December 5, 2013 
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December 5, 2013 [00:11:29] *** Goddesen has joined #lwjgl[00:15:11] *** DrShoggoth has quit IRC[00:42:45] <monty_hall> sup[00:51:12] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[00:55:16] *** Agro has quit IRC[01:02:14] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[01:28:00] *** MachineMuse has quit IRC[01:29:05] <monty_hall> I overheard a german colleague say that german food tastes better in the us :P[01:29:07] *** MachineMuse has joined #lwjgl[01:29:50] <monty_hall> speaking of food getting americanized :P[01:30:45] <monty_hall> africanized bees[01:32:43] <monty_hall> japanified[01:33:54] <monty_hall> chinafied, indianized[01:41:32] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[01:49:17] <nbf> mmm bees[01:49:59] <nbf> well german immigrants are one of the largest groups I believe[01:50:09] <nbf> my family is like 2/3 german[01:50:45] <nbf> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_American[01:50:50] <nbf> yeah they're the largest ethnic group[02:14:43] *** l3dx has quit IRC[02:14:57] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[02:24:07] <aho> as a german, i'm not quite sure what "german food" is supposed to be :>[02:27:01] <nbf> hamburgers of course[02:27:16] *** jjs has joined #lwjgl[02:27:45] <aho> of course! :>[02:27:47] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[02:29:09] <nbf> it is funny though, like food in the states[02:29:28] <nbf> "food" in say the southwest is pretty different from say the east coast[02:32:28] <nbf> when I think of german food, I think sauerkraut, bratwurst, liverwurst, pumpernickle[02:32:48] <nbf> I always hated sauerkraut as a kid but love it now[02:32:52] <nbf> I think it was just too intense[02:44:43] *** bgilb has joined #lwjgl[02:58:07] *** meoblast001 has joined #lwjgl[03:10:46] *** Agro has quit IRC[03:29:56] *** Gooogy10 has quit IRC[03:30:56] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[03:32:48] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[03:49:21] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: My text renderer is coloring my screen black <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5263.msg28077.html#msg28077>[03:51:39] *** ruben011 has quit IRC[04:06:13] *** Irrelium has quit IRC[04:52:35] *** monty_slate has quit IRC[05:47:22] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[05:52:22] <monty_hall> http://www.smartplanet.com/photos/impressive-3d-printing-failures-photos/[05:52:24] <monty_hall> meh[06:05:53] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[06:10:00] *** jjs has quit IRC[06:14:17] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[06:16:06] *** Raven67854 has joined #lwjgl[06:29:41] *** Unimatrix325 has joined #lwjgl[06:52:31] *** Goddesen has quit IRC[06:54:03] *** djdduty has joined #lwjgl[06:56:27] *** Unimatrix325 has quit IRC[07:06:55] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[07:16:47] *** meoblast001 has quit IRC[07:20:28] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[07:52:27] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[08:01:47] *** aho has quit IRC[08:18:32] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[08:26:12] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[08:59:16] *** bmahe has joined #lwjgl[08:59:17] *** bmahe has joined #lwjgl[10:06:17] *** l3dx has quit IRC[10:06:18] *** l3dx has joined #lwjgl[10:52:57] *** monty_slate has joined #lwjgl[10:57:27] *** 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*** badlogic1 has joined #lwjgl[13:56:39] *** djdoody has quit IRC[14:30:22] *** lrh9 has joined #lwjgl[14:46:22] *** peter1 has joined #lwjgl[14:46:57] *** peter1 has left #lwjgl[14:49:43] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[15:00:22] <delt0r> nbf: Schweinehaxe is my fav German food followed by Weißwürste[15:00:37] <delt0r> lived in Austria for 7 years...[15:15:34] *** mr_monty has joined #lwjgl[15:15:54] <mr_monty> interesting looks like the new mustang will have a 305+ hp 4 banger[15:24:40] *** lrh9 has quit IRC[15:29:05] <nbf> madness[15:29:15] <nbf> I've never had hamhock[15:29:25] <nbf> here it's more associated with southern and soul food cooking I think[15:29:49] <nbf> I've had weisswurst before, didn't know what it was called though ;)[15:30:59] <nbf> the new stang looks good, I'd drive one[15:30:59] <mr_monty> hamhock isn't bad[15:31:07] <mr_monty> white sausage not tried[15:31:19] <mr_monty> I was surprised they'd offer a 4 banger[15:31:34] <nbf> with a 300 hp 4 cylinder the cheap model is probably a lot of fun to drive[15:31:35] <mr_monty> it's actually slightly more powerful than the v6 but it crushes it on torque[15:31:42] <nbf> which is madness[15:31:56] <nbf> yeah figures, probably doesn't have the grunt of your typical 300hp engine[15:32:06] <nbf> 300 hp at 10k rpm[15:32:11] <mr_monty> i'm thinking the v6 will be the entry model[15:32:22] <nbf> but at 1-2k it's like a weed whacker[15:33:21] <mr_monty> I'm thinking the twin turbo 4 will appeal to the ricer/boy racer crowd[15:33:29] <nbf> yeah which is very smart for ford[15:33:32] <mr_monty> because it does have a turbo whistle[15:33:39] <mr_monty> serious whistle[15:33:48] <nbf> because it's a cool car with legit performance cred[15:34:04] <nbf> so now they get muscle car guys AND tuner clowns[15:34:21] <mr_monty> they had a need for speed stang in the lobby[15:34:32] <mr_monty> and the person who bought the first production model was there.[15:34:38] <mr_monty> from 50 years ago[15:34:42] <mr_monty> school teacher[15:34:45] <nbf> wow[15:35:06] <nbf> http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f70/2015-corvette-z06-revealed-next-month-144177/[15:35:09] <nbf> new z06 :)[15:35:29] <mr_monty> it was bound to happen[15:35:42] <mr_monty> I don't think jeremy clarkson will have much to say about this[15:35:45] <nbf> whats exciting for me is that the z06 motor will be the 3rd gen CTS-V motor[15:35:52] <mr_monty> he tried like hell to bash the prev z06[15:35:53] <delt0r> wow ... super nerds talking muscle cars[15:35:57] <mr_monty> couldn't really find anything :P[15:36:15] <delt0r> next thing you know cats will be living with dogs... end of the world[15:36:20] <nbf> he'll say he hates it, it's flimsy, made of plastic, tacky, uncomfortable, ugly, etc[15:36:40] <nbf> and then have a huge smile on his face as he drives it, giggling like a school girl[15:36:54] <delt0r> jeremy clarkson is a doch[15:37:04] <delt0r> dooch[15:37:08] <mr_monty> we're from the detroit metro area - we occasionally wander into muscle car talk :P[15:37:11] <delt0r> how do you spell that[15:37:12] <nbf> I like him even though he hates on american cars[15:37:19] <mr_monty> he is funny[15:37:23] <nbf> because some times it's deserved and it's funny some times[15:37:32] <mr_monty> I love the polar special[15:37:35] <delt0r> even for an english man he is a total toss pot[15:37:42] <nbf> lol[15:37:49] <nbf> why do you dislike him so much?[15:38:01] <delt0r> i meet him once[15:38:06] <delt0r> hard to forget that[15:38:18] <nbf> haha, oh so his douchey persona isn't just for show biz? hahaha[15:38:32] <mr_monty> I heard he punched piers morgan[15:38:39] <delt0r> he was almost put into coach with us low lifes[15:38:42] <mr_monty> ...but I think piers usually has it coming :P[15:38:53] <delt0r> he is also stupid[15:38:56] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[15:38:58] <nbf> I guess I picture it as kind of a characture of old hoity toity english guys[15:39:03] <delt0r> but i do watch the show[15:39:34] <delt0r> the Bolivia special was great[15:39:59] <nbf> i cracked up when he said people driving the CTS-V look like wimslow pimps[15:40:00] <nbf> lol[15:40:16] <delt0r> some of the things he says are funny[15:40:32] <delt0r> and when he makes an expression that is supose to look like a car[15:41:44] <nbf> I can't imagine clarkson giving the mustang a good review, just because it's so iconically american[15:42:36] <nbf> lol[15:44:40] <delt0r> the level of road rage in the US is pretty insane[15:45:03] <nbf> well the US is a huge place[15:45:12] <delt0r> its like cutting someone off is up there with raping and murdering their wife.[15:45:21] <delt0r> yes it is...[15:45:21] <nbf> road rage is way worst in places with poorly planned/old roads and city areas[15:45:28] <nbf> *w*wirse[15:45:41] <delt0r> but the concentration of these things in the US is statistically significant[15:46:12] <delt0r> ie nut jobs shooting up schools or just going postal[15:47:14] <delt0r> there is only 300M people in the US yet they beat the pants of all of the EU for crazy with over 500M[15:47:36] <delt0r> I don't know the why... but there must be something going on...[15:48:09] <nbf> aren't EU gun laws pretty strict?[15:48:15] <nbf> in general per country[15:48:16] <delt0r> not really..[15:48:45] <delt0r> in Austria if your over 18 anything that is not a pistol or a pumpaction is legal without a licence for example[15:49:02] <nbf> that's interesting[15:49:09] <nbf> I know the UK is very strict[15:49:13] <mr_monty> when I move to ann arbor, I'm going to get pump action for home protection :P[15:49:22] <delt0r> yea but the UK is the odd one out[15:49:30] <mr_monty> mossberg 500[15:49:42] <delt0r> i am in Switzerland now where every male is required to keep their automatic[15:50:02] <mr_monty> auto's are illegal in the states[15:50:14] <mr_monty> unless you get a curio license which is very difficult to get[15:50:22] <delt0r> There really is a poor correlation with gun crime, gun violence and gun ownership[15:51:30] <mr_monty> personally I don't care for autos[15:51:33] <delt0r> statistically about the only conclusion that really works is "Americans like to shoot each other" ..of course 90% or something is domestic related[15:51:37] <mr_monty> my coworker owns an armalite ar 18[15:51:46] <mr_monty> pretty much pull the trigger and empty the magazine :P[15:51:50] <mr_monty> in a few seconds[15:51:54] <delt0r> i have a bunch of hunting rifles at home.[15:51:59] <mr_monty> I'm thinking 3 round burst or semi auto for me.[15:52:00] <delt0r> autos are useless for that[15:52:12] <delt0r> bolt action all the way[15:53:13] <delt0r> I think also the US does have a lot of people with the mentality that shooting someone who is stealing your stereo is a god given right.[15:53:43] <nbf> wild west baby[15:53:48] <delt0r> aka not just self defense. then there is the death penalty...[15:53:52] <mr_monty> most of the time that happens in the inner city - where the bulk of the gun crime happens[15:54:03] <delt0r> lets face it.. the US does not fit a 1st world definition[15:54:07] <nbf> yeah US suburbs tend to be pretty safe[15:54:27] <nbf> rural areas even safer[15:54:27] <delt0r> Oh yea the stats are that the us is pretty safe.[15:54:42] <nbf> lol "the stats"[15:54:48] <mr_monty> unless you go to chicago, miami etc - the large cities[15:54:59] <nbf> and even then, the bad parts[15:55:04] <mr_monty> exactly[15:55:08] <delt0r> most gun deaths are domestics... you are something like 3x more likely to die of gunshot wounds if you own a gun[15:55:10] <mr_monty> it's mad max territory[15:55:10] <nbf> its like detroit, downtown isn't bad[15:55:20] <delt0r> I was in Chicago this year[15:55:25] <nbf> but the belly between downtown and the suburbs is no mans land[15:55:37] <mr_monty> chicago - they die in droves[15:55:50] <delt0r> And i was even in South Chicago and ended up in a altercation with a taxi driver who called the cops[15:55:59] <nbf> but he didn't shoot you[15:56:09] <mr_monty> south side chicago gives me the creeps[15:56:14] <mr_monty> I drove thru on accident[15:56:34] <mr_monty> drive by shootings etc[15:56:36] <mr_monty> crazy[15:56:39] <delt0r> more or less what the cops said when they turned up... What? no one has a gun and no one is shot... don't waste my time[15:56:56] <nbf> did you guys get into a fist fight or something?[15:57:10] <nbf> usually cops don't intercede unless there's a safety issue or fraud, etc[15:57:18] <delt0r> there was 80 shooting the week i was there. works out to be 1 per hour from 6pm to 6am every day[15:57:22] <nbf> they don't resolve arguments here in the US[15:57:39] <delt0r> He ripped me off[15:57:48] <delt0r> i went to pay with Credit card[15:57:55] <mr_monty> when I went to my high school reunion my class mate was a police officer for a city of 150k[15:57:56] <delt0r> there is a machine in the back seat[15:58:05] <mr_monty> he said that "crime stays with crime virtually all of the time"[15:58:12] <delt0r> he takes the card off me and starts to put the detals into his phone[15:58:39] <mr_monty> so if a person is getting robbed or killed over money, most likely the victim is a bookie or a drug dealer[15:58:41] <delt0r> I rip the card out of his hand and use many superlatives[15:58:44] <delt0r> he calls the cops[15:59:00] <nbf> sounds shady but you're also protected with the credit card in the US[15:59:11] <nbf> so even if he did charge up your card, you're not on the hook for that[15:59:25] <delt0r> yea.. but its a pain with paper work[15:59:29] <nbf> that said, I don't know if it was some type of european card and how the laws work[15:59:43] <nbf> you call and tell them which charges were fradulent, they have to take them off and investigate[15:59:45] <delt0r> anyway... he took off the "extra charges" and i paid cash[16:00:00] <nbf> if they can't prove it was legit, the bank has to pay for it[16:00:06] <mr_monty> stopped in michigan city to get some gas - rough area too. stopped at a fast food joint to get some food. pack of inner city hoodlums called me 'f'er and started to followed me out of the restaurant'[16:00:31] <mr_monty> that's just out side of chi town on the south side of town.[16:00:37] <delt0r> if you can't proove its legit ... and that could take a year or more in court if the CC company wants to fight it[16:00:46] <nbf> if they can't prove it's legit[16:00:55] <nbf> you don't have to prove anything as a cardholder[16:01:03] <nbf> the burden is entirely on the bank issuing the credit card[16:01:07] <delt0r> that is not how courts and claims work[16:01:12] <nbf> in the US it is[16:01:17] <delt0r> 9/10th is possesion[16:01:21] <nbf> nope[16:01:25] <delt0r> the money is not in your possesion[16:01:33] <delt0r> read the print in your CC[16:01:34] <nbf> fail[16:01:49] <delt0r> sure most of the time they just charge bacl[16:01:52] <delt0r> back[16:02:32] <delt0r> since the merchent paid for it[16:02:50] <delt0r> but i had 2000EUR that i have contested for over a year now[16:02:52] <nbf> if the merchant ripped you off, why would you care how the bank resolves it?[16:03:16] <delt0r> they just don't do anyhting. i can take it too court but if they don't give it back i need to take them to court[16:03:46] <nbf> there's no court involved (in the US) unless you tried to defraud the bank[16:03:54] <delt0r> nbf: because the CC company is the only one with the authority to reverse the charge[16:04:18] <delt0r> nbf: if the card say... Nope... you problem.. What are you going to do[16:04:39] <delt0r> its not illegal until it goes to court.[16:04:47] <nbf> when would it go to court[16:04:57] <nbf> it's the banks problem[16:05:09] <delt0r> If you say you didn't do this charge... and they say frik you[16:05:15] <nbf> I guess if they decided to sue or press charges on their end and called you as a witness in the trial[16:05:16] <delt0r> what are you going to do?[16:05:43] <delt0r> they are not obligated to refund non fraud charges...[16:06:08] <nbf> why would you dispute a non fraudulent charge?[16:06:21] <nbf> I think that would be fraud in itself unless you did it accidentally[16:06:24] <delt0r> So what... you can't make them do ANYTHING without the courts. so they can just be an asshole about it[16:06:38] <delt0r> nbf: to get free shit[16:06:45] <nbf> that's fraud[16:07:29] <delt0r> i know people do it..and i know these do end up in court.. often with the card holder initiating proceedings.[16:07:38] <delt0r> ie in my case[16:07:44] *** Goddesen_ has joined #lwjgl[16:07:53] <delt0r> they have not given back the disputed transactions[16:08:05] <delt0r> what can i do without useing the courts[16:08:32] <nbf> sounds like something that would happen in a 3rd world country[16:08:41] <delt0r> I cannot compel them to do anything without the courts. my rights in this regard are through the courts[16:08:53] <delt0r> this is the same in the US[16:09:00] <nbf> it's not at all[16:09:02] <nbf> I just linked you[16:09:21] <delt0r> and HOW do YOU enforce that?[16:09:31] <delt0r> you enforce it via the courts[16:09:42] <delt0r> you are not the police[16:09:57] *** Goddesen has quit IRC[16:10:03] <delt0r> you can't force them to do anything phsically without the courts..[16:10:16] <delt0r> if they just don't do something then what do you do?[16:10:47] <delt0r> this is precisely may case. they should refund then perhaps investiage etc...[16:10:51] <nbf> so you had a fraudulent charge that you disputed, the CC issuer investigated and said it was legit?[16:10:58] <delt0r> but they won't . They just say we are looking into it[16:11:10] <delt0r> for over a year know[16:11:12] <delt0r> now[16:11:25] <nbf> they have to provide you with documentation on how it's accurate and what they did to come to that conclusion[16:11:37] <delt0r> fact is the only way i can compel them to do as the law required is via the courts[16:11:47] <delt0r> they havn't said anything[16:11:57] <delt0r> just they are looking into it for over a year[16:12:23] <delt0r> they are required to deal with in a "timely fasion" which is something like 90 day[16:12:24] <nbf> "Any creditor who fails to follow the settlement procedure may not collect the amount in dispute, or any related finance charges, up to $50, even if the bill turns out to be correct. For example, if a creditor acknowledges your complaint in 45 days — 15 days too late — or takes more than two billing cycles to resolve a dispute, the penalty applies. The penalty also applies if a creditor threatens to report — or improperly reports — your failure to[16:12:37] <nbf> from TFA[16:12:52] <delt0r> yes... we have similar things... but how do You or Me Enforce that?[16:12:59] <nbf> the FTC[16:13:11] <nbf> http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0341-file-complaint-ftc[16:13:56] <delt0r> i can't hit them over the head with a baseball bat ... or use a batton. I must take the legal action. either via small claims, tribunals or obuseman.[16:14:01] <delt0r> Obusmen.[16:14:04] <delt0r> fak[16:14:07] <delt0r> can't spell that[16:14:22] <delt0r> and that takes time[16:14:34] <delt0r> more time than 2000EUR is worth[16:14:40] <nbf> yeah but who cares, it's on them anyway[16:15:06] <nbf> it's not like you have to pay on it in the mean time nor is any interest collecting on it[16:15:11] <delt0r> well no its not. I still don't have the 2000EUR and i don't get to claim for "damages in time lost"[16:15:22] <delt0r> so i gave up.[16:15:51] <nbf> well I guess it's different over there[16:15:54] <delt0r> one guy here finished proceedings in the US ... took him over 2 years.[16:16:28] <delt0r> think how many times this is happening.. i don't think is some malicious f u attitude.[16:16:46] <delt0r> I think its just a rare case that gets lost in the cracks[16:17:48] <delt0r> Mind you the Austrians don't have a small claims court.[16:17:51] <delt0r> NZ does[16:18:01] <delt0r> i guess the US does as well[16:18:23] <nbf> here 2k EU (which is what 3.5k USD) wouldn't be small claims[16:18:34] <nbf> or maybe it would, is small claims 500 or 5k[16:18:37] <nbf> I can't remember :)[16:18:46] <delt0r> really? NZ its 10k NZD or about 5K EUR[16:18:47] <nbf> probably varies[16:19:20] <nbf> 5k[16:19:21] <delt0r> yea since its probably state level as well[16:19:24] <nbf> so I guess it would be small claims[16:19:43] <delt0r> i get confused with what is fed vers state[16:22:12] <delt0r> nbf: where is here? Detroit?[16:22:18] <nbf> michigan[16:22:23] <delt0r> right[16:23:02] <delt0r> i have been only to Chicago and Vegas[16:23:16] <nbf> well detroit is like that, only way, way worse :)[16:23:17] <mr_monty> did you like vegas?[16:23:28] <delt0r> not really...[16:23:33] <mr_monty> I've been there several times - don't gamble[16:23:34] <delt0r> the poker was awesome[16:23:37] <mr_monty> night life[16:23:54] <mr_monty> one trip I was tempted to not even book a hotel room[16:23:59] <nbf> but really the areas except for wayne county/detroit are pretty nice[16:24:03] <mr_monty> I never seem to wake up in the same place :P[16:24:16] <mr_monty> total debauchery[16:24:18] <delt0r> mr_monty: i found it a bit boring outside poker[16:24:36] <delt0r> since strip clubs don't do it for me, many places are closed at 2am[16:24:53] <nbf> like for example, one of the most affulent area in the country is in oakland county[16:24:54] <mr_monty> I don't go to strip clubs, but clubs - that I do[16:24:55] *** badlogic has joined #lwjgl[16:24:57] <delt0r> and about 2-3am the poker dries up a bit[16:25:12] <mr_monty> the chicks would take me to the strip clubs :P[16:25:22] <delt0r> clubs are not my thing.. I wear camo pants and stuff that never gets into a club[16:25:34] <mr_monty> just a bunch of la and san fran lawyers and doctors that are married to their jobs and want to have fun.[16:25:43] <delt0r> and the music makes me want to go postal[16:26:25] <delt0r> CSI misslead me greatly.. not one murder scene[16:26:39] <delt0r> the strip was pretty tame really[16:26:52] <mr_monty> I'm definitely not a gambler[16:27:05] <mr_monty> for me like skating uphill[16:27:10] <mr_monty> losing battle[16:27:11] <delt0r> poker is not gambling ... i made plenty of money. its not luck either[16:28:35] *** badlogic1 has quit IRC[16:28:39] <delt0r> well i made about 2k[16:28:57] <delt0r> but then my tablet was stolen and my wallet with over 200USD in it[16:29:47] <nbf> sucks :([16:30:01] <delt0r> yea so i had a tablet for 3 weeks[16:30:09] <delt0r> i kinda liked it[16:30:13] <nbf> what kind?[16:30:22] <delt0r> galaxy tab 2[16:30:34] <delt0r> was cheap since the 3 came out that week[16:30:34] <nbf> nice, yeah I like samsung's stuff[16:30:41] <nbf> I have the galaxy note 10.1, great device[16:30:43] <delt0r> like 150USD or something[16:30:52] <delt0r> i will get a note next time[16:32:31] <mr_monty> i wish my tablet had swype[16:32:48] <mr_monty> absolutely can't stand touch screen kb's[16:33:01] <mr_monty> star trek got it *wrong*[17:03:54] *** lwjglbot has joined #lwjgl[17:03:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v lwjglbot[17:07:51] *** Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854[17:18:45] *** nephilim_ has quit IRC[17:34:29] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[18:01:23] *** devnewton has quit IRC[18:18:31] *** Hanack1 has joined #lwjgl[18:20:31] *** Hanack has quit IRC[18:44:25] <jezek2> damn stupid oracle, can't download JDK in cmdline to server[18:44:50] <nbf> heh yeah oracle sucks[18:45:12] <nbf> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/181369.The_Difference_Between_God_and_Larry_Ellison_[18:51:45] <jezek2> did the trick[19:11:33] *** FmOut has joined #lwjgl[19:17:51] *** nephilim_ has joined #lwjgl[19:26:58] *** Raven67854_ has joined #lwjgl[19:29:26] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[19:33:16] *** MatthiasM has joined #lwjgl[19:58:37] *** mr_monty has quit IRC[19:58:51] *** aho has joined #lwjgl[20:13:42] *** fella6s has joined #lwjgl[20:16:47] *** fella5s has quit IRC[20:32:14] *** Norbo11 has quit IRC[21:21:43] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[21:31:01] *** devnewton has joined #lwjgl[21:35:52] *** Epowerj has quit IRC[21:39:51] *** ivan\ has joined #lwjgl[21:49:47] *** Epowerj has joined #lwjgl[21:54:31] *** darkfrog has quit IRC[21:58:16] *** darkfrog has joined #lwjgl[22:08:03] *** neptunepink has quit IRC[22:14:04] *** kappaOne has joined #lwjgl[22:18:34] *** devnewton has quit IRC[22:31:16] *** Sopheria has quit IRC[22:35:48] *** ZeuPiark has joined #lwjgl[22:49:56] *** ZeuPiark has quit IRC[23:00:07] *** Hanack has joined #lwjgl[23:02:14] *** Hanack1 has quit IRC[23:08:07] *** Epowerj has quit IRC[23:18:46] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[23:19:04] *** Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854[23:19:16] *** Goddesen has quit IRC[23:19:27] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[23:23:46] *** aho has quit IRC[23:31:15] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[23:53:25] *** Dessimat0r has quit IRC