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[00:13:56] <ArifNoumanKhan> hi
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[00:28:14] <manjaroCinnamon1> Client: HexChat 2.12.1 • OS: ManjaroLinux "Daniella" 16.06.1 • CPU: AMD A4-5000 APU with Radeon(TM) HD Graphics (950MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.2 GiB Total (2.1 GiB Free) Swap: 7.0 GiB Total (7.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 12.2 GB / 124.4 GB (112.2 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini [Radeon HD 8330] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Roo
[00:28:14] <manjaroCinnamon1> t Complex • Uptime: 1h 28m 6s
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[00:53:30] <torei> Evening everyone
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[01:07:45] <day|flip> how everyone doing this Friday?
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[01:15:20] <linux-user-rn> Is there a pacman flag to remove all the configuration of a program including the configuration in the home derictory?
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[01:24:10] <day|flip> linux-user-rn, not really. home config are for the user. You can reset most of my default by deleting them. Once you log back in or used that app again. I look in the home. if it not there. It will add it default config there
[01:24:29] <day|flip> it will look***
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[02:28:29] <Manj-1603-Lxqt> oi
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[02:30:58] <day|flip> Manj-1603-Lxqt, hello
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[03:24:13] <ben_chile> hello guys
[03:24:41] <work> ben_chile: Hello...
[03:25:03] <ben_chile> has anyone been having trouble with youtube-dl in manjaro 16.06
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[03:25:20] <ben_chile> hello work
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[03:40:17] <day|flip> ben_chile, if your still having issue. I for one will used youtube-dl-git from the aur. downloading a bigger file. But it work will
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[03:54:28] <Ntemis> hey guys
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[03:59:34] <ben_chile> thanks day flip
[03:59:42] <ben_chile> bye guys
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[07:25:38] <Wildfyr> !aur cower
[07:25:38] <FatalException> cower - A simple AUR agent with a pretentious name -- version 16-1 - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/cower
[07:25:43] <Wildfyr> !fix
[07:25:54] <Wildfyr> !fix cower/pacaur
[07:26:16] <Wildfyr> oh, yea that was a FatalTest func i believe
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[07:50:38] <Guest7834> first time using an IRC client O.o
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[07:51:38] <Guest7834> so.......
[07:51:42] <Guest7834> um?
[07:52:26] <Wildfyr> Sup
[07:52:38] <Guest7834> oh..hi..what is this?
[07:53:20] <Wildfyr> This is we chatting
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[10:45:42] <markc> hi folks, just testing a first install from vbox, very impressed so far :)
[10:55:40] <zero-ghost> what edition?
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[11:27:20] <hongliangsam> hello,there is a question:when i open qtox in terminal ,it says qtox: error while loading shared libraries: libsodium.so.17: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director
[11:27:32] <hongliangsam> could anybody tell me whats the problem?
[11:27:40] <hongliangsam> thanks
[11:29:32] <Lowl3v3l> hongliangsam, obviously the fact that libsodium isnt present on your system or not in the library search path
[11:29:38] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: the problem is that it can't load said lib, try re-installing
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[11:31:38] <hongliangsam> i try to re-installing it,but its the same problem
[11:32:14] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: try sudo find / | grep 'libsodium.so'
[11:33:04] <hongliangsam> back is :/usr/lib/libsodium.so.18
[11:33:04] <hongliangsam> find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’
[11:33:58] <Wildfyr> great, so there is no such file 'libsodium.so.17' in ur system
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[11:37:55] <hongliangsam> :/
[11:38:15] <hongliangsam> Wildfyr, anyway,thanks your help
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[11:40:12] <markc> FWIW https://wiki.manjaro.org expired on the 10th May
[11:40:13] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/vPbjlO] (link was unresponsive: https://wiki.manjaro.org)
[11:40:57] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: i really didn't help. just confirmed that the file was not in the wrong place
[11:41:26] <hongliangsam> i got that software in openSUSE-OBS
[11:41:38] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: openSuse?
[11:41:47] <hongliangsam> name:qtox,in order to let me input chinese in qtox
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[11:41:53] <hongliangsam> its OBS
[11:42:08] <hongliangsam> has pkg software
[11:42:28] <hongliangsam> https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/home:antonbatenev:tox/qtox?arch=x86_64&filename=qtox-201607011816%7E9694d6b-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz&repository=Arch_Extra
[11:42:28] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/317fcE] (link was unresponsive: https://build.opensuse.org/package/binary/home:antonbatenev:tox/qtox?arch=x86_64&filename=qtox-201607011816%7E9694d6b-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz&repository=Arch_Extra)
[11:42:38] <Wildfyr> oh
[11:43:00] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: why not use pacman, do a sudo pacman -S qtox
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[11:43:30] <hongliangsam> qtox installed from comunity cant input chinese
[11:43:52] <hongliangsam> and qtox from openSUSE may could
[11:43:58] <hongliangsam> someone told me
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[11:45:48] <Wildfyr> hongliangsam: why don't u try the community?
[11:45:52] <Wildfyr> there is no harm
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[11:47:08] <hongliangsam> :/
[11:47:58] <hongliangsam> i tried the community,it cant input chinese
[11:48:11] <Wildfyr> great
[11:50:33] <hongliangsam> i thought it could run in arch,just like the problem QT5.6 and QT5.7
[11:51:02] <hongliangsam> some software updated to QT5.7,it works in ARCH,but not in Manjaro
[11:51:22] <hongliangsam> because Manjaro still in QT5.6.1
[11:51:44] <Esclapion> yes, same here
[11:52:13] <Esclapion> i think it's due to kde problems
[11:52:32] <Esclapion> ...with 5.7
[11:53:24] <Esclapion> qbittorrent is compiled for 5.7 and don't work. I took the AUR version
[11:53:39] <hongliangsam> do u know which time manjaro would update to QT5,7?
[11:53:57] <Esclapion> nope, i wait
[11:54:13] <hongliangsam> we could just wait :)
[11:55:03] <Lowl3v3l> hongliangsam, manjaro stable is, i think unstable or even testing could have 5.7
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[11:56:02] <hongliangsam> tearing of manjaro&xfce could be fixed with Coptom,how to fixed it in KDE?
[11:56:18] <hongliangsam> anyone know that ?please tell me,thanks
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[11:59:27] <Esclapion> i look now, qt5.7 is already in testing. Will come with the next update, this week-end probably
[12:00:41] <Lowl3v3l> Esclapion, or you just switch to testing or unstable RIGHT NOW^^
[12:01:50] <Esclapion> yes, for the try, but only the mirrors
[12:02:43] <Lowl3v3l> Esclapion, why do you not use testing?
[12:03:05] <Esclapion> because I prefer stable ;)
[12:04:47] <Esclapion> when lxqt 0.11 will be released, i will do an iso stable
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[12:06:04] <hongliangsam> Esclapion, Lowl3v3l ,u2 have a tearing problem?
[12:06:40] <Esclapion> not with my 970. anyway, i use compton
[12:06:44] <Lowl3v3l> hongliangsam, it is pointless to ask random people, if someone knew an answer he'd have told you
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[12:07:35] <hongliangsam> Esclapion, u use which desktop?
[12:07:49] <hongliangsam> Lowl3v3l, ok,thanks
[12:08:34] <Esclapion> lxqt
[12:09:16] <xspeed> hey guys
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[12:09:49] <hongliangsam> Lxqt is a great lightweigh desktop but its not release now
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[12:10:20] <Esclapion> manjaro also not, it's in beta
[12:10:53] <Esclapion> for the moment we have lxqt 0.10, but in few days 0.11 will be released
[12:11:42] <hongliangsam> what differents did u feel between lxqt&lxde?
[12:11:45] <Esclapion> i will do an iso for my self
[12:11:57] <mantra__> lxqt is more visually appealing
[12:11:58] <Esclapion> lxde is gtk, lxqt is qt
[12:12:01] <mantra__> ootb
[12:13:03] <Esclapion> the team lxde has done the porting of lxde to qt5, more than one year ago
[12:13:22] <Esclapion> no more dévs on lxde now
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[12:16:39] <Esclapion> https://github.com/manjaro/release-plan/issues/73#issuecomment-230034136
[12:16:42] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/RFBnMj] Fix the regression that QT 5.7.0 doesn't support GTK3 theming · Issue #73 · manjaro/release-plan · GitHub
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[12:50:27] <driven4ward> knock, knock
[12:51:39] <driven4ward> anyone there?
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[12:52:57] <aombk> i am trying to run a windows program using wine. i had to winetricks gdiplus because i got corrupted graphics. i now get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/UxwM8hvD
[12:52:58] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/FLZK1h] wine - Pastebin.com
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[12:55:07] <Esclapion> i read warnings, no errors
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[12:55:45] <aombk> that fixme at the top?
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[12:57:39] <driven4ward> i am using the xfce edition... and some reason by wifi wont connect until i login... dont have this issue with net edition
[12:57:47] <driven4ward> anyone else have this issue?
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[12:58:53] <real_gamer> Hi
[12:59:04] <real_gamer> I need some help
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[13:00:32] <real_gamer> My docky is not working
[13:00:41] <driven4ward> docky?
[13:00:43] <real_gamer> How do I make it work
[13:00:57] <real_gamer> In Mandarin xfce
[13:01:51] <real_gamer> Mandarin
[13:01:51] <real_gamer> Theme / environment
[13:02:45] <real_gamer> And my steam us also not working
[13:03:03] <driven4ward> steam... did you philm's fix?
[13:03:06] <real_gamer> Glx ext. Not supported by display
[13:03:09] <driven4ward> there is a known issue
[13:03:51] <real_gamer> Glx info is an error now lol
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[13:09:25] <real_gamer> Sry...
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[13:29:45] <tr011> hi
[13:30:07] <tr011> hi
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[13:46:23] <VoidFox> heya.. how do i report a package in the stable repos?
[13:46:29] <VoidFox> mailing list?
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[14:01:50] <tr011> fhtrjyfgık
[14:01:51] <tr011> ıup
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[14:28:45] <tr011> hi
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[15:04:07] <manjaro-kde5> Hi!
[15:04:45] <manjaro-kde5> does anybody know how to set dolphin to mark a file/folder with left click instead of direct opening?
[15:05:17] <manjaro-web|6837> hi, i'm new user to manjaro. this is my first day trying manjaro
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[15:21:16] <d42> manjaro-kde5: systemsettings -> mouse
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[15:50:03] <manjaro-kde5> d42: Thank you very much! That really bugged me! I thought it was a Dolphin setting and looking in the wrong place...
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[15:50:53] <d42> manjaro-kde5: some time ago, while konqueror was popular as a file browser this setting there made more sense :v
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[16:21:41] <cybergnomer> The new forum page is ugly and confusing
[16:21:58] <cybergnomer> Where are the posts just for Xfce for example?
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[16:24:52] <harsha> hi. I am trying to install manjaro 16.1 when I boot the live disk I am getting "graphics initialization failed" "Error setting up gfxboot" and few mins later I get Could not allocate memory
[16:25:01] <harsha> any ideas on how to get past this. Thanks
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[16:28:54] <cybergnomer> harsha: did you change the boot order in the BIOS or simply tried to temporarily boot from the USB?
[16:29:59] <lixa> hi does anyone have a useful Zoom application. Using xzoom atm
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[16:31:50] <harsha> @cybergnomer this on a chromebook pixel 2 just booting from usb
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[16:39:14] <lixa> someone over @ ##linux helped out. Zoom prog 'kmag' works good .
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[17:20:10] <VoidFox> how to report a bad package in the stable repo?
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[17:23:34] <badbodh> why is it bad ? what package ? <--- say it all in forum
[17:26:37] <Strit_Laptop> what pacakeg is bad? You sure it's not something else?
[17:28:01] <VoidFox> irc bot called sopel.. wants to run as user "sopel" which doesnt get configured
[17:28:40] <VoidFox> broke systemd-tmpfiles-setup somehow
[17:29:01] <Strit_Laptop> That's not a package problem, that's an upstream problem. Contact the developer on thier own bug tracker
[17:31:28] <VoidFox> still think it doesn't belong in stable
[17:31:53] <VoidFox> the whole bot is the very definition of unstable
[17:32:02] <Strit_Laptop> Ofcourse it does not. But no one in Testing and Unstable has caught it.
[17:33:57] <VoidFox> well i consider my duty done.. too lazy to browse the forum or the mailing list ^^
[17:36:10] <VoidFox> is it ok to write something like this to the mailing list? never worked with them
[17:36:28] <VoidFox> but seems like a good place to reach someone responsible
[17:36:57] <Strit_Laptop> It's probably not even a Manjaro package, so the package maintainer would be in Arch Linux.
[17:37:09] <VoidFox> manjaro stable repo
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[17:37:54] <VoidFox> else i wouldnt nag xP
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[17:40:05] <Strit_Laptop> I know, but it's not a manjaro specific page, which means it's one Manjaro synced from the Arch repo's.7
[17:40:20] <Strit_Laptop> s/page/package
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[17:40:55] <VoidFox> sry misunderstood.. y could be
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[17:42:15] <Strit_Laptop> !pkg sopel | VoidFox
[17:42:16] <FatalException> I had no results for that query.
[17:42:22] <Strit_Laptop> !pkg sopel
[17:42:23] <FatalException> sopel - An easy-to-use and highly extensible IRC Bot framework (Formerly Willie) -- version 6.3.1-1 - https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/sopel
[17:42:32] <Strit_Laptop> yep, arch package. :)
[17:43:18] <Strit_Laptop> away for a bit
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[17:45:21] <VoidFox> haha "Felix Yan" maintains 3252 packages... no wonder
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[17:55:14] <Guest88566> hi i wanna use gtk-youtube-viewer but i get this message "Can't locate Gtk2.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Gtk2 module) (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/share/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/core_perl /usr/share/perl5/core_perl .) at /usr/bin/vendor_perl/gtk-youtube-viewer line 36.
[17:55:14] <Guest88566> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/vendor_perl/gtk-youtube-viewer line 36" what should i do to fix this problem plz ty
[17:56:42] <Guest88566> pacman -Ss gtk 2 module
[17:56:42] <Guest88566> extra/at-spi2-atk 2.20.1-2 [installé]
[17:56:42] <Guest88566> A GTK+ module that bridges ATK to D-Bus at-spi
[17:56:42] <Guest88566> community/fcitx-gtk2 4.2.9.1-2 (fcitx-im)
[17:56:42] <Guest88566> GTK2 IM Module for fcitx
[17:56:43] <Guest88566> community/mate-desktop 1.14.1-1 (mate)
[17:56:47] <Guest88566> Library with common API for various MATE modules (GTK2 version)
[17:56:49] <Guest88566> community/perl-gtk2-sexy 0.05-11
[17:56:51] <Guest88566> Perl/CPAN Module Gtk2::Sexy
[17:56:53] <Guest88566> multilib/lib32-at-spi2-atk 2.20.1-1
[17:56:55] <Guest88566> A GTK+ module that bridges ATK to D-Bus at-spi
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[18:02:50] <elliot007> hey so i installed jwm version on another machine
[18:03:15] <elliot007> but i'm unable to figure out how to setup a hotspot
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[18:14:13] <elliot007> hey Dr_Ecstasy seems like you are on JWM
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[18:55:31] <JayJay_> hello! I am having some trouble with my manjaro install, that is more related towards getting my grub to work again after messing about with the manjaro partition. Is there someone who would be willing to help me out?
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[18:57:53] <mtn> JayJay_: explain what is wrong and what you have done. maybe someone can help
[18:58:05] <JayJay_> will do:
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[18:58:38] <JayJay_> So I recently added a Manjaro install to a second partition after my original Windows partition.
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[18:59:18] <JayJay_> in order to do that I scaled the windows partition down to make room. I only took little space from the windows partition, for some stupid reason.
[18:59:36] <hongliangsam> hey,do anyone use Infinality-Bundle to improve font Rendering?
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[18:59:55] <JayJay_> now I have gotten accustomed to the manjaro and mostly use it exclusively and the space was no longer sufficient, especially since I wanted to have a swap file for hibernation.
[19:00:31] <PimpSnooky> o/
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[19:00:37] <JayJay_> so in order to have more space I scaled down the windows partition some more, which left me with empty space between Windows partition and Manjaro partitio
[19:00:49] <JayJay_> both systems still booted after this
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[19:01:05] <JayJay_> but NOW I booted into manjaro install disk
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[19:01:33] <JayJay_> and used gparted to move / scale the manjaro partition (second one) so that it filled up the space between windows and manjaro
[19:02:17] <JayJay_> after this the only thing that happens is that it shows me "GRUB" on a black screen when i try to boot
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[19:03:01] <mtn> JayJay_: I think you need to repair/reinstall grub. here is a link you can follow. go down to where it talks about doing a chroot, with commands. http://www.cupoflinux.com/SBB/index.php?topic=3279.0
[19:03:03] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/Sy3jAN] [SOLVED] Manjaro Won't Boot (fixed with chroot)
[19:03:19] <PimpSnooky> buy anotha HD man
[19:03:22] <mtn> JayJay_: the command to repair is: sudo update-grub. that may be all you need to do
[19:03:27] <JayJay_> I had already feared that that might happen, so i was prepared to fix grub
[19:03:31] <JayJay_> ah ok
[19:03:32] <PimpSnooky> d
[19:03:35] <JayJay_> so I tried the reinstall
[19:03:39] <JayJay_> but it says it has no space
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[19:03:53] <mtn> JayJay_: reinstall what?
[19:03:59] <JayJay_> Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it.. grub-install: warning: Embedding is not possible. GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged.. grub-install: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[19:04:11] <JayJay_> that was the error when calling grub-install /dev/sdc
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[19:04:31] <mtn> JayJay_: I recommend you do a clean install of manjaro. just partition it the way you want it and reinstall
[19:04:49] <JayJay_> will that fix the windows boot as well_
[19:04:50] <JayJay_> ?
[19:04:59] <mtn> JayJay_: you still want windows?
[19:05:11] <PimpSnooky> hell no...
[19:05:11] <PimpSnooky> xD
[19:05:24] <JayJay_> yeah, for the odd game that wont do wine or needs dx11
[19:05:29] <JayJay_> dont need it often but from time to time
[19:05:50] <mtn> JayJay_: well, if you did not damage the windows install, then after installing manjaro, you will be able to boot windows, too
[19:06:02] <mtn> JayJay_: notice the big "if" it started with ;)
[19:06:18] <JayJay_> haha okay
[19:06:26] <JayJay_> damn it would be a pita to lose that install..
[19:06:38] <JayJay_> such is the price for reckless fiddling about
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[19:07:02] <mtn> JayJay_: you may be able to repair windows, if it has a problem, without reinstalling it
[19:07:25] * PimpSnooky first time in the channel ans using Manjaro.. :)
[19:07:26] <JayJay_> i did the grub update and will check if that has any effect. The thing I dont know is how exactly grub was installed in the first place
[19:07:31] <JayJay_> it is all kind of unclear
[19:08:45] <JayJay_> ok time to reboot. and check. Thanks for the advice.
[19:08:51] <JayJay_> cu
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[19:13:30] <sharpi> welcome
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[19:13:46] <sharpi> Is someone using Deepin edition here ?
[19:14:07] <PimpSnooky> me.
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[19:14:50] <sharpi> :) I'm using two monitors. Is it possible to set a second dock on second screen ?
[19:15:38] <Lowl3v3l> sharpi, possible? yeah, x-server permits this. though i am not sure on how difficult it is, never used deepin
[19:16:00] <PimpSnooky> wait..
[19:16:00] <Lowl3v3l> obscure bloatware :p
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[19:16:47] <PimpSnooky> sharpi: you use plank??
[19:16:52] <sharpi> well...I'm messing around desktop options and I can't find that settings :/
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[19:18:54] <sharpi> PimpSnooky: excuse me...what ? :)
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[19:24:21] <sharpi> ?
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[19:24:40] <mtn> sharpi: he left
[19:25:01] <sharpi> lol I didn't notice it ;P
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[19:40:22] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> hola
[19:40:26] <manjaro-kde5-> hi
[19:40:37] <manjaro-kde5-> do u speak english?
[19:40:53] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> so-so
[19:41:03] <manjaro-kde5-> do u want register my forum?
[19:41:15] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> where are you from?
[19:41:20] <manjaro-kde5-> i'm from turkey
[19:41:22] <manjaro-kde5-> u?
[19:41:33] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> Colombia
[19:41:39] <manjaro-kde5-> it's great
[19:41:44] <manjaro-kde5-> i like colomb
[19:41:47] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> yes
[19:41:58] <manjaro-kde5-> Do u want register my forum?
[19:42:01] <manjaro-kde5-> Hacking forum.
[19:42:18] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> no,
[19:42:24] *** manjaro-kde5- is now known as SpinkkZ
[19:42:28] <SpinkkZ> are u sure?
[19:42:36] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> its like your forum
[19:42:47] <SpinkkZ> http://trc-security.org/index.php
[19:42:49] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/489Ptu] TRC - Security
[19:43:16] <Lowl3v3l> Lukimya, shariebeth , Sanchal , vexare work for you^^
[19:43:50] <Manjaro-kde5-Lwr> ok
[19:44:00] <vexare> eh?
[19:44:24] <Lowl3v3l> vexare, i assumed joining to advertise some website is kind of your business^^
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[19:45:29] <vexare> oh i see
[19:45:46] <vexare> lol he quited
[19:46:16] <Lowl3v3l> yeah, usually just openly asking the ops for help works^^
[19:46:27] <shariebeth> I don't think he wanted help here.
[19:46:37] <shariebeth> He wanted us to go there.
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[19:55:12] <Lukimya> hello Lowl3v3l
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[20:05:02] <VoidFox> /save
[20:05:09] <VoidFox> sry
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[20:17:18] <shadowp> hi there
[20:17:33] <shadowp> any one installed manjaro on pi3 already ?
[20:18:21] <shadowp> what driver for xf86-input have you used ?
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[20:19:01] <Strit_Laptop> shadowp, manjaro-arm is for the rpi2/3.
[20:19:14] <NanoSector> too slow
[20:19:50] <Strit_Laptop> Yeah. 10 seconds to slow. Damnit!"
[20:19:56] <NanoSector> lol
[20:20:01] <NanoSector> talk about impatient users
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[20:21:08] <NanoSector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFBnhaXql24
[20:21:09] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/dm360I] Smash 4 - Luigi wins against every level nine CPU by doing absolutely nothing - YouTube
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[21:18:17] <BryzNSTY> Hey, If i want to connect to a VPN for internet browsing, should I do it through openvpn or through the KDE network manager?
[21:18:26] <BryzNSTY> (private internet access
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[21:22:54] <manjaro-kde5> does anyone know a plasma shortcut to swith between workspaces?
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[21:23:15] <manjaro-kde5> switch
[21:23:45] <d42> manjaro-kde5: ctrl+fsomething? :v
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[21:25:16] <manjaro-kde5> d42: *g*
[21:25:25] <manjaro-kde5> d42: good one! ;-)
[21:25:28] <d42> :v
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[21:26:20] <manjaro-kde5> d42: google is not really helpful
[21:26:56] <d42> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/applications/fundamentals/kbd.html
[21:26:57] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/gGsCGX] Common Keyboard Shortcuts
[21:27:03] <d42> i'd say it's pretty helpful :3
[21:27:05] <manjaro-kde5> d42: KDe is new to me, better than other linus DEs, but sometimes surprisingly hard to find out things about...
[21:27:19] <d42> but some of this stuff is indeed hard to find
[21:27:42] <manjaro-kde5> d42: thx a lot!
[21:28:01] <d42> i just googled 'kde switching between desktops', fyi :U
[21:29:18] <manjaro-kde5> d42: I cannot just let this go uncommented (undefended) ;-): I googled "plasma 5 shortcut switch workspace".
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[21:29:51] <manjaro-kde5> d42: apparently I am not as good at picking the right terms as you. Chapeau!
[21:30:02] <manjaro-kde5> d42: :-)
[21:30:08] <d42> i still get that page as a second result :v
[21:30:13] <d42> you have to shape your google bubble better
[21:30:16] <manjaro-kde5> d42: really appreciate the help!
[21:30:22] <d42> np
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[21:30:54] <manjaro-kde5> d42: yeah, I really need to embrace the big brother more. ;-)
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[21:31:21] <d42> if you find problems with something else kde related highlight me :v
[21:31:31] <manjaro-kde5> d42: But that is actually the reason why I chose to leave windows in the first place.. ;-)
[21:31:42] <manjaro-kde5> d42: I will!
[21:31:58] <d42> i've been fighting this thing since 2006 ,_,
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[21:33:11] <manjaro-kde5> Well, I actually think that Windows ios not a bad OS. I just get cannot stand the privacy issues.
[21:33:37] <manjaro-kde5> d42: ...in Win10
[21:34:00] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, do you have any experience in the field? you'd be the first one to say this that understands what he's talking about o.o
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[21:35:32] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: I do not pretend to really be knowledgable, but the little part that I understand is enough to give me the *** (insert appropriate English word here)!
[21:35:56] <Lowl3v3l> i am just amazed by this statement
[21:36:18] <manjaro-kde5> Although you have to give MS credit for being the first company (that I know of) to be very open with the spying-issue.
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[21:36:33] <Lowl3v3l> i mean its kind of similar to "the earth is flat"
[21:36:47] <d42> windows 10 does seems to do a lot more talking to the mothership than the previous versions ,_,
[21:36:49] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, they weren't.
[21:37:00] <Lowl3v3l> d42, it just does it more openly.
[21:37:12] <Lowl3v3l> d42, take a look at older statements in the eula...
[21:37:44] <manjaro-kde5> *g* Sorry, I am really not a very demagogic type in any way. I just cannot, in good conscience use Windows for more than gaming any more...
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[21:38:28] <Lowl3v3l> i cant even let anyone boot it anymore.
[21:38:47] <manjaro-kde5> I am aware that I do not know everything always. Just the amount of knowledge of win10 was sufficient to push me away.
[21:38:53] <Lowl3v3l> i mean i would be a crappy friend if i didnt prevent friends from booting windows.
[21:39:06] <manjaro-kde5> I fully side with that
[21:39:39] <d42> Lowl3v3l: eulas are usually pretty broad
[21:39:39] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, but obviously you dont find it as bad if you wont even stop playing some games for it ;)
[21:39:46] <manjaro-kde5> At least I really feel the need to share what I know and tell them that there are alternatives...
[21:40:08] <Lowl3v3l> d42, and they do not usually include statements like they will use all data if they are "of good faith" that they will be useful ;)
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[21:40:41] <manjaro-kde5> So far I am quite amazed and happy with the large amount of choice of Linux distros...
[21:41:26] <manjaro-kde5> That is one of the most bullshitty EULA-phrases ever!
[21:42:26] <Lowl3v3l> well skype is funny too
[21:42:40] <Lowl3v3l> essentially if you send SOMETHING via skype it belongs to microsoft afterwards
[21:42:51] <manjaro-kde5> I am torn between Manjaro and Linux mint KDE (when it will come out next month). I probably need a Plasma-environment, but I fear that I am not Linux-proficient enought to stick with Manjaro...
[21:43:06] <Lowl3v3l> e.g. if i sent sourcecode via skype then from then on i can't use it for my projects anymore bc it belongs to M$ :D
[21:43:32] <d42> manjaro seems pretty straightforward, imho
[21:43:45] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, how about you choose neither and learn maintaining a linux system instead of sourcing it out ?^^
[21:43:47] <manjaro-kde5> What do you guy think for a (non-IT) Desktop- user with a HiDPI-computer?
[21:44:11] <manjaro-kde5> That is exactly what I try to do at the moment!
[21:44:13] <d42> and the arch wiki might be often helpful
[21:44:21] <manjaro-kde5> it often is!
[21:44:24] <d42> and it is pretty good source of anything :v
[21:44:31] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, want tipps? then do it the hard way and drop manjaro and mint^^
[21:44:48] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, seriously, nothing is better to learn than doing it the hard way
[21:44:53] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: and choose what instead?
[21:45:09] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: which distro do you recomment?
[21:45:33] <d42> is it this moment when somebody is recommending installing gentoo
[21:45:36] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: I am really open to learn and choose at the moment!
[21:45:42] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, this is of little consequence. it is more about the way you do it, and sadly manjaro restricts you in that.
[21:46:05] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, my usual recommendation is setting up any distro that permits this without a installer.
[21:46:10] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: I guess, I know too little to understand what you mean
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[21:48:00] <Lowl3v3l> problem with manjaro to learn is : it has "to much" things preconfigured. Which is great if you just want to use it. But if you want to actually understand things it is more effective to force yourself to do things yourself. If you want to stick to manjaro a good first step would be changing to the unstable branch and try stripping your system down and configuring it to your liking^^ for example making certain
[21:48:00] <Lowl3v3l> only one gui-toolkit runs is a good first step
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[21:48:22] <Lowl3v3l> Manjaro hides many deeper magic from you^^
[21:48:33] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: but please understand that not everybody will have the time to really put months of work into learning linux. I have a job which takes about 60h a week. I am really willing to learn. A Little command line, but I will never be a IT-pro.
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[21:48:58] <Lowl3v3l> sure. And i just admitted manjaro is great for people that just want to use it^^
[21:49:15] <d42> stuff will break often enough for you to become pro :^)
[21:49:16] <Lowl3v3l> But learning anything takes dedication. And either you want to do it enough or you dont.
[21:49:33] <BryzNSTY> Hm, I tried installing i3 and selecting it from my login manager - but it just showed the bottom bar and hung after I slected "make a new config file"
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[21:49:50] <BryzNSTY> do I need to install anything other than i3 for it to work?
[21:50:04] <Lowl3v3l> BryzNSTY, try restarting it inplace by sth like $mod+Shift+R?
[21:50:30] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: as far as I understand the Manjaro experience includes breakages after updates which require hours of Arch-WIKI-research after the fact. This is something which I actually enjoy but not always have the time to do.
[21:50:51] <BryzNSTY> I couldnt use any hotkeys - it just showed the KDE login splash screen and the i3 bottom bar Lowl3v3l
[21:50:54] <Lowl3v3l> BryzNSTY, the usual set of stuff you need for i3 is : i3-wm, i3lock, i3status and some kind of terminal emulator for x ( rxvt-unicode is the standard, but nearly all other terminal emulators work without a hazzle too)
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[21:52:09] <Lowl3v3l> BryzNSTY, go into a terminal and paste your ~/.config/i3/config please so i may have a look at it^^
[21:52:51] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: I really want a working computer and I am wiling to put in some extra hours to not sign off my privacy to some company, but I am realistic enough to know that I cannot become a IT pro to achieve that goal.
[21:53:14] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, usually if you update without checking for the safety of the updates first. And somehow i manage without any crashes that are my fault since ages on all kinds of systems. And the general rule of thumb is : need the system the same day for sth important? Dont update.
[21:53:27] <BryzNSTY> Lowl3v3l: "No such file or directory" - I dont think it created one
[21:54:09] <d42> manjaro-kde5: there's often someone around capable of explaining what did just break and how you might fix it
[21:54:29] <Lowl3v3l> BryzNSTY, then this is the problem i suppose. just use the i3 config file from here : https://github.com/Airblader/dotfiles-manjaro for now so you can configure it from there^^
[21:54:31] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/pETp5j] GitHub - Airblader/dotfiles-manjaro: Dotfiles for Manjaro
[21:54:45] <d42> my issue with ubuntu related things is that in my experience it seems less likely :v
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[21:55:06] <BryzNSTY> Lowl3v3l: thanks - i tired reinstalling and im going to reboot one more time first
[21:55:32] <Lowl3v3l> BryzNSTY, reinstalling is usually not required though sometimes faster^^
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[21:56:52] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: These are my thought exactly. Until I know that I can get along fine on my own, I will always have a second partition and will only update when I have time and at least one week after the updates have appeared. ;-)
[21:57:46] <manjaro-kde5> d42: I tried Kubuntu but it was really full of bugs... even almost two months after an LTS release... :-(
[21:58:28] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, dunno what others do different from me but as i said i do rarely manage to break anything... and i only remember one time breaking it without being my fault... and i use a mix of fedora rawhide, debian sid and arch testing...
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[21:58:45] <d42> Lowl3v3l: wut
[21:59:21] <d42> that's a lot of distros :v
[21:59:57] <Lowl3v3l> d42, well thats the three i got on my "production" pc's, i got about 2 dozen virtual machines additionally xD
[22:00:32] <Lowl3v3l> additionally : its good to know more than one distro inside out and having more than one for testing stuff^^
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[22:01:37] <bryznasty> well, i managed to open a terminal in i3
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[22:01:56] <bryznasty> but its showing my splash screen as a background
[22:02:10] <manjaro-kde5> Lowl3v3l: OK, you really seem to be an It professional. I am not, I just got the notion of a semi rolling release breaking after an updae from the literature. if it does not happen, I am very happy. From what I read, Manjaro seems to be on a good way.
[22:02:11] <Lowl3v3l> bryznasty, the terminal emulator or is it the i3-background?
[22:02:29] <Lowl3v3l> bryznasty, the terminal emulator you can easily change depending on which one you use^^
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[22:02:50] <bryznasty> Lowl3v3l: its showing the KDE login splash screen on all my monitors, but i can open a terminal ontop of it
[22:02:55] <bryznasty> its using terminator
[22:03:27] <Lowl3v3l> manjaro-kde5, there is... disagreement wether manjaro is on a good way. If your goal is to have a high-availability distro its the wrong one.
[22:04:05] <Lowl3v3l> bryznasty, i have no clue about terminator but there are ways to change i3's background too ( though you should usually not see it anyway^^)
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[22:04:36] <naitsabes> @bryz install nitrogen to change wallpaper
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[22:04:48] <bryznasty> Lowl3v3l: do you know how to open chrome from the terminal? lol
[22:05:02] <Lowl3v3l> bryznasty, there is no chrome for linux.
[22:05:11] <bryznasty> from the AUR
[22:05:16] <bryznasty> there is
[22:05:36] <Lowl3v3l> oh god you really installed the spyware-added version on your own free will?
[22:05:37] <Lowl3v3l> why?
[22:05:43] <Lowl3v3l> whats wrong with chromium? xD
[22:05:52] <Lowl3v3l> but in general the standard way is using dmenu
[22:06:07] <naitsabes> @bryz google-chrome-stable ?
[22:06:08] <Lowl3v3l> iirc it is binded to $mod+D
[22:06:12] <d42> Lowl3v3l: there is chrome for linux :^)
[22:06:15] <Lowl3v3l> there you can search for chrome
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[22:06:31] <d42> i steal ppapi flash from it every now and then
[22:06:35] <bryznasty> I find that chromium is much slower
[22:06:42] <Lowl3v3l> d42, yeah i like telling people so it dies off :p
[22:07:00] <Lowl3v3l> bryznasty, then your "findings" are counterlogical and contrary to all relevant benchmarks i am aware off^^
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[22:07:10] <Lowl3v3l> but anyway : use dmenu, search for it, be happy
[22:07:12] <d42> bryznasty: chromium shouldn't be slower, since it's mostly the same browser ,_,
[22:07:28] <Lowl3v3l> d42, not mostly. completely afaik^^
[22:07:50] <bryznasty> I honestly dont know, i used chromium for the longest time untill i found google-chrome on the aur
[22:08:01] <bryznasty> it seems less buggy and faster
[22:08:18] <day|flip> tbh I used Vivaldi browser snapshop
[22:08:24] <d42> interesting
[22:08:36] <day|flip> It awesome for people with big monitor
[22:08:50] <day|flip> maybe the only Browser worth using in 4k
[22:08:58] <bryznasty> I have 3 1080p monitors
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[22:10:46] <day|flip> http://vivalditips.com/efficiency/tab-tiling and here my test on it.. you need to be login in the manjaro forum: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/cool-web-browser-features/4399
[22:10:47] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/WZXgUl] Tab Tiling - Vivaldi Tips
[22:11:45] <day|flip> for me. I only need two tiling tab. since I have 27" 1080p monitor
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[22:13:34] <day|flip> and my IRC client i'm using is on the browser. really nice to
[22:14:04] <day|flip> https://thelounge.github.io/
[22:14:04] -FatalException- [https://is.gd/cwJYnm] The Lounge — Self-hosted web IRC client
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[22:16:26] <day|flip> Having up to 5 to 6 tab open at a time. Used to be that blink engine kill my ram with that many. Now it more stable then it used to be
[22:17:15] <day|flip> I'm more then happy to switch from firefox to vivaldi
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[22:19:24] <harsha> It used to work before when I use the option nonfree
[22:19:42] <harsha> Is there any way to add nomodeset flag while I am at the live usb boot options
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[23:14:24] <jurislav> any opinions on manjaro 16.06 kde?
[23:14:42] <jurislav> like, is plasma 5.6 worth it?
[23:15:31] <Lowl3v3l> nope, kde and plasma are horribly bloaded( but they were like this since kde 4)
[23:16:22] <Lowl3v3l> back in kde3 days it was at least somewhat usable :p
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[23:20:28] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: what do you mean "bloated"?
[23:20:42] <day|flip> why too many app for it own good?
[23:20:50] <jurislav> i never used it too much, but it wasn't b/c of any bloat
[23:21:08] <jurislav> day|flip: why = way?
[23:21:10] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, unnecessarily big, clumpy, resource hungry , slow and full of unnecessary features while lacking good ones?^^
[23:21:18] <day|flip> or you can't stand having more then 750 package install?
[23:21:43] <Lowl3v3l> oh and kde cant do tiling which is a dealbreaker in itself for me
[23:22:12] <jurislav> hmm..
[23:22:12] <day|flip> Lowl3v3l, do you like lxqt more then kde?
[23:22:25] <Lowl3v3l> day|flip, its... slightly less bad?^^
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[23:22:33] <day|flip> lol
[23:22:42] <jurislav> well, i am more like cinnamon fan myself, just in the mood for something new, you know..
[23:23:00] <Lowl3v3l> day|flip, still not tiling, still unnessessary many "user friendly"-features, still missing some things i'd really want.
[23:23:14] <Lowl3v3l> day|flip, and still to clumsy for my taste^^
[23:23:16] <day|flip> then you should try it. own a different user. if you don't feel like having mix config
[23:23:33] <jurislav> been switching to gnome3, mate, i3, bspwm now and then, but each time I find myself running back to cinnamon
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[23:24:02] <jurislav> and unity, ofcourse..
[23:24:05] <Lowl3v3l> i got a cinnamon around myself, in case someone that isn't comfy with i3 or qtile can use my pc
[23:24:11] <day|flip> Lowl3v3l, as of right now lxqt is the only de that i like. Other wise i'll be using my fav wm. Fluxbox
[23:24:12] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, unity? really? xD
[23:24:19] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: i know :)
[23:24:28] <jurislav> but tbh, i kinda like it
[23:24:33] <jurislav> the dash features are nice
[23:25:26] <jurislav> for example, say, you don't know how particular menu item is called.. so you hit Alt while withing the app and start typing.. and it searches in all the menus for you
[23:25:56] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, this is a "feature" that dmenu has since ages.
[23:26:12] <day|flip> that not very different form gnome 3.06 maybe older version of gnome 3 had that
[23:26:28] <jurislav> can I use dmenu alongside cinnamon?
[23:26:34] <day|flip> you can
[23:26:47] <day|flip> just have to make a custom keyboard shortcut for it
[23:26:52] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, there are even more modern versions of dmenu if you prefer them
[23:27:21] <day|flip> like?
[23:27:50] <Lowl3v3l> dmenu2
[23:29:02] <jurislav> what does that do more that dmenu?
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[23:29:56] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, it does it differently^^
[23:30:21] <jurislav> :D
[23:30:23] <jurislav> ah
[23:30:25] <jurislav> well..
[23:30:50] <jurislav> not that i don't wanna try it out.. i always do try out new stuff..
[23:31:21] <jurislav> thing is, I always spend a lot of time tweaking and searching for solutions for the problems it causes
[23:31:35] <jurislav> i find myself more fond of "integrated" solutions
[23:31:45] <jurislav> that's why unity..
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[23:33:02] <jurislav> I installed i3 many times.. but each time I am like "what if someone else wants to use my computer?" they'd be fucked..
[23:33:20] <jurislav> with cinnamon at least they have a chance :D
[23:34:56] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, well its not like you cant have cinnamon around for those cases or a live-stick
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[23:36:06] <jurislav> btw, Lowl3v3l i don't like reboots
[23:36:23] <jurislav> (minus "btw, Lowl3v3l" part, sorry)
[23:36:34] <Lowl3v3l> well you merely have to log out to change the DE...
[23:36:34] <jurislav> any thoughts of JWM?
[23:37:12] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: still, i have to switch user or something.. a bit of a bommer if you want to do something quickly
[23:37:50] <Lowl3v3l> somehow "what if someone else wants to do something so quickly he cant log in with the guest account" is a bad reason for me
[23:38:07] <Lowl3v3l> a few to many ifs for me^^
[23:38:20] <jurislav> i know, it's a minor use-case
[23:39:07] <jurislav> but since my goal is to ultimately move my organization to linux, it seems obvious to be using the same DE as I expect the rest to be using
[23:39:38] <jurislav> so far, I see my chances only with Mint cinnamon, maybe ubuntu unity..
[23:40:31] <Lowl3v3l> "organization"... then both are obviously terrible choices due to their glaring security flaws.
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[23:41:13] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: what do you mean? and why "organization" with the quotes?
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[23:41:54] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, if you call it "organization" i assume from the word that its something that relieas on reliability. hence either of your ideas is a bad idea.
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[23:43:39] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: it's a nonprofit/education organization. we don't like calling it a "company" since that usually associates with being after money..
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[23:44:42] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, cool, one more reason to use neither ubuntu nor mint.
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[23:46:36] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: i don't get it..
[23:46:52] <jurislav> like, there were no major security issues, as far as I remember..
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[23:47:49] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, did you not even get the big big breach in mint only a few weeks ago? Completely apart from both distros not granting you api stability between releases, ubuntus hilariously stupid choice to mix 3 init systems et cetera?
[23:48:35] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: i thought ubuntu is 100% systemd now since 16.04
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[23:49:06] <jurislav> about the mint breach, you referring to the fake ISOs?
[23:49:15] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, oh they finally killed their "upstart" thingy? would be new to me
[23:49:18] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, yes.
[23:49:44] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: they did it, I think, at 15.10
[23:49:51] <jurislav> anyway, now it's systemd
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[23:50:16] <jurislav> and the fake iso incident, well... nothing is perfect.
[23:50:25] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, cool , still the rest of my criticism plus it being a terrible distro to begin with
[23:50:48] <jurislav> i'd like to see nothing like that happens ever to manjaro/arch, but we both know it just a question of time and interest
[23:51:07] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: "terrible distro" is very subjective
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[23:51:15] <Lowl3v3l> not necessarily and i would consider arch and manjaro to be a terrible choice for your goal either
[23:51:22] <jurislav> it get's the job done for me for years
[23:51:53] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, nah. Bloat, bad software, excessive usage of metapackages, bug-density and stuff are pretty much measurable.
[23:52:07] <jurislav> me too. but still, i am not loking for the "best distro", but rather for a "distro that sucks least"
[23:52:46] <Lowl3v3l> and especially not having a guarantee of abi stability for at least 1 or 2 years is a dealbreaker for any reasonable company or what have you that wants tu run their stuff for more than 4 or 5 months.
[23:52:47] <jurislav> what is the best distro for the job (for any job, for that matter) according to you then..?
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[23:53:23] <jurislav> ^^ that's why I wanna go with LTS ubuntu/mint
[23:53:29] <sgm> does anyone know if there are issues with the latest manjaro isos and amd r9 380 ?
[23:53:34] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, "according to me"? nah dont go at me. Take the two that are widely used for enterprise stuff and are considered the two important ones if you want an administrator certificate : debian and RHEL
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[23:54:07] <sgm> I tried with two different 380 cards, 16.06.1 and the dev build, both can't start X
[23:54:29] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: none of them is very desktop-ish..
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[23:54:49] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, uhm both of them are widely used for desktop stuff in companies?
[23:55:20] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, both of them got all the usual DE's. Okay apart from unity. Not one other distro than buntu got it which should tell you something.
[23:55:52] <jurislav> Lowl3v3l: no, but it's installable on many :)
[23:56:02] <jurislav> (not that i'd do any such thing..)
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[23:56:54] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, "installable"... name one distro that got a working unity in its repos apart from ubuntu (and ubuntu-forks)
[23:57:28] <jurislav> ubuntu forks is majority of the current portfolio, isn't it?
[23:57:32] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, and i am NOT talking about "taking a week of friendly hacking and compiling from source you get it to start"
[23:57:48] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, i'd somehow doubt this... but yeah, ofc a ubuntu fork will run ubuntu stuff...
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[23:58:21] <jurislav> well, to me, desktop linux universe is pretty much about ubuntu and mint...
[23:58:31] <Lowl3v3l> jurislav, then you haven't looked.
[23:58:51] <jurislav> anything else is either not-so-friendly or aimed towards servers or towards experienced users
[23:58:57] <Lowl3v3l> wrong
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[23:59:10] <jurislav> care to elaborate..?
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[23:59:29] <jurislav> i've tried pretty much all the distros from top 20~40 on distrowatch
[23:59:46] <Lowl3v3l> well first : to state its only ubuntu and mint, when those are just place 1 and 3 on the top ten list on distrowatch is like factually wrong
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