December 16, 2013 
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ra4king: bangarang[02:28:49] <nbf> fuck I love dragon's milk[02:29:02] <nbf> straight from smaug's teet[02:29:28] <nbf> err teat[02:29:44] <nbf> smaug's teats are like the finest breweries[02:33:24] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[03:27:46] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[04:00:26] *** Htbrdd has quit IRC[04:03:16] *** Htbrdd has joined #lwjgl[04:05:47] *** davedes has quit IRC[04:13:40] <djdduty> ra4king: well, it's all over... and I was finally getting to game code, too.[04:13:50] <djdduty> ra4king: http://www.djdduty.tk[04:16:39] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[04:59:36] *** Agro has quit IRC[06:00:05] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[06:07:14] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[06:17:31] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[06:27:16] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[06:32:48] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[06:36:41] *** bgilb2 has quit IRC[06:48:04] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[07:06:02] *** chuckles73_ has joined #lwjgl[07:08:51] *** chuckles73 has quit IRC[07:09:55] <ra4king> I feel so fat[07:28:27] *** stroop has 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#lwjgl[12:21:10] <monty_mobile> hello[12:23:27] <monty_mobile> peter otoole is dead[12:23:28] <monty_mobile> hmmm[12:23:40] <monty_mobile> caligula was terrible[12:23:55] <monty_mobile> lawrence of arabia mmm[12:24:16] *** domyos has quit IRC[12:29:54] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[12:41:00] *** djdduty has quit IRC[12:53:42] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Re: [RFE] LWJGL 3.0 <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4800.msg28124.html#msg28124>[12:57:03] *** AndChat| has joined #lwjgl[12:57:48] *** monty_mobile has quit IRC[13:01:12] *** AndChat| has quit IRC[13:03:09] *** Goddesen has quit IRC[13:19:05] *** erdos has joined #lwjgl[13:19:16] <erdos> hey there[13:19:45] <erdos> i'm looking for an offline version of the wiki, about to hop on a plane and i'd like to have a crack at properly digesting it all[13:21:26] *** devnewto1 has joined #lwjgl[13:24:41] <jezek2> erdos: try wget -r -np ;)[13:27:57] <erdos> okie dokie![13:28:04] <erdos> thanks![13:29:28] <erdos> hmmmm, it makes the filenames index.php?blahblahblah... so if i rename them to html the links won't work[13:29:34] <erdos> i guess i could just run a webserver[13:34:09] <erdos> oh wait that wouldn't work >_< anything after a ? is considered a get fragment[13:34:22] <erdos> or whatever it's called[13:34:24] <erdos> laaaame[13:39:58] *** stroop has quit IRC[13:43:54] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[13:48:47] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[13:52:42] *** devnewto1 has quit IRC[14:23:59] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[14:24:15] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Re: [RFE] LWJGL 3.0 <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,4800.msg28125.html#msg28125>[14:27:04] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[14:44:01] <jezek2> erdos: perhaps it can be configured in wget?[14:45:21] <erdos> yeah probs, just going through the examples online at the moment[14:45:40] <erdos> hey, do you think it's a good idea to learn opengl before i learn lwjgl?[14:46:19] <erdos> i mean i've got a little bit of game making experience, i've done stuff in libgdx, but i want to go closer to the wire and understand what i'm doing[14:46:28] <erdos> i want 3d but i'm not sure how deep to go :P[14:46:44] <erdos> can i do lwjgl 3d without being an expert in opengl?[14:53:18] <MatthiasM2> LWJGL is just a wrapper to access OpenGL from Java[14:53:29] <MatthiasM2> so in order to use LWJGL you need to learn OpenGL[14:54:07] <nbf> opengl isn't really that hard[14:54:27] <nbf> even the math is pretty easy as long as you can ASMD[14:55:09] <nbf> the math gets a little harder with very advanced techniques, but you won't be doing those for a while anyway ;)[14:55:52] <nbf> time to bike to work[14:56:08] <nbf> it's 10 degrees but feels like -1 (F cause that's how we roll in the states)[15:00:29] *** LepraHorst has joined #lwjgl[15:00:51] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[15:00:58] <erdos> lol[15:01:09] <erdos> thanks dude, even though you've probably already bailed[15:01:18] <MatthiasM2> it's time the US learn to use the SI system like everyone else[15:02:34] <erdos> MatthiasM2: ok so i'm looking at this book OpenGL Programming Guide...[15:02:36] <erdos> commit?[15:02:52] <MatthiasM2> no idea about GL books[15:03:00] <erdos> heh[15:03:07] <erdos> did you use the official docs?[15:03:20] <erdos> or just osmosis as you went along?[15:05:11] <MatthiasM2> well - docs, some online tutorials - but overall it's mostly trivial[15:05:27] <MatthiasM2> esp once you use shaders it's just coding[15:05:33] <erdos> hmm i see[15:05:49] <MatthiasM2> using the fixed function pipeline of OpenGL 1.x is much more complex[15:06:24] <erdos> i guess i'll just keep going with the lwgjl wiki for the moment, i know 'about' opengl from libgdx i just don't feel like i really know what's happening[15:06:40] <erdos> oh really? i thought fixed pipeline was easier because there was less to it?[15:27:56] *** lwjglbot has joined #lwjgl[15:27:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v lwjglbot[15:27:59] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Updating VBO data with glMapBuffer <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5274.msg28126.html#msg28126>[15:28:27] *** Morgawr_ is now known as Morgawr[15:28:31] *** Morgawr has joined #lwjgl[15:41:40] *** Gooogy has joined #lwjgl[15:59:52] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Re: [BUG] Display resizes/moves when you enable resizing <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5265.msg28127.html#msg28127>[16:02:19] <devnewton> erdos: check the target machines you want your program to run to, a lot of "old but still used" GPU does not support more than OpenGL 1.4[16:02:41] <erdos> thanks mate[16:03:12] <erdos> totally at the learning/theory stage at the moment, but i'll keep that in mind[16:07:15] <devnewton> http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html Shit 99,9% of android device have better OpenGL support than my desktop computer :'-([16:07:25] <erdos> lol[16:08:37] <jezek2> devnewton: what do you have, some old intel gpu? even then it most likely support ARB_fragment_program extension and VBOs as extension too :)[16:09:02] <jezek2> devnewton: you can compile GLSL to these using nvidia Cg compiler[16:09:49] <devnewton> I have got a netbook with an Intel 945 GM and a desktop computer with intel GMA 950[16:13:26] *** badlogic has quit IRC[16:13:26] *** Dashiva has quit IRC[16:14:02] *** MachineMuse has quit IRC[16:14:03] *** jezek2 has quit IRC[16:14:07] *** MMuse has joined #lwjgl[16:14:08] <devnewton> I'd like to upgrade, but I dont want to waste perfectly working computers[16:14:08] *** Dashimon has joined #lwjgl[16:14:08] *** Dashimon has joined #lwjgl[16:14:11] *** jezek2_ has joined #lwjgl[16:14:44] *** Dashimon is now known as Dashiva[16:16:40] <devnewton> but I think they wont die by themselves[16:18:20] *** badlogic has joined #lwjgl[16:20:01] <nbf> MatthiasM2: as an american I'm totally fine with switching to SI units[16:20:26] <nbf> really we already have in every place that matters (engineering, etc)[16:20:39] <nbf> just in day to day bullshit we're talking hogsheads and whatnot lol[16:20:59] <nbf> I think my nipples froze a bit on the way to work[16:26:12] *** lwjglbot` has joined #lwjgl[16:26:12] *** lwjglbot has quit IRC[16:27:57] *** lwjglbot` is now known as lwjglbot[16:28:00] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v lwjglbot[16:30:00] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Re: Updating VBO data with glMapBuffer <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5274.msg28130.html#msg28130> || Re: setFullscreen(false) weird behavior <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5273.msg28129.html#msg28129> || Re: DisplayMode and Fullscreen <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5271.msg28128.html#msg28128>[16:40:40] <MatthiasM2> nbf: wtf is a hogsheads?[16:42:02] *** stroop has quit IRC[16:45:18] *** Dashimon has joined #lwjgl[16:45:24] *** Dashimon has joined #lwjgl[16:48:24] <nbf> haha no idea[16:48:33] <nbf> but I just looked up obsolete units of measure[16:48:38] <nbf> and found the BEST unit type EVER[16:48:46] <nbf> I give you:[16:48:47] <nbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(unit)[16:48:50] <nbf> The 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Is it renamed or something?[21:33:34] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[21:35:47] <Simn_> Just renamed the liblwjgl.jnilib to liblwjgl.dylib and it worked.[21:42:24] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[21:45:56] *** Simn_ has quit IRC[21:47:23] *** MatthiasM has joined #lwjgl[21:54:15] *** void256 has joined #lwjgl[22:08:12] *** Tonux has quit IRC[22:23:34] *** MatthiasM_ has joined #lwjgl[22:26:38] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[22:26:45] *** MatthiasM_ is now known as MatthiasM[22:31:59] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[22:32:33] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[22:33:04] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[22:33:08] *** meoblast has joined #lwjgl[22:34:07] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[22:34:39] *** meoblast has quit IRC[22:35:00] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[22:45:02] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[22:47:53] <ZeuPiark> bye[22:48:22] *** MatthiasM has joined #lwjgl[22:48:22] *** MatthiasM has joined #lwjgl[22:52:26] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[22:55:53] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[22:56:27] *** DroneZeRo has joined #lwjgl[23:00:05] *** stroop has quit IRC[23:01:25] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[23:07:10] *** devnewton has quit IRC[23:26:20] *** stroop has joined #lwjgl[23:32:39] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[23:38:58] *** void256 has quit IRC[23:44:31] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[23:46:50] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl