891 packages installed. it was over 1000 on a fresh install[00:53:25] <linux-dream> btw im told on the forum : if you disable multilib in /etc/pacman.conf and -Sy , will the lib32 packages show up under pacman -Qm alongside aur stuff ? Then you get an easy list of which 32-bit stuff don't belong in your system.[00:53:30] <Jeannie> Running on a 15 gb HDD?[00:53:35] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@178.74.62.78> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:54:49] *** julesmachine <julesmachine!~julesmach@189.172.75.205> has joined #manjaro[00:54:56] *** ganza90 <ganza90!9a46c638@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.154.70.198.56> has joined #manjaro[00:55:45] *** julesmachine <julesmachine!~julesmach@189.172.75.205> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:55:56] *** ganza90 <ganza90!9a46c638@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.154.70.198.56> has left #manjaro[00:56:17] <day|flip> will not the best of ideas.. buttttt.... pacman -Rdd can remove it. but really is a bad idea unless you know wth your doing[00:56:36] <linux-dream> do u think i know what im doing ^^[00:56:44] <day|flip> no idea[00:57:00] <Lowl3v3l> linux-dream, not in the slightest.[00:57:02] <day|flip> just helping you out with a clue[00:57:18] *** GenZai <GenZai!~emil@mnt60-1-88-186-66-2.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:57:22] <day|flip> blues clues ;)[00:57:33] <day|flip> ^.^[00:58:14] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@cpe-76-185-46-46.tx.res.rr.com> has joined #manjaro[00:58:15] *** manjaroCinnamon1 <manjaroCinnamon1!~Manjarous@cpe-76-185-46-46.tx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:59:48] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:03:15] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has joined #manjaro[01:03:46] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[01:04:07] *** Amplificator <Amplificator!~quassel@unaffiliated/amplificator> has joined #manjaro[01:05:26] *** bad63r <bad63r!~bad63r@unaffiliated/bad63r> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:05:51] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@186.149.198.206> has joined #manjaro[01:07:56] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.208> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:10:52] <manjaro-kde5-> hi[01:11:03] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:12:14] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has left #manjaro[01:12:31] <manjaro-kde5-> hola[01:12:48] *** manjaro-kde5- is now known as gmvate[01:12:49] <xangua> Hola cara de cola[01:13:01] <gmvate> este cuate[01:13:12] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@82-115-120-92.ktk-ip.de> has joined #manjaro[01:13:13] *** manj-1603-Lxde1 <manj-1603-Lxde1!~manjaro@82-115-120-92.ktk-ip.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[01:13:21] <gmvate> ho aqui hay que hablan español[01:13:24] <gmvate> que raro[01:13:57] <gmvate> una pregunta si pueden[01:17:50] *** manjaroi3 <manjaroi3!~manjaro-i@190.201.105.53> has joined #manjaro[01:17:54] *** manjaroi3 is now known as Odar[01:17:56] <NoirLess> if someone broke steam today too and wiped all settings - thats major problem[01:17:59] <NoirLess> just notice[01:19:57] <linux-dream> gmvate, dale[01:20:03] <linux-dream> cual es la pregunta[01:21:30] *** Pablo_ <Pablo_!~Pablo@189.114.177.172.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:26:22] *** Ace0r <Ace0r!~aceor@184.68.170.134> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:26:51] *** Odar <Odar!~manjaro-i@190.201.105.53> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:27:20] <gmvate> ok escontre la cura[01:27:29] <gmvate> ya encontre la cura[01:28:04] <gmvate> aqui hay un grupo para los cuates en español ?[01:28:32] <linux-dream> quê quieres decir por cuates[01:32:21] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:32:30] <xangua> Catafixeala mi cuate[01:38:26] *** Ace0r <Ace0r!~aceor@71.19.248.66> has joined #manjaro[01:41:18] *** robin0800 <robin0800!~robin0800@cpc83567-brig19-2-0-cust960.3-3.cable.virginm.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:44:28] *** alexandros_c <alexandros_c!~alexandro@unaffiliated/alexandros-c/x-1684531> has quit IRC (Quit: goodnight and happy Sabbath :))[01:44:43] *** Ace0r <Ace0r!~aceor@71.19.248.66> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:45:10] <linux-dream> lol[01:45:20] <linux-dream> i just realize manjaro got installed without uefi[01:45:22] <linux-dream> ....[01:45:36] *** Amplificator <Amplificator!~quassel@unaffiliated/amplificator> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:45:38] <linux-dream> but no big deal since it works i guess[01:45:50] *** Amplificator <Amplificator!~quassel@unaffiliated/amplificator> has joined #manjaro[01:47:46] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p50818194.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[01:49:36] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[01:49:48] <Jeannie> UEFI is as useful as a blowfly[01:51:31] *** optics <optics!~optics@unaffiliated/optics> has joined #manjaro[01:51:37] *** manjaro-web|1763 <manjaro-web|1763!499eb1e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.158.177.233> has joined #manjaro[01:52:01] *** gmvate <gmvate!~manjaro-k@186.149.198.206> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[01:53:37] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:54:17] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[02:00:17] *** Ace0r <Ace0r!~aceor@184.68.170.134> has joined #manjaro[02:00:34] <linux-dream> lol[02:00:52] <linux-dream> i removed so many packages that this fixed my problem of being afk 10 minutes and screen would lock ^^[02:02:37] <Jeannie> What's behind your obsession with removing packages?[02:06:29] *** gwmedrano <gwmedrano!wmedrano@nat/google/x-wzkxvwcegemhuptz> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:07:32] <linux-dream> not much but an irrational behavior[02:07:57] <linux-dream> i feel bad when i have tons of packages i dont use and i need to update over and over[02:11:41] <kefz> manjaro[02:11:42] <kefz> :)[02:15:43] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[02:19:25] *** Jeannie <Jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[02:20:29] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:20:52] *** not_dammit <not_dammit!~manjaro-k@bas2-toronto61-2925079864.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[02:23:06] *** manjaro-web|1763 <manjaro-web|1763!499eb1e9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.73.158.177.233> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Support for Manjaro Editions - Manjaro[03:51:57] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:52:04] <moayad> can i install manjaro from windows ? is there any possible way to install the manjaro than cd[03:52:23] <manots> no[03:52:28] <manots> however[03:52:31] <manots> you can use usb[03:53:11] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[03:53:29] *** moayad <moayad!4d1e39e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.30.57.227> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[03:55:44] <day|flip> linux-dream, your there?[03:56:00] <linux-dream> yes day|flip[03:56:04] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-5-173-55-189.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:56:09] <day|flip> ok[03:56:13] *** moayad <moayad!4d1e39e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.30.57.227> has joined #manjaro[03:56:14] <linux-dream> im almost done getting free of multilib packages[03:56:22] <linux-dream> just a few remain and im unable to remove them[03:56:31] <moayad> thanks manots[03:56:45] <day|flip> sudo pacman -Rdd gcc-libs-multilib lib32-gcc-libs lib32-glibc[03:57:01] <manots> np[03:57:02] <linux-dream> hmm what does Rdd do?[03:57:17] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vhgchxofybwqupvm> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[03:57:17] <linux-dream> basically i fear to break about 40 packages afterwards ^^[03:57:27] <day|flip> it will remove those package. but ignore the other depenies[03:57:58] <linux-dream> isn,t it bad then?[03:58:10] <linux-dream> should i fix the dep first[03:58:11] <day|flip> yea if your not using it[03:58:30] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-5-173-55-189.play-internet.pl> has joined #manjaro[03:58:44] <linux-dream> i mean it will break libreoffice[03:58:51] <linux-dream> and other important things like that[03:59:08] <day|flip> what happen when you end put that command?[03:59:25] <linux-dream> lemme try[03:59:55] <linux-dream> removed the 3 packages[04:00:06] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[04:00:07] <day|flip> be sure you install gcc-lib[04:00:27] <linux-dream> oh i should have done that first[04:00:40] <linux-dream> libreoffice doesn't start when i start it[04:01:02] <linux-dream> from terminal i get /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory[04:01:11] *** moayad <moayad!4d1e39e3@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.30.57.227> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[04:01:21] <day|flip> install stdc++[04:01:46] <day|flip> libstdc++5[04:01:50] <day|flip> that the name[04:01:55] <linux-dream> i reinstalled gcclib32 i need to install gcclib normal[04:02:03] <day|flip> wait[04:02:08] <day|flip> not yet[04:02:33] <day|flip> edit pacman.conf[04:02:39] <linux-dream> wait its already installed[04:02:44] <day|flip> # [multilib] # SigLevel = PackageRequired # Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist[04:02:50] <linux-dream> i have both the 32 and 64 bits gcc-lib[04:02:56] <linux-dream> ok let me comment that[04:03:11] <day|flip> it near the bottom[04:03:22] <day|flip> then do pacman -Syy[04:03:28] <linux-dream> do i comment the 3 lines : [multilib][04:03:28] <linux-dream> SigLevel = PackageRequired[04:03:28] <linux-dream> Include = /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist[04:03:35] <day|flip> yes[04:03:43] <day|flip> i done the same thing[04:04:18] <day|flip> now you can remove all the lib32 package but whwd[04:04:18] <linux-dream> ok done. updating now[04:04:30] <linux-dream> i removed a ton already[04:04:39] <linux-dream> including manjaro-pulse and manjaro-somethingelse[04:04:55] <linux-dream> done[04:05:00] <linux-dream> now what[04:05:11] <day|flip> manjaro-bla are just script to install the depens..[04:05:23] <day|flip> what lib32 package you need to uninstalled?[04:06:43] <day|flip> pacman -Qs lib32[04:06:47] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:07:13] <linux-dream> none i think now[04:07:41] <linux-dream> but how do i figure out which packages I must install so that libreoffice and the other 30 or 40 packages work[04:07:42] <day|flip> core/mhwd 0.5.7-1 (base) [installed] <--- this is all that show up for me. you should never remove. unless you really want to brake your systemd[04:08:13] <day|flip> system***[04:08:38] <linux-dream> ok thank you very much . i have it installed too[04:08:51] <day|flip> no problem[04:08:58] <linux-dream> so now to fix unrar: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory[04:09:12] <day|flip> libstdc++5[04:09:13] <linux-dream> i need libstdc++5 ?[04:09:17] <day|flip> yes[04:09:40] *** gmvate <gmvate!~manjaro-k@152.166.119.1> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[04:09:51] <linux-dream> oh i see, it installs gcc-libs-6.1.1-2[04:09:55] <linux-dream> wow nce[04:09:58] <linux-dream> nice[04:10:25] <day|flip> see editing pacman.conf help here[04:10:38] <linux-dream> how[04:10:43] <day|flip> now your system is lib32 free[04:10:47] <linux-dream> yes[04:11:09] <day|flip> you # comment the line for multilb repo[04:11:29] <day|flip> so it skip the line and not read it[04:11:37] <day|flip> so it only read the other line[04:11:40] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.198> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:12:04] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.198> has joined #manjaro[04:13:07] <linux-dream> yes. thank you very much. on arch i have multilib disabled[04:13:13] <linux-dream> so i wanted the same with manjaro[04:13:32] *** tobinski_ <tobinski_!~tobinski@p5DE0C4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[04:14:41] <day|flip> there a few way to keep lib32 from installing[04:15:06] <day|flip> there another way with pacman.conf[04:15:22] <day|flip> Architecture = auto[04:15:23] <day|flip> to[04:15:24] <linux-dream> fine but i guess I'm done[04:15:27] <linux-dream> ah[04:15:32] <linux-dream> x86-64?[04:15:37] <day|flip> yes[04:15:41] <linux-dream> nice[04:15:57] <linux-dream> i've also freed like 350 Mb of extra locale[04:16:05] <linux-dream> with localepurge from the aur[04:16:22] <linux-dream> and edited pacman.conf so that only English doc gets installed[04:16:33] <linux-dream> it wont extract other languages[04:16:35] <day|flip> but just disabling repo it self does just find. since it can't read the repo anymore it can't find those package[04:16:45] <linux-dream> ok[04:17:16] *** tobinski <tobinski!~tobinski@p5DE0C703.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:18:05] <day|flip> I don't know much about the locale thing. but never had any issue keeping it default. the only thing I change is uncomment color line[04:18:27] <day|flip> so pacman will search with colors. I find it helpful[04:19:59] <day|flip> But ya. I do go by Days on the forum[04:20:33] <linux-dream> oh yeah the color thing.. nice[04:21:03] <linux-dream> i dont have problems with default locale, but it's useless to have the doc of many programs like gimp, libreoffice, etc. in chinese and other languages i dont even speak[04:21:25] <day|flip> ahh. Do you have a small hdd?[04:21:26] <linux-dream> so i removed them and prevent them from installing in future, for any program[04:21:32] <linux-dream> not really[04:21:40] <linux-dream> 400 Gb maybe[04:21:49] <day|flip> I do just find with 512gb ssd[04:21:53] <linux-dream> but 25 Gb is enough for me ^^[04:22:17] <linux-dream> i use about 19 Gb on my main laptop and i have it since 1 year and 2 months[04:23:17] <day|flip> mmm: / (sda2) 45.3G 477G.... ehhh[04:23:21] <day|flip> ya[04:23:50] <linux-dream> i have /dev/sda2 454G 4.3G 427G 1% /[04:24:10] <linux-dream> but installed 1 day ago[04:24:26] <day|flip> ahh. i have a few aur package installed[04:24:34] <linux-dream> me too[04:24:44] <linux-dream> cower, localepurge and another one i think[04:24:44] <day|flip> two of with are huge size.[04:25:04] <day|flip> vivaldi-snapshot and atom[04:25:11] <day|flip> atom-editor[04:26:37] <linux-dream> oh nice i didnt know it. do you use it for programming too?[04:28:10] <day|flip> some what. i find it nice way to keep up with my lxqt themes. since i have more then one file to edit[04:28:14] <day|flip> http://pastie.org/10902494[04:28:14] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/nWbgCn] #10902494 - Pastie[04:28:23] <day|flip> all the junk aur stuff i have installed[04:29:04] <day|flip> thelounge is what im using for my irc[04:29:24] <day|flip> it browser base[04:29:40] <day|flip> it can be a client or a self hosting[04:30:43] <linux-dream> ah you too use mpsyt[04:30:52] <linux-dream> i use it too but not from the aur[04:31:11] *** tripped <tripped!~trip@user-36c5b4e.cable.mindspring.com> has joined #manjaro[04:31:13] <kefz> sup tm[04:31:16] <day|flip> ya. as a backup now. mps + youtube-dl work wonders[04:31:39] <day|flip> mpv***[04:32:08] <linux-dream> there,s an extension for Firefox , when u press the button it auto plays the video in the page you are , into mpv[04:32:12] <day|flip> but it will fails at time. so used mps as my backup when mpv + youtube-dl fails to work[04:32:23] * kefz is listening to "The Orb - Montagne D'Or (Der Gute Berg)" .:797kbps / 44kHz / Stereo - 2:37/10:41:.[04:32:37] <linux-dream> hmm strange for me mpv never fails[04:32:40] <linux-dream> at least on youtube[04:33:05] <day|flip> i have it failed me it get weird[04:33:52] <day|flip> then again i go on channel that you need sub on. since it in another language[04:34:29] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[04:34:35] <day|flip> mpv + youtube-dl you can get 4k. on but i have it force to used 1080p[04:34:48] <day|flip> mps your cap at 720p[04:35:02] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-syojumuesirhtpao> has joined #manjaro[04:35:17] <linux-dream> i see[04:35:27] <linux-dream> on my main laptop 720 p max is fine[04:35:38] <linux-dream> it's too slow else[04:36:25] <kefz> Resolution: 1280x720x32bpp 60Hz[04:36:40] <kefz> AKA TV =)[04:36:49] <kefz> 80 inch[04:37:12] <day|flip> .... 80 ince with 720p ehhh[04:37:21] <linux-dream> lol[04:37:35] <day|flip> inch***[04:40:58] <day|flip> some times i hope manjaro hold back on it systemd updates. all because it shut down were driving me mad. i end up using openrc. i'll pick stable used vs keep using in hope for next update to fix it.[04:44:49] *** usrlocalbin <usrlocalbin!~quassel@24-178-231-27.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[04:53:17] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@113.160.6.158> has joined #manjaro[04:53:20] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@113.160.6.158> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[04:53:47] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@117.4.250.231> has joined #manjaro[04:58:28] *** usrlocalbin <usrlocalbin!~quassel@24-178-231-27.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:59:20] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@117.4.250.231> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[04:59:32] *** linux-dream <linux-dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:59:36] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@118.70.74.160> has joined #manjaro[05:00:25] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:01:27] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[05:03:29] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has joined #manjaro[05:07:06] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@118.70.74.160> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[05:08:15] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[05:34:54] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:35:25] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[05:36:35] *** kefz is now known as hashim[05:43:51] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:44:58] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13406.dyn.kponet.fi> has joined #manjaro[05:50:12] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[05:54:59] * vexare mfw https://forum.manjaro.org/t/testing-update-2016-07-06-haskell-python-pamac-firefox-lumina-gnome-session/5380[05:55:00] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/zxFwyu] [Testing Update] 2016-07-06 - Haskell, Python, Pamac, Firefox, Lumina, Gnome-Session - Announcements - Manjaro[05:55:10] * vexare i don't use any of that lol[05:55:31] *** bad_1 <bad_1!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[05:55:33] *** bad_1 <bad_1!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:56:49] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Quit: badbodh)[05:58:07] <Batch> day|flip who was kefz ?[05:58:14] <Batch> idk him lol[05:58:25] <day|flip> no idea[05:58:57] <Batch> i think di0x[05:59:46] <Batch> hashim who are you man lol[05:59:50] <hashim> ;D[05:59:55] *** hashim <hashim!~posix@unaffiliated/kefz> has left #manjaro[06:00:16] <day|flip> and he left[06:00:27] *** hashim <hashim!~posix@unaffiliated/kefz> has joined #manjaro[06:00:32] <hashim> ummm.. kefz[06:00:38] <hashim> no di0x is a bot iirc[06:01:10] <hashim> dont worry about the hug i was fixing a bug[06:01:38] <Batch> sexy[06:01:54] <hashim> i have manjaro on a ssd[06:02:08] <hashim> xfe with chromium terminology games..[06:02:24] <hashim> i dont want to format it[06:03:58] <Batch> :)[06:04:51] * hashim is listening to "The Orb - Oxbow Lakes [Andy's Space Mix]" .:856kbps / 44kHz / Stereo - 2:08/8:45:.[06:09:04] *** aris <aris!~aris@199.227.180.161> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:09:51] *** AleSiS <AleSiS!~AleSiS@user-5-173-55-189.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:13:00] *** aris <aris!~aris@199.227.180.161> has joined #manjaro[06:14:23] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.158.198> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[06:20:33] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@123.194.31.250> has joined #manjaro[06:20:36] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has joined #manjaro[06:24:34] *** Monro <Monro!~Ice9@unaffiliated/monro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[06:27:36] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@123.194.31.250> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[06:28:48] *** IamRight <IamRight!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has joined #manjaro[06:29:42] <IamRight> wayland helps in something?[06:31:36] *** geek <geek!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[06:32:15] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[06:32:44] <hashim> i dont care.[06:32:52] <hashim> BatchX![06:34:14] *** IamRight <IamRight!~geek@unaffiliated/geek> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:43:46] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has joined #manjaro[06:49:19] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@177.193.235.201> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[06:51:20] *** Monro <Monro!~Ice9@unaffiliated/monro> has joined #manjaro[06:59:32] *** MiVo <MiVo!MiVo@2600:3c01:e001:3920::2> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[07:02:32] *** aris <aris!~aris@199.227.180.161> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[07:06:58] *** Troupal <Troupal!~troupal@AToulouse-652-1-79-209.w2-6.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #manjaro[07:09:58] *** hashim <hashim!~posix@unaffiliated/kefz> has left #manjaro[07:12:27] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[07:13:33] *** Oldiesmann <Oldiesmann!~Oldiesman@simplemachines/developer/Oldiesmann> has quit IRC (Quit: No, no, no. Go past this. Pass this part. In fact, never play this again.)[07:14:39] *** aris <aris!~aris@199.227.180.161> has joined #manjaro[07:24:31] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has joined #manjaro[07:31:49] *** mike-zal <mike-zal!~michaldyb@agkn137.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has joined #manjaro[07:38:33] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@202.83.124.31> has joined #manjaro[07:40:31] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@202.83.124.31> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:41:55] *** jeff_er <jeff_er!~jeff@c-73-34-220-124.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[07:42:09] <jeff_er> anyone know if mainstream vpns are able to handle gigabit speeds?[07:57:03] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has joined #manjaro[07:58:34] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[08:01:33] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:09:00] *** forgottenone <forgottenone!~forgotten@195.142.41.149> 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<dean_!~dean@HSI-KBW-078-043-044-253.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #manjaro[09:32:12] *** zshfu <zshfu!~zshfu@unaffiliated/zshfu> has joined #manjaro[09:32:18] *** mohsen_ <mohsen_!057a41f4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.122.65.244> has joined #manjaro[09:36:03] *** dean_ <dean_!~dean@HSI-KBW-078-043-044-253.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:36:11] *** berm <berm!~bermdinge@37.48.109.246> has joined #manjaro[09:36:15] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p5081861B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[09:36:17] <berm> Good morning![09:36:34] <berm> I have a question, what kind of ISO should I download?[09:36:48] <berm> XFCE or KDE?[09:37:31] <berm> I have always used ubuntu, I thought it was time I should go more arch like, manjaro seems to be the awesome solution :)[09:39:52] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[09:40:02] <mohsen_> berm: Read about them on the web, they're two desktop environments.[09:40:03] *** batch_ is now known as Batch[09:40:19] *** Batch_ <Batch_!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[09:41:31] *** Batch_ <Batch_!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:41:38] <berm> mohsen_: Ah ok[09:44:59] *** cc^mint <cc^mint!~Cybertron@p5081861B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:45:21] *** manjaro-kde5__ <manjaro-kde5__!~manjaro-k@151.247.242.165> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[09:48:51] <berm> KDE it is, sorry to bother you guys[09:49:18] <berm> Why is i hosted @ sourceforge?..[09:49:57] <berm> :/[09:49:58] *** Terrorblade <Terrorblade!2737c1f5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.39.55.193.245> has joined #manjaro[09:50:03] <Terrorblade> Hi Guys.[09:51:16] *** anonkun <anonkun!~anonkun@1.ipv4.jackson.mtbnc.us> has quit IRC (Changing host)[09:51:16] *** anonkun <anonkun!~anonkun@unaffiliated/anonkun> has joined #manjaro[09:53:20] <mike-zal> berm: sourceforge seems to be commonly choosen platform for linux isos. if you don't like it or have slow download speek try to set differnt mirro in sourceforge or just use torrents which max out your download[10:02:05] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@p549F9BA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[10:02:48] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[10:05:31] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@c-69-254-134-84.hsd1.nm.comcast.net> has joined #manjaro[10:05:34] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@c-69-254-134-84.hsd1.nm.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:06:47] <ringo32> hi[10:09:05] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[10:13:03] <berm> mike-zal: Sorry, did not mean to offend anyone, but sourceforce has served multiply malware[10:15:17] <mike-zal> maybe, but so far it's the main source of isos and distrubution admins take care of the isos so there should be no problems here. there 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<flawless!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has joined #manjaro[13:54:55] <berm> No, not me atleast :)[13:55:17] <berm> But, does anyone know how to setup dualmonitors?[13:55:32] <berm> Using KDE right now, cant seem to find the problem[13:56:00] <jurislav> berm: you mean extended desktop on 2 displays connected to a machine?[13:56:17] <berm> I have 3 displays, and they all show the same result[13:56:20] <berm> if you know what I mean[13:56:31] <berm> I want to use them unique[13:56:46] <jurislav> same result = same image? like 3 mouse cursors, moving all at once?[13:57:07] *** steepleone <steepleone!~jim@2a01:cb19:187:c200:1b0c:d6c6:4926:dc0c> has left #manjaro[13:58:11] <berm> yes[13:59:27] <berm> maybe I should install arandr[13:59:41] <jurislav> question no.1: does your graphics support 3 monitors?[13:59:55] <jurislav> arandr is just a GUI, and i am sure KDE has one of it's own[14:00:01] <berm> My videocard supports it[14:00:03] <jurislav> so it's just a question of finding it[14:00:12] <berm> I have ran windows perfect with it[14:00:14] <jurislav> hit alt + space and start typing "display"[14:00:16] <berm> gtx 970[14:00:21] *** jeannie <jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has joined #manjaro[14:00:35] <jurislav> or just look for some display settings in the KDE "start" menu[14:01:13] <berm> Yeah, can't seem to find it there[14:01:37] <jurislav> well, arandr will do the job as well[14:02:01] <jurislav> what about googling the thing..? :)[14:02:23] <jurislav> https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Display_and_Monitor[14:02:24] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/1xDX16] (Page title not found or empty. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.)[14:02:50] <berm> arandr did it :)[14:03:26] <berm> wiki.manjaro.org uses an invalid security certificate.[14:03:35] <berm> Maybe time to update? :)[14:04:01] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:06:15] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[14:14:17] <berm> Does anyone have an idea how to install spotidy?[14:14:23] <berm> spotify*[14:14:31] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[14:14:32] <berm> I googled, but all the methods are out of date[14:14:47] <jurislav> yaourt -Ss spotify gives something..?[14:14:57] <berm> Yes, a shitload[14:16:19] <berm> But seemly not the rightone[14:16:34] <jurislav> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/spotify/[14:16:36] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/iOFe7Q] AUR (en) - spotify[14:16:50] <jurislav> yaourt -S spotify --noconfirm should do it[14:17:18] <berm> ( Unsupported package: Potentially dangerous ! )[14:17:23] <jurislav> yeah[14:17:28] <jurislav> that's AUR[14:17:28] <berm> Should I be worried?[14:17:31] <jurislav> no[14:17:36] <berm> Okay :)[14:18:10] <jurislav> fun fact: AUR is one of the most advertiset pros of manjaro linux :)[14:18:20] <jurislav> advertised*[14:18:33] <berm> reason?[14:18:46] <berm> I'm kinda new, so sorry to bother with all those questions[14:18:55] <jurislav> rationale behind that is, it gives you access to huge amount of software[14:19:36] <jeannie> To query the aur, you can run a simple yaourt (packagename)[14:19:36] <jurislav> but it's community-maintained[14:20:00] <berm> Insn't that dangerous?[14:20:15] <jurislav> berm: how is it different from ubuntu's PPAs?[14:20:32] <berm> You have to add them manually[14:20:48] <berm> and it's not that 'easy' if you know what I mean[14:21:07] <jurislav> single command, then update and install[14:21:26] <jurislav> the result isn't much different from aur being available all at once[14:21:45] <jurislav> if you want the package, nothing stops you from intalling in either way[14:21:57] <jurislav> the PPA way is just 2 more commands longer :)[14:21:57] *** SPF|Cloud <SPF|Cloud!uid11755@wikipedia/Southparkfan> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[14:22:20] <Lowl3v3l> berm, well technically what happens inside when getting an aur package is a download, a makepkg and an installation[14:22:51] <berm> Well, I know the community is nice atlease ;)[14:22:54] <berm> atleast*[14:23:20] <Lowl3v3l> bad reason to stick with a distro^^[14:23:38] <Lowl3v3l> i'd take a community of expert-assholes over one like ubunut's every day.[14:24:12] <berm> hehe[14:24:14] <berm> Not me[14:24:14] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: you mean like #arch-linux community..? :)[14:24:21] <jurislav> or what is the channel called[14:24:29] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, the arch-guys are not assholes in the slightest.[14:24:31] <Lowl3v3l> #archlinux[14:24:54] <jurislav> heard something else.. they're all like RTFM!1!!![14:25:19] <jurislav> plus, don't you dare mention you're using arch derivative[14:25:27] <Lowl3v3l> berm, then you got bad reasons and should really think about your priorities and about maybe switching to M$-windows :p[14:25:27] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p5DCDED5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[14:25:27] *** elliot007 <elliot007!~elliot@61.3.88.152> has joined #manjaro[14:25:59] <berm> Lowl3v3l: well, I prefer nice people, than assholes[14:26:05] <berm> above*[14:27:40] <berm> And if the ubuntu community (this is an example btw) is way nicer than the manjaro community[14:27:40] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, "rtfm" is not being an asshole but the only sane response in many situations. and well you can mention it. thats not a problem. They just wont give support for arch derivates, like the debian folks dont support ubuntu problems[14:27:40] <berm> why would I switch[14:27:40] <Lowl3v3l> berm, and full of lobotomized chimps sitting on the worst distro ever invented.[14:27:40] <berm> ubuntu bad?[14:27:40] <berm> YOu mean that ubuntu is bad?[14:27:40] <jeannie> Definitively[14:27:40] <Lowl3v3l> uhm yeah? is this even in dispute?[14:27:45] <berm> Yeah, to me it is[14:27:56] <berm> because I am new to the arch distro's[14:28:14] <berm> I use ubuntu on my servers, and I enjoy using it[14:28:38] <Lowl3v3l> cool. Top 3 reasons : Canonical is an asshole-company , they do their own usually bad solutions on everything and 3 they got a problematic approach to everything.[14:28:52] <jurislav> what is wrong with ubuntu (and it's derivatives?)..?[14:28:54] <Lowl3v3l> i mean 3 init systems in parallel... what the fuck?[14:28:55] <jeannie> Indeed, and they suffer badly from nih[14:29:02] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, you just got 3 reasons :D[14:29:08] <berm> And now low level :)[14:29:16] <berm> Still did not catch a thing :P[14:29:39] <jurislav> what does everyone have with 3 init systems in parallel? thay went from one to another. now it's just systemd. period[14:29:43] <Lowl3v3l> berm, there is a specific reasons people with little to no clue use ubuntu. Which is yet another argument against it.[14:29:54] <Matumaros> How do I enable text drag and drop? Like in Windows you can select a text and drag it to somewhere else.[14:29:58] <berm> your name is Lowl3v3l :P[14:30:25] <berm> Lowl3v3l: Ubuntu > windows, or you think that is not the truth either?[14:30:26] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: b/c it's easiest to being with. Mint in particular[14:30:30] <PMunch> Anyonehere got any experience with booting the kasperky tool? Trying to fix a Windows machine for my mom and I figured a virus scan would be a good start..[14:30:32] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, nope. Every sane distro did the switch to systemd and was fine. they started with sysv-init, built their own crap as a second one, took systemd as a third one and left all three there for years.[14:30:35] <PMunch> But I can't get it to boot..[14:30:48] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, "easy" is a shitty reason.[14:30:48] <berm> I started with mint, got over to ubuntu, and now I'm here[14:30:55] <jurislav> nothing wrong with switching later. but as a startgin point, I thingall *buntus are very good[14:31:06] <jeannie> Started with Ubuntu too in 2007[14:31:08] <Lowl3v3l> berm, i think those are two systems for the same mislead crowd of people.[14:31:25] <berm> Lowl3v3l: and, if you compare them?..[14:31:27] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: supporting is something else than having one as default[14:31:33] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, cool, you can think whatever you want. one of us got arguments[14:31:41] <berm> Like, I put a gun to your head, choose or die? :p[14:31:47] <jurislav> just one init system was default at any given time[14:31:50] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, i did not say "support". i meant "using" as in "using in parallel"[14:32:24] <Lowl3v3l> berm, then canonical is still a bunch of idiots for the same reason M$ is. They just took an open source kernel instead of writing one themselves.[14:32:44] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: any article supporting that? what I know, is there was just one every time. first init, then upstart, not systemd[14:33:01] <jurislav> now*[14:33:01] *** elliot007 <elliot007!~elliot@61.3.88.152> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 251 seconds)[14:33:10] <berm> Lowl3v3l: Does that matter?[14:33:22] <berm> Lowl3v3l: I mean, if it works, and the people are happy with it?[14:33:27] <Lowl3v3l> berm, does what matter? that canonical is a bunch of chimps?[14:33:28] <jurislav> argument "it's easy as a starting point for windows refugees" isn't a valid argument for you, I guess..[14:33:35] <Lowl3v3l> berm, uhm yeah.[14:33:54] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, nah. If we talk about wether a distro is good or not idiot compatibility is not a good reason at all.[14:33:59] <berm> As I said, I do not get the logic of a 'real' Linux fan, need to learn a lot :p[14:34:19] <jurislav> i don't care about people that make Subaru cars. I still love the car[14:34:27] <jurislav> same with sw..[14:34:42] <Lowl3v3l> berm, the logic is simple : wether or not idiots like it is irrelevant to a technical discussion. this is not "linux fan" or sth stuff but simple rationality.[14:35:03] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: it's a very good point if you see this as linux vs windows, not linux vs linux[14:35:11] <berm> ^[14:35:16] <berm> That is what I mean jurislav[14:35:54] <jurislav> again, nothing wrong with switching later to whatever you like more. but as a starting point, ubuntu/mint is perfect[14:35:56] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, "linux vs windows" is still a matter that should be discussed technically. not based on the likings of idiots that decide wether or not they like a distro based on the first DE they saw or the standard browser on this DE.[14:36:04] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, nope far from it.[14:36:30] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: how much time you spent with BFUs?[14:36:39] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, its a system that, togetgher with tis community, actively prevents you from doing things right or learning how to do stuff right. this is my biggest issue with all the "beginner distros"[14:37:27] <jeannie> You have to begin somewhere[14:37:35] <jurislav> what's wrong about doing things ubuntu way? i mean, any particular example of a really important thing being done ubuntu way is worse than being done arch way..?[14:37:49] <berm> leet[14:37:54] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, i spent way to much time with them. But they are NOT helped usually with a system that makes them believe they can just do it magically. f i dont want to learn configuring a system myself tits fine, then i pay someone.,[14:38:41] <jurislav> ordinary people don't wanna pay someone to come around and configure their home pc[14:38:50] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, what is "ubuntu way" for you? Canonicals policies? i take big offense in doing a purely commercial distro that tries to steal your data and does so much nih-stuff that it doesn't contribute anything back[14:39:24] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, if they dont want to and expect it to magically work they are idiots. Nobody would expect his ikea-bed to just magically self assemble without reading the manual.[14:39:49] <jurislav> plus, they don't want help. they don't wanna learn. they want a computer that does it's job.[14:40:07] <berm> mint it is[14:40:09] <berm> :p[14:40:11] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, then the reasonable way, instead of fuzzing around with it themselves is to pay someone.[14:40:17] <jeannie> Mint is *buntu too[14:40:21] <berm> I know[14:40:29] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: come on, comparing operating system to ikea..?[14:40:31] <berm> But mint is better than ubuntu for beginners :p[14:40:47] <berm> jurislav: yeah. I mean, that's alot alike right? :p[14:40:56] <jurislav> not at all[14:41:03] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, well this i didnt. I compared os's and the expectations to literally everything else.[14:41:50] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, or take cars and stuff. Nobody expects that he is able to just drive a car without getting a license and the training for it before.[14:41:57] <berm> quick question, in buntu I used to put my software in /opt/ does that count here too?[14:42:35] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: these are not valid comparisons, i think..[14:43:09] <Lowl3v3l> berm, depends on the software. i'd guess that 90% of the software people put into /opt would be better off in a different directory, at least according to the FHS standard[14:43:13] <jurislav> complexity of linux is way higher than ikea manuals or cars[14:43:42] <jurislav> the amount of people that can drive a car or build an ikea table proves that[14:43:47] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, i dont talk about disassembling and reasssembling the car. i talk about the minimal idea you need to have about the car to drive^^[14:44:27] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, and i'd bet if anybody took as much time to learn using a computer in general right as they do driving a car there would be way more of them that really can^^[14:44:30] <berm> Lowl3v3l: I use pycharm to program in python, I used to put the pycharm IDE in /opt/ do you have by any chance a better location?[14:44:36] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[14:44:51] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: minimal idea about the car would be like "get in, press start button, push break pedal, select "Drive" and go". compare that to operating systems..[14:45:11] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has joined #manjaro[14:45:21] <Lowl3v3l> berm, well actually the reasonable way would likely be to build a package of it and then distribute it to the appropriate folders. THis is at least how i handle third party packages that i really can't live without.[14:45:53] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, the "then go" and how you behave when other cars are around is the important part you just ignored xD[14:45:54] <jurislav> plus, you get to see all the elements.[14:46:29] <jurislav> thats actually a point in favour of linux - you don't need to look out for other computers around you :)[14:46:50] <Lowl3v3l> uhm well yes you do. Internet and stuff.[14:47:02] <Lowl3v3l> unless you talk about offline-computers without network interfaces[14:47:07] <jurislav> and even with the car care, the rule is simple: don't hit the others.[14:47:22] <jurislav> *care=case[14:47:39] <Lowl3v3l> in which country do you live in where moving around in a vcar is that simple? xD[14:47:55] <Lowl3v3l> at least here there are stop lights, police, street signs...[14:48:41] <berm> POLICE? WHERE[14:48:43] <berm> oh euh[14:49:06] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[14:49:06] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[14:49:08] <jurislav> i'll stick to the argument it's a bad comparison[14:49:30] <jurislav> the amount of people driving cars and using windows proves me right[14:49:39] <Lowl3v3l> nope it doesn't.[14:49:56] <Lowl3v3l> Because the people didnt make an informed choice to use windows xD[14:49:58] <jurislav> it's a representation of how important simplicity on the surface is[14:50:30] <Lowl3v3l> or that the people just dont know about alternatives and never tried it.[14:50:31] <jurislav> people don't care about how thigs work or who makes them. they just want the tools get the shit done[14:51:13] <jurislav> i tried myself dozens of distros, when I switched from windows. every single time I went back to mint, b/c it just worked[14:51:27] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, and thats why virtually everybody that i'D consider an expert migrates away from ubuntu even though it "gets the shit done" as you said ? ;)[14:51:50] <jurislav> BFUs != experts[14:51:56] <berm> Lowl3v3l: Can you tell me in a short version why you think the company behind ubuntu is bad? I'm tying to follow you, hets really hard[14:52:05] <jurislav> thought we're talking about users, not experts :)[14:53:24] <jeannie> I left Ubuntu 20 minutes after installing 11.04 and never returned[14:53:24] <jurislav> rallye/F1 drivers require somewhat "different" cars as well[14:53:33] <jurislav> jeannie: 11.04 isn't LTS[14:53:45] <jurislav> plus, it had some early version of unity, right?[14:53:48] * jeannie shrugs[14:53:58] <jurislav> in that time, 10.04 would've been much better choice[14:54:02] <jeannie> I was the first that came with unity,,, yes[14:54:26] <jurislav> well, what to expect from an early version of a tool like that :)[14:54:35] <Lowl3v3l> berm, because with version 10.04 ( or 11.04 not really sure) shuttleworth decided "we got to make money now". this is where the problems started. Then there is the major case of NIH. The fact that canonical doesn't let the community, even the maintainers of the official spins, participate in any major decisions.[14:54:43] <Lowl3v3l> berm, the collaboration with M$[14:55:22] <berm> berm, the collaboration with M$[14:55:30] <jurislav> yep, they finally realized some things need to be decided in smaller circle[14:55:32] <berm> wait, what?[14:55:51] <jurislav> it's a management thing[14:56:10] <Lowl3v3l> berm, didn't you notice this "linux subsystem for windows"-stuff? this was canonicals doing to a big degree[14:56:22] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, do they? Debian does just fine.[14:56:23] <jurislav> you can't let EVERYONE participate in the decision[14:56:33] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, never talked about "everyone"^^[14:57:00] <jurislav> so what exactly does "anyone else" mean?[14:57:24] <jurislav> as long as you'd prefer them to let other people participate, that implies everyone could in that case[14:57:42] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, uhm well "not anybody outside canonical itself, not even the elected etc community managers who's job this would be"[14:57:44] <mike-zal2> Lowl3v3l: company can't be run by its clients vote, it doesn't work that way. company has to decide who they are, what they are doing and what is their client target[14:58:18] <Lowl3v3l> mike-zal2, then this would be a good time to abolish canonical alltogether ;)[14:58:32] <mike-zal2> only then company can get its shit togother and work toward a goal. sure, it's not always the best for community, it's maybe not what community would want.[14:59:10] <jurislav> it's like a war - imagine an army without a central leadership. imagine every soldier has a say in what should be done next. even not every soldier... a 1000 people would be enough for losing the war agains centrally-commanded enemy[14:59:33] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, then there would be no war, i am all for it.[14:59:43] <mike-zal2> not really. well, it's complicated but company can do more then community, at least in theory if the money flows. if it isn't, it's hard to get that productivity going.[14:59:44] <jeannie> Distro wars...[14:59:50] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: there is a war as long as there is an enemy[15:00:00] <jeannie> Money is the enemy[15:00:00] <berm> well, seems like I started a war here..[15:00:01] <jurislav> mike-zal2: exactly[15:00:03] * berm hides[15:00:15] * berm slowly backs out[15:00:37] <jurislav> money could be the enemy, but as long as they're here, we can't do much but count with the fact.[15:00:55] <mike-zal2> basically, canonical or company based distro is not bad, it's just not community based so it's unfair criticize it because it doesn't listen to community.[15:01:37] <jurislav> yeah.. it's like everything in linux is about a possibility of choice. everyone can choose to like canonical or not :P[15:01:57] <mike-zal2> and you as a client has right to choose. you don't like apples? don't buy it, go to the party close buy where you get some other snacks ;P[15:02:27] <jurislav> or become a member of a local community garden and grow your own apples..[15:03:02] <jurislav> which you can't, unless you have a lot of spare time and not doing anything with it[15:03:45] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has joined #manjaro[15:03:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Strit_Laptop[15:03:48] <mike-zal2> company to do things needs money, company to grow, to invest needs more money - that's normal thing. companies do most work in our society because they get paid. roads, plane, cars, computers, none of that would be here if there was no money factor[15:04:58] <jurislav> mike-zal2: well, we have roads b/c of the government, but that's a different story involving whole new universe... :)[15:05:16] <mike-zal2> basically, assumption that all should be free or community based is bad. there has to be both things. bas is, when there is no alternative. but we have.[15:06:45] <jeannie> Growth, infinite growth...[15:06:56] <mike-zal2> yeap, that's human's nature[15:07:19] <jeannie> Only economists and utter idiots believe in infinite never ending growth[15:07:26] <mike-zal2> try to find the best job and had no opportunity to better yourself and your life. you would hate that job quickly[15:08:29] <jeannie> When I look at the oldest human communitystill existing, I strongly doubt that endless growth is human nature[15:08:37] *** s8321414_ <s8321414_!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has joined #manjaro[15:08:46] <mike-zal2> growth is combained with change so it can be infinite. nature shows you infinite growth in larger scale, althoug in smaller scale it also means death. bringing it on linux area: some distros persish, some live and progress[15:08:59] <jurislav> jeannie: what is the oldest human community?[15:09:17] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has joined #manjaro[15:09:31] <jurislav> plus, what else would you prefer? decay?[15:09:34] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:09:38] <jeannie> The australian aboriginies[15:10:01] *** GenZai <GenZai!~emil@mnt60-1-88-186-66-2.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[15:10:01] <jeannie> 40000+ years without the struggle for more more more[15:10:17] <jurislav> jeannie: and what is their current status?[15:10:22] <jurislav> i mean, how they live?[15:10:29] <jurislav> do they accomplish things?[15:10:40] <jeannie> Sufering from capitalist growth[15:10:43] <mike-zal2> jeannie: it is. you can't be happy or productive without growth, without feeling that you acomplished something that matters. feeling of having pointless life is a base for depression and that leads to suicides. of course that's oversimplification but the need to grow is so strong that we literally can't live without it[15:11:02] <jurislav> they kind of a hippie or indian community or smth?[15:11:17] <jeannie> Th eaboriginies were happy for tens of thouands of years until the brits came and suppressed them[15:11:28] <mike-zal2> jeannie: but of course there is a matter of tempo, do we really need to speed that much? communities with a slower pace seems to be more happy[15:11:29] <jeannie> So don't tell me growth is human nature[15:12:19] <jurislav> it is. it was always here. even the communities you mention started somewhere and evolved[15:12:31] <mike-zal2> jeannie: you know nothing about aborigens their history, culture, how they live their live. just because they didn't create technic, it doesn't mean they society weren't progressing.[15:12:40] <jurislav> they didn't just pop-up[15:12:52] <mike-zal2> and I have no idea why do you equal growth with western civilasion[15:13:15] <jeannie> Wesern capitalism will destroy mankind[15:13:38] <jeannie> Which propably would be best for this planet[15:13:52] <jurislav> jeannie: maybe, but what does it have to do with progress and growth? they have nothing in common[15:14:28] <mike-zal2> nope, it's just a form of human society, not wealthy one, but it simply is. people will find ways to create various versions of it or somthing entirely different and live that way they want. this is self organizing envirnoment.[15:15:07] <jeannie> Growth is not necessarily progress[15:15:33] <jurislav> it isn't necessarily bad either[15:15:38] <jeannie> Capitalistic growth just means that the masses pay to make the rich even richer[15:15:59] <mike-zal2> jeannie: there are eco-communities that live in bush, grow their food, have tree houses and... occasionall access to modern technique if they want it, of course you need some money first...[15:16:22] <jeannie> These days less than 100 people own as much money as the poorer half of the whole mankind already[15:16:39] <jeannie> Sounds like a fair system[15:16:39] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:16:41] <mike-zal2> jeannie: society is never equal, it's hierarchy based[15:16:51] <mike-zal2> fair system is the least fair[15:17:05] <jeannie> So, what is the consequence if there are more and more people who own nothing?[15:17:22] <mike-zal2> those systems that were designed to be fair became most abusive and horrible ones.[15:17:31] <berm> question, I removed my status bar at the bottem[15:17:39] <berm> or, default bar[15:17:54] <mike-zal2> jeannie: THERE IS NO EQUALITY IN SOCIETY, thinking that there is or can be is just illusion[15:17:54] <jurislav> the consequence is a growing urge to become good ad something, so you get paid for doing it. preferably more than somebody else.[15:17:54] <berm> Can't get it back the way it used to be?[15:17:56] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@151.29.175.113> has joined #manjaro[15:18:09] <mike-zal2> there is no equality in nature[15:18:24] <jeannie> There is no need to yell at me. And there is no equality in capitalism, right[15:18:29] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@151.29.175.113> has left #manjaro[15:18:41] <jurislav> mike-zal2: let jeannie explain what an equal fair system looks like..[15:18:47] <mike-zal2> you get what you can seize. however you must take it in the context of society.[15:19:01] <jeannie> Again, capitalism, get what you can seize[15:19:16] <jeannie> WHat if everyone worked for everyone else?[15:19:27] <jeannie> FOr the community and not for personal profit?[15:19:43] <jurislav> what if someone can work better/do more than somebody else?[15:19:56] <jeannie> Every person has different abilities[15:20:27] <jeannie> One can repair cars, the othe rone can grow food, the next one knows about generating eectrical power from renewable sources[15:20:34] <jeannie> and so on[15:20:36] <berm> What is the shortcut for default terminal in manjaro?[15:20:51] *** tmsbrdrs <tmsbrdrs!~tmsbrdrs@68-189-191-24.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[15:20:53] <jurislav> jeannie: not really[15:21:05] <jurislav> some just can't do anything.[15:21:09] <berm> If I google, there's no such thing, is that true? Am I forced to create my own?[15:21:09] <jurislav> what about them?[15:21:21] <jeannie> Nobody can do "nothing"[15:21:24] <jurislav> berm: alt + space type terminal[15:21:27] <mike-zal2> they do... jeannie do you have any idea what incredible things were bild by the richest people? we are in awe to this day. look on incredible buildings, mansions, collections of art, all those things that are available to all of us. and also those things were paied, so there is money flow involved. however those on the end of the chain get little, unfortunatelly that how it works.[15:21:30] <jurislav> (KDE assuming)[15:21:44] <berm> Thats not a shortcut right?[15:21:50] <Strit_Laptop> berm, I'm pretty sure there are no default shortcut for terminal in Manjaro. But it really depends on the DE.[15:21:53] *** s8321414_ is now known as s8321414[15:21:55] <jeannie> Do you have any idea who built these things and how many expoloited poor people were kileed when doing so?[15:21:55] <berm> KDE[15:21:57] <mike-zal2> berm: shortcut depends on DE[15:22:21] <mike-zal2> berm: right click your start menu[15:22:27] <jeannie> Rich people don't do anything, they just sit there and spend other people's money[15:22:33] <jurislav> berm: ctrl + alt + T or Win + T. other than that, no clue[15:22:36] <berm> mike-zal2: and then?[15:22:48] <mike-zal2> berm: and choose edit start, find konsole and add shortcut to it[15:22:49] <berm> crtl alt t does not work[15:23:02] <jurislav> jeannie: not true. many rich people contrbute back to the society[15:23:08] <mike-zal2> it works for me because I set it. by deafult it doesn't work in kde[15:23:23] <jurislav> plus, tell me, how are rich people spending my money..[15:23:25] <jeannie> Examples please[15:23:43] *** Manj-1604-Lxqt <Manj-1604-Lxqt!~ricbil@190.176.73.205> has joined #manjaro[15:23:53] <jurislav> gates? musk?[15:24:19] <jeannie> Gates? Hell, that asshole who plans to extinguish billons of people?[15:24:20] *** Manj-1604-Lxqt <Manj-1604-Lxqt!~ricbil@190.176.73.205> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:24:30] <jurislav> you thing it's your money musk spends on spacex and tesla development?[15:24:43] <mike-zal2> jeannie: do you enjoy your computer? imagine if there were no companies making theme because there would be no rich enough people to set factories and supply chain.[15:24:50] <jeannie> It certainy is not money he earned with this sewat and tears[15:25:19] <jurislav> it's not the money of other people either[15:25:22] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[15:25:30] <jeannie> I cannot discuss with you when you think capitalism is the only way to organize a society[15:25:42] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[15:25:49] <mike-zal2> berm: did you find it? you can add key binding to any program you want[15:26:00] <jurislav> jeannie: it's not the only way, it's just the best we got to test so far for long enough to stick to it[15:26:14] <jeannie> It certainly is not the best[15:26:30] <jurislav> jeannie: you have a better alternative?[15:26:32] <jeannie> If it was the best, there was no poverty hunger and war on this planet[15:26:38] <berm> mike-zal2: Ik gave it a shortcut, it had no default[15:26:42] <berm> Im used to i3[15:26:48] <berm> so i set it alt+enter[15:26:56] <jurislav> powerty and hunger and wars are not caused by capitalism. they're cause by humans[15:26:58] <berm> and also changed window close to alt shift q[15:26:59] *** manjaro-jwm <manjaro-jwm!~manjaro-j@94.76.182.7> has joined #manjaro[15:27:05] <mike-zal2> jeannie: hierarchic way is the only way, that's how your mind works, that's how animals mind works too. even matter is organized in various levels of organization -> hierarchy[15:27:05] <berm> :)[15:27:11] <berm> Thanks[15:27:22] <manjaro-jwm> hey i got a question, manjaro doesnt have ssh by default?[15:27:37] <manjaro-jwm> not server, i mean client[15:27:57] <mike-zal2> terminal is ssh client[15:28:01] <jeannie> War means profit, poverty means control over the poor, hunger means people die which leaves more for the rich[15:28:02] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-jwm, not as default no.[15:28:03] *** NoirLess <NoirLess!~noirless@ppp91-122-153-158.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru> has joined #manjaro[15:28:07] <jurislav> manjaro-jwm: mine does. even if it doesn't, just yourt -S ssh[15:28:10] <Strit_Laptop> You have to install openssh.[15:28:32] <jurislav> jeannie: where is the argument in favour of another system there..?[15:28:50] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has joined #manjaro[15:29:00] <jurislav> plus, you never countered the "that's how people are" argument[15:29:09] <berm> manjaro-jwm: ssh is default installed in linux, you can use your terminal to connect[15:29:18] <manjaro-jwm> thats what i thuoght berm[15:29:19] <jeannie> No?[15:29:22] <jurislav> berm: not in all distros[15:29:22] <berm> manjaro-jwm: ssh username at myrserver dot com[15:29:27] <manjaro-jwm> not working xd[15:29:30] <berm> jurislav: oh, thats new for me[15:29:33] <jurislav> :)[15:29:35] <manjaro-jwm> "ssh: command not found"[15:29:35] <mike-zal2> jeannie: do you think there were no murders or fights in tribal world? you are naive. nature is brutal and society is too. shure, it would be great if we all could get along but we disagree with each other and guess what? would you like to be mindless and equal drone?[15:29:35] <berm> manjaro-jwm: can you post the output?[15:29:47] <manjaro-jwm> └─> ssh[15:29:47] <manjaro-jwm> bash: ssh: no se encontró la orden[15:29:49] <jeannie> Forget it, mike-zal2[15:29:55] <manjaro-jwm> meaning it didnt found the command[15:30:00] * jurislav starts to think jeannie is just trolling..[15:30:03] <berm> manjaro-jwm: try: ssh berm at myremote dot io (copy it)[15:30:10] <jeannie> I'm out of this discussion[15:30:11] <jeannie> Bye[15:30:15] *** jeannie <jeannie!~Jeannie@unaffiliated/jeannie> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[15:30:16] *** manjaro-jwm_ <manjaro-jwm_!~manjaro-j@ip-84-119-1-53.unity-media.net> has joined #manjaro[15:30:16] <berm> jeannie: bye :)[15:30:23] <berm> manjaro-jwm: Still no result?[15:30:27] <mike-zal2> jeannie: you feel you have a right to have your own opinion? right? so would you say that other person has that right too?[15:30:33] <manjaro-jwm> └─> ssh mailto:berm at myremote dot io[15:30:33] <manjaro-jwm> bash: ssh: no se encontró la orden[15:30:37] <manjaro-jwm> its same obviously =D[15:30:38] <jurislav> manjaro-jwm: rule number one - always use technology in english :) you can google answers *much* faster..[15:30:39] *** manjaro-jwm_ <manjaro-jwm_!~manjaro-j@ip-84-119-1-53.unity-media.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:30:41] <berm> manjaro-jwm: no mailto...[15:30:45] <manjaro-jwm> aa oops[15:30:49] <manjaro-jwm> but it will be the same 100%[15:30:52] <berm> oh[15:30:53] <manjaro-jwm> i tried to ssh into my rasp[15:30:59] <berm> right euhm[15:31:05] <berm> well lets try: pacman -S ssh[15:31:05] <manjaro-jwm> yes i just tried and it's the same[15:31:21] <manjaro-jwm> destiny not found: ssh[15:31:25] <berm> wops[15:31:38] <berm> Out of ideas, someone more advanced, time to take over from me :P[15:31:45] <Strit_Laptop> sudo pacman -S openssh[15:32:15] <manjaro-jwm> iok[15:32:18] <manjaro-jwm> ok * thats it[15:32:35] <manjaro-jwm> thanks you guys ^__^[15:33:04] <manjaro-jwm> i thought installing openssh is only if you want to make a server[15:33:18] <berm> well, I could directly start ssh'ing[15:33:19] <berm> weird[15:33:37] <Strit_Laptop> openssh is both client and server.[15:34:15] <Strit_Laptop> berm, some manjaro editions have ssh installed by default, but the official ones do not, I think.[15:35:02] <berm> This is the official one...[15:35:08] <berm> downloaded it like 4 hours ago[15:35:09] <berm> KDE[15:35:58] <manjaro-jwm> maybe its this jwm version only[15:36:12] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[15:38:22] *** Queops <Queops!~Queops@unaffiliated/queops> has joined #manjaro[15:38:44] *** Queops <Queops!~Queops@unaffiliated/queops> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:39:38] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:40:03] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[15:40:36] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #manjaro[15:42:53] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[15:43:03] <berm> Anyone knows what could be wrong if manjaro resets the display settings after a reboot?[15:43:42] <berm> bloody irritating[15:44:03] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.12> has joined #manjaro[15:47:51] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:48:31] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[15:49:03] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[15:50:41] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:51:05] *** HoNgOuRu <HoNgOuRu!~fenix@r167-57-88-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[15:51:29] *** s8321414 <s8321414!~s8321414@150.117.138.97> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:54:32] *** edy81 <edy81!~edy81@174.red-79-159-59.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #manjaro[15:55:08] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.12> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[15:55:41] <edy81> hi, how can I install windows 10 without dumping Manjaro?[15:56:31] <berm> edy81: you don't ;P[15:56:43] <berm> edy81: create diffrent partitions[15:57:15] <edy81> i have one with windows 8.1 and this one with manjaro[15:57:28] <edy81> both use bios[15:59:55] *** HoNgOuRu <HoNgOuRu!~fenix@r167-57-88-7.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:00:28] *** GreenBob <GreenBob!~manjaro-k@s1v69-1-88-121-84-115.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #manjaro[16:03:14] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@host154-30-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #manjaro[16:04:08] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:05:03] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:05:15] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@host154-30-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:05:40] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[16:05:57] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has joined #manjaro[16:09:23] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has joined #manjaro[16:09:51] <edy81> so I enable UEFI and then upgrade windows 8 then manjaro will work still?[16:12:18] <mike-zal2> win 8 should already use uefi[16:12:40] <mike-zal2> edy81: check out your efi partition, do you see manjaro folder there?[16:13:08] <edy81> I never used efi[16:13:17] <edy81> is new to me[16:13:32] <mike-zal2> hmm.. you can't switch to uefi just like that. you need to install system anew.[16:13:40] <edy81> I have legacy bios[16:13:46] *** pekman <pekman!~pekman@unaffiliated/pekman> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[16:14:09] *** ink0gnito <ink0gnito!~ink0gnito@5.79.74.141> has joined #manjaro[16:14:34] <edy81> all new ???[16:14:52] *** ink0gnito <ink0gnito!~ink0gnito@5.79.74.141> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:15:12] <mike-zal2> win10 can block your access to manjaro if you upgrade. there is a way to solve tha tou: 1. install grub anew, 2. use a program on windows (forgot it's name) that sets grub with chosen linux distro for startup next to windows[16:15:19] *** ink0gnito <ink0gnito!~ink0gnito@5.79.74.141> has joined #manjaro[16:16:24] <mike-zal2> anyway, if you want to upgrade and play with your system, do files backup because there is a high risk that you will mess something... so in case you do, you would not be in panic... :P[16:16:27] *** Fingli <Fingli!~fingli@unaffiliated/fingli> has joined #manjaro[16:16:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Fingli[16:16:35] *** ink0gnito <ink0gnito!~ink0gnito@5.79.74.141> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:17:29] *** ink0gnito <ink0gnito!~ink0gnito@5.79.74.141> has joined #manjaro[16:18:08] <mike-zal2> edy81: so I would do: 1. backup manjaro home and windows files, upgrade win 8 to win10 and then see what's happened and try to fix it from there or install manjaro anew (and restore home from backup). of course make sure you activate win10 before you start to restore manjaro and prepare also dvd with win10 install[16:19:05] <edy81> so if I enable this secure thing windows will upgrade but I won't have linux unless I reinstall linux or grub[16:19:13] <mike-zal2> so again, install win first, majaro as second. you can try to restore grub from live usb but that's more complicated but it can be done.[16:19:40] <mike-zal2> secure thing should be disabled. less issues.[16:20:45] <mike-zal2> at least if you need to turn it on for the upgrade then do so but deactive it afterwards. it blocks your windows files to be read by manjaro and may prevent manjaro from booting (in uefi mode, in legacy - don't know)[16:21:52] <mike-zal2> yes, win10 will probably override legacy grub so you won't be able to boot manjaro after win update[16:22:10] *** xangua <xangua!uid19036@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kmucazxnptvsrlqt> has joined #manjaro[16:22:16] <mike-zal2> and as I said, you can restore grub from manjaro live usb if you know how.[16:22:16] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@adsl-dyn61.78-98-218.t-com.sk> has joined #manjaro[16:22:16] *** manjaro-kde5 is now known as manjaro-kde5-[16:22:26] <edy81> things are more clear I think[16:22:40] <mike-zal2> if not, then the quickest way is to install manjaro anew. depends on your skills.[16:23:12] <mike-zal2> there is also a possibility, that after installing manjaro you still won't be able to access grub. it happens sometimes.[16:23:30] <edy81> I'm not a newbiew but thanks[16:23:32] <mike-zal2> edy81: wait a moment, will try to find the name of the windows program for setting a grub[16:24:00] <edy81> ok[16:24:05] <mike-zal2> ok, found it. edy81 look for: easy BCD[16:24:41] <mike-zal2> it can detect your linux system and create grub startup with it and windows[16:25:53] <jurislav> nice, didn't know such a thing exists[16:26:02] <mike-zal2> edy81: I updgraded to win10 just to activate it for possible future use but then deleted windows from my drive and run linux since over a year :P[16:26:25] <mike-zal2> and don't miss windows at all. I can even run my favourite games on linux so all is well.[16:26:49] <edy81> same here[16:27:15] <edy81> is just this crap of free but before july 29[16:27:40] <mike-zal2> I was newbie back then so I was stupid enough to delete windows efi partition :P. but it turned out to be a good move in the end :D[16:27:44] <edy81> so if like if I don't get it I'll might be anoyed[16:28:24] <mike-zal2> yeah, better activate it just in case. win10 is good aside privacy issues and forced updates.[16:28:35] <mike-zal2> I mean, good for a windows system ;P[16:29:16] *** chshbh <chshbh!~Avinash@146.196.33.210> has joined #manjaro[16:29:32] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@93.37.188.159> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:30:11] <edy81> bye[16:30:34] *** edy81 <edy81!~edy81@174.red-79-159-59.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:31:00] <jurislav> mike-zal2 how does the whole "activate it for future use" work?[16:31:28] <jurislav> i mean.. can I make sure i'll get win10 in the future for free again?[16:32:18] <mike-zal2> from what I know you should. your system configuration is saved in the windows cloud and authorised so you would have legitimate copy if you install it on that computer.[16:32:36] <jurislav> ah[16:32:42] <mike-zal2> but I never needed windows since then so I never tested it myself.[16:32:44] <jurislav> so.. how would that work in the future?[16:33:24] <jurislav> i'll grab a win10 iso somewhere, install it, and then some MS magic over the internet says "we know you, you're activated"?[16:33:42] <mike-zal2> it should work if I want to install win10 again, which I don't. probly my laptop will reach end if its life sooner then I install windows on it...[16:33:48] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:34:01] <mike-zal2> jurislav: exactly like that[16:34:22] <mike-zal2> that is why you can download freely windows10 iso from microsoft servers for free[16:34:40] <jurislav> hmm.. then it'll be probably the same here :) my machine is kinda old already[16:34:58] <zero-ghost> i'm a high end gamer, bought new laptop with windows 10 and didnt support drivers for windows 7 so i wiped windows 10 off the computer without even booting it and ive been running manjaro and gaming my high end games for the past 8 months[16:35:01] <zero-ghost> happier than ever[16:35:04] <zero-ghost> *end story*[16:35:28] <jurislav> funny enough, this one has radeon HD5770, which can run some not-so-old games. there is some old Pentium thing CPU teamed up:)[16:35:30] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has joined #manjaro[16:35:57] <jurislav> zero-ghost: what "high-end* games run on linux?[16:36:01] *** Batch <Batch!~Batch@unaffiliated/batch> has joined #manjaro[16:36:29] <zero-ghost> dying light, rocket league[16:36:30] <zero-ghost> :-p[16:36:40] <mike-zal2> jurislav: my laptop is 4 years old so I suspect it will run 1-2 years at most. it's heavily used.[16:36:53] <mantra__> stab in the dark here, does anybody the toxic tox client here?[16:36:54] <jurislav> zero-ghost: plus, does it really work flawlessly? you install via steam? playonlinux? wine solely?[16:36:57] <zero-ghost> the new unreal tournament[16:37:10] <zero-ghost> both steam and playonlinux games run flawlessly[16:37:13] <zero-ghost> highest settings[16:37:21] <jurislav> good to hear that[16:37:38] <jurislav> would be awesome if other apps run smoothly as well :/[16:37:42] <jurislav> MS office, for example[16:37:44] <zero-ghost> sure my gsync doesnt work yet so barley notice some little tearing once in a long while[16:37:46] <jurislav> some users are lost without it[16:37:52] <mike-zal2> well, I don't have that good computer but yeah, also am able to run windows game through playonlinux steam version and all works[16:37:53] <jurislav> can't blame them, though..[16:38:29] <zero-ghost> for normal programs that you REALLY cant use their free open source alternatives for, there is virtual machines[16:38:35] <jurislav> i'd like to put linux to all our org machines :)[16:38:50] <jurislav> nah, no VMs for these people[16:39:05] <mike-zal2> jurislav: why do you need ms office? I gave up on it years ago, even when I was on windows. learned to live with open office. libre office as similar so that's what I'm using on linux.[16:39:13] <jurislav> and I don't like the solution either. not for daily use. for testing, it's another story[16:39:55] <mike-zal2> jurislav: I would like to do that too but I have some programs at works that won't run on linux even through wine. also have specilized hardware that needs windows.[16:40:15] <mike-zal2> so at work windows is a must, at least on two computers. rest can be on linux.[16:40:18] <jurislav> mike-zal2: as one of my coleagues put it: "compared to MS excel, all other spreadsheet editors feel like it's retarted cousins.." :)[16:40:25] <jurislav> retarded*[16:41:16] <mike-zal2> that's matter of getting use to it. they are maybe not as well planed out but in the end: YOU DO EVERY OFFICE TASK IN THERE[16:41:23] <jurislav> but no argument there Excel is *the* spreadsheet editor..[16:41:33] <jurislav> yeah, i know[16:42:02] <jurislav> but you can say the same about a bicycle getting you anywhere in the world, so you don't need a car..[16:42:54] <jurislav> many things get the job done.. the question is, how fast, how smooth and how easy...[16:43:08] <mike-zal2> just matter of learning and getting use to it[16:43:13] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.248.209> has joined #manjaro[16:43:16] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:43:19] <mike-zal2> if I had to use ms office now, I would be lost and frustrated[16:43:23] *** flipper-maniac_ <flipper-maniac_!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[16:43:39] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@201.230.248.209> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:44:13] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:44:18] <mike-zal2> I tried to do some basic things on my neighebour compuer and for an half hour I couldn;t do anything I want... kill me but I couldn't do anything in this modern ms office[16:44:28] *** Oldiesmann <Oldiesmann!~Oldiesman@simplemachines/developer/Oldiesmann> has joined #manjaro[16:44:39] <mike-zal2> while I can do everything in open/libra office[16:44:43] <mike-zal2> easy and quickly[16:44:58] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:45:12] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has joined #manjaro[16:45:33] <mike-zal2> of course if you switch programs, at first it's pain in the ass but then you will learn what you need. you never use the full program abilities[16:45:43] <mike-zal2> so you just learn what you need[16:45:58] <mike-zal2> the same is with photoshop vs. gimp[16:45:58] <jurislav> mike-zal2: I unedrstand you.. another goal I wanna achieve in our org is to educate people.. so they're able to find their way in any software..[16:45:58] *** flipper-maniac_ <flipper-maniac_!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:46:15] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p5DCDED5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:46:36] <mike-zal2> photoshop might be better and more intuitive but in the end, average person needs just FEW functions and that's not hard to learn[16:47:08] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[16:47:12] <jurislav> well, AFAIK gimp is much less powerful. but i am not an expert. sure there would be more companies using gimp over photoshop, if it was similarly good. but for some reason, they rather choose to pay for photoshop[16:47:28] <mike-zal2> jurislav: you need to learn them how to do things they do on daily basis in a new program so you first must be skilled.[16:47:28] <jurislav> ah, average person. in that case, yeah[16:48:31] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p5DCDED5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[16:48:39] <jurislav> i don't wanna teach them how to use particular sw... our teachers in schools did it, and look at the result - people don't know how to operate a computer. instead, they know how to work with windows and word and excel..[16:48:54] <jurislav> which is not the same[16:49:35] <jurislav> there are so many computer-operating environments, that knowing windows + office is not enough[16:50:46] <jurislav> plus, it's a pain to see so many people look at outlook as it were the only tool they can manipulate their email in..[16:52:12] *** Joshua^Dunamis <Joshua^Dunamis!~manjaro-k@2001:b07:6451:e2a6:42f0:2fff:fe9f:1a04> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[16:59:41] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has joined #manjaro[17:00:22] *** schmittr <schmittr!2e05b047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.5.176.71> has joined #manjaro[17:01:27] <jurislav> anyone experience with ldap and/or radius running on a singleboard computer? like RPi..[17:02:02] <schmittr> hey guys, I sit here in front of a pc which has problems after I applied a big update (hasn't been updated for a long time). Now there is a problem with the backlight. After each reboot it's off and I need to manually switch it on by sudo vbetool dpms on[17:02:27] <schmittr> has so an idea how I can solve this nicely so that I don't need to use that command?[17:04:44] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:07:07] <LyriCa> hi[17:10:28] *** flawless <flawless!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:13:03] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:13:41] *** sydney_untangle <sydney_untangle!~sydney@supertux/sydney> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:14:16] *** sydney_untangle <sydney_untangle!~sydney@supertux/sydney> has joined #manjaro[17:15:08] *** LyriCa <LyriCa!~aniki@ool-45761563.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:16:18] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@77.28.66.23> has joined #manjaro[17:16:29] <manjaro-kde5> anony here?[17:16:31] <manjaro-kde5> I'm new user[17:16:39] <schmittr> yep[17:16:45] <manjaro-kde5> hey bro how do i install apps?[17:16:49] <manjaro-kde5> where is the software center[17:17:03] <manjaro-kde5> just installed manjero 1 min ago[17:17:05] <schmittr> idk I'm using the command line[17:17:17] <manjaro-kde5> i need to install chrome 53[17:17:22] <manjaro-kde5> and drivers nvidia[17:17:26] <schmittr> yaourt is your friend :)[17:17:31] <manjaro-kde5> what is yaourt[17:17:42] <manjaro-jwm> your new* friend =D[17:17:45] <schmittr> a command line tool[17:18:08] <manjaro-kde5> oh i get it :D arch based can install both deb and fedora packages[17:18:12] <manjaro-kde5> but only cmd[17:18:15] <manjaro-jwm> use yaourt -s chromium to find the packets[17:18:24] <manjaro-jwm> and yaourt -S [package] to istall it[17:18:25] <schmittr> https://wiki.archlinux.de/title/yaourt[17:18:26] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/S9RviY] yaourt – wiki.archlinux.de[17:18:46] <manjaro-kde5> i like this distro so far, will tune up later[17:19:01] <manjaro-kde5> 250 updates aviliable[17:19:06] <manjaro-jwm> so far = 2min ?[17:19:08] <manjaro-jwm> xD[17:19:22] <manjaro-kde5> wait how do i install updates[17:19:26] <manjaro-kde5> i click the ghost nothing happens[17:19:31] <manjaro-jwm> pacman -Syu[17:19:37] <manjaro-kde5> cmd?[17:19:41] <manjaro-jwm> its not cmd[17:19:43] <manjaro-jwm> its terminal[17:19:48] <mike-zal2> yes[17:19:52] <manjaro-jwm> cmd is windows[17:19:55] <mike-zal2> he means cmd as command line[17:20:06] <manjaro-kde5> nothing happen[17:20:14] <mike-zal2> manjaro-kde5: open octopi[17:20:16] <manjaro-jwm> then do sudo !![17:20:20] <manjaro-jwm> and write ur pw[17:20:21] <mike-zal2> it will be easier for you then[17:20:31] <mike-zal2> octopi is your software center[17:21:01] <mike-zal2> not so fancy as in ubuntu, because it's merely package manager but it does the job manjaro-kde5[17:21:38] <manjaro-kde5> i dont like ubuntu[17:21:51] <mike-zal2> did you found it? if you opened octopi, click on alien face, wait till it switches and then type chrome and hit enter[17:21:58] <manjaro-kde5> sec updates install[17:22:14] <manjaro-jwm> so its installing?[17:22:22] <mike-zal2> ah, you can't install or look for programs during update[17:22:34] <manjaro-jwm> btw any one from here usint[17:22:37] <mike-zal2> you need to wait till update is over[17:22:39] <manjaro-jwm> using telegram desktop?[17:22:50] <manjaro-jwm> u guys got the bug that each time u reboot u must add ur number?[17:22:58] *** j3rzu <j3rzu!~manjaro-k@2.218.249.202> has joined #manjaro[17:23:12] <manjaro-kde5> is there dropbox for nejaro?[17:23:24] <mparillo> Yes[17:23:39] <mparillo> Octopi can find it[17:23:58] <mike-zal2> manjaro-kde5: alien face switched for AUR - that's where chrome is[17:24:22] <mike-zal2> manjaro-kde5: when you "unclick" alien face, then octopi searches packages in manjaro repo[17:24:29] <mike-zal2> you can find chromium there[17:24:36] <manjaro-kde5> i wanted to install arch but i had some difficulties and saw menjaro[17:24:46] <mike-zal2> chromium is open source version of chrome, the same but with different licence[17:24:51] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[17:25:08] <manjaro-kde5> chrome 53 is awesome, the stable ver is 51[17:25:11] <mike-zal2> manjaro-kde5: manjaro is a lot easier but still could be a bit difficoult for a newbie[17:25:19] *** RocknRolf <RocknRolf!~rolf@ip5f5afb2a.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #manjaro[17:25:24] <mparillo> But Chromium does not ship with pepper-flash, and I believe it does not have the same PDF viewer.[17:25:37] <mike-zal2> anyway, learn how to use octopi manjaro-kde5[17:26:30] <manjaro-kde5> what's the best c++ ide for linux?[17:29:17] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-jwm, vim.[17:29:51] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-jwm, but if you like really fancy graphics its a matter of your DE i'd assume. For gtk/gnome theres the gnome builder that is pretty decent,for qt qtdevelop[17:30:03] <Lowl3v3l> oh sry, was for manjaro-kde5[17:31:12] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p5DCDED5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:31:50] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@151.247.232.158> has joined #manjaro[17:31:50] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@151.247.232.158> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:31:50] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has joined #manjaro[17:34:50] *** NoirLess <NoirLess!~noirless@ppp91-122-153-158.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: brb)[17:34:51] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:34:52] <berm> Manjaro does not renember my display layout[17:35:00] <berm> anyone knows what that could be?[17:35:03] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:35:15] <berm> I have to maually adjust the display order after every reboot[17:35:42] <manjaro-kde5> hey theres about 2gbs of updates to install[17:35:44] <manjaro-kde5> how long will it take?[17:35:46] *** schmittr <schmittr!2e05b047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.5.176.71> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:37:48] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, pi*5.[17:37:59] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.80> has joined #manjaro[17:38:22] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, just no idea about the unit of time.[17:40:44] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[17:40:52] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[17:42:08] *** HoNgOuRu <HoNgOuRu!~fenix@r167-57-122-4.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[17:43:52] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@adsl-dyn61.78-98-218.t-com.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[17:46:07] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has joined #manjaro[17:48:48] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:49:25] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[17:53:12] <mike-zal2> manjaro-kde5: depends on your internet bandwith, proper mirror settings and computer speed[17:53:27] <mike-zal2> so it can take half hour or 2...[17:53:54] <mike-zal2> usually manjaro mirrors are screwed so the download speed is lower then it should[17:54:08] *** schmittr <schmittr!2e05b047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.5.176.71> has joined #manjaro[17:54:56] <schmittr> manjaro-kde5 try codelite 4 cpp[17:57:21] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has joined #manjaro[17:57:26] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[17:57:50] *** manjaro-web|8919 <manjaro-web|8919!5abdfbc0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.90.189.251.192> has joined #manjaro[17:57:58] *** manjaro-web|8919 <manjaro-web|8919!5abdfbc0@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.90.189.251.192> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:58:42] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[17:58:58] <manjaro-kde5> is it possible to change octopi mirror?[17:59:01] <manjaro-kde5> its going like 18kb/s[17:59:08] <manjaro-kde5> out of 2gb[17:59:50] <Frechdachs> sudo pacman-mirrors -g[18:00:12] <manjaro-kde5> but it's instaling right now is it isafe to close it?[18:00:23] <manjaro-kde5> updating[18:00:25] <Frechdachs> that should check all mirrors and choose the one with the lowest ping[18:00:32] <Frechdachs> probably not[18:00:48] <Frechdachs> well, if it is just downloading now ...[18:00:48] <manjaro-kde5> one more question and will go watch discovery[18:00:54] <mtn> manjaro-kde5: if it is still downloading, you can stop. no problem.[18:00:58] <manjaro-kde5> change the size of the icons down right taskbar?[18:01:04] <Frechdachs> ... it may be alright[18:01:24] <manjaro-kde5> they are oversized compared to the left[18:01:54] *** Adam_eM <Adam_eM!~adam@89-76-245-15.dynamic.chello.pl> has joined #manjaro[18:02:00] <Adam_eM> hi there[18:02:04] <manjaro-kde5> yo[18:02:26] *** PMunch <PMunch!~PMunch@178.74.62.78> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[18:02:53] <Adam_eM> I have a problem with an external sound card. Although I have it listed in pavucontrol, it's impossible to make it default device for several applications[18:03:15] <manjaro-kde5> reinstall?[18:03:50] <Adam_eM> manjaro-kde5, are you kidding? whole system because of sound?[18:04:10] <manjaro-kde5> i meant the driver[18:04:50] <mtn> Adam_eM: are you saying some apps use that sound card and some don't?[18:06:01] <Adam_eM> mtn, quite true. In some cases I can select external soundcart as an output, in some others it's inactive[18:06:04] <manjaro-kde5> how many sound cards do you have[18:06:13] <Adam_eM> manjaro-kde5, 2[18:06:20] <mtn> Adam_eM: please give examples[18:07:15] <manjaro-kde5> update the kernel[18:07:44] <Adam_eM> mtn: well, for example I can set youtube (browser) to use my external sound card, but some steam games are using internal sound card[18:08:01] <manjaro-kde5> i think you can manage that throught the graphich driver[18:08:09] <mtn> Adam_eM: this really sounds like a problem with the settings in some apps[18:08:10] <Adam_eM> and I can't switch them to the external one[18:08:15] <manjaro-kde5> do you use nvidia?[18:08:33] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:08:54] <Adam_eM> manjaro-kde5, no, radeon, sorry[18:09:14] <manjaro-kde5> i have never used readon, way too overpriced[18:09:22] <manjaro-kde5> but im sure you can manage it throught there[18:09:25] <mtn> Adam_eM: what if you set the external card as the default sound card in pavucontrol? don't all apps use it?[18:09:30] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #manjaro[18:09:32] <Adam_eM> mtn, I suppose there's lack of some library maybe[18:09:41] <manjaro-kde5> update to linux kernerl 4.6[18:09:47] <manjaro-kde5> maybe theres fixes[18:10:00] *** schmittr <schmittr!2e05b047@gateway/web/freenode/ip.46.5.176.71> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:10:06] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@p5485ED44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[18:10:35] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@p5485ED44.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:10:44] <manjaro-kde5> whats new to 4.6.2-1 is it worth to update it?[18:11:26] <mtn> manjaro-kde5: normally no reason to do so. the kernel website has info on new kernels[18:11:46] <manjaro-kde5> yeah but since i'm newbie and learning, i thought its the best to start from the latest[18:11:54] <manjaro-kde5> not to waste time on what's not used anymore[18:12:01] <Strit_Laptop> Wife wants me to learn her some basic bash commands. :P[18:12:08] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, the lts kernel 4.4 is fine[18:12:28] <Lowl3v3l> Strit_Laptop, sit her in front of a fish and let her have fun^^[18:12:30] <Adam_eM> mtn, with a little trick it worked. I had to also disable internal device in pavucontrol[18:12:34] <mtn> manjaro-kde5: lots of older kernels are used and supported[18:12:40] <mtn> Adam_eM: great[18:12:44] <manjaro-kde5> i think ubuntu uses 3.3[18:13:03] *** Adam_eM <Adam_eM!~adam@89-76-245-15.dynamic.chello.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:13:24] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, ubuntu is on 4.x kernels too i'd assume[18:13:38] <manjaro-kde5> the 16.10 is updated[18:13:39] <Strit_Laptop> Lowl3v3l, nah, it's a step in the right direction. She wants to learn, which is great.[18:13:49] <manjaro-kde5> btw started cpp whats good ide program?[18:14:01] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:14:02] <manjaro-kde5> codeblocks?[18:14:18] <Lowl3v3l> Strit_Laptop, yeah but the fish is a good thing for learners :)[18:14:27] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, i told you before already.[18:14:41] <manjaro-kde5> eclipse? didnt see[18:14:56] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, around 45 minutes ago[18:15:01] *** Cinnamon811rc <Cinnamon811rc!~Manjaro-C@151.25.10.156> has joined #manjaro[18:15:36] <manjaro-kde5> try codelite 4 cpp[18:15:50] *** Cinnamon811rc <Cinnamon811rc!~Manjaro-C@151.25.10.156> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:16:13] <Strit_Laptop> Lowl3v3l, It's just basic commands, she wants me to show him. :)[18:16:44] <manjaro-kde5> its not so hard, learned 90% of the cmds in 2 days[18:17:06] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, somehow i doubt this. Either you are a genius or you have no clue.[18:17:13] <manjaro-kde5> im pro[18:17:16] *** badbodh <badbodh!~badbodh@unaffiliated/badbodh> has joined #manjaro[18:17:21] <Lowl3v3l> Strit_Laptop, but fish is cool :P[18:17:22] <manjaro-kde5> dont sleep[18:17:29] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, yeah likely story.[18:17:29] <manjaro-kde5> max 5h[18:17:37] *** naitsabes <naitsabes!~naitsabes@unaffiliated/naitsabes> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[18:17:42] <Strit_Laptop> Lowl3v3l, I dont know fish. :P I use bash. :)[18:17:50] <manjaro-kde5> bash > fish[18:18:04] <Lowl3v3l> Strit_Laptop, take a look at it. its pretty nice, especially for beginners^^[18:18:35] <manjaro-kde5> about 3-4 hours left with 18kb/s update[18:18:44] <manjaro-kde5> what am i gonna do[18:21:33] *** mtn <mtn!~mtn@72.168.160.80> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:21:41] <Strit_Laptop> manjaro-kde5, slow mirror?[18:21:49] <Strit_Laptop> Or just slow internet in general?[18:24:51] *** flawless <flawless!~flawless@hst-31-89.splius.lt> has joined #manjaro[18:25:57] *** aajjbb <aajjbb!~aajjbb@186.223.198.127> has joined #manjaro[18:28:21] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #manjaro[18:28:25] <mike-zal2> slow mirror is more probable these days[18:29:18] <mike-zal2> Strit_Laptop: can I add some additional patches to manjaro kernel, compile it and use it?[18:29:52] <Strit_Laptop> mike-zal2, ofcourse. Just get the pkgbuild from github for the kernel in question. Make the changes, build it and install it.[18:29:53] <mike-zal2> I saw some already patched kernels but for arch. I would like to have those version for manjaro[18:30:17] *** NolanSyKinsley <NolanSyKinsley!~NolanSyKi@2606:6000:5112:df00:b3de:3de9:531f:5ce2> has joined #manjaro[18:30:36] <mike-zal2> ok, thanks Strit_Laptop, will investigate this topic further[18:35:42] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has joined #manjaro[18:40:49] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:42:34] <manjaro-kde5> hey is it possible to check how much % has the update done?[18:42:43] <manjaro-kde5> how much packages are updated out of how much[18:42:55] <manjaro-kde5> time is limited[18:44:12] <jurislav> i guess it's hard ti estimate how long it'll take to install everything on your mahcine[18:44:19] <jurislav> not even windows can tell exactly :)[18:44:31] <manjaro-kde5> super computer[18:44:34] <jurislav> actually, I've never seen it on any system[18:44:37] <manjaro-kde5> its just the download[18:44:44] <jurislav> ah[18:45:31] <manjaro-kde5> i'll have to count the installed 1by 1[18:46:33] <manjaro-kde5> hmm[18:46:39] <manjaro-kde5> definitely more than 200[18:48:54] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:48:58] *** Makaveli7 <Makaveli7!~Makaveli7@46.197.149.93> has joined #manjaro[18:50:07] *** manjaro-web|6659 <manjaro-web|6659!5893931d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.147.147.29> has joined #manjaro[18:50:34] *** manjaro-web|6659 <manjaro-web|6659!5893931d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.88.147.147.29> has left #manjaro[18:52:26] *** PseudoNoob <PseudoNoob!~PseudoNoo@unaffiliated/pseudonoob> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:56:30] *** Yaser_Amiri <Yaser_Amiri!~manjaro-k@unaffiliated/yaser-amiri/x-1936080> has joined #manjaro[18:58:25] *** HoNgOuRu <HoNgOuRu!~fenix@r167-57-122-4.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:02:46] <manjaro-kde5> hey guys[19:02:53] <manjaro-kde5> what is the command to automatically change[19:02:59] <manjaro-kde5> octopi mirror?[19:03:05] <manjaro-kde5> 18kb/s is way too low..[19:03:11] <manjaro-kde5> im cancling this one[19:03:16] <jurislav> manjaro-kde5: no automation there. you can select though[19:03:21] <manjaro-kde5> how[19:03:22] <jurislav> look for Update manager[19:03:30] <jurislav> and in setting somewhere[19:03:36] <jurislav> whad DE you have?[19:03:51] <manjaro-kde5> what is that[19:04:01] <manjaro-kde5> oh[19:04:03] <manjaro-kde5> dunno[19:04:05] <manjaro-kde5> the second one[19:04:17] <manjaro-kde5> sec[19:04:25] <jurislav> ah, KDE[19:04:27] <jurislav> sorry[19:04:32] <manjaro-kde5> kde[19:04:33] <jurislav> so hit alt + space[19:04:40] <jurislav> and start typing "update..."[19:04:50] <jurislav> it should filter the update mngr for you[19:04:54] <jurislav> or something like that[19:05:11] <manjaro-kde5> nothing show[19:05:23] <jurislav> use common sense for. try typing similar stuff - install, update, manager, etc[19:05:37] <jurislav> maybe it's win + space[19:05:51] <jurislav> should pop up a search bar at the top of screen[19:05:51] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[19:06:01] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has joined #manjaro[19:06:20] *** chshbh <chshbh!~Avinash@146.196.33.210> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:06:37] <berm> Guys I broke my system (again)[19:06:42] <berm> WHat should I do?[19:06:47] <jurislav> berm: you're incredible :D[19:06:51] <jurislav> what is it this time?[19:06:51] <berm> Thanks[19:06:55] <berm> Well[19:07:06] <manjaro-kde5> someone told me cmd to select the best mirror[19:07:08] <manjaro-kde5> i lost it[19:07:23] <berm> manjaro did not want to save my display order[19:07:31] <berm> so after every reboot[19:07:40] <berm> I had to adjust the settings[19:08:02] <berm> I thought that that was stupid, en tried to kinda restore the installation[19:08:04] <jurislav> manjaro-kde5: what about the update manager?didn't fin it?[19:08:15] <jurislav> what about the app launcher[19:08:31] <manjaro-kde5> sudo pacman-mirrors -g[19:08:34] <manjaro-kde5> found it[19:08:37] <jurislav> :D[19:08:41] <berm> so I used: sudo pacman -Qenq | pacman -S -[19:08:43] <berm> well[19:08:51] <berm> Now all the options from windows are gone[19:08:56] <berm> minimumsize, close etc[19:09:02] <berm> so all my windows are static[19:09:02] <jurislav> manjaro-kde5: what does that do exactly? it choses the mirror for you? based on what?[19:09:11] <manjaro-kde5> ping[19:09:15] <manjaro-kde5> something like that[19:09:18] <manjaro-kde5> respond speed[19:09:21] <manjaro-kde5> dunno[19:09:31] <jurislav> manjaro-kde5: so what mirror it selected for you and where are you located[19:09:39] <manjaro-kde5> sec pinging[19:09:48] <berm> jurislav: any idea how I could revert or solve this?[19:09:55] <berm> My window manager is broken[19:10:02] <manjaro-kde5> reinstall[19:10:05] <berm> NOOOO[19:10:08] <jurislav> berm: not sure what that command does, but the display setup should be persistent over reboots for sure. what DE you said you were..?[19:10:11] <berm> Don't want too :([19:10:15] <berm> KDE[19:10:39] <berm> It is driving me nuts[19:10:45] <manjaro-kde5> install new manager[19:10:49] <berm> trying another reboot[19:10:51] <manjaro-kde5> or reinstall the current one[19:10:56] <berm> brb[19:11:20] <manjaro-kde5> let me try update again[19:11:23] <manjaro-kde5> it selected the best[19:11:23] <jurislav> could be buggy[19:11:34] <jurislav> the newest kde[19:12:06] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@94.254.51.247> has joined #manjaro[19:12:10] <berm> wel[19:12:13] <berm> did not help[19:12:14] <berm> nice[19:12:18] <manjaro-kde5> install new manager[19:12:49] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@77.28.66.23> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[19:13:21] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@186.177.121.54> has joined #manjaro[19:14:07] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~manjaro@94.254.51.247> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[19:14:25] <berm> dsaswell[19:14:30] <berm> reinstall manjaro[19:14:33] <berm> 3rd time[19:14:34] <berm> DAMMIT[19:14:47] <jurislav> use somethign that works now :)[19:14:52] <jurislav> ever tried cinnamon?[19:14:57] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@77.28.66.23> has joined #manjaro[19:14:59] <berm> Lets just go with ubuntu :)[19:15:00] <manjaro-kde5-> hey[19:15:04] <manjaro-kde5-> anyone here?[19:15:06] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:15:08] <berm> clearly majaro does not want me[19:15:17] <manjaro-kde5-> berm you can fix it[19:15:27] <manjaro-kde5-> reinstall the manager[19:15:27] <berm> Yeah, i want KDE[19:15:35] <berm> yeah, cannot find anywhere how[19:17:37] <jurislav> i wouldn't do it[19:17:40] <jurislav> :/[19:17:52] <jurislav> reinstall ich faster and carries no trouble[19:17:55] *** Matombo <Matombo!~Matombo@p5DCDED5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #manjaro[19:18:39] <manjaro-kde5-> dayum its so fast now :D[19:18:43] <manjaro-kde5-> before it was 18kb/s[19:18:45] <manjaro-kde5-> now goes 50mb/s[19:19:07] <manjaro-kde5-> wait it's already downloaded[19:20:55] <jurislav> yeah, default in all flavours is US mirror, I think[19:21:03] <jurislav> which everyone uses, since it's default[19:21:10] <jurislav> something to be worked on, i'd say..[19:24:34] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@77.28.66.23> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:25:35] <berm> Got it working: combination KDE and openbox[19:25:57] <berm> lets see if it renembers my displat[19:26:06] <berm> display*[19:28:08] *** johnvan <johnvan!~johnvan@TOROON2634W-LP130-04-1177891837.dsl.bell.ca> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:28:23] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@77.28.66.23> has joined 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it this time :)[19:51:02] <berm> tolate[19:51:03] <berm> xD[19:51:19] <jurislav> tbh, i played around with KDE as well, but broke it several times too[19:51:24] <jurislav> so i am back to cinnamon[19:51:28] <berm> Yeah well[19:51:31] <berm> It is weird[19:51:43] <berm> hopefully it will renember my display settings now..[19:51:44] *** autostart <autostart!4d0b6cb4@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.11.108.180> has joined #manjaro[19:51:51] *** ggr <ggr!~ggr@143-122-191-90.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined #manjaro[19:52:18] <berm> I'm doing a system upgrade now too[19:52:24] <jurislav> havent found anything that would work so good and intuitively.. the mix of standard and tiling, the kbd shortcuts... all just works out of the box. i don't have to do any modifications[19:52:32] <berm> I love i3[19:52:35] <jurislav> try it, i am curious[19:52:37] <berm> i3 is thwe shit[19:52:42] <autostart> hey guys where do i configure the settings so my manjaro starts progs at launch? did so already with firefox, cant find it anymore[19:52:56] <jurislav> i know. tried i3 too.[19:53:13] *** mantra__ <mantra__!~no@14-201-221-216.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:53:26] <berm> autostart: alt + space: type autostart[19:53:29] <berm> there you go[19:53:52] <berm> look at me, already helping people :P[19:54:18] <berm> (don't take to much advise from me, might break your system..)[19:54:37] <jurislav> berm: you sure autostart is on KDE..? :P[19:54:42] <berm> yeye[19:54:44] <berm> I tried :D[19:54:47] <tmsbrdrs> lol, was about to say that[19:54:47] <autostart> uhm[19:54:48] <autostart> no[19:54:51] <berm> yeah[19:54:57] <tmsbrdrs> autostart, what's your DE?[19:54:59] <autostart> its rightclick on xfce[19:55:02] <autostart> the best de[19:55:05] <berm> ahaahahha[19:55:07] <berm> funny man[19:55:17] <berm> i3 = the best[19:55:18] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has left #manjaro ("Leaving")[19:55:24] <berm> But I want a good looking thing atm[19:55:25] <berm> so[19:55:27] <berm> here I am[19:55:37] <tmsbrdrs> I prefer Gnome but to each his/her own[19:55:51] <autostart> i3 is a wm, not de[19:55:56] <berm> tmsbrdrs: No space for your opinion! :p[19:56:00] <jurislav> berm: cinnamon is good loking :P and gnome takes controls out and breaks kinda often to my linking[19:56:01] <autostart> so, suggestions?[19:56:01] <tmsbrdrs> :P[19:56:19] <berm> autostart: yeah, take a normal de :p[19:56:29] <berm> jurislav: I had cinnamon on my mint[19:56:31] <tmsbrdrs> gnome hasn't broken for me since 3.6[19:56:33] <berm> was great[19:56:36] <berm> till I met i3[19:56:44] <berm> and I fell in love[19:56:45] <berm> :3[19:56:54] <jurislav> autostart: do you have an app launcher? is there a search field? can you type "start" in there?[19:57:11] <autostart> app launcher?[19:57:11] <berm> or just litterally: autostart in that field[19:57:13] <berm> same as I did[19:57:16] <berm> autostart: yeah[19:57:16] <autostart> command line or what[19:57:19] <berm> no[19:57:29] <berm> You have an app launcher where you can search?[19:57:37] <jurislav> maps[19:57:39] <berm> if you type "firefox" you get firefox?[19:57:39] <jurislav> eh[19:57:42] <autostart> hell ye[19:57:43] <berm> there[19:57:51] <autostart> but no startup there[19:57:57] <berm> and "start"?[19:58:09] <autostart> oh sry there is, typo[19:58:22] <berm> lol'd[19:58:23] <autostart> startup[19:58:27] <autostart> its called[19:58:44] <autostart> in there "application autostart"[19:58:47] <berm> could be[19:58:47] *** flipper-maniac <flipper-maniac!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:58:57] <autostart> must be, thanks[19:59:03] <berm> Question, do we have an IRC bot here, we can add quotes to?[19:59:07] <berm> !Bot[19:59:10] <autostart> yep, can see my ff command there[19:59:18] <berm> np bro[19:59:18] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@151.247.232.158> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:59:59] 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back later ?[20:25:47] <dodgejcr> usually done through a display manager. so disable the display manager[20:26:28] <jurislav> somthjing like systemctl disable <displaymanager>?[20:26:34] *** Colt <Colt!~Colt@109-92-154-154.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:26:51] <dodgejcr> exactly that[20:27:40] *** glsmaxx <glsmaxx!~glsmaxx@66-38-102-195.pool.dsl.nctc.com> has joined #manjaro[20:28:35] <jurislav> and which one is used by default?[20:29:17] <jurislav> in mnjr[20:29:44] <dodgejcr> depending on the desktop used[20:29:50] <dodgejcr> kde uses sddm[20:30:04] <dodgejcr> xfce uses lightdm I believe[20:30:13] <jurislav> ah, right[20:30:13] <dodgejcr> community editions im not sure[20:30:39] <jurislav> for some reason, i thought for a while it's the same for all[20:30:48] <jurislav> but makes sense it's not[20:31:25] <tmsbrdrs> gnome uses gdm[20:34:19] *** Manj-1605-Lxqt <Manj-1605-Lxqt!~aspire@23-248-5-222.tpia.execulink.com> has joined #manjaro[20:34:22] *** 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I am currently trying and failing to get Hibernation to work. Hibernating only completes successfully about every one in three tries and when resuming from a successfull hibernation, I just get a screen full of colorful noise.[21:34:17] <jayjay_> Whenever the hibernation doesn't succeed, my computer just never shuts off. The screen goes black instantly and then nothing happens until i manually turn off my pc[21:34:39] <jayjay_> I am hibernating to a swap file[21:35:02] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:35:12] <jayjay_> and I have doublechecked, that the /etc/default/grub file contains the right values (disk uuid and swapfile offset)[21:35:12] *** manjaro-kde5- <manjaro-kde5-!~manjaro-k@151.247.232.158> has joined #manjaro[21:35:27] <jayjay_> the swap file has the same size as my ram (16g)[21:35:34] *** manmi <manmi!~manmi@p4FE16B8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:35:49] *** mike-zal2 <mike-zal2!~michaldyb@agtr21.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:36:00] <jayjay_> I have used the hibernator script, but that didnt work, so I have tried to fix it manually, but so far without any success.[21:36:18] <jayjay_> Is there something that I should look out for in the system journal?[21:38:58] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:39:44] *** iv3c <iv3c!~iv3c@unaffiliated/iv3c> has joined #manjaro[21:44:25] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@2a02:c7d:8e16:6200:e583:ad34:199:1567> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:46:48] *** tmnvanderberg <tmnvanderberg!~tmnvander@52481FAE.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #manjaro[21:55:46] *** mallowmow <mallowmow!~mallowmow@2a02:c7d:8e16:6200:e583:ad34:199:1567> has joined #manjaro[22:03:23] <BryzNSTY> I cant get my input device to work through pulse audio in mumble, it works fine through alsa though[22:03:28] <BryzNSTY> any ideas?[22:04:32] *** tulliana <tulliana!~demiray@178.233.235.6> has joined #manjaro[22:04:32] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v tulliana[22:06:03] *** Matumaros <Matumaros!~Matumaros@aftr-185-17-205-186.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:06:16] *** iv3c 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#manjaro[22:36:27] <manjaroCinnamon1> hi[22:41:18] *** Kuvis <Kuvis!~owner@line-13627.dyn.kponet.fi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:41:36] *** manjaro-kde5 <manjaro-kde5!~manjaro-k@109.175.50.158> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[22:48:02] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[22:50:50] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has joined #manjaro[22:52:10] <berm> This is driving me INSANE[22:52:20] <berm> 3RD INSTALLATION OF MANJARO TODAY[22:52:30] <berm> STILL DOES NOT RENEMBER MY DISPLAY SETTINGS[22:52:47] <berm> I'm going back to ubuntu, I cannot stand this.[22:53:06] <berm> It's just doing this to piss me off, I swar[22:53:08] <berm> swear*[22:54:37] *** mac1202 <mac1202!~mac@95.211.205.141> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:54:56] *** glsmaxx <glsmaxx!~glsmaxx@66-38-102-195.pool.dsl.nctc.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:56:04] <BryzNSTY> why are you reinstalling to remember your display settings?[22:56:08] <BryzNSTY> just use arandr[22:57:24] *** NanoSector <NanoSector!~Yoshi2889@simplemachines/friend/NanoSector> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:58:42] *** FatalException <FatalException!~FatalExce@unaffiliated/yoshi2889/bot/fatalexception> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:59:57] *** tobinski_ <tobinski_!~tobinski@p5DE0C4E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:01:05] *** Condor <Condor!~condor@unaffiliated/condor> has joined #manjaro[23:03:35] <berm> Yeah not only that[23:03:41] <berm> kinda wrecked my ED 2 times[23:03:43] *** manots <manots!~computer@24-217-91-243.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:05:33] *** linux_dream <linux_dream!~linux_dre@unaffiliated/linux-dream/x-5839402> has joined #manjaro[23:05:43] <linux_dream> hi guys. im unable to make zsh the default shell[23:06:20] <linux_dream> I've done sudo chsh -s /bin/zsh and got the message that the default shell was changed[23:06:25] <linux_dream> i logged out and logged in[23:06:32] <linux_dream> bash is the still the default shell[23:12:07] *** HoNgOuRu <HoNgOuRu!~fenix@r167-57-122-4.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[23:12:12] *** Nishikino-Maki <Nishikino-Maki!~Thunderbi@223.72.251.249> has quit IRC (Quit: Nishikino-Maki)[23:12:24] *** fenix_ <fenix_!~fenix@r167-57-122-4.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #manjaro[23:12:28] *** sbfslqbgf <sbfslqbgf!~manjaro-k@2a02:2f08:2101:7000:3fdd:b70d:82ca:bcae> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:20:20] *** NoirLess <NoirLess!~noirless@ppp91-122-153-158.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru> has joined #manjaro[23:22:20] *** flipper-maniac_ <flipper-maniac_!~flipper@unaffiliated/flipper-maniac> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[23:22:49] <linux_dream> nvm[23:23:11] *** Strit_Laptop <Strit_Laptop!~Strit@d40a2015.rev.stofanet.dk> has left #manjaro ("Manjaro Strit is available at www.strits.dk!")[23:26:45] *** naitsabes 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