December 6, 2013 
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December 6, 2013 [00:24:07] *** djdoody has joined #lwjgl[00:40:32] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[00:42:11] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[01:02:27] *** djdoody_ has joined #lwjgl[01:02:58] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[01:02:59] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[01:05:08] *** djdoody has quit IRC[01:08:44] *** kappaOne has quit IRC[01:14:11] *** JudauVidan has quit IRC[01:16:09] <nbf> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-05/california-tesla-has-now-been-bought-bitcoin[01:16:32] <nbf> I'm starting to feel dumb for mocking that diablo guy[01:18:20] <jezek2> bitcoin is suddendly quite popular these days[01:18:49] <jezek2> I guess people really love pyramid schemes :)[01:19:50] <jezek2> and having public records of every transaction ;)[01:21:17] <nbf> I was reading about that the other day[01:21:28] <nbf> and how you have to launder bitcoins if you want to hide the transactions[01:21:39] <nbf> and that there are even companies that do this for people lol[01:21:50] <nbf> there's also a new form of bitcoin that does away with it though[01:21:56] <nbf> makes them untraceable[01:22:29] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[01:24:01] <jezek2> yeah[01:24:43] <jezek2> I think the only interesting thing is the bitpay.com service as it's a nice no-risk alternative to paypal[01:29:57] *** Nibato has quit IRC[02:16:26] *** Gooogy10 has quit IRC[02:28:32] <monty_hall> hello[02:30:44] <monty_hall> I've asked to be paid in bitcoin[02:30:51] <monty_hall> my boss laughed[02:31:06] <monty_hall> and I called him a fool and said that time will prove me right.[02:31:19] <monty_hall> :P[02:37:03] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[02:43:12] *** djdoody has joined #lwjgl[02:45:38] *** djdoody_ has quit IRC[02:51:13] *** FmOut has quit IRC[03:13:50] *** djdoody has quit IRC[03:16:21] <monty_hall> a wise man named zardoz once told me "the gun is good, the penis is evil"[03:22:47] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[03:29:33] *** ruben01 has quit IRC[03:52:06] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[06:03:53] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[06:14:53] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[07:15:22] *** bgilb has quit IRC[08:00:20] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[08:04:15] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[08:08:15] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[08:09:32] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[08:19:49] <ra4king> monty_hall: your face is evil[08:41:57] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[08:47:07] *** aho has joined #lwjgl[09:07:12] *** Goddesen has joined #lwjgl[09:25:43] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[09:26:25] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[09:27:26] *** monty_hall1 has joined #lwjgl[09:28:14] *** badlogic has quit IRC[09:30:17] *** ivan\_ has joined #lwjgl[09:32:02] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[09:32:44] *** badlogic has joined #lwjgl[09:34:55] *** devnewton has quit IRC[09:34:56] *** ivan\ has quit IRC[09:34:56] *** monty_hall has quit IRC[09:35:26] *** ivan\_ is now known as ivan\[09:39:41] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[10:16:52] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[10:37:03] *** iamtakingiteasy has quit IRC[10:47:21] *** fella6s has quit IRC[10:47:47] *** fella6s has joined #lwjgl[10:49:42] *** aho has quit IRC[11:18:22] *** Xardov has joined #lwjgl[11:31:15] *** Xardov has quit IRC[11:35:27] <Grum> Would anyone know where to get 2.9.1 maven artifacts? seems it hasn't been uploaded (or it has but not made its way into maven central)[12:20:57] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[12:24:36] *** FmOut has joined #lwjgl[12:34:40] *** MachineMuse has quit IRC[12:34:56] *** MachineMuse has joined #lwjgl[12:40:11] *** FmOut has quit IRC[12:40:26] *** FmOut has joined #lwjgl[12:41:11] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[12:41:53] <lrh9> Hello.[12:47:02] *** FmOut has quit IRC[13:19:10] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[13:36:44] *** Gooogy10 has joined #lwjgl[13:55:17] *** djdduty has quit IRC[13:57:14] *** LepraHorst has joined #lwjgl[14:14:20] *** Hanack has quit IRC[14:17:50] *** Nibato has joined #lwjgl[14:19:52] <lrh9> Good morning.[14:32:40] *** mr_monty has joined #lwjgl[14:32:44] <mr_monty> good morning[14:32:59] <mr_monty> the webchat capthca is getting pretty f'ing hard[14:33:12] <mr_monty> reminds me of ntfs4g - impossible[14:33:22] <lrh9> Good morning.[14:33:43] <lrh9> Are there any advantages to interleaving vertex data?[14:34:02] <mr_monty> I'd have to think locality[14:34:28] <mr_monty> given that you'll need position, normal, texture, color info[14:34:41] <mr_monty> but I'm pulling that out of my arse[14:36:35] <lrh9> Thanks.[14:37:14] <jezek2> lrh9: yeah it has better locality, however if you need to update just some vertex attribute dynamically (eg. update just positions) it's better to separate it out (so having combination of interleaved and separate data)[14:38:59] <lrh9> I'm trying to wrap my head around using VAOs and VBOs, and either I'm not understanding it or I'm doing something wrong. You can only have one VAO bound at a time correct? So what's the point of having a buffer if you have to release it and then buffer the data again next frame?[14:50:07] <jezek2> isn't VAO just a structure describing the vertex layout?[14:50:22] <jezek2> it basically saves you to call glVertexPointer etc. all the time and it's also more performant[14:50:29] <jezek2> (slightly)[14:50:49] <jezek2> so no messing with the actual data[14:51:41] <lrh9> I thought the point of modern OpenGL was to buffer data on the GPU as much as possible. It seems to defeat the point if that buffer gets cleared each frame.[15:01:35] <jezek2> where do you get that idea of clearing?[15:01:50] <jezek2> setting VAO to use is just setting pointer to it, you just choose which one you want to be active at the time[15:01:59] <jezek2> no messing with buffers data[15:04:13] <lrh9> I got a good explanation on AfterNET #gamedev.[15:05:08] <lrh9> Thanks.[15:12:53] <lrh9> I was thinking that when you unbind an object you lose the data buffered in it, but I was informed that wasn't the case. The examples make a lot more sense now.[15:30:41] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[15:46:06] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[16:14:23] *** ra4king1 has joined #lwjgl[16:16:03] *** Sam4242 has joined #lwjgl[16:16:56] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[16:19:25] *** ra4king has quit IRC[16:23:05] *** ra4king1 has quit IRC[16:23:25] *** ra4king1 has joined #lwjgl[16:26:15] *** ra4king2 has joined #lwjgl[16:27:46] *** ra4king1 has quit IRC[16:57:24] <mr_monty> go away :P[16:59:39] <lrh9> Anyone have experience using the Artemis Entity System?[17:46:01] *** devnewton has quit IRC[17:52:32] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[17:52:43] *** Gooogy11 has joined #lwjgl[17:52:55] *** Gooogy10 has quit IRC[17:53:11] *** mononofu has quit IRC[17:54:07] *** MatthiasM has joined #lwjgl[17:55:14] *** mononofu has joined #lwjgl[18:50:44] *** Dragonene has quit IRC[18:51:49] *** Gooogy11 has quit IRC[18:53:12] *** delt0r has quit IRC[18:54:15] *** delt0r has joined #lwjgl[18:55:37] *** delt0r has quit IRC[18:56:19] *** delt0r has joined #lwjgl[18:58:38] <mr_monty> there are too many people joining and quitting :P[18:59:14] <lrh9> In some channels that's a temp ban.[19:07:28] <mr_monty> ra4king2: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/05/health/youn-pot-moobs/index.html[19:07:47] <mr_monty> you probably had them before XD[19:11:58] *** Goddesen has quit IRC[19:12:39] *** Dragonene_ has joined #lwjgl[19:31:31] <mr_monty> I was looking @ page on megalomania - I see that davros of the daleks made it[19:31:39] <mr_monty> s/page/wiki page[19:35:52] *** LepraHorst has quit IRC[19:45:06] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[20:04:07] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has joined #lwjgl[20:16:43] *** MachineMuse has quit IRC[20:23:31] *** MachineMuse has joined #lwjgl[20:28:18] <lrh9> I implemented the DrawArrays example with the Artemis Entity System. I feel like five kinds of awesome right now.[20:39:07] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[20:57:42] <mr_monty> heard of entity systems[20:57:55] <mr_monty> should read up on them[21:22:53] <mr_monty> interesting[21:24:10] *** ra4king2 is now known as ra4king[21:24:23] <ra4king> monty_hall1: oof moobs[21:24:26] <ra4king> sucks for those who have them[21:24:54] <ra4king> I used to have moobs then they mostly disappeared in the 35 pounds I lost[21:30:37] <nbf> founder breakfast stout is pretty awesome[21:30:40] <nbf> *Founders[21:49:31] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has quit IRC[21:53:45] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[21:54:11] <mr_monty> suckas[22:03:26] <mr_monty> so you burnt off your moobs thru diet and exercise?[22:13:47] *** Epowerj has quit IRC[22:14:16] <mr_monty> http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/10/man-bras-for-bigger-pecs-are-finally-here/[22:14:18] <mr_monty> fascinating[22:18:27] <nbf> its funny how it also include fake delts, biceps and tris[22:18:28] <nbf> lol[22:19:43] <nbf> worked out at lifetime with one of these they just got in: http://www.lifefitness.com/static-assets/image/products/commercial/hammerstrength/benchesandracks/ProductDetail_Overview_inset_images/CS_HSBenchRack_ProdDet_Overview_System2.jpg[22:19:48] <nbf> part of the alpha program[22:20:16] <nbf> http://www.wearealpha.com/page/show/450539-every-mortal-has-a-limit-[22:20:44] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[22:25:57] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[22:46:43] *** langkid1 has quit IRC[22:47:17] *** langkid1 has joined #lwjgl[23:04:06] <lrh9> How do you guys do input handling? I was thinking about letting each object that could potentially be interested in input have a finite state machine that would accept input events and perform actions and transition as necessary. Is that a good design or do you recommend something else?[23:04:37] <nbf> I usually just go with an observer pattern setup[23:18:32] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[23:28:41] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[23:31:22] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[23:38:03] <mr_monty> you've got some might big moobs there[23:48:04] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[23:56:16] <ra4king> hahaha I saw that[23:59:06] *** mr_monty has quit IRC