December 24, 2013 
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December 24, 2013 [00:00:59] <Oebele> ra4king: thanks, it works great now :) first click: a point appears, second click, a line, third click a triangle, next clicks add triangles in the "fan" pattern. My first opengl program :D[00:10:40] <ra4king> Oebele: yay![00:11:01] <Oebele> and now I notice my fullscreen is broken xD[00:11:21] <Oebele> didn't change the area gl draws on correctly apparently[00:21:52] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[00:28:53] *** davedes has quit IRC[00:31:41] *** Oebele has quit IRC[00:32:29] *** void256 has joined #lwjgl[00:34:50] *** MatthiasM_ is now known as MatthiasM[00:36:48] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[00:38:30] <MatthiasM> ra4king: clear() doesn't affect the data of a buffer[00:39:31] <ra4king> MatthiasM: goddamn I always confuse myself between Buffer's clear and ArrayList's clear[00:39:40] <MatthiasM> RTFM :)[00:40:01] <ra4king> MatthiasM: ArrayList nulls out the elements, Buffer just messes with position and limit[00:40:08] * ra4king drills it into himself[01:15:56] *** void256 has quit IRC[01:29:13] *** Danik has quit IRC[01:34:52] *** Danik has joined #lwjgl[01:46:47] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC[01:47:05] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[01:49:13] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[01:50:50] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC[01:51:19] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[01:53:29] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC[01:53:40] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[01:56:03] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC[01:56:27] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[01:58:48] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC[01:58:59] *** Dessimat0r has joined #lwjgl[02:20:03] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[02:27:03] <iamtakin1iteasy> heehoo[02:27:11] <iamtakin1iteasy> i think i've got basics of font renderings :)[02:27:12] <iamtakin1iteasy> http://static.eientei.org/images/screenshot/2013-12-24-051716_1366x768_scrot.png[02:28:00] <iamtakin1iteasy> now all i need is to apply Valve' techinque to up-scale rendered images with signed distance field as source texture[02:38:32] <nbf> valve's technique doesn't work well at small sizes[02:38:36] <nbf> already tried it :([02:39:17] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[02:39:48] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[02:40:57] *** Hanack has joined #lwjgl[02:41:36] <monty_slate> hello[02:41:36] <monty_slate> well well well...[02:44:13] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[02:46:08] *** monty_slate1 has joined #lwjgl[02:47:02] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[02:50:44] *** Norbo11` has quit IRC[02:58:08] * monty_slate1 flogs ra4king mercilessly with a squid[02:58:15] *** monty_slate1 is now known as monty_hall[02:58:28] <monty_hall> test[03:03:38] <Agro> monty_hall: where is monty_christo D:[03:03:47] *** monty_hall has quit IRC[03:03:54] <Agro> ,hjh'[03:05:17] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[03:13:09] <ra4king> monty_slate: are you ok there?[03:14:09] <monty_slate> i'm always ok sucka[03:14:19] <monty_slate> nevah question the scro[03:14:20] * ra4king sends monty_slate to a mental hospital[03:14:22] <ra4king> poor thing[03:16:36] *** Gooogy has quit IRC[03:27:18] *** monty_slate1 has joined #lwjgl[03:28:59] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[03:47:33] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[03:54:20] *** monty_slate1 has quit IRC[04:00:26] *** Htbrdd has quit IRC[04:03:12] *** Htbrdd has joined #lwjgl[04:14:28] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[04:14:32] <monty_slate> sup suckas[04:17:59] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[04:35:31] * ra4king eats monty_slate for dinner[04:40:05] *** Xardov has joined #lwjgl[04:40:13] <Xardov> ra4king: what you up to?[04:53:17] <nbf> so I'm rewatch the matrix trilogy (I never saw the third one)[04:53:20] <nbf> *ing[04:53:26] <nbf> and it's already pretty dated lol[04:55:06] <ra4king> Xardov: nothing at all[04:55:11] <ra4king> bored, really[04:56:32] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[05:00:13] *** ra4king has left #lwjgl[05:07:09] <monty_slate> the was no *trilogy*[05:07:19] <monty_slate> a myth[05:10:09] *** ra4king has joined #lwjgl[05:10:11] <ra4king> wtf[05:10:14] <ra4king> how did I leave this hcannel?[05:10:21] <ra4king> channel*'[05:10:40] <ra4king> and lol monty_slate[05:10:46] <ra4king> nbf: I really liked all 3[05:10:50] <ra4king> not gonna lie[05:10:50] <monty_slate> 2 & 3 were created by the north koreans[05:10:54] <ra4king> lol[05:21:41] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[05:36:24] *** davedes has quit IRC[05:36:42] <nbf> keeahnooh is such a gump in the kungfu scene lol[06:19:24] *** bgilb has joined #lwjgl[06:54:31] *** Hanack1 has joined #lwjgl[06:55:32] *** Hanack has quit IRC[07:03:36] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[07:03:52] <monty_slate> sup[07:13:34] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[07:16:17] *** Agro has quit IRC[07:20:35] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[07:36:25] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[07:59:47] *** DroneZeRo has joined #lwjgl[08:12:00] *** md_5 has left #lwjgl[08:17:49] *** bgilb has quit IRC[08:20:51] <nbf> man why does windows have to suck so hard at everyting it does[08:25:47] <jezek2> what issue do you have this time? :)[08:26:15] <nbf> just dealing with the fucked up security system, service, etc[08:26:21] <nbf> all the core parts of windows that sucks[08:26:26] <nbf> *suck[08:26:31] <nbf> which is basically everything[08:27:56] <jezek2> hehe[08:40:02] *** monty_slate1 has joined #lwjgl[08:42:50] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[08:46:19] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[08:48:53] *** monty_slate1 has quit IRC[08:50:20] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[09:01:17] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[09:05:57] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[09:22:52] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[09:23:06] *** ShaRose has quit IRC[09:24:00] *** jjs has quit IRC[09:26:20] *** ShaRose has joined #lwjgl[09:31:20] *** ShaRose has quit IRC[09:31:34] <nbf> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0029356717/[09:31:44] <nbf> this book has to be interesting[09:35:26] <ra4king> nbf: oh damn, I'd read that[09:36:12] <nbf> this is a funny comment: "It amazes me how everyone forgets NT started out as a co-development effort with IBM's OS2. As an early third party developer I would get two large boxes of floppies from MS to develop with one was for NT and the other was for OS2. As a driver developer they were basically the same just substitute GDI for GPI etc. MS eventually dropped out of OS2 and focused on NT which eventually beat out IBM since it was used on third party PC'[09:36:27] <nbf> err no[09:36:40] <nbf> sorry the right one is longer, nm ;) don't want to spam[09:36:53] <ra4king> nbf: link?[09:36:55] <nbf> "Dave Cutle was definately a personality. There were no build breaks from lousy chackins when Dave was at the helm. If you did break the build Dave would show up in your office and scare the living %$#(@ out of you. That WAS the process."[09:37:03] <nbf> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/08/showstopper.html[09:39:17] <MatthiasM> lol - NT is a pile of crap[09:39:21] <MatthiasM> *was[09:39:37] <MatthiasM> on all these systems we used it it was not very stable[09:39:46] <nbf> no arguments here[09:39:50] <MatthiasM> and much harder to manage than any unix[09:40:20] <MatthiasM> who needs a graphical UI for a server?!?[09:41:25] <nbf> I bought the book, it'll be interesting to see why they ended up with such a pile[09:41:51] <nbf> I mean they had a lot of money and juice at the time, they were basically Google at that time[09:42:02] <nbf> so they had all the smart devs money could buy[09:43:42] <ra4king> nbf: 1 cent, should I buy it too?[09:43:53] <ra4king> oh for fuck's sake, $4 shipping[09:44:01] <MatthiasM> nbf: because money is not enough when creating an OS[09:44:15] <MatthiasM> having the name Microshit alone makes it impossible to create a usabnle server OS[09:44:41] <ra4king> MatthiasM: wtf? now you're being mean :D[09:45:03] <MatthiasM> no, just by having their useless UI bullshit all over prevents any usable server system[09:45:28] <MatthiasM> eg you can easily manage tons of Linux systems remotely with very little bandwidth[09:45:51] <MatthiasM> but with winshit you need a remote desktop and transfer graphics[09:46:28] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[09:46:36] <MatthiasM> and then they have their useless binary registry bullshit - which prevents any easy backup, compare or synchronization between system for individual services[09:46:46] <nbf> it is indeed ridiculous, just spent the last 4 hours fucking with it :([09:47:00] <ra4king> nbf: hehe wiki.osdev.org[09:47:06] <ra4king> I'm tempted to make my own OS now[09:47:07] <MatthiasM> and then it doesn't have *any* kind of usable scripting[09:47:28] <ra4king> MatthiasM: would you like to use my new Ra4kingOS?[09:47:40] <ra4king> It's the Best! [tm][09:48:02] <MatthiasM> and after decades Microshit is unable to make resizable shell windows - how fucking lame is that for an OS vendor who names it's shit after one thing it can't do in a usable form: windows[09:48:16] <MatthiasM> ra4king: Ra4crashNoSupportOS[09:48:33] <nbf> ra4kernel[09:48:42] <ra4king> MatthiasM: no support? I'm in this channel 24/7, that's good enough! :D[09:48:46] <ra4king> nbf: excellent[09:48:54] <MatthiasM> ra4king: HW support[09:49:16] <ra4king> oh. I'll make sure to code it for x86, ARM, and MIPS[09:49:21] <MatthiasM> lol[09:49:23] <ra4king> and then I'll make some basic drivers[09:49:29] <ra4king> and then I'll take over the world[09:49:30] <smiley_> MatthiasM: +1 * 10000 :)[09:49:35] <nbf> ra4king's os will be just a hobby, not big and professional like linux[09:49:40] <MatthiasM> ra4king: have you even look at how complex "ARM" is as a target :)[09:50:11] <ra4king> MatthiasM: oh I bet ARM won't be the most complicated thing I'll deal with[09:50:20] <nbf> x86 bro[09:50:34] <jezek2> nbf: :D[09:50:58] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[09:51:04] <MatthiasM> ra4king: for one - ARM is not a single CPU, there are several generations on the market (and still being made) which are not 100% compatible (esp for things like cache maintenance or memory management)[09:51:18] <ra4king> MatthiasM: wow, that sounds like a royal pain in the rear[09:51:22] <MatthiasM> most ARM based systems are different from each other[09:51:27] <ra4king> wtf[09:51:34] <MatthiasM> as they are SoC (system on a chip)[09:51:43] <MatthiasM> so every vendor basically makes their own ARM SoC[09:52:02] <ra4king> what does that mean really? SoC?[09:52:05] <MatthiasM> which means: different CPU core, different cache controller, different IO cores etc[09:52:20] <MatthiasM> ra4king: google for Freescale i.MX6[09:52:24] <MatthiasM> that's the one we use[09:52:57] <jezek2> actually there is one system worth targetting, it's Raspberry Pi, it has big user base and you can target just single system[09:53:23] <ra4king> oooh SoC just means like RaspPi, an entire computer's components on a small board?[09:53:25] <jezek2> + you can get even opengl running without THAT much effort in an alternative OS :)[09:53:34] <jezek2> which is something unique to raspberry pi[09:53:36] <MatthiasM> lol - but the Raspberry has a very slow/feature less SoC on it[09:53:54] <MatthiasM> ra4king: no - SoC means System On a Chip[09:54:03] <ra4king> ....[09:54:08] <jezek2> MatthiasM: sure, but it's unique system on the market :)[09:54:24] <ra4king> MatthiasM: right, the entire system is on a "chip"[09:54:31] <jezek2> for end users[09:54:33] <MatthiasM> means you take the chip, adds DDR3 (or DDR2 for the cheap ones) and some micro-SD and you are done[09:54:42] <ra4king> yup[09:55:13] <MatthiasM> jezek2: also the documentation for the Pi's SoC is not public last time I checked[09:56:02] <jezek2> yeah it's not 100% great ;)[09:56:50] <ra4king> MatthiasM: wat![09:56:57] <ra4king> damn[09:57:02] <jezek2> and personally I don't have any usecase for it... but it's one of the very affordable, easy to setup, having big user base system worth targetting for a hobby OS creator :)[09:57:12] <monty_slate> screw the pi. get something to work on vanilla x86 desktop. if it works i'll switch[09:57:15] <MatthiasM> Altera will include an A53 in it's new FPGA - build on Intel's 14nm fin-FET process :)[09:57:30] <jezek2> and including the 3d acceleration (though it works like a blackbox but that's okish)[09:57:54] <jezek2> monty_slate: try haiku then ;)[09:58:00] <MatthiasM> http://www.altera.com/devices/fpga/stratix-fpgas/stratix10/stx10-index.jsp @ jezek2[09:58:08] <ra4king> ah yeah Haiku is a nice OS[09:58:11] <ra4king> monty_slate: you should try it ^^[09:58:47] <monty_slate> boooo[09:58:57] <ra4king> and goddamn it's fucking cold as hell[09:59:00] <ra4king> 68F in my room[09:59:11] <ra4king> that's 20C for MatthiasM and jezek2[09:59:12] <jezek2> MatthiasM: yeah I know... though I'm generally not interested in ARMs except for cortex-m4 :)[09:59:24] * ra4king closes door and runs a GPU intensive program :D[09:59:39] <MatthiasM> ra4king: why do you even keep using that useless F temperature thing?[10:00:01] <MatthiasM> use either °C or °K :)[10:00:13] <ra4king> MatthiasM: kelvin doesn't use the degree symbol[10:00:16] <ra4king> :)[10:00:27] <MatthiasM> fine[10:00:33] <ra4king> and yeah I agree I *really* dislike Fahrenheit[10:00:39] <ra4king> it's bullshit, celsius is so much nicer[10:01:25] <nbf> what does fahrenheit mean? it's german isn't it?[10:01:28] *** ShaRose has joined #lwjgl[10:01:28] <nbf> travelish?[10:01:34] <nbf> that can't be right[10:01:41] <MatthiasM> nbf: no - it's the name of the guy who had that idea[10:01:49] <jezek2> I think anything is ok as long as you include the units used :P[10:01:56] <nbf> I know that :)[10:02:15] <MatthiasM> fahren == driving[10:02:25] <MatthiasM> but with *heit it has no meaning[10:02:38] <monty_slate> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gabriel_Fahrenheit[10:03:24] <nbf> since he was also dutch and polish maybe there's something there[10:03:30] <nbf> or maybe it's just abstract[10:03:58] <nbf> http://german.stackexchange.com/questions/3296/does-the-word-fahrenheit-mean-anything-in-german[10:04:01] <nbf> nice[10:05:01] <monty_slate> i think the surname translates to "mule skinner"[10:05:21] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[10:05:26] <ra4king> nbf: did you not know it was named after the guy?[10:05:36] <nbf> I did, i was just curious what his name meant[10:05:40] <ra4king> fun fact about him: he set 100F as the standard body temperature[10:05:53] <ra4king> however, he was sick when he measured himself, so the actual temperature is really 98F![10:05:54] <MatthiasM> ra4king: 96°F[10:05:54] <ra4king> hahaha[10:05:57] <nbf> apparently it's an old archaic german word for "Experience"[10:06:04] <MatthiasM> later changed to 98.6°F[10:06:22] <ra4king> MatthiasM: yup 98.6[10:06:34] <ra4king> nbf: huh[10:06:37] <ra4king> that's interesting[10:06:40] <MatthiasM> but he set it to 96°F[10:06:59] <nbf> his name was Johnny Experience, that's why everyone liebed him[10:06:59] <ra4king> MatthiasM: wait really? I was told it was 100[10:08:23] <ra4king> GPU is at 85C, fan is blowing at 75%, room is heating up slowly![10:08:24] * ra4king rejoices[10:08:40] <nbf> gaming rig FTW[10:08:42] <ra4king> my parents refuse to set the heater any higher than 69F[10:08:51] <ra4king> they like it that cold[10:09:21] <nbf> 69F isn't cold[10:09:42] <nbf> I went for a bike ride today in 31 F=awesome temps[10:09:48] <nbf> and that wasn't really even cold[10:09:58] <ra4king> nbf: it is when the *actual* temperature is much lower[10:10:14] <ra4king> my room is usually hotter than the entire house (gaming rig) and it's 68F in here[10:10:38] <nbf> 68F is like 4 batmans, you should ask your parents for additional batmans[10:10:44] <ra4king> wat?[10:11:01] <nbf> you call yourself american[10:11:43] <ra4king> nbf: wait, explain. what do you mean?[10:13:11] <MatthiasM> ra4king: you should have at least 60°C otherwise you might get infections[10:13:20] *** Sam4242 has quit IRC[10:14:20] <nbf> and you could bake cookies[10:15:29] *** MatthiasM_ has joined #lwjgl[10:15:42] <MatthiasM_> ra4king: you should have at least 60°C otherwise you might get Legionella infections[10:17:56] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[10:18:08] *** MatthiasM_ is now known as MatthiasM[10:19:20] <nbf> I want to buy a trashcan that looks like a new mac pro[10:21:55] <ra4king> MatthiasM: lol[10:22:01] <ra4king> nbf: hahahahaha[10:22:11] <ra4king> nbf: and yay, my room went up a whole 0.3F![10:22:19] <ra4king> :D[10:22:28] <nbf> almost two robins[10:28:59] <nbf> http://www.shapeways.com/model/364717/a-little-sad-keanu-reeves.html?li=curatedproductGroup&materialId=26[10:29:30] <ra4king> nbf: 68.5F in my room![10:43:08] <ra4king> nbf: 68.7F! getting toasty[10:44:15] *** Xardov has quit IRC[10:53:08] <ZeuPiark> hello[10:56:12] <ra4king> ZeuPiark: bonjour![10:56:16] <ra4king> nbf: 69F!![11:19:57] <ra4king> nbf: 69.5F![11:36:33] *** hello has joined #lwjgl[11:36:53] <hello> wuzzup[11:37:24] *** hello has quit IRC[11:50:13] *** 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Cambridge Audio Bluray Player supports it :)[14:29:47] <MatthiasM> and also my HTC :)[14:30:52] <monty_mobile> so toy use it?[14:30:59] <monty_mobile> bleh[14:31:03] <monty_mobile> swype[14:31:21] <monty_mobile> but do you use it[14:32:12] <MatthiasM> well - I can watch videos and pcitures on my TV that way[14:32:16] <monty_mobile> my router and android support it too[14:34:04] <monty_mobile> don't own a television, so it makes sense[14:38:10] *** djdduty has quit IRC[14:38:10] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[14:45:09] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[14:46:48] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has joined #lwjgl[14:50:54] *** darkfrog1 has joined #lwjgl[14:58:40] *** darkfrog has quit IRC[14:59:11] *** Htbrdd- has joined #lwjgl[15:06:02] *** Htbrdd has quit IRC[15:06:02] *** Dragonene_ has quit IRC[15:11:02] *** Dragonene_ has joined #lwjgl[15:14:01] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[15:14:57] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[15:16:05] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[15:16:08] <monty_slate> sup[15:18:24] *** monty_mobile has quit IRC[15:36:55] *** Bladdock has joined #lwjgl[15:37:00] <Bladdock> HI there[15:37:56] <Bladdock> I'm just about to start learning lwjgl, but noticed the Legacy OpenGL section on the wiki and was wondering whether it is useful to look at?[15:39:10] *** Bladdock has quit IRC[15:44:51] *** LepraHorst has joined #lwjgl[15:58:01] *** Nasco has joined #lwjgl[15:58:17] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[16:06:24] *** Hanack has joined #lwjgl[16:07:56] *** Hanack1 has quit IRC[16:13:51] *** darkfrog1 has quit IRC[16:23:42] *** Gooogy has quit IRC[16:34:13] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[16:35:04] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[16:43:20] *** natte has quit IRC[16:45:14] *** natte has joined #lwjgl[16:54:25] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[17:05:08] *** monty_slate1 has joined #lwjgl[17:08:37] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[17:10:25] *** noplamodo_ has quit IRC[17:12:05] *** noplamodo has joined #lwjgl[17:16:48] *** LepraHorst has quit IRC[17:41:31] *** monty_slate1 has quit IRC[17:41:46] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[18:10:11] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: [BUG] SIGSEGV when closing the display. <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5277.msg28149.html#msg28149>[18:17:08] *** Chris_Noob has joined #lwjgl[18:57:44] *** iamtakin1iteasy is now known as iamtakingiteasy[19:02:46] *** aho has joined #lwjgl[19:11:51] *** skoskav has quit IRC[19:18:50] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[19:36:10] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[19:41:46] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[19:50:23] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[19:50:56] <nbf> https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack[19:51:13] <nbf> cool jc is doing something involving sharing gpu data between processes![19:51:23] <nbf> maybe the driver vendors will provide some nice new paths for doing that :)[19:52:35] <nbf> it would be awesome to be able to grab pointers to gart allocated gpu data[19:52:39] <jezek2> about damn time[19:52:41] <jezek2> :)[19:53:15] <jezek2> nbf: hmm didn't nvidia had some such direct pointer access in some of their extensions?[19:53:31] <jezek2> like you could crash the system or something with it :P[19:53:35] <nbf> there are some shitty features like that on various vendors but I haven't been crazy about them[19:53:42] <nbf> yeah, they're not exactly "good"[19:54:24] <nbf> it would be great to have a common memory area that is accessible like game consoles have[19:54:58] <jezek2> hmm I wonder how to detect "not working" GPU automatically (either crashing or not enough features) and switch to SW renderer automatically[19:55:01] <nbf> sadly d3d has some nice features like that[19:55:03] <jezek2> or would whitelist approach be better? :)[19:55:17] <jezek2> like if it's not known GL vendor => use SW renderer[19:55:20] <nbf> luckily we use ogre as our compatibilty layer, so we have d3d support (but that's only windows obviously)[19:55:53] <jezek2> I think GL vendor strings are NOT that changing, at least if it says "nvidia" somewhere in it I can be quite sure it will work :P[19:56:31] <jezek2> whitelist on vendors and blacklist on old HW[19:56:31] <nbf> I really hope valve gets the linux driver situation in shape, if anyone can do it it's them[19:57:38] <jezek2> what's the situation exactly btw?[19:57:49] <jezek2> I think it's either using of binary drivers or you're not supported :P[19:58:15] <nbf> they've employed a ton of the open source graphics people[19:58:25] <jezek2> I tried my game with llvmpipe but sadly it crashes somewhere in LWJGL when creating blank cursor or something[19:58:39] <jezek2> that doesn't sound much reassuring of totally transparent opengl support :P[19:58:50] <jezek2> no matter what the reasons are, probably not even opengl related :P[19:59:20] <nbf> dollas make driver developers holla[19:59:27] <nbf> so I have hope in valve, in gabe I trust :)[19:59:38] <jezek2> haha[19:59:43] <jezek2> I don't :)[20:00:06] <nbf> might be a wise decision, haha[20:00:08] <jezek2> part of reason why I have a SW renderer as an alternative to GPU renderer :)[20:00:24] <nbf> but valve hasn't ever screwed up, so steamos would be the first flop[20:00:35] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[20:00:38] <jezek2> it works great, also had nice fun with SSE2 yesterday or so with optimizing 2d drawing routines for GUI :)[20:01:03] <nbf> its cool, it looks like john carmack is doing what i did last year[20:01:17] <nbf> with the out of process 3d editing stuff, for the oculus no doubt[20:01:28] <jezek2> what they need the sharing for?[20:01:44] <nbf> I have to ping them about getting a high res display, we have some cool IDE stuff going on in that space[20:02:08] <jezek2> haha, running it in occulus you say[20:02:22] <jezek2> the biggest monitor possible, the unlimited one![20:02:38] <nbf> well really the concept of "monitor" dies[20:02:57] <nbf> it's all about perspective, because the displays can be of any arbitrary location, size and shape[20:03:13] <jezek2> so going into star trek way?[20:03:21] <nbf> holodeck baby[20:04:02] <jezek2> and having to standing up when operating computers[20:04:03] <jezek2> :P[20:04:13] <nbf> haha on that treadmill thing[20:04:17] <jezek2> :D[20:04:33] <nbf> the fat programmer dies a death in the name of progress[20:05:07] <jezek2> or he scavenges all the old tech[20:05:21] <jezek2> like I have few CRTs just in case :P[20:05:59] <jezek2> but I think when I will be about to buy a LCD (which they're quite decent now, some of them at least, took only a decade of waiting :P)[20:06:16] *** aho has quit IRC[20:06:18] <jezek2> it will be abandoned too in favor of some new tech :P[20:06:30] <jezek2> (that will be again shitty for the first decade :P)[20:06:49] <nbf> I love my 30" displays[20:07:02] <nbf> been using them for like 7 years now[20:07:13] <jezek2> I prefer small 4:3 monitors :D[20:07:30] <jezek2> was excited to found out they introduced some IPS 19" 5:4 panels recently[20:08:13] <jezek2> it's great for us task switchers with fullscreen apps :)[20:08:39] <nbf> vr is better though, for about 30 minutes[20:09:02] 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