[00:05:36] <kenneth_reitz> http://thechangelog.com/post/3186867001/episode-0-4-8-jenkins-formerly-hudson-with-kohsuke-kawag
[00:06:24] * rtyler already retweeted it :D
[00:06:29] <kenneth_reitz> :D
[00:06:32] <rtyler> I'm fast, like a cat
[00:06:38] <rtyler> that's why my friends call me whiskers
[00:06:53] <olamy> folks what replace http://maven.hudson-labs.org:8081/ ?
[00:07:04] <kenneth_reitz> ninja-like reflexes?
[00:07:16] <rtyler> olamy: maven.jenkins-ci.org:8081
[00:07:19] <rtyler> IIRC
[00:07:26] <olamy> or RTFM :-)
[00:07:31] <abayer> =)
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[00:09:07] <rpetti> damned remote streams are still closing before the chunks have finished writing data :(
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[00:09:59] <kenneth_reitz> I'm kind of annoyed by the number of times github is mentioned in the show notes
[00:10:22] <kenneth_reitz> should have written them myself
[00:10:23] <kenneth_reitz> :P
[00:10:57] <mwalling> those two love github
[00:11:05] <mwalling> i'm sorry, do they even know mercurial exists?
[00:11:12] * mwalling </rants>
[00:11:14] <kenneth_reitz> haha
[00:11:21] <kenneth_reitz> i'm a contributor, and also a github fanboy
[00:11:27] <kenneth_reitz> however it's almost annoying
[00:11:30] <mwalling> i know you were the first
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[00:11:41] <kenneth_reitz> how often it's mentioned
[00:11:42] <rtyler> hey guys
[00:11:48] <rtyler> have you heard about github
[00:12:00] <rtyler> github github github github github
[00:12:03] <mwalling> rtyler: what is that? a circle of gits?
[00:12:03] <rpetti> why no! tell us about it rtyler!
[00:12:15] <rtyler> rpetti: you haven't heard all the githubub?
[00:12:20] <kenneth_reitz> rtyler: GitHub has fueled an explosion in Jenkins community growth!!!
[00:12:27] <rpetti> oh man....
[00:13:26] <kenneth_reitz> hahaha
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[00:14:21] <kenneth_reitz> is there any talk of jython plugin support?
[00:14:34] <rtyler> I tried to build that at the very first hackathon I hosted
[00:14:37] <rtyler> did not go so well
[00:14:50] <kenneth_reitz> rtyler: too bad, that would be really awesome
[00:14:59] <kenneth_reitz> rtyler: what hangups did you encounter?
[00:15:08] <rtyler> Jython doesn't have support for annotations, which are effectively class decorators from Python 3
[00:15:21] <rtyler> jenkins plugins use loads of annotations
[00:15:38] <kenneth_reitz> really?
[00:15:41] <kenneth_reitz> hah, i had no idea
[00:15:43] <rtyler> really really
[00:16:00] * rtyler is the resident whiney python guy
[00:16:07] <kenneth_reitz> i thought it was 100% feature par with 2.6
[00:16:09] <rtyler> "waaaaahhh, but what about whitespace, waaahahhhhhh"
[00:16:18] <rtyler> Jython? god now, they're still in 2.5 land
[00:16:21] <rtyler> god no*
[00:16:24] <kenneth_reitz> oh wow
[00:16:33] <kenneth_reitz> shows you how much i pay attention to java :)
[00:16:33] <rtyler> Jython is one of those great ideas that nobody is putting effort into
[00:16:36] <rtyler> other than Jim Baker
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[00:16:40] <kenneth_reitz> that's a shame really
[00:16:44] <autojack> githubpubsubhubub?
[00:16:47] <rtyler> kenneth_reitz: STFU AND HACK ON IT
[00:16:49] <rtyler> xD
[00:16:53] <kenneth_reitz> hahahaha
[00:17:02] <rtyler> autojack: malkovich malkovichmalkovich. malkovich?
[00:17:07] <rtyler> lwomba;
[00:17:10] <nparry> I noticed that mail from JIRA claims to be coming from scm_issue_link at java dot net, is that left over from the old setup?
[00:17:19] <kenneth_reitz> i think pypy is doing jvm wok
[00:17:21] <kenneth_reitz> *work
[00:17:22] <rtyler> sounds like it
[00:17:38] <kenneth_reitz> so that'll fix that
[00:19:00] <rtyler> SEE
[00:19:07] <rtyler> you're just making up excuses not to hack on Jython
[00:19:14] <rtyler> why do you hate freedom
[00:19:17] <rtyler> xD
[00:19:18] <kenneth_reitz> hahaha
[00:19:32] <kenneth_reitz> my java useage is limited to IDEs and Jenkins
[00:19:38] <kenneth_reitz> and i intend to keep it that way :)
[00:19:50] <rtyler> this is why we can't have nice things kenneth_reitz
[00:20:07] <kenneth_reitz> did a bunch of groovy/grails dev a while back
[00:20:11] <kenneth_reitz> i'm still recovering
[00:20:33] <kenneth_reitz> rtyler: oooor, python could replace java
[00:20:42] <kenneth_reitz> :P
[00:20:44] <rtyler> kenneth_reitz: GLWT
[00:21:02] <rtyler> abayer will look forward to rejecting that pull request :-P
[00:22:10] <kenneth_reitz> wtf, the last jython release was in September 09?
[00:22:12] <kenneth_reitz> geeze
[00:23:43] <rtyler> all thanks to you
[00:23:52] <rtyler> we're all disappointed
[00:26:18] <abayer> hahahahaha
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[00:27:29] <rtyler> kenneth_reitz: don't get me wrong, I've thought about building Jenkins in Python more times than I can count
[00:27:35] <rtyler> but then I start to think of all the shit Jenkins does
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[00:39:51] <kenneth_reitz> rtyler: yeah, it'd be a nightmare.
[00:40:12] <rtyler> big software is big
[00:41:18] <evilpupu> McCanis
[00:41:53] <evilpupu> whoops. stupid android keyboardthingy.
[00:42:22] <rtyler> hah
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[01:07:38] <kenneth_reitz> why is this thread going around stating that jenkins is a fork of hudson?
[01:07:39] <kenneth_reitz> http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=317610
[01:08:06] <kenneth_reitz> i see nothing of the sort there
[01:08:38] <cybernd> isnt jenkins a fork?
[01:08:43] <abayer> No.
[01:08:54] <abayer> It's the original Hudson project renamed.
[01:09:32] <rcampbell__> yes, I remember voting to rename Hudson to Jenkins
[01:09:33] <cybernd> which means that oracles hudson is the fork now?
[01:09:40] <rpetti> yep
[01:09:42] <abayer> cybernd: That's how I see it, yeah.
[01:10:23] <abayer> kenneth_reitz: I think that was just one person's response to the thread.
[01:10:29] <kenneth_reitz> yeah
[01:10:39] <kenneth_reitz> it's being retweeted like crazy
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[01:11:45] <kenneth_reitz> upvote! http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/fhtdm/interview_with_hudson_creator_on_jenkins_and/
[01:11:56] <abayer> =)
[01:13:30] <abayer> In re: the tweet - I'm not really concerned about it. I think the overall public perception is pretty clear.
[01:15:28] <abayer> rtyler:  you there?
[01:15:35] <abayer> Did you see my agenda items earlier?
[01:17:00] <rtyler> nope
[01:17:06] <abayer> heh.
[01:17:15] <rtyler> been busy taking down the site
[01:17:21] <rtyler> read: screwin' the pooch
[01:17:26] <abayer> hoo...ray?
[01:17:31] <rtyler> no
[01:17:34] <rtyler> badness
[01:17:35] <rtyler> sadness
[01:17:37] <abayer> awww.
[01:17:38] <rtyler> madness
[01:17:46] <rtyler> all thanks to Robey at Twitter
[01:17:53] * rtyler sends the blame upstream
[01:18:48] <rtyler> abayer: do you have something on the wiki or on the dev list?
[01:19:14] <abayer> Nope, just here. I'm in a meeting atm - want me to try to remember things after?
[01:19:20] <rtyler> yes
[01:21:46] <rtyler> abayer: I'm wondering when I should publish a post, it's a little late for 24 hour notice
[01:21:52] <abayer> Yeah.
[01:22:03] <abayer> we suck.
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[01:39:36] <rtyler> rcampbell: I found your replies to @cbeust interesting, given he works on TestNG
[01:39:39] * rtyler boggles
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[02:04:29] <dhackner> yo abayer, do you work on Jenkins full time at cloudera?
[02:04:42] <abayer> I'm the build guy here - Jenkins stuff is part of my job.
[02:04:55] <dhackner> sweet
[02:05:48] <dhackner> so a lot of your contributions stem out of your day job's work
[02:06:16] <abayer> Well, they would if I had time to code much these days. =) But yes.
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[02:10:57] <dhackner> heh
[02:12:07] <btrim> I'm not the build guy where I work, per-say, but I am effectively the Jenkins guy (and the Trac guy, and the How do we integrate Trac with Salesforce guy, and?) Mostly it all ends up in a state where it just works though.
[02:12:17] <btrim> except of course when I take a day off
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[02:12:38] <btrim> then everything just goes to hell
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[02:17:57] <dhackner> lol
[02:18:01] <dhackner> btrim where do you work?
[02:19:10] <btrim> Bradford Networks
[02:19:30] <btrim> Network Security / NAC
[02:22:45] <btrim> I actually have what seems to be an unusual requirement that I need to solve with Jenkins, and I'm trying to figure out the right blend of plugins and config
[02:24:00] <btrim> I need to generate increasing odd build numbers
[02:24:10] <dhackner> err
[02:24:46] <btrim> yeah
[02:25:09] <btrim> but a (manually triggered) release build needs to be even
[02:25:24] <dhackner> why?
[02:25:27] <dhackner> are you doing that
[02:25:38] <btrim> I ask myself that question a lot
[02:25:44] <btrim> suffice it to say I have no control over it
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[02:27:12] <btrim> what I have works.  It just uses two jobs to do it
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[02:31:08] <ccutrer> btrim: that sounds oh so familiar
[02:31:38] <dhackner> yea, i have a few places where the solution was to just make a few more jobs than desired
[02:32:17] <ccutrer> there use to be several of us - one was the trac guy, one was the redmine guy, one was the gerrit guy, one was the hudson guy
[02:32:34] <ccutrer> now they've all left, I'm the only one still around, so I've inherited all of those "positions"
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[02:37:46] <bap2000> can anyone help me figure out why the infra_update_center job is not picking up my new plugins? - I thought it was all a bit too easy ;-)
[02:38:50] <bap2000> I managed to succesfull release publish-over-{ftp,ssh} plugins to the jenkins releases repo
[02:40:15] <bap2000> I have searched for them in the console output of infra_update_center and iuc_legacy jobs (which I guess is what is scanning for info for the update center json
[02:41:08] <bap2000> ... but did not find any mention
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[02:47:09] <btrim> ccutrer: I have to admit I do somewhat enjoy dealing with these things.  They give me some time off my primary work
[02:47:53] <ccutrer> yeah, I enjoy them as well, but they tend to suck more time than I have from my primary work
[02:47:56] <ccutrer> which I enjoy even more
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[03:53:31] <buadmog> Hi. I'm Oliver Ghingold, the editor of A&E for the Bloomsburg University student newspaper. Would anyone be willing to grant "The Voice" an interview about the recent name-change that the jenkins-ci made?
[03:58:11] <rcampbell> rtyler, that was exactly my point.  testng took a beating to junit because of innovation, even though most developers think junit == unit testing.
[03:59:11] <rcampbell> also, see google v. microsoft
[04:00:38] <rcampbell> ah well, put up or shutup, I'm tired of flames
[04:00:52] <abayer> +1
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[04:28:11] <btrim> I don't see a component in jira for the new openid plugin.  can someone create one or should I use "other"
[04:28:24] <abayer> Gimme one sec.
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[04:28:58] <abayer> Created.
[04:30:05] <btrim> thanks
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[06:49:55] <harpreet> Hi Everyone, I have a small question
[06:50:40] <harpreet> I want to run one project from another but not with the plugin. I mean i want to run it from the execute shell.
[06:50:44] <harpreet> is that possible.
[06:51:20] <harpreet> FYI: I want to do that as i want to make the next job variable rather than a fixed job.
[06:57:41] <rtyler> kohsuke: I've run out of time tonight, I don't think I have any meeting agenda stuff to post
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[07:26:06] <cliffano> does anyone know if the apt-get install hudson remove jenkins http://twitter.com/#!/wakaleo/status/35193974020902912 was debian/ubuntu's call or oracle's?
[07:28:05] <lifeless> hudson isn't in ubuntu or debian yet
[07:28:13] <lifeless> so definitely not Ubuntu/debian's call.
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[07:36:50] <cliffano> i see
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[08:19:41] <lifeless> kohsuke: btw
[08:19:52] <lifeless> http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/OpenID+plugin - version 1.0 - 20*10*
[08:19:56] <lifeless> kohsuke: ITYM 2011
[08:22:48] <_W_> guess someone considers this a war
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[09:34:37] <ggi> harpreet: you can use CLI: http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Jenkins+CLI
[09:35:44] <harpreet> ggi: thanks, checking
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[09:46:16] <ggi> harpreet: also depending on what you need, maybe it's enough with this plugin: http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Parameterized+Trigger+Plugin
[09:48:07] <harpreet> ggi: this plugin is not enough as depending on this plugin i need to call the next job from shell inside jobs configuration
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[09:50:49] <ggi> harpreet: then CLI is your friend, try something like this: java -jar hudson-cli.jar -s http://<hudson-server>/ build <job-name> , if you have security enable you will need to pass --username and --password parameter
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[09:52:57] <harpreet> ggi: what if i run it from job itself , then do we need to pass username and password
[09:56:57] <ggi> harpreet: I think that yes
[09:57:31] <harpreet> ggi: okie thanks
[09:57:48] <ggi> harpreet: welcome
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[12:36:06] <foertel> hu hu
[12:36:22] <Weltraumschaf>  hi
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[12:38:48] <foertel> i'm looking for best pratice ? i've got a package (contains Build/ Framework/ MyApplication/) and MyApplication in two different flavors ? to test MyApplication I need the package, because it contains stuff like the BaseTestCase
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[12:39:13] <foertel> I can't test MyApplication inside the package cause that's not the up-to-date version
[12:40:00] <foertel> i think about either building the package without testing and then in cascade build MyApplication in another project but into the package's workspace
[12:41:48] <foertel> or ? yeah ? is there an "or"? ;)
[12:42:18] <Weltraumschaf> sory, i do not use jenkins to build java stuff
[12:42:25] <foertel> it's php ;)
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[12:48:32] <Weltraumschaf> ah, ok, i also build php stuff
[12:49:50] <Weltraumschaf> i do not really understand your problem... you have a lib that you packahae, right? make a job for that which tests and package the lib
[12:50:11] <Weltraumschaf> and make a job for the application taht integrates the latest stable lib package
[12:50:33] <Weltraumschaf> but dont know if this matches your problem
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[13:35:41] <foertel> Weltraumschaf: now my app (MyApp/) depends on a Framework (Framework/)
[13:35:52] <foertel> so my app is allways deployed bundled with that Framework
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[13:36:17] <foertel> now i wanna test MyApp but in that wokring MyApp git checkout there is no framework ;)
[13:36:19] <foertel> it's just the app
[13:36:29] <foertel> so i have to get jenkins to fetch the framework from somewhere else
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[13:52:53] <Weltraumschaf> why that? do you deploy MyApp without the framework???
[13:53:03] <Weltraumschaf> are u using svn or git?
[13:53:57] <foertel> git
[13:54:02] <Weltraumschaf> u can make the framework buiuld that way, that it on success deployes a tarball of the framework somewhere, and then u can fetch the tarbal in the build phase of the MyApp
[13:54:06] <Weltraumschaf> use submodules
[13:54:07] <foertel> no, deploy is allways with the framework
[13:54:14] <foertel> but the project in gerrit is only the app
[13:54:29] <Weltraumschaf> u can include the the stable tag of ur frameworks git as a submodule in ur my app
[13:55:29] <Weltraumschaf> what u'r doing here is a integration test. u wanna test the integration from the framework within the app. either u mock out all framwork stuff or u integrate it. latter is the better aproach i think
[13:56:35] <foertel> i don't care for the framework ;) but i need the baseTestCase, the bootstrapper, etc pp
[13:56:52] <foertel> yeah, i don't wanna tag all my framework releases and stuff
[13:57:02] <foertel> i will have a deeper look into cascading projects first
[13:57:38] <Weltraumschaf> that makes no sense, when u wanna build your ap without the epending libs
[13:58:25] <Weltraumschaf>  depending i meant
[13:59:21] <foertel> no ? i wanna build my app inside the last stable distribution ? but the distribution contains the myApp itself ? but not the one I wanna test
[13:59:31] <foertel> i wanna test my developer myApp in the last stable Framework
[14:01:01] <Weltraumschaf> MyApp is the "example" implementation inside the framework?
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[14:04:33] <foertel> ich verstehe nicht, was du meinst :) also ich hab ein Gesamtpaket, das hat nen Packages/ ordner, da liegen Applications/ und Framework/ drin ?
[14:04:43] 
[14:05:02] <foertel> in Application/ liegt meine individuelle App drin, nennen wir sie mal MyApp
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[14:55:07] <btQuark> hurr. jvanzyl realy tries some spin against jenkins
[14:55:13] <btQuark> not that nice
[14:56:34] <amitev> actually he supports hudson
[14:56:44] <amitev> the oracle property?
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[15:38:38] <foertel> hey ho ;)
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[15:48:17] <foertel> mh ? in GIT scm you can specify multiple branches and repos but you can't choose a folder for each of them
[15:48:33] <foertel> why would I want to checkout multiple repos/branches into the same folder?
[15:49:09] <dregin> Hi, is there any documentation on bringing VMWare ESXi Virtual Machines up and down before and after jobs are run?
[15:49:33] <dregin> I see the VMware plugin only supports VMWare server and is soon to be deprecated.
[15:55:22] <wyrdvans> Is it normal for jenkins to keep ssh connections open for all jobs that have scm polling using svn+ssh?
[15:57:01] <evilpupu> dregin: there should be a lab manager plugin, that doesn't suit your needs?
[15:57:51] <dregin> I'll take a look at it, thanks :)
[16:01:45] <evilpupu> np :) tho it needs the lab manager infra... I don't know if ESXi itself sports any sane API.
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[16:07:00] <alecx> I put this question also yesterday - maybe today I have luck: I want to use the send e-mail option in hudson. I use Hudson version 1.368 on one PC to do that and it works ok without authentication. In the version 1.383 on another PC this doesn't work - I get the error: Failed to send out e-mail javax.mail.AuthenticationFailedException  at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:306) I tested sending e-mails without authentication with
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[16:11:25] <mwalling> alecx: your message is longer then irc lets you do in one line... i think someone suggested you try the users mailing list
[16:12:35] <mwalling> alecx: oh, you didnt see the suggestion to try the list... you had timed out of the web gateway
[16:13:13] <alecx> mwalling: thank you for the suggestion
[16:13:27] <mwalling> alecx: it was rpetti's, i'm just repeating it :)
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[16:23:31] <sebs> Hello
[16:23:57] <sebs> Is there a doc describing a out of GIT build for jenkins?
[16:24:12] <sebs> Something must create the war and i suspect i need some maven magic for it? ait?
[16:24:42] <mikko> probably 'mvn clean package'
[16:25:02] <sebs> ah okay, will add maven ;9 ty
[16:25:04] <rpetti> mvn clean install -Dmaven.test.skip=true
[16:25:32] <rpetti> http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Building+Jenkins
[16:26:08] <sebs> ;) i like
[16:26:14] <sebs> so i am silent now ;) Thanks
[16:33:55] <bradfh> ~.
[16:34:13] <bradfh> doh
[16:37:44] <sebs> narf ;)
[16:37:50] <sebs> some deps are not resolving
[16:38:07] <sebs> too stupid for maven, ant made my brain simple ;)
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[16:47:31] <olamy> mvn clean install -DskipTests -pl war -am :-)
[16:49:44] <tmcquiet> I'm new to jenkins and trying to use the extended email plugin. Using the $FILE token, can anyone explain where i assign the filename?
[16:50:00] <aheritier> olamy: >> -DskipTests !!!!!
[16:50:05] <aheritier> RHOOO
[16:50:11] <olamy> :-)
[16:51:01] <olamy> at least tests are compiled :-)
[16:51:18] <olamy> so to test the war I want stuff !
[16:51:25] <olamy> fast stuff
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[17:19:33] <Creeture> Mornin. Every time I save my config, it adds a CN=Configuration,CN={...} entry for rootDN which breaks my LDAP config. Any idea how to keep it from autopopulating that field? A simple blank entry works fine for me.
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[17:54:44] <banoss> JENKINS-5764
[17:55:01] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-5764:incremental builds leave modules unbuilt upon failure (Open) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/5764
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[18:00:27] <foertel> if i have a project with gerrit trigger can I hand over the $GERRIT_REFSPEC to cascading projects?
[18:00:32] <foertel> or env variables in general
[18:02:32] <ccutrer> foertel: you can handle the refspec, but the gerrit trigger will only report back to gerrit the status of the project that it actually triggered
[18:02:45] <foertel> ah ok ?
[18:03:01] <ccutrer> http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Parameterized+Trigger+Plugin
[18:03:09] <foertel> i can't trigger project2 via gerrit, which FIRST runs project1 and then itself, can I?
[18:03:22] <ccutrer> that's the plugin you use to trigger a downstream job and pass along parameters
[18:04:15] <ccutrer> you could have gerrit trigger project2, and part of project2's build steps are to trigger project1, and wait for it to complete (scripting all of this using wget or curl or similar)
[18:04:30] <foertel> uah, sound fragile :D
[18:04:34] <ccutrer> you'd need at least two executors, since project2 would essentially be "stalled" waiting for project1
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[18:04:43] <ccutrer> yeah, there may be a better way to do that
[18:04:55] <ccutrer> http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Locks+and+Latches+plugin maybe?
[18:05:14] <ccutrer> but maybe not; I haven't used that plugin at all
[18:06:43] <foertel> hm
[18:06:57] <foertel> i'm looking for some kind of dependency plugin ;)
[18:07:08] <foertel> project2 would not build without project1 been built before
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[18:17:31] <rtyler> Good morning #jenkins
[18:18:37] <rpetti> y hallo thar
[18:20:55] <foertel> it's 6 p.m. ;)
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[18:46:06] <rtyler> kohsuke: I think I have an interview during this week's meeting
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[19:10:46] <littlebayer> so I just replaced my old hudson.war with the new jenkins war and when it starts it seems the web never gets past the "Please wait while Jenkins is getting ready to work" screen
[19:11:02] <abayer> How long has it been going?
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[19:11:22] <littlebayer> at least 5 minutes now
[19:11:43] <abayer> Hrm. Check the log to see if it's saying anything strange there?
[19:11:44] <littlebayer> i stopped it and started it again after waiting longer than that
[19:12:51] <littlebayer> "Trying to advance state whhen not the owner. owner: Prober(computer) state: probing 1 perpetrator: Prober(computer) state: probing 1"http://dpaste.com/399293/plain/
[19:12:53] <littlebayer> oops
[19:12:55] <littlebayer> http://dpaste.com/399293/plain/
[19:13:17] <abayer> Augh, the mdns stuff.
[19:13:29] <littlebayer> are those warnings the problem?
[19:13:46] <abayer> I dunno. I've had weird problems that have correlated with that sort of spam in the log.
[19:14:07] <littlebayer> is there some setting that i need to configure that i might not have had before?
[19:14:25] <littlebayer> do i need to force a bind address?
[19:14:33] <abayer> See http://luskwater.blogspot.com/2010/10/hudson-ci-and-mdns.html for how to turn it off. That might help.
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[19:16:16] <abayer> And if that doesn't help, get a thread dump.
[19:16:50] <littlebayer> if i send the break signal to the process will the dump show up in the log?
[19:17:06] <abayer> jstack (pid)
[19:17:13] <littlebayer> interesting
[19:17:25] <abayer> Ahyup - I always forget about it.
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[19:18:59] <littlebayer> now i have to remember how the silly service is configured
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[19:19:08] <littlebayer> geez, making my life difficult
[19:19:16] <abayer> You probably deserve it. =)
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[19:19:59] <abayer> When do you go to Japan?
[19:20:17] <banoss> Guys. I would love to get this fixed - JENKINS-5764 - would be happy to look into it myself but I've never looked at the Hudson sources can anyone narrow down where I can start looking?
[19:20:20] <littlebayer> how do you normally set environment variables for the service, do you use the user's profile or do you just set them in the initd script?
[19:20:28] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-5764:incremental builds leave modules unbuilt upon failure (Open) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/5764
[19:20:38] <littlebayer> I leave for tokyo on Mar. 2nd
[19:20:49] <abayer> lifeless: init.d, generally, I think.
[19:21:55] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 497 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #458 18 days ago)
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[19:22:28] <abayer> banoss: around line 539 in maven-plugin/src/main/java/hudson/maven/MavenModuleSetBuild.java.
[19:23:07] <banoss> wow thats pretty specific :) thanks
[19:23:12] <abayer> =)
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[19:24:24] <jieryn-w> abayer: the problem with jmdns is apparently resolved already by updating to jmdns-3.4.0
[19:24:31] <jieryn-w> but it's one of our private libs so... who the hell knows
[19:24:38] <abayer> If you can figure out the right logic to get that to work properly without spamming a lot of extra module builds, I'm all for it.
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[19:25:02] <littlebayer> according to oracle you guys are terrible developers because of those libraries
[19:25:07] <abayer> jieryn-w: I'm not even sure where we're getting the mdns stuff from in the first place. =
[19:25:10] <abayer> )
[19:25:13] <abayer> littlebayer: =P
[19:25:27] <banoss> abayer: game on
[19:25:31] <littlebayer> i on the other hand think you guys are awesome
[19:25:42] <mwalling> 18 != 19. please carry on.
[19:25:50] <jieryn-w> abayer: jmdns is a lib, i'm not sure why kk forked it
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[19:26:26] <jieryn-w> core/pom.xml org.jvnet.hudson:jmdns:3.2.1-hudson-1
[19:26:30] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-1:Ability to push the build results to another Hudson (Resolved) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/1
[19:26:34] <abayer> Aaaah.
[19:26:48] <rtyler> jieryn-w: there was a time when kohsuke forked dependencies out of habit, I think that's starting to change
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[19:27:09] <banoss> dont fork! Write tests.
[19:27:20] <jieryn-w> forking is faster in the case for most of our private libs
[19:27:30] <banoss> speed kills :)
[19:27:31] <jieryn-w> but w/out pushing for fixes upstream, it's bad
[19:27:52] <jieryn-w> i guess
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[19:28:34] <littlebayer> disabling mdns fixed it
[19:28:56] <lifeless> abayer: ?
[19:29:05] <abayer> ?
[19:29:09] <abayer> littlebayer: woo!
[19:29:47] <littlebayer> is it worth it to go and change the names of stuff on my server, or will i be happy leaving everything as "hudson"?
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[19:29:56] <abayer> eh, I think you're fine for now.
[19:30:23] <mwalling> littlebayer: i dont think orcale can enforce url component names... :)
[19:30:37] * mwalling has stupid users, they wouldnt understand
[19:31:06] <littlebayer> i'd be surprised if they ever found this one little install sitting on a virtual server in the cloud
[19:31:12] <littlebayer> i don't even know where the server actually is
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[19:42:39] <littlebayer> everytime i see the console output page i'm impressed
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[19:48:57] <evilchili> well if I'm not going to win an ipad, I'm not coming to the meeting. sheesh.
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[19:49:51] <chrislerum> ah cool, like the new name. 'round these parts, everyone seems to still say hudson.
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[19:50:12] <dhackner> chrislerum: correct them!
[19:50:14] <chrislerum> but then once upon an afternoon, people though iPad was a funny sounding name
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[19:53:25] <abayer> crap, gotta go move my car - should hopefully be back by the start of the meeting.
[19:55:08] <mwalling> dude wheres my car?
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[20:01:44] <abayer> Hooray I'm back.
[20:01:59] <rtyler> YAY
[20:02:05] <rtyler> today is WFH day right?
[20:02:12] <abayer> Hence the car moving need.
[20:02:22] <abayer> I didn't *have* to move the car 'til noon, but yeah.
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[20:03:52] <mwalling> wait, you have snow emergencies in california?
[20:04:04] <abayer> No, street cleaning.
[20:04:16] <rtyler> no, SF parking requires you move your car every 47 minutes
[20:04:23] <mwalling> rtyler: it is SF
[20:04:26] <mwalling> abayer: aaahhh
[20:04:30] <rtyler> or Nancy Pelosi will come beat you with a rainbow hammer
[20:04:49] <eric_n_dfw> post that to YouTube, please!
[20:04:50] <mwalling> rtyler: i loled, cubemate stared
[20:04:53] <eric_n_dfw> lol
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[20:05:05] <abayer> Actually, this was just bad luck on my part last night.
[20:05:09] <rtyler> robobutler: you awake?
[20:05:10] <robobutler> rtyler: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
[20:05:13] <rtyler> good
[20:05:19] <rtyler> #help
[20:05:27] <mwalling> rtyler: #listcommands
[20:05:31] <mwalling> irtfmkthx
[20:05:31] <rtyler> eh, he's awakeish
[20:05:37] <eric_n_dfw> we're all WFH here in DFW too - because it's ice death-match out there on the roads
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[20:05:43] <dhackner> can I change the "System Admin email address" for specific jobs? I want to send emails from jenkins-iphone@/jenkins-android@/etc.
[20:05:46] <abayer> There was a concert a couple blocks away at the Independent and there was no parking available in my neighborhood, so I had to drive in circles 'til I found somewhere to park, and got stuck with a 12-2 street cleaning spot.
[20:06:07] <abayer> dhackner: There's actually a bug open to set the reply-to on a per-job basis - this sounds related.
[20:06:28] <dhackner> yes, that would be awesome-tastic
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[20:07:23] <abayer> Ok, let's start the meeting?
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[20:07:30] <abayer> kohsuke: you still not here? =)
[20:07:30] <rtyler> is kohsuke awake?
[20:07:35] <rtyler> dty?
[20:07:36] <dhackner> abayer: what's this meeting about?
[20:07:38] * hare_brain bangs the gavel
[20:07:43] <rtyler> ah there he is
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[20:07:53] <abayer> dhackner: Semiregular public governance meeting.
[20:08:00] <dhackner> tasty
[20:08:00] <littlebayer> do i get to participate?
[20:08:01] <abayer> We're still figuring out exactly what that means.
[20:08:07] <abayer> Sure!
[20:08:08] <rtyler> littlebayer: technically yes ;)
[20:08:16] <abayer> Nepotism ftw!
[20:08:29] <dhackner> there are others!
[20:09:07] <littlebayer> i move the project be renamed to "look at us now, oracle!"
[20:09:09] <abayer> #startmeeting
[20:09:10] <robobutler> Let the Jenkins meeting commence!
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[20:09:24] <abayer> Ok, we don't have a real agenda again. Sorry. We suck.
[20:09:44] <mwalling> #info we should really have an agenda :)
[20:09:52] * mwalling runs
[20:09:55] <abayer> The only thing I really have to talk about here is the JIRA discussion on the mailing list.
[20:09:59] <abayer> mwalling: No, you're right.
[20:10:11] <abayer> #topic JIRA - project reorganization and bug triage?
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[20:10:48] <abayer> #info So a while back, I pushed the idea of separating plugins from core in JIRA, so that we could actually use fix versions on core at the very least. This never got done, because I, well, never did it.
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[20:11:05] <abayer> #info The subject has come up again on the mailing list and seems to have a lot of support.
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[20:11:19] <mwalling> i support that idea, contingent on jenkins-admin being able to support it
[20:11:36] <rtyler> abayer: when you say separating, you mean into separate projects right?
[20:11:39] <abayer> Yes.
[20:11:45] <jieryn-w> core / plugins / infra   ?
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[20:11:52] <abayer> Something like that, yeah.
[20:11:52] <jieryn-w> or 1:1 plugin:jira proj  ?
[20:12:00] <abayer> Nooooo, that's insane and hard to pull off.
[20:12:24] <rtyler> oh, I thought you mean "jabber plugin project" in JIRA
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[20:12:47] <abayer> #info For starters, I think we're only talking about one project for Jenkins core, one project for Jenkins plugins, one project for Jenkins infrastructure. Eventually, a separate project for some individual plugins may make sense, but that's a *lot* of work to get going right off the bat.
[20:13:01] <jieryn-w> i think ideally we would have 1 for 1, but as stated, it'd be sadistic to make volunteers support that kind of infrastructure headache
[20:13:23] <mwalling> can jira programaticly create projects?
[20:13:26] <tom_huybrechts> how hard  is it to create a project in jira ? (just asking, have no idea)
[20:13:45] <abayer> Yeah. We're going to need help getting core/plugins split (given my limited time right now due to actual work) - maintaining versions, etc for 300 projects would be a little hellish.
[20:14:15] <jieryn-w> i think this is a good start, let's do this in phases
[20:14:34] <abayer> tom_huybrechts: Not very, but with a lot of projects, you clutter the UI, you have to either give admin access to each plugin developer so that they can create new versions or have the admins do that by hand, etc...
[20:14:34] <rtyler> what if there's a concept of promotiong
[20:14:55] <rtyler> by default all plugins are components in the "plugins" project, if there's enough activity/demand, they can be promoted out
[20:15:01] <abayer> rtyler: I kind of tend to think we should first split to core/plugin/infra, and then see hwo that works out.
[20:15:11] <rtyler> some plugins receive very little attention, others receive boatloads
[20:15:14] <abayer> And then see if we want to start promoting plugins, etc.
[20:15:15] <redsolo> FYI, there is a CLI for jira that allows to automate the project creation
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[20:15:57] <tom_huybrechts> if we could do it just for those plugins developers that ask, and then delegate project admininstration to him...
[20:16:06] <redsolo> but im happy to have one separate for core itself as well, as core is the one that needs a version nr
[20:16:31] <abayer> #idea Split into three projects to start (core, plugins, infra), see how that goes, and then review after a couple months to see if we want to start moving on plugins getting their own projects, etc.
[20:16:46] <rtyler> sounds good to me
[20:16:49] <larrys> And don't forget SECURITY
[20:16:58] <larrys> for sensitive reports.
[20:17:04] <abayer> larrys: Good point. that one won't go away.
[20:17:16] <jieryn-w> the other aspect to jira discussion is the resolved->closed debate
[20:17:18] <abayer> #idea addendum - SECURITY project remains as is.
[20:17:39] <abayer> Does anyone have a problem with the three-way split to start proposal?
[20:17:55] <abayer> Ok then.
[20:18:21] <abayer> #agreed Three-way split of JENKINS into core/plugins/infra, to be coordinated with volunteer help 'cos we have limited time. =)
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[20:18:31] <abayer> Now, yes, resolved->closed.
[20:19:04] <abayer> #info We have a verified status in JIRA. This is there basically just because java.net's Issuezilla setup had it, and so when I did the migration, I added verified so that we didn't have to mess with bug status.
[20:19:36] <abayer> #info Verified is not really useful, and is in fact kind of confusing.
[20:19:55] <redsolo> Im for removing it, as verified = Closed in my eye... otherwise its yt another bug status that issues will stay in
[20:19:56] <abayer> #info That just makes the question of how to determine when a bug goes from resolved to closed even hairier.
[20:20:15] <abayer> redsolo: I tend to agree. It's superfluous for our workflow.
[20:20:41] <jieryn-w> agree
[20:20:46] <abayer> #idea Move all bugs in Verified -> Closed (automated process to do this) and nuke the Verified status.
[20:20:57] <mwalling> ,1
[20:20:59] * rtyler digs it
[20:21:00] <abayer> Any opposition?
[20:21:09] <mwalling> ok, that was a +... stupid putty
[20:21:21] <abayer> #agreed Kill Verified.
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[20:21:27] <abayer> #action abayer to kill verified.
[20:21:48] <abayer> #action abayer specifically to kill verified by next Monday.
[20:21:56] <abayer> (I need to put in deadlines on actions or I won't get around to them)
[20:22:08] <banoss> night night
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[20:22:21] <rtyler> heh
[20:22:22] <jieryn-w> ok, still need to address 'resolved' status
[20:22:27] <abayer> indeed.
[20:22:28] <jieryn-w> verified only has 26 jira in it
[20:22:40] <abayer> #idea There's ambiguity as to how/when a bug goes from resolved->verified.
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[20:22:47] <wolfs> What should/is be the actual workflow?
[20:22:47] <abayer> #info I am dumb.
[20:22:53] <abayer> #info resolved->closed, info not idea.
[20:23:02] <abayer> wolfs: That's the question, I think.
[20:23:21] <wolfs> Should there be a review step in Jira?
[20:23:41] <abayer> wolfs: code review or end-user review?
[20:23:52] <wolfs> Code Review I'd say
[20:24:02] <abayer> Code review we want to get in place - that's a big TODO.
[20:24:10] <jieryn-w> if kk ships code to address a jira, but the problem still happens - then it technically is a new problem because there's new code which is triggering it
[20:24:14] <jieryn-w> so i think that warrants a new jira
[20:24:14] <abayer> But that'd just be for core.
[20:24:36] <jieryn-w> or at least, re-open old one ;; but once code is shipped to address it, and dev believes it should be fixed, then go to closed state
[20:24:37] <mwalling> sounds like the has_patch trac flag that django uses
[20:24:47] <larrys> We got into a situation where we worked on changing our internal jira structure, and we quickly evolved into a huge massively complex workflow that became too clerical since it had steps that did not apply to everything? We started using the Labels plugin to mark other things on the issues...
[20:24:48] <redsolo> I think that is done before an issue is resolved
[20:24:49] <abayer> jieryn-w: +1 on re-open rather than new issue.
[20:25:19] * jieryn-w nods
[20:25:30] <abayer> #idea A fairly simple workflow: when the developer fixes the bug (so far as they know), state goes to resolved. When the reporter verifies the bug is fixed, state goes to closed.
[20:25:35] <redsolo> abayer: agree, dont want to spam the JIRA and it easier to see the history in the issue (code commits, etc)
[20:26:00] <jieryn-w> i think that is the ideal way, abayer, but not going to be practical
[20:26:00] <mwalling> and if hte reporter goes AWOL?
[20:26:04] <abayer> #idea If the reporter finds the bug is still there, state->reopen.
[20:26:09] <jieryn-w> we'll end up with boat loads of 'resolved', as we do now
[20:26:21] <wolfs> jieryn-w: +1
[20:26:44] <abayer> So what's your suggestion? I honestly don't know. =)
[20:26:51] <jieryn-w> be optimistic towards the dev that if they think they fixed it, they probably did
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[20:26:55] <larrys> Our problem was we over engineered it way too early, and it became worse than the default
[20:27:05] <redsolo> perhaps someone other than issue resolved can close it if it can be verified to be fixed
[20:27:19] <aheritier> abayer : the original jira wkf is designed like you described open->(developer)->resolve->(reporter)->close
[20:27:20] <tom_huybrechts> we use fixed='fix committed' and resolved='fix released', then user can verify which is the closed state
[20:27:26] * aheritier is eating in //, not easy to discuss
[20:27:32] <abayer> Maybe when code gets checked in, ->resolved, when the code ships, ->closed, if reviewer or others sees bug is still there, ->reopen?
[20:27:35] <abayer> aheritier: =)
[20:27:37] <jieryn-w> so the work flow is the dev assigns problem to themself, commits code to fix it, uses a [CLOSES JIRA-####]
[20:27:40] <mwalling> abayer: +1 on that
[20:27:40] <redsolo> larrys: JIRAs biggest problem, is that its 100% configurable, but that is also the beauty of it
[20:27:50] <jieryn-w> abayer: that would be best
[20:28:03] <jieryn-w> if the problem persists, original reporter re-opens
[20:28:12] <redsolo> abayer: I like it. in between the reporter can close it if they are using a snapshot version
[20:28:16] <abayer> That'd help with plugins that don't have fix versions too - makes it easier to see when a fix has actually gone out the door and is available via the update center.
[20:28:25] <larrys> redsolo: Yup. Don't get me started on unneeded extra custom fields, especially ones that vary from issue type to issue type.
[20:28:43] * redsolo shrugs
[20:28:45] <freddy33> I don't think you can reopen closed issue?
[20:28:54] <redsolo> yes I think you can
[20:28:57] <aheritier> an intersting thing thing we could add in issues is a checkbox that the assigned can set to tell if it added a testcase to validate the fix
[20:29:05] <larrys> freddy33: It depends on security configuration, which can be changed in the workflow.
[20:29:12] <abayer> #idea When developer pushes code to fix the bug, state goes to resolved. When the code gets released, state goes to closed. If the bug persists, the state goes back to reopened.
[20:29:15] <hare_brain> If changelog entries have JIRA #'s associated, can we add automation to the release process to automatically move them from resolved to closed?
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[20:29:29] <abayer> #action abayer to make sure our JIRA setup allows reopening closed bugs.
[20:29:45] <abayer> hare_brain: I should have mentioned that - that's implicit in my proposal. =)
[20:30:15] <redsolo> abayer: it allows reopening issues today
[20:30:40] <abayer> #idea addendum - [FIXED JENKINS-XYZ] in commit message will switch the state on build in ci.jenkins-ci.org to resolved, and will switch the state to closed on plugin release - will require tweaks to hpi plugin, but should be doable.
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[20:31:03] <hare_brain> Why not for the core as well?
[20:31:43] <abayer> hare_brain: Core wouldn't require changes to the hpi plugin - we could just add that to the changelog-related stuff.
[20:32:22] <abayer> When it comes to automation, I'm more worried about making sure the plugin release process doesn't require additional steps than the core release process.
[20:32:23] <mwalling> #idea allow the [FIXED ... regex to also match [FIXES
[20:32:32] <abayer> +1
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[20:33:32] <abayer> #action abayer to modify the ci.jenkins-ci.org JIRA integration to look for [FIXES ?] or [FIXED ?].
[20:33:45] <hare_brain> It sounded like you were proposing automatically moving resolve->closed for plugin releases only. It should be done for core as well. Obviously different tooling involved.
[20:33:54] <hare_brain> [FIX ...] ?
[20:34:11] <abayer> #action addendum - or [FIX ?] But that's it!
[20:34:14] <abayer> =)
[20:34:16] <hare_brain> Localizations? ;)
[20:34:22] <larrys> NIEN
[20:34:26] <hare_brain> jk!
[20:34:42] <abayer> #idea (clarification - auto resolved->closed to happen on core release as well)
[20:34:45] <abayer> Ok!
[20:34:58] <abayer> So - are we all on board with that workflow?
[20:35:25] <redsolo> yes, its a good start
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[20:36:17] <redsolo> There are currently 4345 resolved issues
[20:37:12] <abayer> #agreed The above idea on JIRA workflow going forward.
[20:37:20] <redsolo> 3161 ones were resolved for more than a year ago
[20:37:37] <abayer> #idea Mark all bugs in resolved state that entered resolved state at least 6 months ago as closed?
[20:37:44] <wolfs> +1
[20:38:02] <aheritier> +1
[20:38:07] <jieryn-w> +1
[20:38:10] <mwalling> +1
[20:38:14] <redsolo> or at least hasnt been updated for 6 months... ppl may discuss on the issue even after it has been closed
[20:38:21] <redsolo> resolved that is
[20:38:27] <fabrice31> +1
[20:38:32] <kutzi> +1
[20:38:39] <abayer> redsolo: I don't think closing the issue blocks comments.
[20:38:48] <redsolo> true
[20:39:01] <redsolo> +1
[20:39:03] <aheritier> If someone think an issue isn't resolved he should reopen it
[20:39:06] <fabrice31> closed ticket can be reopened ;)
[20:39:15] <aheritier> no it doesn't block thus no problem
[20:39:21] <abayer> #agreed That thing I just said - closing all >6 months resolved bugs.
[20:39:34] <abayer> #action abayer to close all bugs resolved >6 months ago.
[20:40:12] <abayer> And in a few months we'll revisit the open bugs.
[20:40:46] <abayer> (resolved bugs - i.e., the ones from the last 6 months)
[20:41:53] <redsolo> good thing is that you can resolve 1000 issues in bulk
[20:41:53] <hsoj> fix my bug tia
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[20:42:10] <abayer> Alright, so that's the JIRA stuff. =)
[20:42:28] <abayer> Anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
[20:42:46] <jieryn-w> will we have another one of these in a week?
[20:42:51] <tom_huybrechts> #idea post these meetings on the website calendar
[20:43:12] <abayer> (sorry, work distracting me)
[20:43:23] <redsolo> #idea and a preliminary agenda attached to it
[20:43:47] <fabrice31> will there be a control to avoid duplicate issues ?
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[20:43:49] <abayer> #agreed We just dropped the ball on the agenda again. =)
[20:43:51] <wolfs> What about putting the agenda on confluence to make it editable?
[20:44:00] <abayer> #action rtyler to do better on agenda.
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[20:45:07] <redsolo> fabrice31: there was someone mention a tool that could find duplicates... that sounded interesting
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[20:45:09] <mwalling> yeah, either confluence or something like google moderator... post agenda items to that
[20:45:27] <abayer> Aaaand rtyler's AFK.
[20:45:42] <larrys> since he's afk, assign all items to him them.
[20:45:46] <abayer> hoorah!
[20:45:53] <fabrice31> ok, thanks !
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[20:46:59] <abayer> #idea Next meeting, 11am PST (7pm GMT, 8pm CET) next Wednesday (Feb 16)?
[20:47:08] <abayer> Does this time work for everyone?
[20:47:12] <mwalling> +1
[20:47:18] <hare_brain> One of the things we need to figure out amongst ourselves is what's in the scope of "governance." IMO, the JIRA discussion belongs to the community, and the governance board would only have stepped in if there was no consensus. Part of getting an agenda out is fixing the scope, so that our day jobs don't interfere.
[20:47:25] <abayer> Oh, yeah, that too.
[20:47:46] <abayer> I'm admittedly faking this as I go.
[20:47:54] <hare_brain> So if there's no governance agenda, no meeting.
[20:48:03] <hare_brain> At least, related to that topic.
[20:48:13] <mwalling> hell, agenda items could be JIRA issues
[20:48:24] <hare_brain> It seems like people like having a set time to meet in real time to discuss things like JIRA workflow.
[20:48:31] <larrys> they use jira issues at my job to group together for agenda items
[20:48:42] <abayer> (sorry, AFK a few minutes to deal with a work thing)
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[20:49:28] <abayer> #chair hare_brain
[20:49:28] <robobutler> Current chairs: abayer hare_brain
[20:49:50] <redsolo> fabrice31: its named http://www.suggestimate.com/. dont know if it will give out a list of duplicated issues
[20:51:46] <hare_brain> Are we done?
[20:52:15] <tom_huybrechts> looks that way
[20:52:39] <mwalling> motiuon to adjourn!
[20:52:54] <jieryn-w> +1
[20:52:57] <hare_brain> #endmeeting
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[20:52:58] <robobutler> Meeting ended Wed Feb  9 19:47:51 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://www.jenkins-ci.org/meetings/ . (v 0.1.4)
[20:52:58] <robobutler> Minutes:        http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2011/jenkins.2011-02-09-19.04.html
[20:52:58] <robobutler> Minutes (text): http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2011/jenkins.2011-02-09-19.04.txt
[20:52:58] <robobutler> Log:            http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2011/jenkins.2011-02-09-19.04.log.html
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[20:53:16] <abayer> Sorry - back.
[20:53:19] <hare_brain> LOL
[20:53:21] <abayer> And we're done. Oh, nice. =)
[20:53:27] <hare_brain> You gave me chair so I ended the meeting. :)
[20:53:38] <abayer> Fine by me!
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[20:54:28] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #497: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 32 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/497/
[20:54:28] <jenkinsci_builds> Andrew Bayer: Fixed BUILD_TAG env var to not say hudson and added JENKINS_* versions of more env vars.
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[20:55:18] <hare_brain> Sigh. I'm not sure how I feel about adding JENKINS_* equivalents of environment variables. Seems... frivolous.
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[20:56:42] <abayer> I'd like to eventually deprecate the HUDSON_* ones in favor of JENKINS_*, fwiw.
[20:56:49] <btrim> less confusion for new users is a good thing, isn't it?
[20:57:18] <evilchili> Is there any way to make "[seng] $ "C:\Program Files\Git\cmd\git.cmd" fetch -t git+ssh://... +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/*" display output in the console log?
[20:57:19] <mikko> has there been any talk about possibility of having SSL protected communications between master and slave using jnlp slaves?
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[20:57:57] <wolfs> Who can help me to fix the join-plugin build on http://ci.jenkins-ci.org
[20:58:09] <abayer> wolfs: what's the problem?
[20:58:40] <hare_brain> If you're planning on deprecating eventually, then wouldn't it be better to pick names that are more generic so if there's *another* rename, you (or your successor) won't have to repeat the exercise?
[20:58:40] <wolfs> ERROR: Maven JVM terminated unexpectedly with exit code 137
[20:58:47] <wolfs> http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/view/Plugins/job/plugins_join/24/console
[20:58:48] <hare_brain> BUILD_TAG is nice and generic.
[20:58:51] <hare_brain> HUDSON_HOME...
[20:59:01] <wolfs> Seems like the findbug task got killed
[20:59:12] <abayer> wolfs: Weird. I'll drop findbugs from the job.
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[20:59:27] <abayer> hare_brain: I just pushed rolling back BUILD_TAG without a new JENKINS_BUILD_TAG.
[21:00:11] <hare_brain> abayer: Thanks for putting up with me. :)
[21:00:31] <abayer> hare_brain: no problem. =)
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[21:02:11] <evilchili> also it appears that aborting a build while the git plugin is doing its thing results in multiple orphaned git.exe and ssh.exe processes. at least on an xp build slave
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[21:03:39] <wolfs> bye bye findbugs :(
[21:03:43] <abayer> =)
[21:04:02] <wolfs> Could it be a memory problem?
[21:04:08] <abayer> Dunno, honestly.
[21:04:29] <wolfs> It worked on my local Jenkins install...
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[21:26:03] <peeps[lappy]> does jenkins use a master/slave sort of setup?  can I have a linux server than sends build jobs to a windows machine?
[21:26:14] <abayer> peeps[lappy]: Yes. =)
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[21:31:59] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 498 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #458 18 days ago)
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[21:33:40] <stephenc> flying visit!
[21:33:44] <peeps[lappy]> i need to set up a build server, for MS Visual Studio projects.  I'm already using trac for issue tracking, and considering possibly using bitten for CI.  but Jenkins also looks pretty good.  has anyone here had experience with both of these, could provide any input about the differences?
[21:34:35] <abayer> peeps[lappy]: Never even heard of bitten, sorry.
[21:35:56] <peeps[lappy]> it's more python centered I suppose, whereas hudson is java centered.  though they are both capable of supporting .NET apps
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[21:36:35] <evilchili> fwiw peeps[lappy] I use jenkins to manage my build scripts, all of which are python
[21:36:44] <abayer> peeps[lappy]: Jenkins is "java centered" only in terms of actually being written in Java, really. It's completely agnostic as to what you're building, though admittedly the plugin ecosystem may be a bit more mature for Java code.
[21:36:46] <stephenc> @abayer. did I miss the meeting (my son's bath takes priority)
[21:36:54] <abayer> Yes, you did. =)
[21:37:06] <abayer> http://meetings.jenkins-ci.org/jenkins/2011/jenkins.2011-02-09-19.04.html
[21:37:16] <stephenc> ahh well
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[21:37:21] <btrim> we use Trac and Jenkins
[21:37:22] <stephenc> next time
[21:37:31] <btrim> for both Java and C++ projects
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[21:38:45] <btrim> I've heard of bitten (by means of Trac) but I don't know much more than that.    Trac itself has a fairly slow dev cycle, so if bitten is the same group of people I'd say it's probably behind Jenkins.  But I really don't know anything about it
[21:39:49] <peeps[lappy]> what sort of plugins should i be looking into for building visual studio 2008 projects
[21:40:37] <peeps[lappy]> i found one MSbuild plugin, is there anything else I should be looking at?
[21:40:50] <mwalling> really? none. i was using the msbuild plugin, but ended up just using a windows batch job step
[21:40:51] <redsolo> peeps[lappy]: start with MSBuild, Violations (for stylecop), NUnit (for unit testing)
[21:41:30] <redsolo> peeps[lappy]: violations with simian for code duplication,
[21:41:42] <peeps[lappy]> mwalling, what made you chose batch files over msbuild plugin?
[21:41:59] <mwalling> honestly dont remember
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[21:42:27] <redsolo> and of course Warning plugin for detectin compilation warnings..
[21:42:30] <mwalling> it might have been something with tool locations on slaves... i'd have to try to reproduce it
[21:42:56] <evilchili> we do all our actually building in our python framework, which knows how to build our projects on multiple platforms/arch, and jenkins for CI
[21:43:06] <evilchili> s/actually/actual/
[21:43:08] <redsolo> batch script is the easiest way to start...
[21:44:14] <btrim> I use the Xshell plugin to launch a script / batch file
[21:45:30] <peeps[lappy]> hmm, there is a scons plugin too.  neat
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[21:46:02] <peeps[lappy]> i have some funky batch scripts that I was thinking of trying to move into scons
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[21:49:05] <evilchili> the thing i like most about jenkins is TMTOWTDI. It's very perly in that regard.
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[21:49:45] <peeps[lappy]> thanks for the answers, i guess i'm gonna have to go with jenkins ;-).  seems like there is a much bigger community behind it comared to bitten
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[21:51:30] <redsolo> peeps[lappy]: you wont be disappointed... (otherwise come back here and gripe and we will fix it)
[21:52:29] <peeps[lappy]> i have used hudson at another job, which was an all java shop.  i wasn't the one that had to set it up though.  just used it to look at builds etc as a regular user, so i already know it's pretty nice for that.  i just wasn't sure about non-java support
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[21:52:52] <evilchili> just stop calling it hudson :P
[21:53:25] <ccutrer> peeps[lappy]: I have a jenkins instance with about 20 different projects on it, none of them are java
[21:53:29] <peeps[lappy]> well, that's what we used... jenkins wasn't around at that time.
[21:53:29] <ccutrer> it works great
[21:54:15] <redsolo> im using it at work to build iPhone apps..
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[21:56:33] <abayer> kohsuke: ping?
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[22:10:38] <Stubbs> Has anyone come across the situation where your tests pass, but when Cobertura comes to instrument them, the same tests then fail?
[22:10:48] <Stubbs> Let me get an example
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[22:17:08] <Stubbs> http://pastie.org/private/xykxhrg7nqc3duum8nq
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[22:17:36] <Stubbs> The build gets marked as unstable in Jenkins and ruins the lovely green glow that's usually cast over the office :-)
[22:17:51] <redsolo> Stubbs: ive heard of it, but never seen it myself. do you have any threads involved in the tests?
[22:18:18] <Stubbs> Not that I know of.
[22:18:37] <Stubbs> I'm helping a colleague try and fix this
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[22:23:46] <redsolo> Stubbs: See this mail thread and read Stephen Connollys replies, http://shorl.com/vofrotokenebo - He has some insights on running unit tests under code coverage tools
[22:28:18] <Stubbs> Cheers ... reading now
[22:35:45] <aheritier> Stubbs: I have this issue too with Sonar and I tried to used clover, cobertura and jaccoco
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[22:36:33] <aheritier> In my case I think our tests are badly written and doesn't allow to be run twice without a cleanup between them
[22:36:46] <aheritier> There are more ITs than UTs
[22:36:55] <Stubbs> The error I'm getting is:
[22:36:56] <Stubbs> java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: org.objectweb.asm.ClassVisitor.visit(IILjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;[Ljava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)V
[22:37:23] <aheritier> are you using Maven  ?
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[22:37:44] <Stubbs> yeah
[22:37:57] <aheritier> If yes did you compare the same build as a Maven  Job and as a freestyle job ?
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[22:38:28] <aheritier> A year ago I noticed that the behavior was different between them on how they are managing the classpath
[22:38:41] <aheritier> And I had less errors with a freestyle
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[22:42:01] <mikko> peeps[lappy]: i'm using the msbuild plugin to build with visual studio 2008
[22:42:05] <mikko> peeps[lappy]: fairly pain-free
[22:42:32] <peeps[lappy]> good to know
[22:43:12] <peeps[lappy]> i'm definitely going to try it out. as soon as I have a minute aside from putting out fires :-/
[22:48:06] <mwalling> i'm a firefighter twice over! :)
[22:49:17] <evilchili> I just list flames in all my engineering change requests
[22:51:25] <arnaldo> I'm getting "clock of the subversion server appears to be out of sync" error in all build attempts and I'm 100% sure the clocks are synced through ntp. any clue?
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[22:56:57] <arnaldo> I mean warning, not error
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[23:03:27] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #498: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 31 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/498/
[23:03:28] <jenkinsci_builds> Andrew Bayer: Reverting the BUIlD_TAG change.
[23:05:05] <rpetti> arnaldo: are you using nfs by any chance?
[23:05:53] <arnaldo> rpetti: no
[23:06:32] <arnaldo> this project builds on the master and on one slave, they communicate through ssh
[23:07:35] <_W_> arnaldo, just a guess, but different timezone settings?
[23:07:48] <arnaldo> the same
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[23:07:55] <arnaldo> on both the svn server, master and slave
[23:09:17] <arnaldo> the clocks were out of sync on the past, when ntp wasn't running... I'm not sure if it makes sense to assume I have to restart all the related services from all the boxes
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[23:10:26] <rpetti> when did you set up ntp?
[23:10:35] <Weltraumschaf> hello
[23:10:48] <arnaldo> ~1 hour ago
[23:11:04] <rpetti> it can take a lot longer than an hour to sync up :/
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[23:11:42] <Weltraumschaf> sorry for botherign again. is someone here who could give me some advices on implementing broswer support for my SCM plugin?
[23:11:46] <Weltraumschaf> i got stuck
[23:11:47] <arnaldo> hrm, so jenkins might be detecting a slight slip? because visually they seem to be in sync - I know visually is not much tho
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[23:14:09] <rpetti> not sure, though it sounds like the error is coming from SVN, not jenkins
[23:14:21] <arnaldo> got it, thanks
[23:14:24] <rtyler> abayer: how the hell is it on me to do a better agenda next week?
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[23:14:42] <abayer> 'cos you'd volunteered last week to gather it. =)
[23:14:48] <larrys> and were afk
[23:15:00] <larrys> s/were/was/
[23:15:01] <rpetti> rtyler: easy target? :P
[23:15:05] <rtyler> I tried to gether it, I got a couple things from you, nothing from kohsuke :/
[23:15:09] <rtyler> nothing from anybody else
[23:15:21] <rtyler> i'll just make up next week's agenda
[23:15:28] <rtyler> hint: it'll involve kitties wearing capes
[23:15:34] <larrys> puppies and unicorns?
[23:15:59] <larrys> rtyler: or "is pie > cake or is cake > pie?" debate.
[23:16:22] <rtyler> cake or death
[23:16:54] <afex> anybody else seeing long install times for the debian package on EC2 micro instances? i'm seeing it take 6 minutes
[23:17:02] <abayer> Fresh install?
[23:17:12] <afex> yeah
[23:17:42] <abayer> I don't know a reason why that should be the case...
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[23:20:34] <kenneth_reitz> larrys: the cake is a lie.
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[23:29:48] <mwalling> portal 2! released before DNF!
[23:30:18] <rpetti> woah what
[23:30:22] <rpetti> that's out?!
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[23:33:56] <abayer> So I'm trying to come up with a talk proposal for Jazoon. What would be an interesting Java/Jenkins/build subject?
[23:34:09] <kenneth_reitz> comes out in april
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[23:35:53] <g5k> is there a way to retrieve all of the latest junit test results?
[23:36:06] <g5k> i know they're available in builds/###/junitResult.xml
[23:36:11] <g5k> but can i access them through the http server?
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[23:40:41] <Steve^> Is there a way to separate config from the jobs? Would make our backups easier
[23:41:52] <Weltraumschaf> does someone have a good link about scm plugin development. i'm through allt wiki.jenkins-ci.org sites about scm plugins.
[23:42:57] <Weltraumschaf> google is not very generous on my queries :/
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[23:45:30] <rpetti> Weltraumschaf: your best bet is to probably look at some of the already established plugins, such as subversion
[23:48:09] <Weltraumschaf> i read gitscm and the tfs plug. svn i didn't. the scm as is wasn't the broble. i've problems with implementing hudson.scm.RepositoryBrowser
[23:48:34] <Weltraumschaf> i'll search the svn plugin, that i didn't read yet
[23:49:17] <rpetti> the perforce plugin has browsers, but they are only links to other web interfaces.
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[23:51:18] <Weltraumschaf> yes, that's what i nedd. the most implementations  i saw assembles urls to the browser. my problem is to get the browser visible in the jobs dropdown. i think i have a problem with the Descriptor implementation. i quiet new in java. i'm stuck in trial and error.
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[23:52:14] <rpetti> yeah, take a look at the perforce plugin then. There's a dropdown for selecting the type of browser you want to use
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[23:53:54] <Weltraumschaf> in the git plugin also. i did it in the that way. but doesn't work. do you have a link to more detailed docu about RepositoryBrowser. I do not undertsand, how jenkins get knwoed about the browser obejcts b this descriptor 'magic'
[23:54:29] <Weltraumschaf> where can i read about Descriptor and Descriptable?
[23:55:39] <Weltraumschaf> when i open the code in netbeans i only saw //compiled code and no javadoc, when i generate it by rightclick in netbeans i dont know wehre it is put. sorry for my n00b problems.





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