December 22, 2013 
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IRC[02:37:14] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[02:47:23] *** Xardov__ has joined #lwjgl[02:47:33] *** Xardov_ has quit IRC[02:47:52] *** Xardov has joined #lwjgl[02:51:33] *** Xardov__ has quit IRC[02:51:51] *** Chris_Noob has quit IRC[02:52:39] *** Xardov has quit IRC[02:54:37] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[02:56:47] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[03:00:20] <ra4king> Mazon: damn, that was 6 weeks ago?[03:01:44] <ra4king> nbf: and yeah, I've used it before, but there so many hassles and pain that I removed it[03:02:00] <ra4king> !seen sproingie[03:02:13] <ra4king> Mazon: hey can you see when sproingie was last seen?[03:02:17] <ra4king> it's been a while :S[03:06:38] *** Gooogy has quit IRC[03:08:43] <jezek2> yeah, package managers of any sort are great only if they do the exact thing you need, anything outside and you're screwed, and there are lot of gaps :)[03:10:40] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[03:24:59] *** Chris_Noob has joined #lwjgl[03:29:09] <nbf> <3 stimmed marines[03:46:02] *** 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bitte[08:29:56] <ra4king> nbf: :)[08:29:58] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[08:30:08] <ra4king> ZeuPiark: bonjour[08:31:13] <nbf> everything is bon[08:33:18] <ZeuPiark> hello[08:33:59] <MatthiasM> ra4king: stop smoking weed[08:34:17] <ra4king> nbf: hehe[08:34:27] <ra4king> MatthiasM: wat[08:34:46] <MatthiasM> or have you already fried your brain?[08:43:28] *** Jonas__ has quit IRC[08:43:55] *** Jonas__ has joined #lwjgl[08:45:13] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[08:58:54] *** beigly has joined #lwjgl[09:00:13] *** beigly has left #lwjgl[09:07:37] *** stroop has quit IRC[09:13:05] *** Xardov has joined #lwjgl[09:15:51] *** skoskav has quit IRC[09:19:04] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[09:25:14] *** jjs has quit IRC[09:26:39] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[09:32:27] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[09:35:25] *** stroop has quit IRC[09:37:26] *** skoskav has quit IRC[09:51:08] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[10:06:14] *** Xardov_ has joined #lwjgl[10:14:05] *** MatthiasM_ has joined #lwjgl[10:14:48] *** 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#lwjgl[12:10:32] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[12:12:41] <monty_slate> hello[12:15:58] <monty_slate> sup[12:21:33] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[12:30:16] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[12:34:31] *** stroop has quit IRC[12:35:19] *** scanlonman has quit IRC[12:35:33] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[12:35:45] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[12:36:52] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[12:41:11] *** skoskav has quit IRC[12:44:42] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[12:48:32] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[12:53:21] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[13:02:15] *** stroop has quit IRC[13:04:12] *** skoskav has quit IRC[13:28:33] <iamtakingiteasy> hi, is there any OpenJDK-compatible TrueType unicode font rendering library for lwjgl?[13:33:49] *** Xardov has joined #lwjgl[13:34:41] *** Xardov_ has quit IRC[13:35:10] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[13:39:27] *** stroop has quit IRC[13:44:54] *** devnewton has quit IRC[13:46:56] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[13:51:11] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[13:51:17] *** skoskav has quit IRC[13:55:32] *** stroop has quit IRC[14:11:08] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[14:18:39] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[14:24:04] *** stroop has quit IRC[14:24:18] <MatthiasM> iamtakingiteasy: TWL has one :)[14:26:38] <iamtakingiteasy> MatthiasM: judging by the site, it is more like having a tool for creating bitmap fonts from ttf, rather than providing means to do the same task in run-time[14:26:57] <MatthiasM> there is a addon lib for that too[14:27:00] <iamtakingiteasy> ah[14:27:01] <iamtakingiteasy> nice[14:27:09] <MatthiasM> based on the same technology[14:27:28] <MatthiasM> but it's only really useful together with the TWL HTML renderer[14:27:37] <MatthiasM> as for normal UI fonts using bitmap fonts is much faster[14:28:53] <MatthiasM> but that is of course not usable stand alone :)[14:30:34] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[14:34:44] *** skos has joined #lwjgl[14:36:26] *** skoskav has quit IRC[14:39:39] *** skos is now known as skoskav[14:40:47] *** stroop has joined 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#lwjgl[16:18:20] <Oebele> hi[16:18:58] <Oebele> this question has probably been asked 9000+ times, but... any hints on a good opengl tutorial?[16:19:34] <Oebele> brb, sorry[16:20:15] *** Oebele has quit IRC[16:22:34] *** Norbo11 has quit IRC[16:28:51] *** Oebele has joined #lwjgl[16:29:27] <Oebele> I am back now, so to repeat my question, can anyone recommend an opengl 3 tutorial?[16:29:37] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[16:29:50] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[16:30:46] *** LepraHorst has joined #lwjgl[16:33:57] *** skoskav has quit IRC[16:34:38] *** stroop has quit IRC[16:41:35] *** Gooogy has joined #lwjgl[16:46:02] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[16:57:36] *** skoskav has quit IRC[17:08:55] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[17:19:16] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[17:23:03] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[17:39:32] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[17:40:29] <jezek2> Oebele: https://bitbucket.org/ra4king/lwjgl-shader-tutorials + the linked arcsynthesis tutorial[17:42:03] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[18:20:05] <Oebele> jezek2: thanks for replying. maybe I am stupid, but that link seems to only be examples?[18:25:53] <jezek2> scroll down for the links[18:31:58] *** davedes has quit IRC[18:33:46] <Oebele> jezek2: ah, so it is basically a collection[18:38:45] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[18:43:13] *** Oebele has quit IRC[18:45:33] *** Oebele has joined #lwjgl[18:45:53] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[18:46:02] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[18:46:14] *** l3dx has quit IRC[18:50:55] *** Guest85538 has joined #lwjgl[18:57:46] <Guest85538> Hi, do you have/know any project with basic setup? I would need basic code that draws a shape on the screen using opengl4. Basicaly I would like the code for setting up array vertex object, an object buffer for vertices, a uniform matrix for the prspective projection and 2 basic vertex and fragment shader and for coloring and positioning.[19:00:53] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[19:01:27] <Guest85538> On the Wiki all I find is code that is not in core profile.[19:03:20] <Guest85538> ok, mybe I am f**ing retarded. There is a opengl4 tutorial on the offical wiki, let me see.[19:05:53] <Guest85538> How the f did I miss it![19:08:17] *** purestrain has joined #lwjgl[19:08:36] <Oebele> General question: is the idea that I only use the methods provided by GL32 if I want to use opengl 3.2?[19:09:45] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[19:11:38] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[19:20:15] *** kappaOne has joined #lwjgl[19:24:53] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[19:31:51] *** stroop has quit IRC[19:33:36] *** kappaOne has quit IRC[19:39:00] *** davedes has quit IRC[19:39:20] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[19:43:32] *** darkfrog has joined #lwjgl[19:48:22] *** davedes has quit IRC[19:48:52] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[19:57:34] *** Oebele has quit IRC[20:00:23] *** Oebele has joined #lwjgl[20:00:35] *** davedes has quit IRC[20:01:42] *** scanlonman has quit IRC[20:01:56] *** scanlonman has joined #lwjgl[20:02:47] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[20:02:54] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[20:06:40] *** [Neurotic] has quit IRC[20:09:18] *** [Neurotic] has joined #lwjgl[20:23:20] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: GL objects <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5276.msg28146.html#msg28146>[20:23:48] *** aho has joined #lwjgl[20:25:28] *** purestrain has quit IRC[20:31:08] *** jjs has joined #lwjgl[20:38:27] *** scanlonman has quit IRC[20:40:42] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[20:48:45] *** Dragonene_ has quit IRC[20:49:04] *** codeoclock has quit IRC[20:49:23] *** [Neurotic] has quit IRC[20:49:56] *** Dragonene_ has joined #lwjgl[20:51:15] *** [Neurotic] has joined #lwjgl[20:52:59] *** codeoclock has joined #lwjgl[20:59:16] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[21:06:08] <Mazon> !seen sproingie[21:06:08] <lwjglbot> Mazon: sproingie was last seen in #lwjgl 19 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 9 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: * sproingie wonders at the energy budget for producing vat meat[21:32:08] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[21:34:12] *** Nasco has quit IRC[21:35:19] *** peter1_ has quit IRC[21:36:24] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[21:38:04] <ra4king> Mazon: holy shit[21:38:20] <ra4king> where did he go for 20 weeks![21:38:49] <Mazon> he got a life ..[21:41:33] <ra4king> Mazon: :D[21:43:36] *** davedes has quit IRC[21:43:56] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[21:45:48] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[21:51:48] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[21:52:14] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[21:55:09] <nbf> http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/1/d0/4ba95faaf12cc.jpg[21:55:25] *** Nasco has joined #lwjgl[21:57:27] *** davedes has quit IRC[22:02:48] <nbf> http://vimeo.com/14098847[22:03:08] <nbf> good old caps lock[22:03:25] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[22:03:48] <monty_slate> hello[22:04:56] <Agro> where is monty_christo[22:12:49] *** void256 has joined #lwjgl[22:28:24] *** Simn_ has joined #lwjgl[22:31:59] <Simn_> Anyone got any tips to speed up texture loading? If I load one texture (256 x 256), my application needs at least 2 extra seconds to load fully up. :/[22:34:12] *** scanlonman has joined #lwjgl[22:37:01] <Simn_> Oops, mistake by me. Seems like loading textures is quite fast, but that my font class slows in down a bit.[22:37:19] <Simn_> slows it down*[22:37:30] <Simn_> Time to find the bottleneck! :P[23:02:43] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[23:09:06] <Simn_> There we go, down to 21 ms now. :D[23:13:05] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[23:28:29] <Simn_> Uhm, no, 21 ms is with my bitmap font class, but with my true type font class is up to roughly 2000 ms.[23:34:22] <Simn_> Bottleneck is where I need to draw the glyphs to the buffered image. Takes up a decent 1000 ms for all (256) glyphs.[23:36:49] *** CharlieM751 has joined #lwjgl[23:37:02] <Simn_> Calculating character width with font metrics is a pain in the ass too: roughly 1000 ms.[23:39:35] <aho> i suggest to do it ahead of time[23:40:00] <aho> if your game doesn't contain crazy amounts of text, you won't need anything fancy[23:40:11] *** CharlieM75 has quit IRC[23:40:54] <Simn_> aho While a loading screen for example?[23:41:23] <aho> no, i mean you do it only once[23:41:24] *** Simn_ has quit IRC[23:41:30] <aho> on your ma...[23:41:33] <aho> ._.[23:42:11] <Agro> o[23:43:27] <aho> somewhat on topic: https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly[23:43:38] <aho> all the puppygames stuff[23:43:48] <aho> with source if the 150k goal is reached :>[23:45:00] <aho> it's currently at 95.7k[23:45:16] *** Simn_ has joined #lwjgl[23:45:54] <Simn_> aho Yeah, but what if someone wants two fonts in different style or size?[23:46:00] <aho> Simn_, aot = you do it once. on your machine. elsewhere, that stuff is just deserialized[23:46:35] <aho> like, i play mario... and then i want to change the font for the score to comic sans? :>[23:47:01] <aho> you probably won't need that kind of flexibility :>[23:47:19] <Simn_> aho No, but in the menus, you tend to have a 'titlefont' and a 'buttonfont'.[23:47:32] <Simn_> That's 4 seconds worth of time. :P[23:47:34] <aho> yea... so?[23:47:47] <aho> 4 seconds? for what?[23:47:59] <Simn_> To load the two fonts.[23:48:11] *** davedes has joined #lwjgl[23:49:09] <aho> loading one texture and some json/yaml/xml file for the glyph position/size + kerning pairs certainly won't take 2 seconds[23:49:58] <Simn_> aho What I do now is to pass it a java.awt.Font and draw a bitmap out of it and then loading it.[23:50:08] <Simn_> load it.*[23:50:18] <Simn_> It's like slick_util.[23:50:59] <Simn_> Maybe I'll just tell the user of the game engine to have paitience with this method and load it in a thread or something.[23:51:01] <aho> if you want speed, just load the texture and the glyph data[23:51:05] <aho> done.[23:51:19] <Simn_> But then I don't have flexibility. :P[23:51:33] <aho> provide a tool to generate this kind of "font"[23:51:40] <Simn_> Besides I already have a bitmap font class that basically does that already.[23:51:42] <aho> or refer them to an existing tool[23:51:47] <aho> there are dozens of those[23:52:10] <aho> i think i used the bmfont one[23:52:25] <aho> yea[23:52:26] <aho> http://www.angelcode.com/products/bmfont/[23:52:57] <aho> i used that plus a small tool which converts the xml to json[23:53:27] <nbf> don't use java2d if you want things to be fast[23:54:48] <Simn_> Okay, this is what I'm going to do: I'll say that if the user wants flexibility (s)he'll have to use TrueTypeFont, if the person wants speed, just create a bitmap from some sort of tool and give the path of the file to the BitmapFont class.[23:57:55] <cobolfoo> in the end truetype fonts are rendered to screen as a texture, it is the same, you don't give any choice :)