December 7, 2013 
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December 7, 2013 [00:10:03] *** void256 has joined #lwjgl[00:10:43] *** devnewton has quit IRC[00:11:28] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[00:15:00] *** Sam4242 has quit IRC[00:17:26] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[00:21:36] *** Gooogy11 has joined #lwjgl[00:32:39] *** void256_ has joined #lwjgl[00:34:17] *** void256 has quit IRC[00:34:21] *** void256_ is now known as void256[00:45:42] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[00:46:35] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[00:50:17] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[01:02:55] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[01:16:48] *** Sam4242 has joined #lwjgl[01:30:55] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[01:31:04] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[01:34:56] *** bgilb has joined #lwjgl[01:42:27] *** fella7s has joined #lwjgl[01:45:25] *** fella6s has quit IRC[01:46:21] *** Epowerj has quit IRC[01:56:59] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[02:00:25] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[02:22:50] *** Norbo11 has quit IRC[02:35:10] <monty_hall1> hello[02:35:15] *** monty_hall1 is now known as monty_hall[02:40:18] <monty_hall> walking dead is getting boring[02:40:34] <monty_hall> it all went down hill after the prison occupation[02:46:04] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[02:50:49] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[02:52:39] <monty_hall> <.<[02:52:43] <monty_hall> >.>[03:07:02] *** void256 has quit IRC[03:07:38] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[03:08:12] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[03:09:54] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[03:10:34] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[03:11:18] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[03:11:59] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[03:13:14] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[03:19:55] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[03:20:29] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[03:39:11] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[03:48:23] *** Gooogy11 has quit IRC[03:55:47] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[03:58:37] <monty_hall> nbf: http://bizbeatblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/cadillac-unveils-luxury-coupe-concept-at-california-show.html/[04:04:15] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[04:24:51] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[04:28:15] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[04:30:03] *** MMuse has joined #lwjgl[04:30:10] *** Epowerj has quit IRC[04:32:07] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[04:32:20] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[04:32:28] *** MachineMuse has quit IRC[05:19:20] *** steve__ has joined #lwjgl[05:35:53] <steve__> hi...this is the same library used in minecraft, right?[05:43:39] <steve__> the last "shipped" version seems to be almost a year old. Is there a recommended more stable version?[05:43:47] <steve__> (more recent) stable version?[05:46:58] <jezek2> steve__: we don't provide minecraft support, contact mojang with this[05:48:11] <steve__> no[05:48:45] <steve__> not a minecraft question. but the point is minecraft is working great, so I should be able to program against this library on this same laptop.[05:49:02] <steve__> but I think they got a different version than me, cause I can't[05:49:52] <steve__> the "stable" version of lwjgl seems to be a year old, but I see that a fix I probably need was put in 2 days later[05:50:33] <steve__> specifically the openGL parts.[05:50:34] <jezek2> 2.9.1 is the latest and "stable"[05:51:56] <jezek2> it's all on the website[05:52:05] <steve__> http://www.lwjgl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Version_selection example[05:52:13] <steve__> doesn't work , get this error[05:52:14] <steve__> org.lwjgl.LWJGLException: Could not create context (WGL_ARB_create_context) at org.lwjgl.opengl.WindowsContextImplementation.nCreate(Native Method)[05:55:11] <steve__> this is the laptop model....http://laptops-and-notebooks.findthebest.com/l/647/Portege-R835-P83[05:56:29] <steve__> but logically, since minecraft works, and they are using the latest "stable" build,...the examples for openGL should work?[05:56:51] <steve__> (or do those guys have some mod'd version of lwjgl?)[05:57:05] <steve__> (or they aren't using openGL to do all that?)[05:57:51] <steve__> just trying to eliminate possible issues before resorting to taking a less stable build.[06:04:32] <jezek2> there is no "stable" build of LWJGL... 2.x is stable branch, 3.x is still in early development[06:04:37] <jezek2> so 2.9.1 is the latest and stable[06:04:43] <jezek2> so just use that[06:05:47] <steve__> that's what I did.[06:06:44] <steve__> latest stuff in GIT seems to be at 2.9.2[06:07:37] <steve__> http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=4848.0[06:08:38] <steve__> that url has same error message. The fix mentioned there would seem to be later by 2 days than the binary available for 2.9.1[06:08:53] <steve__> Are you guys all building lwjgl from source?[06:08:58] <jezek2> are you trying to get opengl 3.x context or 2.1? minecraft is using 2.1[06:09:08] <jezek2> no we use the prebuild package[06:09:36] <steve__> // Use a specified version of OpenGL - namely version 3.2 private void specifiedCreate() { PixelFormat pixelFormat = new PixelFormat(); ContextAttribs contextAtrributes = new ContextAttribs(3, 2)[06:09:43] <steve__> the example uses 3.2[06:10:18] <steve__> changing the vals gives Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Profiles are only supported on OpenGL version 3.2 or higher.[06:10:47] <jezek2> the normalCreate() method is for obtaining 2.1 context[06:12:12] <jezek2> of course it's advisable to start developing using 3.x, so if 2.1 is working fine but 3.x not, try posting on the forum with a bug report, or try googling some more maybe there is someone with the same problem[06:12:25] <jezek2> if even 2.1 is not working something is quite bad :)[06:12:30] <steve__> that seemd to work somewhat...[06:12:41] <jezek2> also what OS do you use[06:12:45] <jezek2> ?[06:13:03] <steve__> it now ouputs this.....OpenGL version: 3.0.0 - Build 8.15.10.2353 (which I'm not sure why this didnt' come up 2.1) (this is Win7pro)[06:17:37] <steve__> so does this mean my laptop only goes up to 3.0 ? I guess that's what I needed then....THANKS![06:18:01] <steve__> I just commented out the "specifiedCreate" stuff in that example.[06:37:18] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[06:38:22] <jezek2> steve__: you could try upgrading the drivers[06:38:37] *** ra4king_home has joined #lwjgl[06:38:50] <jezek2> but I'm not that familiar with intel gpus[06:39:16] *** ra4king_ has joined #lwjgl[06:39:28] *** ra4king_ is now known as ra4king_home[06:39:34] <ra4king_home> hai[06:40:36] <steve__> so I guess I should be looking at the "legacy OpenGL" examples instead of the "openGL 3.2 and newer" ??[06:40:45] <ra4king_home> steve__: why?[06:41:16] <jezek2> ra4king_home: just looks at the logs just before you connected[06:41:17] <steve__> (not clear where 3.0 falls between "legacy" and "3.2")[06:41:26] <ra4king_home> jezek2: eh, too much work :D[06:41:31] <ra4king_home> steve__: you can still use core with 3.0[06:41:43] <ra4king_home> well, it's technically not core since "core" is 3.1+[06:41:55] <ra4king_home> but with 3.0 you can use shaders + VAO and VBO[06:42:02] <ra4king_home> and that's basically all you need[06:42:26] <steve__> ok, so follow those examples and comment out the "profile" stuff?[06:42:40] <steve__> (and maybe some other nasty surprises along the way)[06:42:56] <ra4king_home> shaders should be version #130[06:44:36] <ra4king_home> steve__: what code uses 3.2 btw? let me take a look at it[06:44:58] <steve__> i think you are saying the shader stuff in "legacy" examples didn't change in 3.x , but maybe I have to use that constant to tell it to use particular kind of shader?[06:45:18] <steve__> public void setupOpenGL() { // Setup an OpenGL context with API version 3.2 try { PixelFormat pixelFormat = new PixelFormat(); ContextAttribs contextAtrributes = new ContextAttribs(3, 0) //bugbug the highest this laptop goes .withForwardCompatible(true); //.withProfileCore(true); //not allowed until 3.2[06:45:34] <steve__> .[06:46:26] <ra4king_home> yeah just do Display.create() without any of that stuff[06:46:42] <steve__> reference : http://lwjgl.org/wiki/index.php?title=The_Quad_with_DrawArrays[06:46:46] <ra4king_home> none of that is necessary since profiles and version selection is usually for 3.1+ stuff[06:47:26] <ra4king_home> steve__: line 60: change to Display.create();[06:47:27] <steve__> yes I got that working in different example, using the simple create.[06:48:38] <ra4king_home> wow that example you linked doesn't even use shaders[06:48:40] <steve__> ok, and I've done it here in the referenced example as well[06:48:43] <ra4king_home> hmm[06:48:52] <steve__> (I am just trying to START a project)[06:49:07] <ra4king_home> I have a tutorial that was built for 3.3+ so I can't exactly link you that[06:49:27] <steve__> (right now, trying to decide to use java/lwjgl OR go to just C/C# on Direct3D (which I've done before)[06:50:09] <steve__> I'll try the other examples and get as much working as I can. I think I can find a GL 3.0 ref somewhere[06:50:21] *** skoskav has quit IRC[06:50:48] <steve__> (trying to make the game work on more than just Windows)[06:50:59] <ra4king_home> java+lwjgl ftw[06:51:43] <steve__> (need to see it work first, so I'm just prototyping now.[06:55:36] <steve__> but if community support is the issue, lwjgl already wins..... (and I say this having previously worked at msft)[07:01:13] <ra4king_home> oh wow[07:01:16] <ra4king_home> that's pretty neat![07:07:03] *** ra4king_home has quit IRC[07:16:25] *** steve__ has left #lwjgl[07:26:42] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[07:31:08] *** skoskav has quit IRC[07:40:03] *** UltimateBudgie has joined #lwjgl[07:40:40] <UltimateBudgie> Hello[07:40:54] <UltimateBudgie> Can anyone link me to good basic LWJGL tutorials?[08:04:11] *** skoskav has joined #lwjgl[08:04:35] *** bgilb has quit IRC[08:22:11] *** spoonmanau has joined #lwjgl[08:25:41] *** spoonmanau has quit IRC[08:28:19] *** bmahe has joined #lwjgl[08:33:15] *** bmahe has quit IRC[08:38:31] *** peter1 has joined #lwjgl[08:44:22] *** Sam4242 has quit IRC[08:47:28] *** bmahe has joined #lwjgl[08:55:07] *** Souliloquy has joined #lwjgl[08:56:21] *** leprahorst has joined #lwjgl[09:05:21] *** leprahorst has quit IRC[09:07:57] *** peter1 has joined #lwjgl[09:08:49] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[09:15:23] *** purestrain has joined #lwjgl[09:20:25] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[09:39:12] *** ra4king_home has joined #lwjgl[09:39:48] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[09:48:10] <nbf> monty_hall: yeah the elmiraj is pimp[09:48:34] <nbf> it's going to productiont oo[09:48:39] <nbf> its time to make the donuts[09:50:06] *** purestrain has quit IRC[09:54:46] *** Willchill has joined #lwjgl[09:55:06] <Willchill> Hulloooo x3[09:57:10] <lrh9> Hello.[10:01:05] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[10:01:22] <ra4king_home> goddamn so bored[10:01:22] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[10:01:38] <ra4king_home> I go to bed at 1am, only to give up trying to fall asleep at 2am[10:01:41] <ra4king_home> it's currently 4am[10:01:48] * ra4king_home sits bored[10:01:53] * ra4king_home slaps nbf around[10:01:57] * ra4king_home pokes Willchill[10:01:57] <nbf> I fell asleep at like 5:30 pm yesterday haha[10:02:01] * ra4king_home boops lrh9[10:02:05] <ra4king_home> yes! someone is alive![10:02:11] <ra4king_home> nbf: jeez![10:02:15] <lrh9> Heyo.[10:02:16] <nbf> my upper body is sore as hell[10:02:16] <Willchill> Ouch, that hurt. x[[10:02:17] <ra4king_home> I woke up at 4pm[10:02:21] <ra4king_home> I've been awake for 12 hours now[10:02:46] <nbf> sucks, I hate it when your schedule gets out of whack[10:02:55] <ra4king_home> it really does suck[10:03:16] <ra4king_home> my sleeping schedule went out of whack for a week a while ago and I missed half my classes that week from oversleeping[10:03:19] <nbf> mines off now but it's usually better to get up really early than really late[10:04:11] <nbf> maybe just struggle through it, say up and go to sleep at like 7-8 PM[10:05:31] <ra4king_home> heh[10:05:37] <ra4king_home> nbf: well I've gotta be up at 7am[10:05:46] <ra4king_home> so I've decided to pull off an all nighter[10:05:54] <ra4king_home> no way am I sleeping < 3 hours heh[10:06:08] <ra4king_home> and worst part: I forgot my teamviewer password = can't get into my computer :([10:07:25] <ra4king> holy shit never mind I remember it![10:07:37] *** ra4king_home has quit IRC[10:13:20] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[10:37:58] *** bmahe has quit IRC[10:52:01] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[11:07:08] *** Raven67854_ has joined #lwjgl[11:09:51] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[11:41:02] *** devnewton has quit IRC[11:56:40] <Grum> Still no mvn artifacts about: http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/lwjgl/ :([12:31:28] <MatthiasM> nobody uses maven[12:47:29] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[12:51:48] *** aho has joined #lwjgl[12:52:11] <nbf> lol[12:52:21] <nbf> maven is the standard these days[12:54:17] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has joined #lwjgl[13:13:33] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[13:34:31] *** UltimateBudgie has quit IRC[13:37:32] *** djdduty has quit IRC[13:41:58] <nbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Wichman[13:42:25] <nbf> that's cool, I didn't know rogue was made by a michigan guy[14:05:32] *** Gooogy11 has joined #lwjgl[14:28:35] *** Gooogy11 has quit IRC[14:28:44] <monty_hall> I guess that's cool[14:28:55] *** Gooogy11 has joined #lwjgl[14:29:05] <monty_hall> the guys who created digital enterainment network during dot.bomb were also from bay city[14:29:44] <monty_hall> they fled to spain and were busted by interpol - the lead guy was busted for being a pedophile :P[14:30:48] <monty_hall> among embezzement or some type of funds management (which was the primary reason the authorities were after him)[14:31:50] *** Gooogy12 has joined #lwjgl[14:33:13] *** Gooogy11 has quit IRC[14:35:03] <monty_hall> why oh why couldn't I have been part of the action back then[14:38:55] *** Gooogy12 has quit IRC[14:44:01] <monty_hall> ..not the pedophila I mean[14:48:16] <monty_hall> with all the money being thrown around back then I would have bought a nice chair, computer, a pony, and a car.[14:48:38] <monty_hall> I had an idea for 24 hour waffle delivery - it still would work[14:48:46] <monty_hall> iWaffle.com[14:49:02] <monty_hall> I can just taste the money[14:49:15] <monty_hall> har har har - oh I made a pun[14:53:14] *** Goddesen has joined #lwjgl[14:56:19] *** Gooogy11 has joined #lwjgl[14:58:46] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[15:02:02] *** Gooogy12 has joined #lwjgl[15:03:31] *** MatthiasM_ has joined #lwjgl[15:04:35] *** Gooogy13 has joined #lwjgl[15:05:05] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[15:05:12] *** MatthiasM_ is now known as MatthiasM[15:05:28] *** Gooogy11 has quit IRC[15:06:17] *** Gooogy12 has quit IRC[15:15:38] <lrh9> Anybody working on any lwjgl projects?[15:28:13] *** Willchill has quit IRC[15:42:02] *** Gooogy13 is now known as Googy[15:42:53] *** Googy is now known as Gooogy[16:16:45] *** kappaOne has joined #lwjgl[16:21:51] *** Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854[16:31:10] *** CharlieM75 has joined #lwjgl[16:32:45] *** CharlieM751 has quit IRC[16:42:15] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[16:42:16] *** mononofu has quit IRC[16:42:17] *** ra4king has quit IRC[16:42:18] *** Mazon has quit IRC[16:42:18] *** Unimatrix325 has quit IRC[16:42:19] *** Jonas__ has quit 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ZeuPiark has quit IRC[18:10:23] *** ZeroDivided has joined #lwjgl[18:10:45] <ZeroDivided> Hi, will TWL work in OpenGL 3.2?[18:11:11] <ZeroDivided> It looks like slick util fonts wont.[18:11:50] <MatthiasM> ZeroDivided: depends on the render you use[18:11:58] *** ra4king has quit IRC[18:11:59] <MatthiasM> the included one is GL 1.x[18:12:17] <ZeroDivided> So I will have to write my own renderer?[18:12:24] <MatthiasM> but you can easily plug in a different renderer[18:12:38] <MatthiasM> yes, I didn't had the need yet to create a GL 3.x app[18:12:58] <MatthiasM> GL 1.x works fine for most things[18:13:11] <ZeroDivided> I'm just learning OpenGL and everything I read has suggested that I learn 3.2 or greater[18:13:30] <MatthiasM> well - that depends on what you want to do[18:13:57] <ZeroDivided> Can I do realtime lighting in 1.x?[18:14:18] <MatthiasM> nothing prevents you from using GL 1.x - 2.x you can still use shaders in GL 2.0[18:14:42] <ZeroDivided> I see[18:15:39] <MatthiasM> only thing not available in 2.x is VAO[18:15:54] <MatthiasM> VBOs are available starting from 1.5[18:16:08] <MatthiasM> FBO and shaders in 2.1[18:16:16] <MatthiasM> PBOs are also available[18:16:35] <ZeroDivided> ok so maybe I won't use 3.2[18:18:50] <ZeroDivided> Thanks for the advice[18:22:48] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[18:32:10] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[18:33:40] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[18:45:43] *** ra4king has joined #lwjgl[18:48:36] *** ra4king1 has joined #lwjgl[18:49:31] *** ra4king2 has joined #lwjgl[18:52:15] *** ra4king has quit IRC[18:52:42] *** ra4king1 has quit IRC[18:55:38] *** aho has quit IRC[18:57:57] *** nephilim_ has quit IRC[19:00:27] <nbf> 3~http://www.pbfcomics.com/261/[19:00:29] <nbf> http://www.pbfcomics.com/261/[19:06:45] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[19:21:30] <monty_hall> I guess I'd say yes too[19:39:29] <monty_hall> Ain't nothing but a G thang, baby. Two loc'ed out niggas so we're crazy[19:41:53] *** Jonas__ is now known as soundlust[19:42:03] <nbf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLErHsuhNoY[19:42:38] *** soundlust is now known as soundlust__[19:42:46] <monty_hall> that's not bad actually[19:44:05] *** soundlust__ is now known as Jonas__[19:49:07] <nbf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNx9_yBDVQ[19:51:35] <nbf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoeStB36dic[19:53:06] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[19:53:40] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[19:55:24] <monty_hall> whoa[19:55:32] <monty_hall> a virtual rip off[19:58:43] <monty_hall> "I damn near got capped because my beeper kept beeping"[19:59:12] <monty_hall> you need to put some og hydraulics on your v[19:59:23] <monty_hall> drive down the highway with only three wheels :P[20:14:55] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[20:50:56] *** bmahe has joined #lwjgl[21:19:07] *** peter1 has quit IRC[21:26:45] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[22:05:08] *** Sam4242 has joined #lwjgl[22:07:17] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[22:10:07] *** Norbo11 has quit IRC[22:45:54] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[23:31:48] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[23:33:01] *** kappaOne has quit IRC[23:39:34] *** bmahe has quit IRC[23:41:16] *** Simn_ has joined #lwjgl[23:51:57] <ZeuPiark> hello