December 21, 2013 
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elements?[15:57:26] *** scanlonman has joined #lwjgl[16:01:38] <iamtakingiteasy> ah, nifty looks like it[16:03:08] <MatthiasM> TWL[16:03:21] <iamtakingiteasy> MatthiasM: did it got even mavenised?[16:03:30] <MatthiasM> I don't use Maven[16:03:34] <iamtakingiteasy> so i don't use TWL[16:03:45] <MatthiasM> well - bad for you then :)[16:03:53] <iamtakingiteasy> nifty is looking awesome[16:03:55] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[16:03:57] <iamtakingiteasy> and it do use maven[16:04:45] <iamtakingiteasy> so it could be plugged anywhere[16:05:02] *** devnewton has quit IRC[16:05:06] <iamtakingiteasy> without need to carry on any binary/source artifacts in your own distribution/codebase[16:06:38] *** darkfrog has joined #lwjgl[16:07:20] <iamtakingiteasy> i think, evertything which' authors are lazy enough to not push to central their library or which is crappy enough to not be pushed by some free contributors to the central is just should not be suggested to anyone, for better tomorrow[16:10:56] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[16:10:59] *** monty_slate1 has joined #lwjgl[16:11:51] <MatthiasM> lol[16:11:59] <MatthiasM> Maven is just useless overhead[16:13:04] <iamtakingiteasy> it is only thing which allows you to not duplicate code and binary artifacts all across your projects[16:13:21] <iamtakingiteasy> manage them and their dependencies with ease[16:13:47] <iamtakingiteasy> i mean, central servers[16:13:53] <iamtakingiteasy> you are free to choose any front-end[16:13:55] <MatthiasM> do what you want[16:14:24] <iamtakingiteasy> maven, ivy, grape, buildr, whatever[16:14:36] <iamtakingiteasy> everything is backed up by maven central[16:15:20] <iamtakingiteasy> if you don't care about your users - go on, be no match to nifty %)[16:16:30] <iamtakingiteasy> also it is not hard to push something to the central[16:17:12] <iamtakingiteasy> consider reading this great tutorial: https://docs.sonatype.org/display/Repository/Sonatype+OSS+Maven+Repository+Usage+Guide[16:17:25] <iamtakingiteasy> i really think you might have done something useful[16:17:42] <iamtakingiteasy> but until you push to the central - nobody will get chance to use it with ease[16:18:04] <iamtakingiteasy> and look if it is really good or not[16:25:22] <monty_slate1> maven[16:25:39] *** monty_slate1 is now known as monty_slate[16:25:53] *** Xardov has quit IRC[16:26:18] *** stroop has quit IRC[16:26:28] <monty_slate> what ever happened to good ol' ant[16:26:42] <iamtakingiteasy> it got deprecated[16:26:43] <MatthiasM> iamtakingiteasy: unless Maven works without disturbing the build process it a pile of shit[16:27:04] <iamtakingiteasy> MatthiasM: it does not disturbing the build process[16:27:08] <iamtakingiteasy> it IS a build process[16:27:27] <iamtakingiteasy> CI, also[16:27:38] <MatthiasM> and everything Maven based I tried to use so far required to build a custom Ant file as the Maven shit didn't worked because some incompatible/missing plugin bullshit[16:27:53] <iamtakingiteasy> wut[16:28:03] <MatthiasM> iamtakingiteasy: that's what I mean - I have a perfectly working build process with CI running over different OS[16:28:11] <iamtakingiteasy> you don't need to build anyt library with maven[16:28:25] <monty_slate> MatthiasM is our resident mavn evangelist :P[16:28:25] <iamtakingiteasy> you just reference it in your <dependency/> section[16:28:30] <MatthiasM> and I have no desire to destroy that just because some random guy wants to use maven[16:29:11] <iamtakingiteasy> no. i am not "the random guy who wants to use maven"[16:29:34] <MatthiasM> if maven would be a good system it would work without requiring changing every build process[16:29:36] <iamtakingiteasy> i am "the random guy who is not wanting to have any jar artifacts in his source code repo"[16:29:41] <MatthiasM> iamtakingiteasy: you are a random guy[16:29:44] <iamtakingiteasy> yep[16:29:50] <iamtakingiteasy> but i am different one :)[16:29:54] <MatthiasM> and one I don't care about at all[16:30:07] <iamtakingiteasy> so you don't care about your potential users[16:30:08] <iamtakingiteasy> fine[16:30:16] <iamtakingiteasy> thats why i am already using nifty[16:30:19] <iamtakingiteasy> because they do[16:30:29] <MatthiasM> you are no user - you would be wasting my time[16:30:40] <iamtakingiteasy> because you suggest me to waste mine[16:30:44] <iamtakingiteasy> and also space[16:30:52] <iamtakingiteasy> in my precious source code repo[16:31:12] <monty_slate> makin friends i see :P[16:31:30] <MatthiasM> lol[16:31:51] <MatthiasM> anyway - I have fun things to do - like playing D3 RoS Beta :)[16:46:52] *** peter1 has joined #lwjgl[16:56:41] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[17:02:24] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[17:09:17] *** stroop has quit IRC[17:16:39] <nbf> switching from ant to maven is like switching from manually installing software to using apt-get, yum, etc[17:20:48] *** 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