December 25, 2013 
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mirror in china[12:59:44] <monty_slate> i don't think so[12:59:57] <monty_slate> i'm just paranoid[13:00:37] <MatthiasM> lol[13:00:45] <MatthiasM> now with built-in virus :)[13:04:36] *** LepraHorst has quit IRC[13:08:31] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[13:22:06] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[13:28:22] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[13:29:34] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[13:30:56] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[13:32:04] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[13:50:45] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[13:50:46] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[13:53:37] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[13:57:14] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[13:59:56] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[14:07:53] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[14:08:02] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[14:12:55] *** kappaOne has joined #lwjgl[14:19:10] *** Gooogy has joined #lwjgl[14:22:06] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[14:31:57] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[14:46:26] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[14:47:52] *** l3dx has quit IRC[14:49:51] *** DrShoggoth has joined 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ra4king[22:09:13] *** Raven67854_ has joined #lwjgl[22:09:53] *** scanlonman has joined #lwjgl[22:12:10] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[22:15:35] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[22:21:23] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[22:26:17] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[22:26:38] <iamtakingiteasy> hi, is there any nifty developers around?[22:27:20] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[22:28:20] <kappaOne> void256 is the nifty developer, don't think he's around much these days[22:31:52] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[22:34:42] *** kappaOne has quit IRC[22:36:36] *** Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854[22:38:41] <ra4king> yeah void used to come in here[22:39:14] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[22:39:15] <ra4king> iamtakingiteasy: actually void256 last logged on 22 hours ago[22:39:23] <ra4king> so he might be coming in here soon[22:39:27] <iamtakingiteasy> okay[22:40:21] <iamtakingiteasy> i am just looking for directions to integrate my ttf awt font renderer for lwjgl into nifty codebase[22:40:51] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[22:44:45] *** davedes has quit IRC[22:51:35] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[22:56:16] <MatthiasM> using awt for ttf rendering will most likely look like shit[22:58:34] <ra4king> iamtakingiteasy: ^^[22:58:47] <iamtakingiteasy> it doesn't[22:59:08] <iamtakingiteasy> also, alternatives?[22:59:33] <iamtakingiteasy> native FreeType calls?[23:00:01] <iamtakingiteasy> i doubt that awt is not using it internally[23:01:02] <iamtakingiteasy> MatthiasM: ^ :)[23:01:34] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[23:02:23] <MatthiasM> for normal font sizes in UIs (eg not big text) AWT rendering looks just acceptable when using drawString() - but you loose all control, but when you use the vector API it will look like shit[23:03:02] <MatthiasM> and yes FreeType actually looks better, allows access to all meta data needed for good font layout and also allows a fast caching[23:03:29] <MatthiasM> with AWT you always need to take the slow and ugly copy through BufferedImage[23:03:57] <iamtakingiteasy> have you tried KEY_RENDERING and KEY_ANTIALIASING options?[23:04:00] <MatthiasM> also taking into account that the AWT Font classes are terrible slow[23:04:10] <MatthiasM> I have tried every options[23:04:14] <iamtakingiteasy> okay[23:04:26] <iamtakingiteasy> but this one loks fine by me: http://static.eientei.org/images/screenshot/2013-12-24-051716_1366x768_scrot.png[23:04:39] <iamtakingiteasy> looks*[23:04:52] <MatthiasM> my TWL Theme Editor still have these as fallback when FreeType is not available - but FreeType easily beets it in quality[23:04:53] <iamtakingiteasy> it is with GL_NEAREST filter[23:04:58] *** CharlieM751 has left #lwjgl[23:05:08] <MatthiasM> lol - just look at the "m"[23:05:14] <iamtakingiteasy> m?[23:05:14] <MatthiasM> it's a blurry mess[23:05:26] <iamtakingiteasy> it is my native freetype terminal :/[23:05:54] <iamtakingiteasy> actual glyph rendering is @[23:06:07] <MatthiasM> if you think that font rendering is good - then you better stay away from rendering fonts yourself :)[23:06:34] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[23:07:05] <iamtakingiteasy> i think it is a good font rendering, actually[23:07:07] <MatthiasM> the "@" is a bad character to test with - as for small sizes it has too much details to have a good rasterization[23:07:10] <MatthiasM> lol[23:07:36] <iamtakingiteasy> yes, thats what i was testing[23:07:36] <iamtakingiteasy> if it is readable at small sizes[23:08:01] <iamtakingiteasy> i think it pretty much is[23:08:07] <MatthiasM> use the standard text for font rendering - Lorem Ipsum[23:08:30] <MatthiasM> as that also shows if the kerning is working as expected[23:08:42] <MatthiasM> because rendering a single glyph != rendering text[23:08:43] <iamtakingiteasy> kerning is part of nifty, as i understand[23:08:55] <MatthiasM> unlikely[23:09:18] <MatthiasM> how do you extract the kerning data from AWT?[23:10:06] <iamtakingiteasy> advance in x axis, i guess[23:10:36] <nbf> ugh hideous awt fonts[23:11:08] <nbf> pretty much all of sun's ui/graphics/etc code has been awful[23:11:14] <iamtakingiteasy> thats better than introduce anothre native library dependency, i think[23:11:17] <nbf> awt, swing, javafx, etc[23:11:34] <iamtakingiteasy> especially for nifty[23:11:48] <MatthiasM> iamtakingiteasy: kerning is the change in x-advance (for horizontal text layout) between a pair of glpyhs: eg "W" and "e" have a different kerning value than "W" and "T"[23:12:13] <MatthiasM> and last I checked AWT doesn't provide any API to query these values :)[23:13:00] <MatthiasM> which means you either need to brute force that by querying layout information for glyph pairs (*SLOW* !!!) or by other means outside of AWT[23:13:21] <iamtakingiteasy> well, there is a KERNING TextAttribute in awt api[23:13:41] <iamtakingiteasy> not sure how to query it though[23:13:57] <MatthiasM> the set of kerning pairs in a font is typically very small compared to the number of possible pairs[23:14:33] <iamtakingiteasy> so you suggest FreeType indefinently?[23:14:53] <MatthiasM> well - I don't care what you do :)[23:15:30] <MatthiasM> I have a fully working font rendering library for TWL which is used by my XHTML+CSS widget[23:15:55] <MatthiasM> and I tested it with some Chinese text from Wikipedia :)[23:15:59] <iamtakingiteasy> and which is not exists[23:18:37] <nbf> freetype output is pretty nice, freetype++ would use again[23:37:10] *** ra4king1 has joined #lwjgl[23:37:44] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[23:41:10] *** ra4king has quit IRC[23:42:49] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[23:47:40] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[23:58:13] *** scanlonman has quit IRC[23:58:28] *** CLT|Stiotic has joined #lwjgl[23:58:32] <CLT|Stiotic> Hello[23:58:42] <CLT|Stiotic> Merry christmas everyone[23:59:22] *** davedes has quit IRC