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[00:30:04] <ajfried> wtiger, yes
[00:30:34] <ajfried> but it is complicated and simpler to reinstall
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[00:37:47] <VoidFox> google $(xclip -o)
[00:37:57] <VoidFox> sry
[00:39:13] <wtiger> ajfried: .. how do I reinstall preserving my data etc?
[00:39:53] <mtn> wtiger: do you have a seperate /home partition?
[00:40:05] <ajfried> use grsync or a similiar program to copy your home folder to a separate drive
[00:41:01] <ajfried> if you have a separate home partition install the new manjaro iso with manual partitioning and dont format your home.
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[00:41:25] <mtn> wtiger: but make sure to have backups, anyway!
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[00:42:04] <ajfried> always backup and backup your backup
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[01:06:07] <Dan-C> help please, to run genymotion, I get this error genymotion: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: FcWeightFromOpenType
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[01:06:42] <Dan-C> how do I solve it?
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[01:06:55] <mtn> Dan-C: this is an app from the aur?
[01:07:12] <Dan-C> yes
[01:07:21] <mtn> Dan-C: did you read the comments on the aur page?
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[01:08:05] <Dan-C> multiple user have the same error
[01:08:19] <mtn> Dan-C: any solutions mentioned?
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[01:08:34] <Dan-C> nothing
[01:08:48] <Dan-C> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/genymotion/
[01:08:50] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/CVyQks] AUR (en) - genymotion
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[01:10:06] <mtn> Dan-C: have you done your updates lately and do you have fontconfig installed?
[01:11:18] <Dan-C> fontconfig is installed
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[01:12:30] <mtn> Dan-C: the package from the aur may want a different version of the package. I found a couple of posts mentioning that
[01:12:47] <mtn> Dan-C: have you done your updates, yes or no?
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[01:12:54] <Dan-C> yes
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[01:13:15] <Dan-C> i update recently
[01:13:28] <mtn> Dan-C: are there apps in the main repos to do the same job?
[01:14:22] <Dan-C> is pango, i try pango-git since aur
[01:14:35] <Dan-C> the same error
[01:14:43] <mtn> Dan-C: I mean genymotion. perhaps something in the repos will work ok?
[01:16:43] <Dan-C> virtualbox work perfectly
[01:16:51] <mtn> Dan-C: ?
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[01:17:08] <mtn> Dan-C: what does vbox have to do with genymotion?
[01:17:24] <Dan-C> sorry, I don't undertand
[01:17:41] <mtn> Dan-C: why did you mention vbox?
[01:18:33] <Dan-C> genymotion use virtualbox
[01:18:58] <mtn> Dan-C: did you look for something that does the same job as genymotion in the main repos?
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[01:20:43] <Dan-C> no, I will try whit adb from android studio
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[02:09:10] <w30> how do I backup my bootloader before a ubuntu based install wrecks it?
[02:10:34] <w30> I tried dd the first 512 mbs and it didn't work.
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[02:24:46] <ajfried22> clonezilla
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[02:32:28] <lixa> timeshift
[02:32:35] <w30> ajfried22, what do I need to backup?
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[02:34:05] <ajfried22> your boot partition, isnt that what you asked? or you could backup your whole disc and install your choice based on how confident you feel
[02:34:19] <lixa> whenever I **** up it reinstalls grub. Registers all partitions well.
[02:35:20] <w30> ajfried22, no. My Manjaro sda9 doesnot get written over, just something on sda
[02:36:05] <ajfried22> run lsblk in term
[02:36:25] <w30> Ubuntu distros cannot handle Manjaro boot
[02:37:10] <w30> it finds it but messes it up
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[02:47:29] <ajfried22> you shouldnt install grub if you already have a linux os installed just run os prober on your primary distro
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[02:49:33] <w30> ajfried22, now that sounds good. What's os prober? a command or an app?
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[02:50:17] <ajfried22> it is an optional dependency of grub
[02:51:10] <w30> ajfried22, I'm dumb. Lead me to itor through it
[02:52:02] <ajfried22> sudo pacman -S os-prober
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[02:53:29] <w30> ajfried22, looks like I have it how do you run it?
[02:53:39] <ajfried22> to install, then manually partition install your other distro and do not install grub, then reboot into manjaro and run sudo os-prober and update-grub
[02:54:43] <w30> ajfried22 wonderfull, thank you. that will sure beat booting a cd and chroot
[02:56:03] <ajfried22> when i realize i can help other people troubleshoot and debug, i realize how far i have come and how much i know now. because i once had similar questions
[02:57:07] <w30> ajfried22, today "you da man"
[02:57:19] <w30> ajfried22, ha
[02:57:54] <ajfried22> your welcome w30
[03:02:39] <w30> Manjaro ain't going nowhere, it is always going to get top billing
[03:04:14] <ajfried22> right because we answer questions instead of telling you to read the wiki, which i almost did lol
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[03:08:27] <w30> my Linux experience is very deep in about 2 or 3 narrow items but then like a dessert in all the other wetness
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[03:09:35] <ajfried22> pro tip all distros are the same just different themeing and commands
[03:11:00] <w30> ajfried22, the trouble with wikis or how tos is knowing how to define what your problem really is. Oneceyou get a clue you can pickup and run.
[03:12:59] <w30> ajfried22, Manjaro coffee comes in a nice cup though
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[03:14:32] <zuesx> Hello all
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[03:24:24] <manjaro-kde5-> manjaro em porguese Brazil help?
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[04:21:17] <hitcoder> hey
[04:22:01] <hitcoder> I need to install lib32-smpeg2 as a dependency for lib32-sdl2_mixer, but the lib32-smpeg2 package won't install
[04:22:41] <hitcoder> I get the error "narrowing conversion of '-1' from 'int' to 'unsigned int' inside { } [-Wnarrowing]
[04:23:11] <hitcoder> please help
[04:23:50] <hitcoder> 154 people online and none can help me
[04:23:51] <hitcoder> great
[04:23:52] <hitcoder> thanks
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[04:24:21] <hitcoder> ok fine 153
[04:24:37] <hitcoder> really?
[04:24:40] <hitcoder> nobody can help?
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[04:29:24] <ajfried22> i have no clue try asking on our forums
[04:31:42] <tefter> hitcoder you can wait for programmer to correct error or you can correct yourself...
[04:32:43] <hitcoder> I have no idea how to and I highly doubt that the programmer will correct it as Last Updated: 2015-07-08 03:25
[04:34:38] <hitcoder> as for asking on the forums
[04:34:51] <hitcoder> could do that but IRC is "faster" and more direct response
[04:35:41] <tefter> that's c++11 error
[04:35:53] <tefter> you have to cast -1 to unsigned
[04:36:09] <hitcoder> how do I do that
[04:36:17] <tefter> error comes with newer version of compiler I guess
[04:36:28] <hitcoder> someone commented on it saying "You can build with -std=gnu++98." I don't know how to do that either
[04:36:41] <hitcoder> would I append that to yaourt?
[04:36:43] <tefter> (unsigned)-1
[04:36:55] <hitcoder> where do I put that though
[04:38:12] <tefter> download aur package then edit PKGBUILD if you want gnu++98
[04:38:29] <tefter> that's easier as you don't know c++
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[04:39:18] <hitcoder> where do I put that in the pkgbuild
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[04:42:30] <hitcoder> tefter where do I put that in the pkgbuild
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[04:51:14] <hitcoder> ...
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[04:56:11] <hitcoder> never mind figured it out
[04:56:32] <hitcoder> could have just said cxxflags
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[05:12:27] <hitcoder> Thank you so much tefter
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[05:32:46] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
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[05:41:50] <ajfried22> hi
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[05:57:32] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[05:57:33] <w30> CountryfiedLinux, my new wallpaper:http://imgur.com/n22XBs0
[05:57:34] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/q1hAFB] Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
[05:58:10] <CountryfiedLinux> w30, https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M88a4b5f5649ba05cd7631f0fa5698db1H2&pid=15.1
[05:58:11] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/9tJetV] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
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[05:58:26] <monolith> Hey
[05:58:27] <monolith> I have the error 'Cannot create package list (metalinks).' in cnchi
[05:58:36] <monolith> I think I've gotten it before, but cannot remember the solution
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[05:59:35] <w30> CountryfiedLinux, ha
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[06:05:54] <Manj-813-Lxqt2> octopi has google-chrome as red, and has some wierd questions when i try to install. what do i do? says installation is dangerous, but chrome is broken already somehow after pacman -Syu
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[06:10:42] <ajfried22> try vivaldi or chromium, or send a screenshot of the text you see
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[06:18:04] <w30> Manj-813-Lxqt2, I think Crome is not open source and also has some binary blobs that only Googles knows. Thus the dangerous tag
[06:20:43] <w30> Manj-813-Lxqt2, do you trust Google? spyware or benevolent crawling?
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[06:22:25] <basil1xa> OK... I've followed the instructions on the Arch Wiki, and still can't get PHP to work.
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[06:23:35] <w30> /part
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[06:26:47] <basil1xa> nvm.
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[06:27:38] <Manj-813-Lxqt2> http://i.imgur.com/Qi0wOmT.jpg is the message about google-chrome. managed to complete install, so it's more for my own info now. for some reason the file dialogs on manjaro take 20 seconds to show any files now. :(
[06:27:38] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/ghnnVc] (not a web page, content type: image/jpeg)
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[06:30:03] <ajfried22> any aur package is considered potentially dangerous fyi
[06:30:55] <Manj-813-Lxqt2> any guesses why pacman -Syu zombified google-chrome?
[06:32:56] <ajfried22> it shouldnt because pacman doesnt update the aur
[06:33:11] <ajfried22> yaourt or packer or pacuar do
[06:33:29] <CountryfiedLinux> One of the things I love about Xfce is total mouse control. I have 3 of them and I can set all of them how I want.
[06:33:29] <Manj-813-Lxqt2> ok ty didn't know that
[06:33:57] <CountryfiedLinux> laptop touchpad, usb mouse, and wireless keyboard touchpad. All set to natural scrolling and speeds set how I want.
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[06:52:29] <CountryfiedLinux> Look what's free in Google Play. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.android_googleplay.FFBEWW I haven't played it yet. Installed it yesterday.
[06:52:30] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/oYbrXB] FINAL FANTASY BRAVE EXVIUS - Android-apps op Google Play
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[08:45:24] <JimmyJohnJunior> hello, anyone care to help me out with a problem i have with my bluetooth mouse?
[08:46:26] <Strit_Laptop> JimmyJohnJunior, we might be able to. We won't really know until we now the problem. :)
[08:46:37] <JimmyJohnJunior> yes ofc sry
[08:46:52] <JimmyJohnJunior> i have an mx master, laptop is inspiron 7559
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[08:47:09] <JimmyJohnJunior> i use it through laptop\s bluetooth
[08:47:40] <JimmyJohnJunior> i installed 16.06 and after not using the mouse for say, 20 sec
[08:47:55] <JimmyJohnJunior> the mouse wont respond immediatly when moving it
[08:48:15] <JimmyJohnJunior> it will take 0.5s to respond, then everything is ok, until i leave it again for 20sec~
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[08:50:20] <JimmyJohnJunior> i was using 16.06 RC3 without any problems until i tried gnome 16.06.1 community
[08:52:25] <Strit_Laptop> Well, mine also goes into "sleep mode" when not being used for some time. Not sure why. Could be TLP doing it though?
[08:53:27] <JimmyJohnJunior> the thing is in my desktop it doesnt do that
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[08:54:13] <Strit_Laptop> As said, could be TLP doing it. Is the laptop running on battery when it does it?
[08:54:43] <JimmyJohnJunior> it happens even when the power is connected
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[08:56:24] <Strit_Laptop> TLP might still be active. I haven't digged much into it, but I think TLP controls some USB and Bluetooth connectivity when installed and activated.
[08:56:39] <Strit_Laptop> You can try removing tlp, reboot and see if the issue is still there.
[08:57:09] <JimmyJohnJunior> i think you're right ill try find a way to config it to leave bluetooth alone
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[12:38:51] <X11> Hi all, can't seem to get X11 forwarding to work properly
[12:38:53] <X11> read the wiki
[12:39:13] <X11> ssh -x'ing from the local to the local
[12:39:32] <peetaur2> try with -X instead of -x
[12:39:40] <peetaur2> and make sure the server has it enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[12:39:51] <X11> changed the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file as in the wiki
[12:39:54] <X11> sorry, i do use -X
[12:40:26] <peetaur2> ok and restarted sshd since config change?
[12:40:32] <X11> also, i have to manually start the service with systemctl otherwise it isn't starting on boot
[12:40:33] <X11> yea
[12:40:41] <X11> restarted the complete machine as well
[12:40:44] <X11> just to check
[12:41:12] <peetaur2> and ni what way does it fail?
[12:41:31] <X11> ssh: connect to host reach port 22: Connection refused
[12:41:39] <X11> that's before i start the dameon
[12:41:45] <X11> once i do and ssh -X, i get
[12:42:05] <X11> X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
[12:42:10] <peetaur2> ok well connection refused is not because of X forwarding
[12:42:26] <peetaur2> er ok so you know about that then
[12:42:37] <peetaur2> and that sounds like the server didn't allow I guess
[12:42:43] <peetaur2> so what is the setting you added in sshd_config?
[12:42:55] <peetaur2> did you set the config on server or client? you have to set it on the server
[12:42:59] <X11> from the wiki
[12:43:05] <X11> yea, same machine anyway
[12:43:10] <X11> im both client and server
[12:43:29] <peetaur2> and you set X11Forwarding yes and made sure there are no other X11Forwarding lines?
[12:43:37] <X11> yhep
[12:43:39] <X11> can double check
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[12:46:15] <X11> peetaur2: http://pastebin.com/raw/nEN6Ejuv
[12:46:15] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/qOiU7c] (not a web page, content type: text/plain)
[12:49:49] <peetaur2> X11: ;)
[12:50:01] <peetaur2> X11: you have edited a comment, changing the "no" to "yes" ... but you also have to uncomment it
[12:50:19] <X11> peetaur2: jesus christ, of course. completely missed the comment
[12:50:29] <X11> peetaur2: lol, cheers
[12:50:48] <X11> peetaur2: should everything be uncommented? It seems the entire file is commented out
[12:51:34] <peetaur2> X11: no, just uncomment what you changed.
[12:51:48] <peetaur2> the rest there is just like documentation that says the defaults, and you can edit it easily without also opening the manual
[12:51:59] <peetaur2> easily if you remember to uncomment the line ;)
[12:53:57] <X11> yea, cheers, its the silliest things sometimes
[12:54:10] <X11> also, any idea why the daemon is not starting on boot?
[12:54:32] <peetaur2> X11: on desktops, it's normal that you install ssh (the client too) and not enable the daemon.
[12:54:35] <peetaur2> so you have to enable it
[12:54:53] <peetaur2> so just do it like you start, but say enable, then start too
[12:54:58] <peetaur2> and enable means start on future boots
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[12:58:40] <X11> peetaur2: thanks for taking the time to help mate
[12:58:52] <X11> peetaur2: going to reboot and check if all is A okay
[12:58:56] <X11> peetaur2: thanks again
[12:59:06] <peetaur2> no prob
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[13:31:45] <mckittrick> hi there
[13:32:29] <Strit_Laptop> hello
[13:35:12] <mckittrick> how are you?
[13:36:46] <Strit_Laptop> great. you?
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[13:40:43] <mckittrick> i am ok
[13:41:04] <mckittrick> i am not sure which linux distro to choose for usb thumb drive
[13:41:16] <Strit_Laptop> Go with Manjaro. :)
[13:41:28] <mckittrick> i was thinking about antix
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[14:36:05] <elliot007> Hey anybody knows a good video editor for linux
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[14:37:15] <peetaur2> elliot007: kdenlive is powerful but maybe hard to use
[14:37:45] <elliot007> well kdenlive is not opening on my machine
[14:37:53] <elliot007> ^^peetaur2
[14:38:04] <peetaur2> run it on CLI to see the errors
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[14:39:13] <Strit_Laptop> kdenlive is probably the best. Alternatives include PiTiVi, OpenShot and Avidemux.
[14:40:06] <elliot007> here's the output on cli
[14:40:08] <elliot007> http://hastebin.com/oboxuhujip.erl
[14:40:09] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/0vjGWI] hastebin
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[14:41:24] <peetaur2> elliot007: my guess is pulseaudio crashed
[14:41:41] <peetaur2> maybe try disabling sound to test that theory
[14:43:07] <elliot007> peetaour2: how to do that
[14:43:48] <peetaur2> well I looked and can't figure out how to run without sound
[14:43:59] <peetaur2> and my system uses alsa, not pulse
[14:44:11] <peetaur2> so try asking in #kde ... I'll join you there
[14:44:29] <elliot007> okay
[14:44:37] <peetaur2> hmm there's also #kdenlive
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[14:45:13] <peetaur2> paste your hastebin link there too
[14:45:17] <elliot007> okay i'll join there
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[14:52:41] <elliot007> no one is replying
[14:53:57] <peetaur2> well, in KDE you didn't paste your link
[14:54:06] <peetaur2> also it helps to summarize what it says so they don't have to click if too lazy..
[14:54:22] <peetaur2> like say it mentions pulsecore/fdsem.c:199 so it looks like pulseaudio
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[14:55:56] <elliot007> oh well i don't know much about pulse and alsa also i didn't got what the error is about so
[14:57:55] <peetaur2> yeah the message is very vague
[14:58:30] <peetaur2> it's like it crashes without any error at all, then launches drkonqi whatever that is, and then somehow that fails too with pulse stuff which makes no sense...why do you need sound to handle a crash?
[14:59:29] <elliot007> hey i removed ~/.config/kdenliverc and it worked
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[15:00:12] <peetaur2> haha nice
[15:00:26] <peetaur2> what made you think of that? And did you already use kdenlive in the past so it made a file long ago?
[15:01:00] <elliot007> yeah actually first time when i installed manjaro kde i tried it once or twice but not much
[15:01:37] <elliot007> i pasted the exact error and in a forum a guy did that but it didn't helped him so i tried it and it worked lol
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[17:09:25] <Tarquin> Hi everyone
[17:10:04] <mtn> everyone says "hi"
[17:11:25] <Tarquin> jejeje
[17:14:31] <ajfried22> hey
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[17:14:42] <PMunch> Hi
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[17:32:44] <hitcoder> Hello, why can I no longer install Kernel headers for 4.4.11????
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[17:33:01] <hitcoder> I need them for my wifi adapter's drivers to be able to be built
[17:34:53] <hitcoder> OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH 174 PEOPLE FOR YOUR HELP
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[17:35:06] <mtn> haha
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[17:35:20] <mtn> Another satisfied customer! NEXT!
[17:35:39] <mtn> waited a whole two minutes!
[17:35:39] <ajfried22> try 4.6
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[17:36:53] <manots> lol
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[17:52:42] <peaveyman> Impatient much?
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[18:11:05] <LoveMHz> Trying to use a Xbox One controller under Wine, xinput I believe. Any ideas?
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[18:25:00] <hongliangsam> 【question】
[18:25:01] <hongliangsam> How to solve tearing problem in KDE?
[18:25:07] <hongliangsam> HI,everyone.i am a newbabi using manjaro,its good!But i found tearing,its bad,distro such as ubuntu didnt have tearing.
[18:25:07] <hongliangsam> From Manjaro WIKI,we know that we could use Compton for a tear-free experience in Xfce.I tried KDE&Manjaro twice time and see tearing problem when i scroll in firefox or wacting video using VLC.tearing also appear when i drag window quickly.
[18:25:07] <hongliangsam> Could anyone tell me what to do to solve this tearing problem in KDE?thanks&regards
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[18:26:29] <ajfried22> drivers
[18:27:12] <hongliangsam> ajfried22, mine is i5-4200U&GT 750m,using bumblebee
[18:27:58] <hongliangsam> Card-1: Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller
[18:27:58] <hongliangsam> Card-2: NVIDIA GK107M [GeForce GT 750M]
[18:27:58] <hongliangsam> Display Server: X.Org 1.17.4 driver: intel Resolution: 1366x768 at 60 dot 01hz
[18:27:58] <hongliangsam> GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.2
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[18:31:37] <LoveMHz> Optimus issue possible?
[18:32:17] <LoveMHz> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA_Optimus#Tearing.2FBroken_VSync
[18:32:18] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/i4cnUI] NVIDIA Optimus - ArchWiki
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[18:32:51] <hongliangsam> but i had use bumblee and usually use intel to run software
[18:33:58] <LoveMHz> no idea. dealt with it 6 months ago and gave up. end up sending way too much for a laptop without the Optimus technology
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[18:42:34] <jimmyjohnjunnior> Hello, if you could lend me a hand that'd be great i have a problem with artifacting. I use gnome community edition 16.06.1 with catalyst(270x). Every time auto login is enabled I get artifacts after gnome is done loading but if I log in properly everything is ok? Anyone knows how to retain the autologin and remove the artifacts ?
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[19:23:43] <b0ney> hey guys
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[19:25:24] <b0ney> I have installed the recent manjaro xfce version on my laptop. Everything went fine so far besides my touchpad. I can't use tap to click even on kernel 4.6. Where do I find the config regarding my touchpad?
[19:26:03] <Lowl3v3l> b0ney, if you use the xserver and not some crazy wayland stuff you might look up the synaptics-driver
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[19:27:06] <b0ney> ah ok, so should the config file lie at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/?
[19:27:14] <b0ney> because there is no touchpad config
[19:27:46] <b0ney> so I have to create a new one. With which number should this config have to start?
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[19:27:59] <Lowl3v3l> b0ney, dunno how manjaro specifically handles it, but i am not awayre of any commonly used touchpad that doesn't work with synaptics
[19:28:52] <b0ney> ok, thank you! I will try to create a config and hope that synaptics will recognize it ;)
[19:28:54] <tyoon> hi. I just installed Manjaro using old installer with LUKS encrypted /home, however when booting splash just infinitely shows and no prompt to decrypt partition.
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[19:29:57] <Lowl3v3l> tyoon, try booting without "quiet splash"
[19:30:19] <tyoon> I got it ask it in boot message screen by adding disk to /etc/crypttab but there are two texts and when i type something some characters I input are not detected, as if boot messages override them
[19:30:23] <Lowl3v3l> tyoon, then you may see some useful output.
[19:30:28] <tyoon> if i type slowly it works and i get to login screen
[19:31:08] <tyoon> is there a way to put decrypt to graphical mode somehow, instead of that boot screen? it's only my home dir
[19:31:40] <Lowl3v3l> tyoon, again : try booting without plymouth so the log will likely show you what goes wrong.
[19:32:09] <tyoon> Lowl3v3l: I already did remove quiet splash that but it doesn't show errors
[19:32:13] <tyoon> or do you mean something else?
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[19:32:56] <Lowl3v3l> no i meant specifically that. okay so for the debugging : can you mount and decrypt the luks partition using some livedvd?
[19:33:04] <tyoon> yes i can
[19:33:36] <tyoon> I'm also succesfully booted to the system right now. Inputting password just needs to be done really slowly or input gets 'eaten'
[19:34:19] <Lowl3v3l> this sounds somewhat broken, do you use any really special form of keyboard?
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[19:34:46] <tyoon> Logitech K360
[19:35:41] <Lowl3v3l> k so no cryptical shit. Sry can't help you on that, dunno about manjaros standard stuff
[19:37:06] <tyoon> np, I'm not too familiar with it yet too
[19:38:05] <Lowl3v3l> tyoon, but thats a good argument for my stance on installers :D
[19:38:17] <tyoon> :D
[19:38:27] <Lowl3v3l> i deeply distrust installers... all of them.
[19:38:40] <tyoon> installers always work until it comes to partitioning
[19:38:47] <tyoon> then it mystically explodes when you change anything
[19:39:25] <Lowl3v3l> or when they for no reason dont do sth that is clearly possible
[19:39:40] <Lowl3v3l> exercise : get manjaros installer to do a lvm-only-installation with grub^^
[19:39:51] <tyoon> oh
[19:39:54] <tyoon> found some error
[19:39:55] <Lowl3v3l> and do not rip your hair out in the process^^
[19:40:05] <Lowl3v3l> what kind of error?
[19:40:40] <tyoon> https://dpaste.de/ijCG
[19:40:41] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/wqNavL] dpaste.de: Snippet #370471
[19:40:55] <tyoon> Failed to start Cryptography Setup for home.
[19:41:17] <tyoon> journalctl /usr/lib/systemd/systemd -b
[19:41:20] <Lowl3v3l> this sounds like it COULD be the reason for your problem^^
[19:41:23] <tyoon> :D
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[20:59:55] <renatosilva> hi, just found about this, out of curiosity what happened for forking arch?
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[21:03:36] <renatosilva> a pity that your pacman gui is gpl3 though, blocks porting to windows
[21:05:53] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, uhm what is your first question? i dont quite understand it
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[21:09:19] <renatosilva> hmm, looks like you wanted to implement "core updates" as well https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1brgt7
[21:09:21] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/x5TgKP] (link was unresponsive: https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1brgt7)
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[21:11:09] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, well like nearly every fork manjaro got quite a few changes, a different release model, patched packages, installers , preconfigurations... in general a whole different approach than arch's "everything as vanilla as possible"
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[21:41:03] <Strit_Laptop> renatosilva, and why would you want to port Pamac to Windows? It only works with pacman.
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[21:41:57] <renatosilva> we have pacman on windows
[21:42:21] <Strit_Laptop> renatosilva, really, how does that work with windows software? link?
[21:42:50] <renatosilva> cygwin layer
[21:43:24] <Strit_Laptop> I would never use anything designed for linux on a windows box.
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[21:44:02] <Strit_Laptop> So pacman on windows can update the windows system? Else it has no use on windows.
[21:48:26] <Lowl3v3l> well in theory pacman should be able to run on cygwin... well i doubt this is clever, but it should be possible xD
[21:49:56] <renatosilva> pacman is used by the msys2 project, http://sf.net/p/msys2
[21:49:59] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/3ucjgI] (link was unresponsive: http://sf.net/p/msys2)
[21:51:18] <Lowl3v3l> wow they found a way to make msys even less sensible
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[21:51:42] <renatosilva> the name is misleading
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[21:52:15] <Lowl3v3l> if it is "a rewrite of msys" its a mistake in the first place, like msys was xD
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[21:53:38] <renatosilva> not sure what you mean with sensible
[21:54:01] <Lowl3v3l> okay s/sensible/reasonable
[21:54:15] <VoidFox> i always use ninite when I've got to set up a windows.. far easier to deal with for casual users as something like pacman
[21:54:48] <renatosilva> so what do you mean with msys2 is "less reasonbale"
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[21:55:41] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, nope, i mean msys was a mistake in the first place and so is msys2. but porting pacman to windows on top of that is just... wow. I mean its a nice proof of concept and all, but nothing more.
[21:55:43] <renatosilva> VoidFox: pacman manages msys2, not windows, although I like the idea
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[21:58:14] <renatosilva> Lowl3v3l: really not sure what you mean with "mistake", but gtk+, git and many people are using msys2
[21:58:33] <VoidFox> haven't heard of msys2 yet, but choco is another "package manager" running in windows..
[21:58:59] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, yeah well , even more people use windows and its shitty too :D
[21:59:16] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, just because it is widely used doesn't mean its a good idea^^
[21:59:58] <VoidFox> better to install a full linux in a vm (or better yet.. win in the vm) instead of using those half-backed emulations imo
[22:00:01] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, i am one of those crazy people that dont want to rely on unstable crude compatibility layers built because tools that were just not made for windows need them^^
[22:00:19] <renatosilva> VoidFox: msys2 is more a development environment than runtime, and focused on open source projects built from source
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[22:01:27] <renatosilva> VoidFox: but yes, package manager for windows itself would be very nice, I was taking a look at chocolatey today and it still is cli-oriented
[22:02:18] <renatosilva> VoidFox: also tried ninite but did not make any sense to me, using filehippo updater for now
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[22:03:04] <renatosilva> Lowl3v3l: proof of concept? no, it runs and works nicely
[22:03:43] <Lowl3v3l> renatosilva, there is a big difference between "working" and "not exploding loud enough for you to notice it".
[22:04:06] <Lowl3v3l> philosophy question : is there a bug if nobody notices it? xD
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[22:12:39] <VoidFox> oh oh i know i know... its a feature!
[22:13:05] <ajfried22> ^
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[23:51:55] <hardlin3r> hello, guys! I cannot change shell, i wrote `chsh -s path-to-shell` it told me that 'Shell is changed'. but when i restart shell - bash again
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[23:53:12] <mtn> hardlin3r: did you look at the arch wiki to find an answer?
[23:53:21] <hardlin3r> yes
[23:53:38] <hardlin3r> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Command-line_shell
[23:53:38] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/RxnZ2b] Command-line shell - ArchWiki
[23:54:39] <mtn> hardlin3r: did you log out before testing?
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[23:54:46] <hardlin3r> mtn, no
[23:54:59] <mtn> hardlin3r: the link you gave me said to do that first ;)
[23:55:15] <mtn> hardlin3r: "If you now log out and log in again, you will be greeted by the other shell. "
[23:55:35] <hardlin3r> mtn, thank you very much!)
[23:55:55] <mtn> hardlin3r: yw
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