December 4, 2013 
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December 4, 2013 [00:00:02] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[00:12:21] *** Norbo11 has quit IRC[00:12:42] *** void256 has joined #lwjgl[00:19:30] *** mr_monty has quit IRC[00:21:24] *** Unimatrix325 has quit IRC[00:32:01] *** void256_ has joined #lwjgl[00:33:57] *** void256 has quit IRC[00:34:09] *** void256_ is now known as void256[00:39:42] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[00:39:58] *** void256 has quit IRC[00:56:01] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[00:59:26] *** Gooogy10 has joined #lwjgl[01:02:11] *** Gooogy9 has quit IRC[01:30:36] *** devnewton has quit IRC[01:33:33] *** MatthiasM_ has joined #lwjgl[01:33:40] *** MatthiasM has quit IRC[01:33:48] *** MatthiasM_ is now known as MatthiasM[01:38:17] <nbf> oh scala: https://twitter.com/m4rr5/status/407986005854416897/photo/1/large[01:38:18] <nbf> lol[02:09:23] <jezek2> lol[02:19:52] *** fella5s has quit IRC[02:21:47] <monty_hall> hello[02:24:27] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[02:43:27] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[02:46:13] *** Raven67854 has 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quit IRC[13:37:52] *** Irrelium has joined #lwjgl[13:49:08] <nbf> http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/206209/With_Valve_pushing_Linux_the_company_joins_The_Linux_Foundation.php[13:49:11] <nbf> oooh buddy[13:56:53] <l3dx> neat[14:24:15] *** iamtakingiteasy has joined #lwjgl[14:26:49] *** baedert1 is now known as baedert[14:36:44] <iamtakingiteasy> hello, i am having troubles with lwjgl natives, when trying to assembly distribution of my OSGi lwjgl-using project by maven-assembly-plugin. when i am adding an OSGi bundle with platform-independent lwjgl jar content to the assembly descriptor, ALL of my bundles in distribution suddenly getting the prefixes from lwjgl-plaform classifiers; just like that: http://paste.eientei.org/show/37/[14:37:08] <iamtakingiteasy> do anyone have any idea why it may happenning and how to prevent it?[14:37:45] <iamtakingiteasy> err[14:37:48] <iamtakingiteasy> suffixes*[14:45:02] *** mr_monty has joined #lwjgl[14:45:04] <mr_monty> hello[14:45:06] <mr_monty> good morning[14:45:12] <mr_monty> greetings from est[14:59:38] *** Raven67854_ has joined #lwjgl[15:02:20] *** Raven67854 has quit IRC[15:16:53] *** Raven67854_ is now known as Raven67854[15:50:41] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[16:10:47] *** Norbo11 has joined #lwjgl[16:12:55] *** fella5s has quit IRC[16:15:05] <jezek2> nbf: the irony is that steam arrived at linux at the time when it lost most of it's identity, it's basically more like another windows just for free, because all the advantages of unix are more and more hidden[16:16:54] *** Simn_ has joined #lwjgl[16:16:58] *** mr_monty has quit IRC[16:17:07] *** Simn_ has quit IRC[16:17:34] *** fella5s has joined #lwjgl[16:17:44] <nbf> what does that mean[16:17:47] <jezek2> nbf: though interestingly it shows that many people really want windows they just don't know it ;)[16:18:14] <jezek2> (or don't want to know)[16:19:27] <jezek2> nbf: the user interface makes you shielded from the unix principles, and even if you use terminal there is layer upon layer so stuff is not simple anymore to do by hand (the unix way)[16:20:30] <nbf> like what?[16:20:39] <jezek2> I really don't see a value in alternative that is just copy of the "main thing"[16:20:57] <jezek2> alternatives should be diverse[16:22:20] <jezek2> nbf: like configuration files, no simple ones anymore... starts with too complex xmls, ends with binary files (eg. logs), using daemons for handling stuff that should be more direct[16:22:27] <nbf> like what apps[16:23:00] <jezek2> things like systemd, udev and similar for example[16:23:47] <nbf> I don't really have a problem with those[16:23:48] <jezek2> "registry" in gnome[16:23:57] <nbf> they're all easy to use with the command line[16:24:07] <nbf> dconf isn't bad[16:24:31] <jezek2> but you can't use grep/sed/tail etc anymore (or it's more difficult and error prone)[16:24:39] <nbf> how so?[16:24:49] <nbf> I use that stuff all the time without issue[16:25:14] <jezek2> you have to use some specific tool to eg. export from binary logs[16:25:48] <jezek2> I'm not saying it's that bad now, but it's already visible and the trend continues[16:25:55] <jezek2> there are more complications than used to be[16:26:14] <jezek2> for not much proper reasons[16:26:41] <nbf> what app has binary logs[16:26:53] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[16:27:28] <jezek2> systemd[16:27:43] *** ksclarke has joined #lwjgl[16:28:49] <nbf> well I'm on debian systems so looks like I don't have to deal with stupid shit like that ;)[16:29:34] <jezek2> well yeah... but it will arrive, don't worry about that :P[16:29:41] <nbf> for some reason I doubt it[16:30:30] <jezek2> actually the linux ecosystem is quite coherent, when everyone goes into some major direction everyone follows[16:30:35] <jezek2> because it would hurt them a lot otherwise[16:30:46] <nbf> looks like RHEL and debian both avoid systemd[16:31:01] <nbf> the other distros don't matter much[16:31:24] <nbf> maybe whoracle linux lol, but they also don't use it[16:31:48] <jezek2> I see it on haiku, it's different OS, but using lot of GNU and linux apps/libs... the result? it gets lot of linuxism with it[16:33:10] <iamtakingiteasy> hi, anyone knows how to exclude lwjgl native libraries when making a distribution with maven-assembly-plugin?[16:33:13] <jezek2> well they can avoid systemd but the idea will spread to other things, maybe it even already did (I'm not that watching modern linux)[16:33:24] <nbf> I really don't see binary logs catching on[16:33:51] <jezek2> just wait some time... people are always bitching about stuff, fast forward few years forward and they are happy with the same thing :)[16:34:06] <iamtakingiteasy> for some reason, when i reference lwjgl, all it's native packages are getting collected as well :/[16:34:20] <jezek2> sure sometimes it needs some marketing (and little technical) effort (like with vista->7)[16:34:49] <jezek2> but for example I remember clearly how win2000 was bashed a lot, then like year later or so I saw it basically everywhere (until XP came)[16:35:14] <nbf> win2k deprecated a lot of stuff from 9x[16:35:21] <nbf> since it was NT based[16:35:30] <jezek2> yeah, such changes are disruptive in a way or another[16:35:31] <nbf> I'm sure that's where most of the bitching was from[16:35:44] <jezek2> that's why there is such opposition at first, but my point is that the users will adapt[16:36:06] <jezek2> w2k was though much better in such compatibility than NT[16:36:16] <jezek2> running games on NT was like being a wizard :D[16:37:39] <nbf> also win2k was much, much better than 9x[16:37:44] <nbf> it wasn't a change for the hell of it[16:37:57] <nbf> it was the first "properly designed" windows OS[16:38:45] <jezek2> recently I've finally had close encounter with win7, and I totally get why win7 is so popular... it's basically XP with another graphics, no real improvements really (at least in GUI area, still blinking a lot, or how timers are handled etc.), but then I don't understand why such hatred towards XP users :)[16:38:50] <jezek2> people are weird[16:39:39] <jezek2> nbf: yeah, that was really an upgrade[16:40:07] <jezek2> I was really impressed at the time[16:46:07] *** peter1 has quit IRC[16:48:05] *** Gooogy10 has joined #lwjgl[16:48:29] *** ruben01 has joined #lwjgl[16:56:53] <devnewton> I have released a 0.1 version of my new game: http://devnewton.bci.im/en/games/nedetlesmaki[17:03:39] *** gardiox has quit IRC[17:11:12] *** DrShoggoth has joined #lwjgl[17:24:42] *** djdduty has quit IRC[17:26:58] *** peter1 has joined #lwjgl[17:36:36] *** devnewton has quit IRC[17:47:43] *** Jeanne-Kamikaze has joined #lwjgl[17:59:09] *** mr_monty has joined #lwjgl[17:59:18] <mr_monty> hello[18:17:43] *** Hanack has joined #lwjgl[18:19:35] *** Hanack1 has quit IRC[18:32:34] *** fella6s has joined #lwjgl[18:48:54] <iamtakingiteasy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20380273/how-to-prevent-maven-assembly-plugin-from-copying-natives-classifiers-from-dep[18:56:28] *** Unimatrix325 has joined 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#lwjgl[22:36:33] *** kappaOne has joined #lwjgl[22:39:02] *** Raven67854_ has quit IRC[22:47:45] <lwjglbot> lwjglforum: Re: [FIXED] getAvailableDisplayModes() hangs for a long time <http://lwjgl.org/forum/index.php/topic,5261.msg28076.html#msg28076>[22:53:41] *** devnewton has quit IRC[22:54:03] *** Agro has joined #lwjgl[23:02:42] *** monty_mobile has joined #lwjgl[23:02:54] <monty_mobile> hello[23:03:32] <monty_mobile> next friday I'm off to thailand[23:07:54] <monty_mobile> \o/[23:08:26] <monty_mobile> where did everybody go?[23:08:50] <monty_mobile> I hate all of you[23:08:58] <monty_mobile> :P[23:09:01] <aho> :>[23:09:09] <Agro> monty_mobile: bangkok?[23:09:12] <Agro> ive been there[23:09:15] <Agro> food is awesome[23:09:59] <monty_mobile> that's what my sister says[23:10:31] <monty_mobile> we'll spend 1 week in the bangkok area[23:11:00] <monty_mobile> they are living in sriracha, chonburi[23:11:12] <Agro> go to bellaire princess hotel :D[23:11:16] <Agro> so awesome[23:11:20] <ra4king> wtf[23:11:24] <ra4king> monty_mobile: why such a random place to go?[23:11:35] <nbf> thai stick[23:11:51] <nbf> you should know all about that[23:11:52] <nbf> cheech[23:12:35] <monty_mobile> the second week will be visiting various locations[23:13:17] <nbf> just don't disrespect the emperor[23:13:28] <monty_mobile> I guess my sister has plans to zip line through the jungle[23:14:10] <nbf> I wonder how similar thai food is to US thai food[23:14:11] *** kappaOne has quit IRC[23:14:12] <monty_mobile> http://www.treetopasia.com/m[23:14:19] <nbf> or if it's like chinese where it's not even remotely similar[23:14:22] <nbf> except rice is involved[23:14:25] <monty_mobile> flight of the gibbon[23:14:35] <nbf> it's funny how japanese food kind of avoided that trap[23:14:50] <nbf> there's a little americanization going on but it's pretty similar to japanese sushi[23:14:53] <monty_mobile> I'll be swimming with dolphins too[23:15:00] *** Sopheria has joined #lwjgl[23:15:23] <Dragonene> ...what's random about thailand?[23:15:49] <Dragonene> from my perspective, it's the opposite of random[23:16:04] <Dragonene> pretty much *everyone* in sweden goes there. The flights there are always crowded. :)[23:16:09] <nbf> come one, who would purposes choose to go to a tropical paradise[23:16:19] <nbf> *purposely[23:18:14] <monty_mobile> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_of_Truth[23:19:16] <Dragonene> I haven't been to thailand[23:19:26] <Dragonene> but I've been to vietnam and laos[23:19:29] <Dragonene> both great places[23:19:34] <Dragonene> think they've some similarities[23:19:44] <Dragonene> even if thailand's a bit richer, methinks[23:20:47] <nbf> I'd want to challenge tong po to a fight[23:21:46] <monty_mobile> as in jcvd kickboxer?[23:23:11] <monty_mobile> "white warrior"[23:24:28] <monty_mobile> in my case it would be "yellow warrior" :P[23:24:47] <Agro> i would be a green warrior[23:25:36] <nbf> haha yep[23:25:44] <nbf> now I'm going to watch kickboxer and bloodsport[23:29:07] *** AndChat| has joined #lwjgl[23:29:09] *** monty_mobile has quit IRC[23:29:38] *** Unimatrix325 has quit IRC[23:31:19] <AndChat|> gotta go, getting my hair cut[23:31:46] *** AndChat| has quit IRC[23:49:45] *** ksclarke has quit IRC[23:59:01] *** Agro has quit IRC