May 4, 2018 
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May 4, 2018 [00:26:11] *** Xoppa <Xoppa!~Xoppa@5468961A.cm-12-1c.dynamic.ziggo.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:04:19] <SuckyNoob> awesome, bbl[01:04:22] *** SuckyNoob <SuckyNoob!~SuckyNoob@2607:fea8:7d1f:fd54:f43d:31c2:90a:d0f8> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:30:14] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zbqtrzqkgbmhjpmi> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[01:36:32] *** oseph <oseph!~waxfigs@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has joined #libgdx[01:38:39] *** vova_cons <vova_cons!~anbu@46.48.154.245> has joined #libgdx[01:40:28] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdvtmwfnbvmhlbel> has joined #libgdx[02:12:59] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has joined #libgdx[02:13:53] *** DB219 <DB219!4344a212@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.68.162.18> has joined #libgdx[02:24:54] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:48:07] *** oseph <oseph!~waxfigs@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Quit: bye.)[02:54:27] *** isdera <isdera!~isdera@cpe-74-78-187-102.maine.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:06:41] *** Zta <Zta!~stephan@static-5-186-52-63.ip.fibianet.dk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:14:47] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[03:43:35] *** ecv <ecv!d4a9b869@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.169.184.105> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[04:02:34] *** ecv <ecv!d4a9b83f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.212.169.184.63> has joined #libgdx[04:04:01] *** guardianxx <guardianxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[04:07:05] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:13:05] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[04:16:33] *** guardianxx <guardianxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:20:04] <guardianxxx> bok[04:23:41] <DB219> yup[04:53:57] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:54:22] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[05:03:06] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:03:33] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4194.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[05:18:21] *** guardianxx <guardianxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has joined #libgdx[05:18:25] *** DB219 <DB219!4344a212@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.68.162.18> has quit IRC ()[05:21:27] *** guardianxxx <guardianxxx!~guardian@b4194.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:21:47] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has joined #libgdx[05:38:20] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vdvtmwfnbvmhlbel> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[06:17:44] <grim001> I just got to name a variable whitePower[06:20:43] <TEttinger> go go power rangers[06:21:30] <TEttinger> you may also have the opportunity for hueHueHue[06:22:39] <grim001> already covered power rangers, I have redPower, greenPower, etc[06:26:40] <TEttinger> cyanPower[06:36:19] *** guardianxx <guardianxx!~guardian@b4FFD.static.pacific.net.au> has quit IRC ()[06:50:57] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:53:24] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has joined #libgdx[07:15:44] *** Megumiin <Megumiin!~Megumiin@unaffiliated/megumiin> has quit IRC (*.net *.split)[07:16:00] *** Megumiin <Megumiin!~Megumiin@unaffiliated/megumiin> has joined #libgdx[07:24:41] *** mujjingun <mujjingun!uid228218@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ybjjbbhajqmvoddp> has joined #libgdx[07:35:40] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lemxlxoizmcknkea> has joined #libgdx[08:15:21] *** TEttinger3 <TEttinger3!~TEttinger@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:15:51] *** TEttinger3 <TEttinger3!~TEttinger@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #libgdx[08:16:52] *** TEttinger <TEttinger!~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:17:33] *** TEttinger <TEttinger!~notostrac@76-217-24-171.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net> has joined #libgdx[08:31:20] *** mk1 <mk1!5098fe1b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.152.254.27> has joined #libgdx[09:15:43] <TEttinger> star warz[09:21:53] *** Ashiren <Ashiren!~Ashiren@host-62-61-44-66.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeow~)[09:22:10] *** Ashiren <Ashiren!~Ashiren@host-62-61-44-66.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #libgdx[09:33:12] <grim001> just started uploading a gallery of 13 screenshots[09:35:01] *** [AD]Turbo <[AD]Turbo!~ADTurbo@93-40-209-27.ip40.fastwebnet.it> has joined #libgdx[09:35:14] <[AD]Turbo> ciao all[09:37:01] <grim001> https://cubeupload.com/codes/90a544 if anyone cares to look- use direct links for best image quality[09:38:09] <TEttinger> indeed I do want to look! I also like cubeupload.[09:38:54] *** OtakuSenpai <OtakuSenpai!~Neel@45.250.58.254> has joined #libgdx[09:40:04] <TEttinger> very atmospheric, but it's hard to tell what's happening, maybe due to the images being still[09:41:36] <grim001> yes, everything is a lot clearer in motion[09:41:55] <TEttinger> probably affects the fog too, makes that more clear[09:42:08] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lemxlxoizmcknkea> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[09:42:22] <TEttinger> are you also the artist for the game?[09:42:23] <grim001> fog and noise/film grain are almost worthless without animation[09:42:45] <grim001> my girlfriend made most of the artwork that exists so far[09:42:56] <TEttinger> the depth on the creatures that allows the lighting seems pretty intense to make[09:43:26] <grim001> the normal maps are procedurally generated directly from the sprite artwork[09:43:37] *** intrigus <intrigus!uid114902@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fkyoktpkddtagxoq> has joined #libgdx[09:43:38] <TEttinger> wow, how does... how does that work?[09:43:52] <TEttinger> does the art need special prep?[09:44:14] <grim001> I actually use a little-known program called Sprite DLight for it[09:44:29] <grim001> I backed the kickstarter but it seems to have fizzled out before steam release[09:44:31] <TEttinger> I've seen sprite lantern or something[09:44:46] <grim001> sprite lantern kinda sucks by comparison, you need to draw several lighting angles by hand[09:44:54] <grim001> and it doesn't work well with low res sprite artwork[09:45:16] <TEttinger> ah this one I meant http://spritelamp.com/[09:45:19] <TEttinger> huh[09:45:53] <grim001> as far as how it works, it calculates the likely gradient at each point based on the rate of color change, but its algorithm is quite a bit more sophisticated than other programs I've tried[09:46:42] <grim001> it does a good job of giving the sprites an appropriate level of depth... or flatness for tiled surfaces[09:47:27] <TEttinger> nice[09:48:01] <TEttinger> wonder how it works with dithered art[09:48:05] <grim001> sometimes a little manual editing is required, nothing will be perfect[09:49:01] <TEttinger> still, impressive stuff[09:49:44] <TEttinger> the lighting work I can see being an issue for some players though, your game will be highly dependent on whether the user's monitor is any good, or if its gamma is calibrated correctly[09:49:57] <grim001> I may contact the author of the program and take over the project at some point if he doesn't continue it himself[09:50:01] <TEttinger> nice[09:50:20] <grim001> I could really use command line support for batch processing[09:51:21] <TEttinger> gamma has been an issue before IIRC with some assets people have used in here[09:51:37] <grim001> the majority of areas in the actual gameplay won't be as dark as those screenshots, but I do have something that helps with this[09:52:11] <TEttinger> I think someone was making a GWT game and assets appeared identical in one browser but very different in others; one asset was prepared as a PNG with gamma and the other without[09:52:33] <TEttinger> it was a total mess tracking it down haha[09:52:39] <grim001> I had to open and re-save each one of these 13 screenshots with GIMP to get them to show correct colors in the browser[09:52:47] <TEttinger> oh wow[09:52:58] <TEttinger> what was wrong before, sRGB stuff?[09:53:24] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has joined #libgdx[09:53:49] <grim001> possibly has to do with missing gamma information, I'd have to track it down to know for sure[09:54:25] <TEttinger> some browsers use the gAMA chunk of a PNG and others seem to ignore it or interpret it oddly[09:54:57] <grim001> whatever it is, re-saving in GIMP gets it to play nicely with chrome[09:54:59] <TEttinger> just like photoshop until the current version would selectively interpet the tRNS chunk for alpha[09:55:15] <grim001> many games that are very dark (like Dark Souls / Bloodborne) start the game with a brightness slider that helps you calibrate for your particular display, I'll definitely be including that[09:55:27] <TEttinger> neat[09:55:44] <grim001> but there's also the eye adaptation feature, which tends to brighten the screen substantially when everything is too dark to be pleasant to look at[09:55:57] <grim001> or likewise dims it if the lights are overpowering[09:56:03] <TEttinger> I'm guessing red-green color blindness adaptation is not on the list for features :)[09:56:20] <grim001> honestly, this game's concept is impossible to accomodate for colorblindness[09:56:29] <grim001> it would be like a musical game for deaf people[09:58:14] <grim001> that little UI display in the top left is what I've spent the last couple days working on- color is central to the game's combat and puzzle mechanics[09:58:39] <grim001> which is why this sophisticated lighting system isn't just for eye candy[10:01:29] <TEttinger> yep, I understand. the music game is a good analogy. just be aware that mark zuckerberg won't be singing your praises[10:01:39] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:01:41] <TEttinger> (he's red-green colorblind)[10:01:54] <TEttinger> this is useful to preview how an app looks http://colororacle.org/[10:05:12] <grim001> hmm, I guess lizardpeople don't have great color vision[10:05:25] <TEttinger> they see movement, yes[10:05:29] <[]J> >Eight percent of all males are affected by color vision impairment[10:05:34] <[]J> lol why no mention of females[10:05:37] <[]J> :1[10:05:41] <TEttinger> chromosomees[10:05:52] <TEttinger> it doesn't affect women at even 1%[10:05:52] <grim001> colorblindness is much less common amongst women[10:06:05] <[]J> hm.[10:06:15] <[]J> not worth developing for <#:)[10:06:20] <TEttinger> when women do have colorblindness it tends to be total[10:06:26] <grim001> a few women have even been documented to have a 4th useful cone type, allowing them to see some crazy shit[10:06:26] <TEttinger> and can't be adapted for[10:06:28] <[]J> woah[10:06:42] <TEttinger> yeah, tetrachromats[10:07:12] <TEttinger> it's very rare and may make seeing some things harder, at least how the majority expects you to see[10:07:31] <TEttinger> no men can be tetrachromats, due to chromosomal differences[10:09:19] <TEttinger> kinda like how supertasters tend to taste more things, but also taste more things as bad[10:09:39] <TEttinger> I'd imagine seeing bonus colors might not associate as pleasant[10:10:13] <grim001> there are some very interesting colors which you have probably never seen before that are possible to view under certain conditions[10:10:32] <TEttinger> oh god yeah those things. mccollough effect is similar[10:11:10] <TEttinger> I have a green grate on a fence here, I would freak out if I was under the mccollough effect and it turned red and sideways[10:11:35] <TEttinger> not sure if it changes color or just orientation[10:11:49] *** vova_cons <vova_cons!~anbu@46.48.154.245> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:12:07] *** vova_cons <vova_cons!~anbu@46.48.154.245> has joined #libgdx[10:12:32] <TEttinger> grim001: are these colors like a syncretic thing where you simultaneously see yellow and purple on one object?[10:12:54] <grim001> it has to do with the opponent process theory of color vision[10:13:10] <grim001> you can't see red and green simultaneously because they cancel each other out neurologically, same with blue and yellow[10:13:12] <TEttinger> man that would mess up your game huh, haha[10:13:26] <TEttinger> if you had to enter a color you can't normally see[10:13:39] <grim001> but if that neural mechanism becomes sufficiently fatigued, some people are able to see those impossible colors briefly[10:13:57] <TEttinger> oh, interesting[10:14:33] <grim001> you can also see luminous colors that have brightness beyond the normal human vision gamut and abyssal colors that are simultanously as dark as pitch black yet posessing a hue[10:14:47] <TEttinger> there's also a thing I've noticed re: fatigue where if I close one eye as a passenger in a car (or train, or whatever) and then 30 minutes later switch which eye is open, the two eyes see green differently[10:15:16] <TEttinger> like a tree looks dead with one eye and healthy with the other[10:15:19] <grim001> right, the eye undergoes all kinds of chemical and physical adaptations to adjust its dynamic range more than any camera can[10:16:19] <TEttinger> and that doesn't even start on animal kingdom eyes, with mantis shrimp seeing 12 different colors, some of which we can't even imagine... but that's it, they can't blend them[10:16:55] <TEttinger> polarized and circularly polarized light may appear to them as colors or maybe textures[10:17:00] <TEttinger> they can identify them[10:17:14] <grim001> speaking of polarized light[10:17:20] <TEttinger> oh boy[10:17:25] <TEttinger> polarity puzzles?[10:17:39] <grim001> I recently learned of an experiment anyone can do that showcases some quantum weirdness[10:17:56] <TEttinger> use a hard drive made after 2006[10:17:58] <grim001> I never even considered giving my lights polarity, not sure how I'd communicate that to the player[10:18:24] <grim001> too bad we don't have mantis shrimp eyes[10:18:30] <TEttinger> nah it's fine[10:18:47] <TEttinger> they see forest green, kelly green, hunter green... as one color[10:19:02] <TEttinger> they can't figure out the mixing of different channels[10:19:07] <TEttinger> it's majority wins[10:19:13] <grim001> anyway: you know how you can hold 2 pairs of polarized sunglasses at a 90 degree angle and block out 100% of light[10:19:23] <TEttinger> makes sense[10:19:43] <grim001> if you add a 3rd polarized filter at a 45 degree angle between them, it actually increases the amount of light that passes through[10:20:08] <TEttinger> ah, so it wasn't really blocked, just at an angle we couldn't perceive?[10:21:14] <TEttinger> or is it acting like a magnifying lens?[10:21:48] <grim001> not quite, it's got something to do with the wavelike nature of light, but it all depends on what interpretation of quantum mechanics you subscribe to[10:21:52] <TEttinger> it might pick up light from the sides too, the middle one[10:22:18] <grim001> under classical physics there is absolutely no way that photons of light could increase from adding an extra filter[10:22:28] <TEttinger> sure there is[10:22:44] <TEttinger> they can pick it up from focusing ambient light[10:22:59] <TEttinger> if the filter isn't filtering as expected, at least[10:23:36] <grim001> of course this experiment's validity is based on not making mistakes like allowing ambient light into it[10:23:56] <TEttinger> but yeah newtonian physics doesn't explain a bunch of things we use daily, such as 1TB HDDs[10:24:14] <grim001> even when there is no possible source of extra light, more light gets through, and in percentages that don't make sense in classical physics[10:24:25] <TEttinger> they use quantum tunneling magnetoresistance to get acccess to lower platters on the HDD[10:24:31] <TEttinger> oh neat[10:24:47] <TEttinger> I wonder if it's cycling the light somehow[10:25:07] <TEttinger> like capturing it so it goes in sync with the measurement[10:25:46] <grim001> the copenhagen interpretation would say that the light exists in a superposition that collapses upon measurement after passing through[10:26:17] <TEttinger> it enters the superposition by polarization?[10:28:07] <grim001> ahh, just watch this thing if you feel like it, I can't explain as well as the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqZHYo7ONs[10:29:03] <grim001> I still resist the interpretation of quantum mechanics that allows spooky action at a distance, but it's clear from the experiment that something odd is happening[10:29:23] <grim001> where they lose me is disallowing the local-realist interpretation by bringing quantum entanglement into it[10:30:00] <Tomski> polarizing filters dont just block everything without that polarization[10:30:40] <grim001> depends on the quality of the filter, but of course that can be accounted for experimentally[10:31:27] <Tomski> they just dont[10:31:48] <Tomski> otherwise you'd see very little light with just a single polarizer[10:33:10] <grim001> if filter A blocks out 50% of the light, and filter B blocks out another 50% of the light at a 90 degree angle from the first, and you have 25% light remaining... you wouldn't expect to go up to 85% light remaining by adding an extra filter inbetween at a 45 degree angle, unless something odd is happening[10:34:07] <Tomski> it doesnt blocko out 50% of the light[10:35:14] <grim001> I'm not an expert on polarization filters, I just play around with sunglasses[10:35:29] <grim001> you can watch the video if you want to go in depth on it[10:35:31] <Tomski> there is a really good resource[10:35:38] <Tomski> http://alienryderflex.com/polarizer/[10:35:39] <TEttinger> we can't see polarized light, but some animals can[10:35:40] <Tomski> Explains it very well[10:36:11] <TEttinger> the stuff that seems blocked is just not noticeable to us, i think[10:36:35] <Tomski> Its that the filters manipulate, not just block[10:37:23] *** bomb <bomb!bomb@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/bomb> has joined #libgdx[10:39:08] <TEttinger> so visible spectrum light might not be able to go past 100% of what entered the experiment, but it is almost always accompanied by UV and IR light, which I am guessing a filter could make visible[10:39:33] <TEttinger> could have some fun applications[10:42:18] <Tomski> if you add an infinite amount of filters between the 0 and 90 degree orientated polarizers you get 0 loss[10:43:54] <Tomski> mm actually maybe no 0[10:46:58] <Tomski> i guess it depeneds what you use for small angle approximations[10:53:19] <FattyOwl> what's your opinion on dependency injection when using libgdx?[11:02:20] <TEttinger> I am not familiar with it and haven't so far needed it[11:02:32] <TEttinger> you thinking dagger or guice or something?[11:02:41] <Tomski> FattyOwl: go for it :][11:03:11] <TEttinger> I'd say go for it if you are familiar and like using it[11:06:42] <TEttinger> nn[11:07:12] <bomb> DO EET FATTY[11:11:32] <FattyOwl> yep something lightweight[11:11:45] <FattyOwl> not talking about spring or anything[11:20:23] <Tomski> ye that probably wouldnt be fun on mobile[11:26:35] *** Thinkofname <Thinkofname!~Think@ns3091419.ip-5-135-185.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:41:31] *** Thinkofname <Thinkofname!~Think@ns3091419.ip-5-135-185.eu> has joined #libgdx[12:36:28] *** segurb <segurb!~segurb@unaffiliated/segurb> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/xrUtDu3.gif)[12:40:35] *** OtakuSenpai is now known as Nawab[12:40:40] *** Nawab is now known as Neel[12:55:48] *** codi^r 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I think I have more issues with the Java platform than the Java language at this point, but libGDX has been good to me[23:31:37] <bomb> TEttinger: try purebasic... http://www.purebasic.com/documentation/index.html[23:31:39] <TEttinger> I think the crappy android studio situation will cause continued losses to unity and cocos2d-x[23:32:49] <TEttinger> appears to have text 3d but no text 2d?[23:33:46] <TEttinger> oh lol[23:33:46] <TEttinger> Note: With Purebasic using a colored font is as yet not possible. This may be achieved by using the StartDrawing() function and then drawing directly on the visual area.[23:34:26] <bomb> i want it for GUIs[23:34:49] <bomb> i need tiny tools here and there, and PB can create 50 KB executables with native GUI[23:35:43] <TEttinger> I think Red can make smaller ones?[23:35:48] <TEttinger> not sure[23:36:05] <TEttinger> Red doesn't need a runtime, dunno about purebasic[23:36:18] <bomb> it's AOT compiled[23:36:50] <bomb> does Red support 64-bit Cocoa on macOS?[23:39:37] <TEttinger> not sure, I'll take a look. it does use native widgets[23:40:44] <bomb> red looks interesting[23:40:59] <bomb> 1 MB development toolchain :D[23:41:12] <bomb> now compare it to Android :P[23:42:21] <myke> my android phone has 3G ram[23:42:28] <myke> you're fighting the war of the past[23:44:57] <TEttinger> oh, nvm screw red https://www.red-lang.org/2017/12/leaping-into-future-red-goes-blockchain.html[23:45:36] <TEttinger> buncha techbros who can't program a GC want to be in charge of a currency[23:45:57] *** oseph <oseph!~waxfigs@173-230-191-187.cable.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[23:46:10] <myke> can't get away from that, even my dad wants to involve me in blockchain for ASICs used by the military[23:46:31] <TEttinger> everyone's dad wants in on blockchain[23:46:36] <TEttinger> what does that tell you?[23:46:51] <myke> i thought bitcoin crashed already and everyone was over it[23:47:53] <TEttinger> blockchain tech is significantly overvalued at this point and shoddy coding is likely going to leave gaping vulnerabilities in many currencies[23:48:24] <bomb> so i'm buying purebasic for 79 euros[23:48:47] <TEttinger> 50KB exe is nice yeah[23:48:59] <TEttinger> though that's likely a command-line exe[23:49:05] <bomb> nope, gui[23:49:27] <bomb> a canvas painting program is around 100 kb[23:49:42] <TEttinger> what dlls does it need to do that?[23:49:53] <TEttinger> just calling windows APIs?[23:49:58] <bomb> none. it all calls native win32 or Cocoa[23:50:00] <bomb> yeah[23:53:02] <bomb> freepascal does that too