May 9, 2018 
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May 9, 2018 [00:06:18] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:28:59] *** mxttie <mxttie!~mattie@94-224-64-59.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: Doodiedoodiedoodiedoooo)[01:08:01] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:40ff:a615:fbc6:4764> has joined #libgdx[01:11:07] *** wheeler_ <wheeler_!5164ad4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.100.173.79> has joined #libgdx[01:11:10] <wheeler_> evening all,[01:11:13] <wheeler_> I'm in a pickle![01:11:32] <wheeler_> I have my game that is working fine, but I've just updated my phone (Samsung s8) to Oreo[01:11:44] <wheeler_> my game is in full/immersive mode[01:11:59] <wheeler_> now when I swipe down, I get an error on TouchDown of my InputProcessor![01:13:00] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has joined #libgdx[01:13:22] <wheeler_> grrrr!!! it's not happening on my live app[01:13:28] <wheeler_> only on my latest dev build[01:13:34] <wheeler_> but I've not changed anything!!! arrrgghhh[01:13:39] <wheeler_> sorry for the rant[01:13:43] <wheeler_> <i hate coding>[01:25:32] <bomb> no probs[01:25:36] <bomb> just let me read your mind wheeler_[01:30:00] *** wheeler_ <wheeler_!5164ad4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.100.173.79> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:31:41] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[01:49:22] *** wheeler_ <wheeler_!5164ad4f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.100.173.79> has joined #libgdx[01:49:31] <wheeler_> it's ok @bomb, fixed it[01:57:24] *** arathald <arathald!arathald@linuxfromscratch/arathald> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:04:21] *** samort7 <samort7!~samort7@cam-att-fw-ext.camsys.com> has quit IRC ()[02:07:02] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oezuvfcdioszbinu> has joined #libgdx[02:10:37] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@120.22.227.72> has 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<guardianxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:10:18] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oezuvfcdioszbinu> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[06:10:51] *** jayhost <jayhost!~ian@c-174-60-11-126.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:11:39] *** USMC_Mitch <USMC_Mitch!~mowgli@75-174-103-145.boid.qwest.net> has joined #libgdx[06:12:15] <USMC_Mitch> Ok, I'm sure this has been asked a gazillion times already, but I'm having trouble finding any solutions that work:[06:12:30] <USMC_Mitch> the libGDX project setup tool fails to build a project[06:13:07] <USMC_Mitch> default settings on everything, except in advanced settings, I selected to generate an Idea project, and use kotlin...[06:13:46] <USMC_Mitch> oh, also deselected iOS and HTML[06:15:13] <USMC_Mitch> I have the error message, but it's long, and I don't want to get kicked[06:15:53] <USMC_Mitch> I'm on kububtu 18.04[06:15:57] <USMC_Mitch> *kubuntu[06:25:12] <myke> make sure you have the latest setup tool[06:25:20] <myke> i've been burned a few times using an old version of the tool[06:26:05] <myke> also try it with completely default settings, do a ./gradlew desktop:run from the command line to confirm it works, then change one thing at a time until it breaks[06:26:11] <myke> i mean just keep doing new setups[06:28:17] *** Shockah <Shockah!~PircBotX@63.ip-92-222-74.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[06:34:38] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4194.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC ()[06:37:51] *** DB219 <DB219!4344a212@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.68.162.18> has quit IRC ()[06:41:22] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:02:05] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@203.125.138.178> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:08:52] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[07:09:04] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:13:42] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:13:53] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:22:44] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[07:23:08] <TEttinger> USMC_Mitch: you can paste on a pastebin, like https://pastebin.com or https://gist.github.com[07:23:09] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@203.125.138.178> has joined #libgdx[07:23:55] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:24:46] <TEttinger> pastebins are strongly encouraged for IRC, some channels are picky about which ones they prefer but here people use a bunch. gist is preferred for some usage because work often allows it if it doesn't allow pastebin[07:25:17] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[07:26:17] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:31:39] <USMC_Mitch> Sorry, my daughter started throwing up[07:31:41] <USMC_Mitch> https://pastebin.com/58Yxryqv[07:36:29] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~AndChat30@115-189-87-32.mobile.spark.co.nz> has joined #libgdx[07:38:16] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[07:38:27] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has joined #libgdx[07:46:34] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #libgdx[07:50:29] *** bhas <bhas!4670ce2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.206.46> has joined #libgdx[07:50:41] *** LiquidNitrogen <LiquidNitrogen!~AndChat30@115-189-87-32.mobile.spark.co.nz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:51:29] <bhas> need help with dae to g3db conversion sizes[07:52:06] <bhas> A 11mb dae file when converted to g3db using fbxconv is taking up about 22MB[07:52:24] <bhas> is there anyway to reduce the resulting size ?[08:05:20] <TEttinger> USMC_Mitch: I think I know this one. it's mostly linux-related, let me see what I can find[08:05:41] <TEttinger> it's related to a new-ish or updated Java installation not having security certificates[08:05:57] <TEttinger> or keystore or some related term, if you are googling it[08:06:27] <TEttinger> bhas: what type of stuff is in the file? texture info, lots of geometry...[08:08:53] <USMC_Mitch> TEttinger: I tried update-ca-certificates -f && /var/lib/dpkg/info/ca-certificates-java.postinst configure[08:09:00] <USMC_Mitch> no dice[08:09:44] <TEttinger> IIRC there's a package that Java needs but only on linux... ugh this stuff is a mess[08:09:59] <TEttinger> oh, also only on some linux distros[08:11:30] <TEttinger> no idea if this iss still relevant: https://stackoverflow.com/a/33440168[08:14:01] *** Agnel <Agnel!7bfc82f6@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.123.252.130.246> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[08:28:50] *** Shockah <Shockah!~PircBotX@63.ip-92-222-74.eu> has joined #libgdx[08:29:12] <Ashiren> mcts, why didnt i use it before? without game strategy knowledge, my ai beats kreversi at "hard" mode[08:37:00] <grim001> time to code all night[08:55:24] *** mk1 <mk1!5098fe1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.152.254.27> has joined #libgdx[09:02:44] *** megasoft78 <megasoft78!~megasoft7@net-93-147-54-127.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #libgdx[09:03:12] *** USMC_Mitch <USMC_Mitch!~mowgli@75-174-103-145.boid.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[09:07:42] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@4be54-1-81-56-4-73.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #libgdx[09:09:07] *** Ryusui <Ryusui!~Ryusui@2602:306:3163:170:f11d:f81a:95e7:45c3> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:14:25] <Ashiren> the future! https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/05/08/extended-eol-in-notepad/[09:14:59] <Shockah> only took them 20 years[09:17:19] <TEttinger> good lord[09:44:34] *** jayhost <jayhost!~ian@c-174-60-11-126.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined #libgdx[09:44:39] *** bhas <bhas!4670ce2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.206.46> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[09:46:02] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@93-40-209-27.ip40.fastwebnet.it> has joined #libgdx[09:48:28] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[10:04:30] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@pd95b1f40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #libgdx[10:10:21] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[10:17:15] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has joined #libgdx[10:21:21] *** jayhost <jayhost!~ian@c-174-60-11-126.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[10:22:36] <megasoft78> Hi guys,[10:22:57] <megasoft78> anyone did try to build libgdx game using the new Google Instant Games?[10:23:26] <megasoft78> https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant/[10:28:43] <Shockah> aren't those just web apps?[10:30:17] <megasoft78> no[10:30:28] <megasoft78> they are normal apps/games[10:30:36] <megasoft78> with even native support[10:30:39] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.170.63> has joined #libgdx[10:30:53] *** Jonas__ <Jonas__!~Jonas__@unaffiliated/jonas/x-7723671> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:34:21] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:40ff:a615:fbc6:4764> has joined #libgdx[10:40:26] <SuckyNoob> hows everyone doing tonight/this morning[10:49:18] *** Jonas__ <Jonas__!~Jonas__@unaffiliated/jonas/x-7723671> has joined #libgdx[11:28:19] <wheeler> I'm feeling bad[11:28:27] <wheeler> I'm getting tempted to switch to Unity :([11:28:41] *** prinova <prinova!uid290416@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhvjspjydvwzkjby> has joined #libgdx[11:29:03] <wheeler> i've got a potential project, which might actually pay a bit[11:29:10] <wheeler> and the guy has unity experience[11:29:16] <wheeler> and thinks it might be better if I use that[11:29:27] <wheeler> I've always shunned it as being a bit drag and drop[11:29:32] <wheeler> and not for *real* coders[11:29:43] <wheeler> but am I really being that snobbish!?[11:30:13] <mk1> you are[11:30:52] <mk1> but it depends on the type of game[11:31:48] <mk1> what I like about Unity (and I haven't used it much) is that you can just attach pieces of code to your object (yeah, drag and drop) and it works. it's really good to get somewhere fast[11:32:20] <mk1> other than that I usually prefer full access to the engine code and the game loop.[11:35:00] <megasoft78> I think we Unity you get things quicker[11:35:08] <megasoft78> but at cost of apk size[11:35:44] <megasoft78> I have a game that is 18MB apk in Unity but I can build the same on libgdx in under 3 MB[11:36:14] <SuckyNoob> I base my decisions on what to use, based on down the road complications[11:36:27] <megasoft78> The problem is that for UI intensive game Unity take a lot less time than libgdx[11:36:31] <SuckyNoob> for instance Unity and Unreal you have to pay royalties etc[11:36:44] <megasoft78> I don't think that matter[11:36:50] <SuckyNoob> 5% is a lot of money[11:36:59] <megasoft78> Unity is free up to 100,000 dollars[11:37:03] <SuckyNoob> add that to taxes and 15% from steam if you sell there[11:37:14] <SuckyNoob> ya what if u make more than that tho[11:37:17] <megasoft78> it's not 5%[11:37:25] <SuckyNoob> you also have to agree to open your books if that time comes[11:37:25] <megasoft78> it's 35 dollars per month[11:37:47] <SuckyNoob> I'm not sure what unity's is[11:37:48] <megasoft78> up to 200,000 dollars gross[11:38:00] <megasoft78> Do you have experience in coding?[11:38:07] <SuckyNoob> Unreal 5% though. Still I wouldn't want to open my books to another company haha[11:38:31] <megasoft78> I would go with Unity[11:39:03] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:42:17] *** taharqa <taharqa!~taharqa@51.15.168.137> has joined #libgdx[11:51:57] *** megasoft78 <megasoft78!~megasoft7@net-93-147-54-127.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:02:56] <smiley_> I did a kids game in Unity for a client a few years ago.. I wanted to do it in libGDX but he insisted on Unity[12:03:36] <smiley_> it's ok.. but just like mk1 I like to rule my own game loop[12:04:05] <smiley_> and I miss debug reload in java with Unity.. I use that all the time[12:04:07] <mk1> well, Unity's not great for mobile[12:04:20] <mk1> but for pc games it's a good choice[12:04:45] <mk1> I'm thinking about taking another look at Godot, though I rarely have time anymore[12:04:50] <smiley_> now Unity has debug reload but last time I tried it a few months ago it failed all the time[12:05:01] <smiley_> s/all/most of/[12:05:31] *** megasoft78 <megasoft78!~megasoft7@net-109-115-245-121.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has joined #libgdx[12:05:45] <smiley_> I have started writing my own lib for libgdx instead of reinveting the wheel all time.. some inspiration from Unity[12:06:03] <smiley_> with a GameObject-pool and adding in behaviours for tick and render[12:13:26] <Ashiren> "I have started writing my own lib... instead of reinventing the wheel" oO\[12:15:35] *** dsbk <dsbk!~Bokudesu@79-69-48-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has joined #libgdx[12:16:35] <wheeler> yeah I wanted to try and reuse all the stuff I'd done in my first LibGDX game[12:16:54] <wheeler> but if I get this new project I'd basically have a deadline of about 3-4 months, and that would be doing it part-time[12:17:52] <wheeler> I'm convinced that if I had to get it done in that timeframe, I can knock it up in Unity quicker than in LibGDX[12:18:03] <wheeler> based on zero experience of Unity myself, just word of mouth[12:18:21] <wheeler> plus I met a designer on Sat who's done two Unity games himself, and he's not really a coder[12:20:37] <SuckyNoob> unity is super fast[12:20:41] <SuckyNoob> to make stuff in[12:25:31] *** blahblah <blahblah!~bigtest@78.192.105.72> has joined #libgdx[12:25:35] <blahblah> hello all![12:26:11] <Ashiren> good afternoon, Sir/Madam[12:26:16] <blahblah> hello Ashiren[12:26:29] <blahblah> any one in here developing with eclipse or similar and using libgdx Bundle?[12:26:40] <blahblah> I can't get eclipse to find my bundles it makes me crazy[12:28:28] <blahblah> what I did is create a i18n folder at the real root of the application, and inside put a i18n.properties file. Then in eclipse for the core and desktop parts, I add a virtual i18n folder pointing to the real one. Then from code: I18NBundle.createBundle(Gdx.files.internal("i18n/i18n"), locale);[12:28:49] <blahblah> oh also I added the virtual i18n folders to the source path[12:29:21] <blahblah> but when I run my game in eclipse it complains about java.util.MissingResourceException: Can't find bundle for base file handle i18n/i18n, locale en_us[12:29:24] <blahblah> any clue?[12:31:20] <blahblah> also tried with "/i18n/i18n", same result[12:35:46] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:40ff:a615:fbc6:4764> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:38:30] <Ashiren> this is quiet part of day, sitck around[12:39:04] *** wheeler <wheeler!3efd5782@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.253.87.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:40:49] <blahblah> no worries[12:57:18] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-d759-0-dc8-4839-ff40-3594.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[12:58:25] *** RazielXYZ <RazielXYZ!~Raziel@unaffiliated/raziel> has joined #libgdx[12:59:21] *** bomb_ <bomb_!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has joined #libgdx[12:59:36] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:01:59] *** RazielZ <RazielZ!~Raziel@unaffiliated/raziel> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:05:23] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[13:07:30] <mk1> blahblah: do you actually have an en_us.properties file there?[13:09:27] <blahblah> mk1: no, but according to https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/Internationalization-and-Localization, it should still try to parse the file i18n.properties, if everything else fails[13:09:43] <blahblah> "If a key is not found, the key will be looked up in decreasingly specific properties files until found; for instance, if a key is not found in MyBundle_en_GB.properties, it will be looked up in MyBundle_en.properties, and if not found there either, in the default MyBundle.properties"[13:10:41] <blahblah> so I don't think it's an issue with libgdx but rather with setting up eclipse to properly use libgdx[13:11:12] <mk1> mhm[13:11:13] <blahblah> if anyone has a working setup for bundles with eclipse how'd be glad to know how they configured it[13:11:30] <blahblah> s/how'd/I'd/[13:11:31] <mk1> what about the basic setup example?[13:11:36] <smiley_> Ashiren: a lib on top of libgdx.. not my own[13:13:04] <blahblah> mk1: well that's what I did initially, so I'm not sure why I'm encountering this problem[13:13:26] <blahblah> I followed this: https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/wiki/Setting-up-your-Development-Environment-(Eclipse,-Intellij-IDEA,-NetBeans)#setting-up-eclipse[13:13:50] <blahblah> but this is not really talking about bundle in there[13:14:25] <blahblah> btw what IDE are you using for java/libgdx projects?[13:15:02] *** cackling_ladies <cackling_ladies!~cackling_@117.5.165.228> has joined #libgdx[13:15:08] *** bomb_ is now known as bomb[13:15:33] <blahblah> i tried android studio but on my box it appears even more bloated than eclipse (which is saying much)[13:15:59] <smiley_> I use IntelliJ[13:16:19] <smiley_> which is Android studio without all the Androidstuff[13:16:58] <blahblah> but then can you add the android stuff without making everything bloated? :P[13:18:15] <grim001> anyone making heavy use of reflection in their game, i.e. for instantiating game engine components[13:20:10] *** hello__ <hello__!b097d6c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.151.214.197> has joined #libgdx[13:21:28] <hello__> Hello, I'm having trouble with the voxelengine example on the official libgdx github. There are too many vertices rendered. How can I reduce the number of vertices ?[13:21:36] <bomb> i use shiny materials XD[13:24:09] <codi^r> grim001 mostly for serialization from/to JSON[13:25:36] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:26:36] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-d759-0-dc8-4839-ff40-3594.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:27:00] <blahblah> codi^r: isn't libgdx handling that for your with the Serializable interface?[13:27:45] <blahblah> and Json class[13:30:22] <codi^r> not to the extend I needed[13:31:17] <codi^r> I basically built a "fat" custom serializer which uses reflection and annotations, mostly for the reason to not have to write any more custom serializers ;)[13:33:42] *** prinova <prinova!uid290416@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nhvjspjydvwzkjby> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[13:39:01] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[13:42:57] <blahblah> codi^r: ok i see[13:43:41] <blahblah> cool solved my problem with bundles, in the end I put the real i18n folder in android/ folder, and then in eclipse, i added a link in desktop and now it's working[13:45:59] <grim001> codi^r, have you used any reflection libs worth noting?[13:46:25] <grim001> I've heard Reflections is quite slow, also tried ClassIndex and it was broken after not being updated for years[13:53:31] <blahblah> w00t, now my game has internationalization support! :D[14:01:49] *** NinjaRat <NinjaRat!5ae3ec1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.227.236.28> has joined #libgdx[14:02:00] <codi^r> grim001 no libs, just stock Java 8 plus what libGDX wraps around it[14:02:23] <NinjaRat> Hi, have anyone else found issues with switching models with libgdx for Sony phones?[14:02:51] <grim001> I wound up writing my own solution for scanning packages and classes[14:03:08] <codi^r> the only slow part I've seen was to enumerate classes from a classloader[14:03:26] <codi^r> I only do this once and cache the results[14:04:47] <codi^r> my json serializer basically has an option to auto-register classes filtered by name patterns, e.g. "search me all classes which are annotated and inside my.package.*"[14:05:03] <codi^r> this one has quite some overhead[14:10:34] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@203.125.138.178> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[14:17:53] <NinjaRat> Hi, I'm having issues with Sony Xperia M5 when loading modelBatch in the application class (for keeping the model between different activities and fragments)[14:18:23] <NinjaRat> Wierdly, it only seems to occur on Sony Devices :/[14:18:25] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yygdydfekrhgecvy> has joined #libgdx[14:25:03] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.170.63> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:25:42] *** dsbk <dsbk!~Bokudesu@79-69-48-194.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:27:12] *** RazielXYZ is now known as Raziel[14:51:31] <NinjaRat> I keep getting the dreaded #iterator caonnt be nested error: https://pastebin.com/FkXYuiHm[14:51:40] <NinjaRat> Any thoughts on where to begin?[14:53:14] <NinjaRat> Happening on Android, but seems to only happen on Sony Devices primarily... Which is quite irritating :/[14:55:21] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.170.63> has joined #libgdx[15:07:36] <codi^r> is this the full callstack you got?[15:08:35] <codi^r> this error can usually have two reasons. a) you are using more Array iterators up your call chain, or b) multithreading[15:14:49] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/xrUtDu3.gif)[15:16:13] <NinjaRat> Yeah, I'll check it out some more...[15:18:04] *** jayhost <jayhost!~ian@c-174-60-11-126.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined #libgdx[15:32:09] <megasoft78> Hi guys,[15:32:31] <megasoft78> anyone trying to make a libgdx game running as an Google Play Instant Game?[15:32:32] <megasoft78> https://developer.android.com/topic/google-play-instant/getting-started/game-instant-app[15:33:03] <megasoft78> I'm trying but I'm not sure how to properly configure gradle[15:33:07] <megasoft78> :([15:41:40] *** NinjaRat <NinjaRat!5ae3ec1c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.227.236.28> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:48:10] *** galegosimpatico <galegosimpatico!~ec2-user@unaffiliated/ushiu> has joined #libgdx[15:48:54] *** wheeler <wheeler!3efd5782@gateway/web/freenode/ip.62.253.87.130> has joined #libgdx[15:50:20] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.170.63> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[15:54:10] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-e26b-0-f0a2-9f13-df35-526c.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[15:54:14] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-e26b-0-f0a2-9f13-df35-526c.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:01:21] *** bhas <bhas!4670ce2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.206.46> has joined #libgdx[16:01:51] <bhas> TEttinger: Its multiple textures plus geo[16:12:22] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has joined #libgdx[16:18:47] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.172.105> has joined #libgdx[16:22:06] <grim001> anyone have experience with the new G1 GC and how it impacts game performance?[16:27:19] <jayhost> grim001 looks like people use it to get more frames in Minecraft[16:27:47] <grim001> it's the new default in java 10[16:29:23] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[16:30:30] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:30:56] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has joined #libgdx[16:33:06] <grim001> according to verbose GC output I'm only getting 1-2 millisecond GC pauses typically[16:53:52] *** mk1 <mk1!5098fe1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.152.254.27> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[16:58:44] <jayhost> hmmm[17:05:08] <grim001> my current issue is that I'm getting minor hangs while my game starts up[17:05:53] <grim001> lasting about 0.05 seconds each, at about 1 second intervals for the first 6 to 8 seconds during startup[17:06:06] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@pd95b1f40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[17:06:07] <grim001> after that, they become much less frequent[17:06:18] <grim001> and it doesn't seem to correspond with GC activity[17:06:20] <jayhost> And what GC profiler are you using?[17:06:38] <jayhost> Which version of java?[17:06:53] <grim001> I was just observing the verbose GC output, tested it with java9 and java10 using G1 and CMS[17:07:09] <grim001> since the behavior is the same between versions and GCs it may not even be related[17:07:41] <grim001> also gave java a 4GB heap size to work with[17:07:57] <grim001> and monitored my executors for concurrent tasks, they aren't doing much[17:08:10] <grim001> all of the I/O tasks are completed beforehand[17:13:26] <jayhost> I would try java 7[17:16:47] <grim001> why is that[17:17:19] *** OtakuSenpai <OtakuSenpai!~OtakuSenp@117.194.192.180> has joined #libgdx[17:23:15] <wheeler> um, I didn't think libgdx worked with anything above 7?[17:23:26] <wheeler> or am I jumping into a conversation having not fully grasped things[17:23:29] <wheeler> (...again....)[17:23:58] <cackling_ladies> build limitation is android only afaik[17:24:14] <jayhost> Libgdx does work with java higher than 7[17:24:21] <jayhost> There are just some inconsistencies[17:24:22] <wheeler> oh, so you can make desktop on higher versions?[17:24:33] <jayhost> right[17:24:41] <wheeler> i think normal android apps can work on 8[17:24:55] <jayhost> Android is dalvik byte code[17:25:18] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@93-40-209-27.ip40.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC ()[17:28:04] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yygdydfekrhgecvy> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[17:42:25] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-e26b-0-8075-840-67a8-7e61.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has joined #libgdx[17:47:08] *** []J <[]J!~Z@115.63.172.105> has quit IRC ()[17:48:40] <jayhost> I havn't used anything higher than java 8 personally. Android doesn't seem to have docs for java 9[17:49:47] *** hextileX <hextileX!~Thunderbi@2001-4dd6-e26b-0-8075-840-67a8-7e61.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de> has quit IRC (Quit: hextileX)[17:50:17] *** smelc <smelc!~churlin@4be54-1-81-56-4-73.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[17:51:51] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkuybbsxcyuiczea> has joined #libgdx[18:01:08] *** OtakuSenpai <OtakuSenpai!~OtakuSenp@117.194.192.180> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[18:05:35] <blahblah> Any clue how to change the font of a SelectBox? I tried to do it the same was as for a Label, but it doesn't seem to work. Here is what I tried: https://pastebin.com/p77XevEb[18:05:45] <blahblah> s/was/way/[18:11:50] *** cobolfoo <cobolfoo!~cobolfoo@modemcable234.250-70-69.static.videotron.ca> has joined #libgdx[18:13:12] <blahblah> ok I just add to assign the font to selectBoxStyle.listStyle.font instead of selectBoxStyle.font[18:13:20] <blahblah> s/add/had/[18:16:44] <blahblah> or rather both need to be assigned[18:21:00] *** hello__ <hello__!b097d6c5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.176.151.214.197> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:22:13] *** Oebele <Oebele!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[18:33:00] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgfhmzcwevbdsrnb> has joined #libgdx[18:39:48] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[18:41:49] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@5468961A.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has joined #libgdx[18:41:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Xoppa[18:43:41] *** OtakuSenpai <OtakuSenpai!~OtakuSenp@117.194.192.180> has joined #libgdx[18:55:12] *** bhas <bhas!4670ce2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.112.206.46> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[18:57:53] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has joined #libgdx[19:06:14] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:40ff:a615:fbc6:4764> has joined #libgdx[19:16:23] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:19:38] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:23:35] <AsukaLSoryu> Is it a bad idea to mix scene2d with a non scene2d project?[19:24:15] <AsukaLSoryu> I've programmed my project without scene2d so far, but it looks really handy for making dialog boxes and menu screens[19:25:58] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has joined #libgdx[19:30:39] <myke> you can have a scene2d rendering stage separate from everything else[19:30:53] <myke> i have a game field and a ui layer that are completely separate[19:39:21] *** mipesom <mipesom!~mipesom@p200300E6EBDC7400F00DF7C591E9133D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:49:16] <grim001> just downloaded JProfiler and in 15 minutes of messing around found huge performance improvements[19:49:33] <grim001> too bad it's like $500 past the 10 day evaluation period[19:53:55] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #libgdx[19:54:34] *** mipesom <mipesom!~mipesom@p200300E6EBE3A30026A933E009174B59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #libgdx[19:55:04] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[20:00:29] *** Oebele_ <Oebele_!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[20:09:32] <TEttinger> grim001: the 4GB heap size with -Xms would take a while to allocate, make sure to specify big numbers with -Xmx for max instead of start[20:10:10] <grim001> good tip[20:12:03] *** cackling_ladies <cackling_ladies!~cackling_@117.5.165.228> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:12:59] *** cobolfoo <cobolfoo!~cobolfoo@modemcable234.250-70-69.static.videotron.ca> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[20:17:30] <TEttinger> I've found interesting stuff with "java -XX:+UnlockDiagnosticVMOptions -XX:+PrintAssembly some/class > asm.txt"[20:17:47] <TEttinger> it's a crazy huge mess, but it gives insight into when the JIT failss[20:19:59] <TEttinger> output looks like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqbnz9d0sxnkw9h/Dervish_asm.txt?dl=0[20:21:47] <TEttinger> the issue with that was that the "rol" instruction wasn't being produced, instead using shl , shr , and or along with some mov[20:22:06] <TEttinger> I think that version shows the JIT succeeding[20:26:35] *** oseph <oseph!~waxfigs@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has joined #libgdx[20:43:27] *** mxttie <mxttie!~mattie@94-224-64-59.access.telenet.be> has joined #libgdx[20:50:01] <bomb> speaking of low level TEttinger[20:50:12] <bomb> why do you think Azul is better for libgdx games?[20:53:56] <grim001> huge reduction in the GC churn of my game in just 1 hour of profiling[20:53:57] <TEttinger> do you mean Zing?[20:54:09] <TEttinger> wow, nice grim001[20:54:24] *** aurelius <aurelius!d44f6e79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.79.110.121> has joined #libgdx[20:54:32] <grim001> mostly getting sneaky allocations out of the low level areas of the main rendering loop[20:54:48] <grim001> but, it hasn't affected the startup lag during the first ~8 seconds[20:55:06] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/xrUtDu3.gif)[20:55:17] <TEttinger> are you setting up a lot of variables?[20:55:42] <TEttinger> my code for graphics with sprites definitely does a lot at startup[20:55:50] <grim001> in case you aren't aware, I'm not using libgdx, I'm using a custom written engine[20:56:01] <TEttinger> oh ok[20:56:04] <grim001> and there is an absolute ton of stuff done at startup[20:56:36] <TEttinger> bomb: Zulu is just OpenJDK built and made available for windows/mac/linux. Zing is also made by Azul, but has a real-time garbage collector[20:56:59] <grim001> I just can't figure out what precisely is causing these stutters or why they disappear, unless it's just JVM internal stuff[20:56:59] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[20:57:14] <grim001> doesn't match up with the GC[20:57:19] <TEttinger> could be hotspot[20:57:31] <bomb> Zing isn't free i guess[20:57:34] <TEttinger> I get jitters from hotspot JITing a method in benchmarks[20:57:39] <TEttinger> ding ding zing[20:58:01] <grim001> is there a way I can force it to pre-compile these methods? some JVM parameters?[20:58:28] <TEttinger> substrate will do it for linux I think, but AOT compilation tends to be hard on peak performance[20:58:59] <TEttinger> you give up apex to improve nadir[21:01:17] <TEttinger> https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/73c9vb/has_anyone_of_you_used_aot_compilation_on_java9/dnv8hm9/[21:01:29] <TEttinger> may also worsen worst-case it seems[21:01:49] <grim001> I guess on the 64 bit version of java there is no difference between server and client VMs[21:04:35] <TEttinger> on 9 and higher https://mjg123.github.io/2017/11/07/Java-modules-and-jlink.html[21:05:13] <grim001> wonder if jlink does much for game performance[21:05:23] <TEttinger> server is the only one available on 64-bit, but it defaults to some tiered or hybrid mode that gives most of the startup benefits of client whiile also optimizing[21:05:37] <TEttinger> you might need moditect to edit any dependencies[21:05:56] <TEttinger> https://github.com/moditect/moditect[21:07:31] *** cobolfoo <cobolfoo!~cobolfoo@modemcable234.250-70-69.static.videotron.ca> has joined #libgdx[21:07:37] <TEttinger> server VM is so much better at optimizing Java[21:08:16] <TEttinger> client is just very problematic since windows x86 only offers client[21:11:19] <grim001> even if I add large pauses post-startup, the same stutters are occuring[21:21:00] *** Zta <Zta!~stephan@static-5-186-52-63.ip.fibianet.dk> has joined #libgdx[21:21:48] *** mipesom <mipesom!~mipesom@p200300E6EBE3A30026A933E009174B59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:27:12] *** oseph <oseph!~waxfigs@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:30:16] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xgfhmzcwevbdsrnb> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:32:25] *** Oebele <Oebele!~quassel@143.177.58.202> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:34:58] *** mipesom <mipesom!~mipesom@p200300E6EBE49100DBA95BCE753125CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #libgdx[21:38:04] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pkuybbsxcyuiczea> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[21:58:34] <grim001> I spend 70 to 90% of each frame just waiting[21:59:05] <grim001> I'm starting to think it's an OpenGL issue related to driver work occuring after swapbuffers has been called[22:04:20] *** aurelius <aurelius!d44f6e79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.79.110.121> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:11:55] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has joined #libgdx[22:18:49] <bomb> made with javafx -------> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqhF6KvFx30[22:21:36] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:40ff:a615:fbc6:4764> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:31:06] *** waterCreature <waterCreature!~waterCrea@bb116-15-172-134.singnet.com.sg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:49:10] <grim001> so I have a weaker, older computer with a radeon graphics card[22:49:28] <grim001> and when I run the game on that computer, there is no abnormal hanging whatsoever during the first few seconds of startup[22:49:41] <grim001> in fact the framerate seems more consistent overall despite being lower on average[22:50:00] <grim001> so either my computer is janky or radeon's drivers are working better[22:57:12] *** megasoft78 <megasoft78!~megasoft7@net-109-115-245-121.cust.vodafonedsl.it> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:02:37] *** grim001 <grim001!~grim001@ip70-173-209-228.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:02:59] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[23:03:34] *** codi^r <codi^r!~CoDi@ip4d179dca.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has joined #libgdx[23:20:07] *** grim001 <grim001!~grim001@ip70-173-209-228.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined #libgdx[23:21:14] <grim001> hmm, how about that. a driver update seems to have cleared up the stutters[23:24:32] <grim001> man, it feels buttery smooth now.[23:35:08] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@5468961A.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:40:25] *** gerds0n <gerds0n!~textual@2a02:810d:9240:d58:dd9d:6eb5:84de:32f7> has joined #libgdx[23:42:20] *** waterCreature 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