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[00:24:35] <ahhughes> doh kohsuke - it does a re-clone :'(
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[00:56:58] <ahhughes> rtyler, did you setup the ldap accounts... I can't login to Jira.. have reset my password e.t.c. no joy
[00:58:34] <kohsuke> Do you still need help in getting access?
[00:59:34] <ahhughes> yes please. But I'll PM with you so its not so noisey in here :)
[01:05:45] <rtyler> kohsuke: did you get those certs in place btw?
[01:05:57] <kohsuke> Yes I did
[01:05:59] <rtyler> YAY
[01:06:15] <kohsuke> Still need to make sure that commits require https, and account app goes to https.
[01:06:22] <kohsuke> Man I feel like I'm a sysadmin
[01:06:30] <rtyler> you are :)
[01:06:31] <kohsuke> I'm starting to wonder if I could get by as one
[01:07:00] <rtyler> it's easy to be a sunny day sysadmin
[01:07:07] <rtyler> when shit gets bad, that's when good sysadmins shine
[01:07:15] <kohsuke> true
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[01:17:36] <olamy> kohsuke pushed test with mvn test -Dtest=RedeployPublisherTe#testTarGzUniqueVersionTrue -Dmaven.junit.quiet=false
[01:17:42] <olamy> so have a look
[01:18:09] <olamy> I wonder If we have to support something like -Dtest=myClass#foo*bar
[01:20:58] <olamy> mail me if any issues with the commit (time to sleep here)
[01:20:59] <olamy> nn
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[01:54:16] <ahhughes> kohsuke, thanks for helping... jira issue submitted :)
[01:54:31] <ahhughes> no doubt oracle will jump in and fix this one.
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[02:58:56] <autojack> ugggggggggggg
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[02:59:10] <autojack> I just realized that my beautiful build/package/deploy job chains have a fatal flaw.
[02:59:54] <autojack> have a job that does a build and then archives the workspace, and then the next job packages using the previous workspace.
[03:00:19] <autojack> but I call the package job via curl'ing its HTTP job build URL
[03:00:37] <autojack> and I just realized, that happens BEFORE the workspace gets archived.
[03:00:50] <autojack> so then the package job is running on the previous copy of the workspace.
[03:02:46] <btrim> isn't the workspace always available via url?
[03:03:14] <autojack> no, what I mean is, the contents of job A's workspace need to be given to job B.
[03:03:22] <jieryn-w> other than not ever having a successful build (or all builds deleted) i can't imagine why not
[03:03:40] <jieryn-w> i think we should add a system property jenkins.Workspace.disable
[03:03:48] <jieryn-w> to disable access to it
[03:03:52] <autojack> so what's happening is, job A is calling job B before A's workspace is archived/available.
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[03:04:37] <autojack> yeah that's basically what I need.
[03:04:55] <autojack> previously, I was having job B literally cd into the workspace of job A.
[03:05:10] <autojack> but then I realized, without a concept of locking in that case, someone could run a build of job A while job B was in the dir.
[03:05:19] <autojack> and screw things up.
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[03:06:51] <btrim> I recently set up a somewhat intricate matrix-build + package build using the copy artifacts plugin.  Different from your use-case since I really have two levels of artifacts to build
[03:07:10] <btrim> the matrix build creates a bunch of artifacts which are packaged together by a triggered build
[03:07:11] <autojack> hmmm
[03:08:10] <autojack> what do you mean by "matrix?
[03:08:17] <btrim> multi-configuration build
[03:08:26] <btrim> I build on a label axis
[03:09:16] <autojack> hmm
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[03:09:43] <autojack> even then, the problem for me is the WAY I'm calling job B
[03:10:07] <btrim> I have a multi-platform C++ program that gets compiled on Windows, Mac, and Linux at the same time, then I essentially jar up the items and metadata
[03:10:15] <autojack> it gets called as part of job A's shell script.
[03:10:25] <autojack> so any "post build action" technically will happen after that.
[03:10:47] <btrim> why not have it trigger job B?
[03:10:52] <autojack> the reason I do it that way is, I want to only run job B if job A is from a certain branch.
[03:11:05] <autojack> so I just use an if statement in my job A shell script.
[03:11:29] <autojack> the alternative is to pass the branch to job B, and have B just bail if it's the wrong branch.
[03:11:40] <autojack> but then I'll have excessive pointless runs of job B.
[03:12:19] <btrim> maybe the promotion plugin could come into play
[03:13:16] <btrim> Job A triggers job A-prime to determine whether or not to promote the build to run job B.   That might be complicating it more than it needs to though
[03:14:28] <autojack> yeah that's messy.
[03:14:49] <autojack> I can go back to the "job B cd's into job A's workspace" if the locking and latching plugin will work for me.
[03:14:58] <autojack> but when I looked at it I was not confident
[03:15:28] <btrim> I seem to remember there being a "use workspace from project X" option
[03:16:39] <autojack> are you thinking of the clone workspace plugin? that's what I'm using now.
[03:17:10] <autojack> oh and also I can't use the "block build when downstream project is building" option because since I am calling job B with curl via its URL, job A doesn't KNOW that B is downstream of it.
[03:17:16] <autojack> isn't this fun! ;)
[03:17:37] <autojack> if I could manually define that relationship my life would be a hell of a lot easier.
[03:22:43] <btrim> post build task plugin?
[03:22:58] <btrim> that wouldn't give you that relation though
[03:23:43] <autojack> I don't see a plugin by that name.
[03:24:14] <autojack> but I have to go catch a bus home.
[03:24:21] <btrim> good luck
[03:24:25] <autojack> I'll look at other possibilities tomorrow.
[03:24:27] <autojack> thanks!
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[03:39:57] <btrim> wiki is down
[03:40:04] <kohsuke> Yes
[03:40:07] <kohsuke> I'm working on it
[03:40:08] <btrim> ok
[03:42:25] <kohsuke> Back now
[03:42:30] <kohsuke> I'm sorry for the troble
[03:42:42] <btrim> no problem
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[03:46:45] <btrim> I play at being a sysadmin as well.  Always paranoid of getting an angry email after restarting tomcat / httpd
[03:52:48] <hachi> kohsuke: can I get your openid plugin sources from a version control somewhere?
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[05:23:29] <jieryn-w> seesmic has been worthless all day
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[06:33:57] <jieryn-w> how do i place something onto a specific job instance page?
[06:34:17] <jieryn-w> i have a plugin which creates a table, i've got it linkable from the left nav area
[06:34:28] <jieryn-w> but i also want to place it onto the main job page, a la static analysis plugins
[06:34:42] <jieryn-w> ..i'm trying to grok the existing plugins, but they are pretty involved
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[06:59:37] <e1ven> I'm having a problem with my Hudson (v 1.372, pre-rename); After restarting it this afternoon, 2/3rds of my jobs are gone, and the log is showing a java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: hudson/model/queue/SubTask error for them.
[07:05:39] <jieryn-w> what was the purpose of the restart?
[07:05:42] <jieryn-w> plugin updates? etc?
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[07:08:13] <jieryn-w> consider downgrading the plugin updates
[07:08:15] <josh_> hello, may i ask a question relating to a problem im having?
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[07:08:50] <jieryn-w> don't ask to ask, just ask
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[07:09:47] <josh_> just installed grail plugin, trying to do a build, getting this error: "java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "grails" (in directory..."
[07:10:02] <josh_> ): java.io.IOException: error=2, No such file or directory
[07:10:44] <josh_> i can go to that dir (workspace) manually and run grails, but not as jenkins
[07:10:58] <josh_> or rather jenkins under tomcat
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[07:12:15] <e1ven> jieryn-w- Yes, plugin updates. Do you think the new plugin could be breaking the jobs? Is there any way yo revert?
[07:12:32] <jieryn-w> josh_: ok, i don't know grails at all :) sorry .. maybe someone else will pipe in
[07:12:46] <josh_> thanks
[07:12:58] <jieryn-w> e1ven: i don't recall when it was introduced, but hudson does have a way via the updateManager to revert to previous plugin version
[07:13:30] <e1ven> Thanks. The alternative that I thought of was to update to the newest, post-rename version, but I wasn't sure if that's safe yet.
[07:15:12] <jieryn-w> josh_: on second thought, you may want to code the full path to grails in the system and/or job config .. and build now
[07:15:23] <jieryn-w> josh_: if that still fails, you're really on your own w/r/t #Jenkins at this moment
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[07:16:00] <jieryn-w> e1ven: i'm on jenkins 1.396 right now, 99% maven shop, i have 1 master node and a half dozen slaves (win/mac) and about 300 jobs
[07:16:20] <jieryn-w> i find it to be stable enough
[07:16:27] <jieryn-w> i run full static analysis plugins, and a few other helpers
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[09:58:50] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #493: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 22 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/493/
[09:58:51] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: ignore *.deb
[09:58:51] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: creating an RC branch
[09:58:52] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: the trunk is toward 1.398-SNAPSHOT
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[10:00:07] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 494 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #458 17 days ago)
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[10:07:00] <vineethmohan> from a plugin , i need to access the xml given by /api/xml of a build. how can i do it ?
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[10:11:48] <vineethmohan> from a plugin , i need to access the xml given by /api/xml of a project. how can i do it ?
[10:12:33] <drulli> vineethmohan: Isn't it easier to directly work with the Job object?
[10:13:00] <vineethmohan> thing is there is another plugin which makes that api xml avaialable.
[10:13:28] <vineethmohan> i want to acces api of that one. and am not able to get data through any of the base classes that plugin have been extended
[10:14:06] <drulli> Ok, and then you want to parse the XML?
[10:14:19] <vineethmohan> yes. thatz what i have in mind.
[10:15:58] <drulli> I never used that before. It sounds somewhat complicated. Wouldn't it be easier to change the other plug-in?
[10:16:50] <vineethmohan> the "other" plugin is not mu plugin :)
[10:16:55] <vineethmohan> s/mu/my/
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[10:30:16] <Weltraumschaf> do I understand right: Oracle will continue with hudson and we continue with jenkins -> two seperate forks?
[10:30:32] <selckin> only one is a fork :)
[10:30:58] <Weltraumschaf> hehe, yes, of course
[10:32:14] <JHogarth> and despite Oracle's protests I'd call hudson a fork of jenkins....
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[10:32:57] <Weltraumschaf> hrhrhr
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[10:41:07] <Weltraumschaf> is topday someone here, who would be so kind as to help me with my SCM plugin and repo browser integration?
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[10:41:45] <Weltraumschaf> sry, topday = today
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[10:46:35] <banoss> g'morning jenkins'os
[10:47:13] <banoss> freenode URL still says channels=hudson
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[10:55:38] <Weltraumschaf> nobody here who could help me?
[10:56:00] <Weltraumschaf> the documentation and reading of gitscm and tfsscm plugin did not helped
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[11:22:00] <jenkinsci_builds> Kohsuke Kawaguchi: the trunk is toward 1.398-SNAPSHOT
[11:27:48] <Ourson> I am using a label defined in my matrix setup as ${myLabel} in the copy artifact field. Is it normal it's not replaced ?
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[12:22:22] <recluze> .nickserv identify portablepass
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[13:31:13] <_W_> someone mentioned no more than a few weeks ago something about combining jobs into tasks or something similar? Anyone know what I'm referring to and got a link to remind me what it was?
[13:31:46] <_W_> e.g. having 5 jobs, and having a button to run 1-2&5, and another for 2-4, etc
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[13:59:06] <selckin> _W_: batch task plugin?
[14:01:52] <_W_> selckin, the name sounds promising, but then it does something entirely else
[14:02:40] <selckin> it's only thing mentioned in my logs that has the words task & job in them
[14:06:26] <_W_> might not have been here then :/ perhaps on twitter
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[14:37:49] <aheritier> FYI I did an itw for the french podcast LesCastCodeurs. I hope it will help to have more and more migrations to Jenkins (at least for french speakers).
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[14:52:11] <slaboure> aheritier: cool Arnaud, when is it going live?
[14:52:21] <slaboure> I'll listen to it while jogging
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[14:52:44] <aheritier> in ~1week I think
[14:52:55] <aheritier> the time to emmanuel to prepare it
[14:53:05] <slaboure> ok, cool
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[15:20:20] <myusuf3> dudes
[15:20:40] <myusuf3> why does it kick me off when i am checking out the same src
[15:20:43] <myusuf3> everytime
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[17:06:12] <Tartarus> matrix job question
[17:07:10] <Tartarus> Lets say I have a matrix with an axis for slaves, and 3 user defined axis
[17:07:40] <Tartarus> Any way to have it do all of the 3 user defined axis for one slave, then all of the 3 user defined axis for the next slave and so on?
[17:08:48] <Tartarus> (In sum, I want to run my 100-odd user defined combinations on one set of slave labels and then the next and so on because I have a resource limit on the # of slave that really can be alive at once)
[17:09:05] <Tartarus> Or do I need to split it into N jobs, one for each slave axis for now?
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[17:09:31] <Tartarus> (Until the veto mechanism is implemented and I can extend the Cloud slaves to use it)
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[17:11:11] <Weltraumschaf> someone here with experiences implementing SCM plugins code browser? all my eforts failed
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[17:23:20] <Packadal> Hi there
[17:23:32] <Packadal> I found a fix for bug #6623
[17:23:38] <Packadal> not sure it's clean though
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[17:24:21] <Packadal> the problem is the VirtualBox plugin relies on the fact that the SSHLauncher will throw an exception if it fails to connect, however it's not the case
[17:24:43] <Packadal> when there is no route to host, an IOException is thrown
[17:24:53] <Packadal> and the SSHLauncher just returns
[17:25:07] <Packadal> adding a throw of some exception would fix this bug
[17:25:13] <lacostej> Packadal: yes that's what the comment say. How do you detect it then ?
[17:25:51] <Packadal> lacostej: in SSHLauncher.java, l200 adding a throw would make it work
[17:26:17] <lacostej> have you tried it ?
[17:26:31] <lacostej> if not, do you want to try it ?
[17:26:31] <Packadal> not yet, I am looking into how to build the plugin :)
[17:26:57] <Packadal> lacostej: yes, on my way to trying it
[17:26:58] <lacostej> ok
[17:27:09] <lacostej> good :)
[17:27:16] <lacostej> just ask if you have some issues
[17:28:45] <Packadal> lacostej: will do, thanks. I'm setting up a Java environment right now, so it may take some time :)
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[17:45:29] <Packadal> lacostej: OK, I have built the plugin
[17:45:45] <Packadal> lacostej: now, should I just copy-paste it over the old one, then restart Jenkins and try ?
[17:45:59] <Packadal> lacostej: or are there some other steps I should take ?
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[17:53:53] <Packadal> lacostej: OK, I found on the Plugins-Tutorial how to manage that
[17:54:03] <Packadal> lacostej: Tested, and the patch works (kinda ugly, but works)
[17:56:22] <mwalling> Packadal: damn, if i had switched over earlier i would ahve mentioned 'mvn hpi:run'
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[17:57:27] <Packadal> mwalling: oh, missed this in the plugins tutorial
[17:57:48] <Packadal> mwalling: thanks anyways, I'll use it if I find another bug to fix ;)
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[17:58:50] <Packadal> So how should I send this bugfix ?
[18:00:46] <mwalling> you said there was already a JIRA issue for it?
[18:00:51] <Packadal> yup
[18:01:07] <Packadal> but I do not have an account
[18:01:08] <mwalling> i'd either attach the diff there, or fork on github, patch, and send a pull request (if the plugin is in github)
[18:01:21] <mwalling> oh, thats easy: http://jenkins-ci.org/account/
[18:01:26] <mwalling> (or maybe its accounts
[18:02:26] <Packadal> mwalling: OK, I'm a bit new to github, how do Isend a pull request ?
[18:02:35] <Packadal> I mean I git cloned the project and patched it
[18:02:53] <lacostej> Packadal: fork the plugin repo, then click on the send pull request button once you have pushed your change to your private repo
[18:03:04] <mwalling> you need to fork it, push your commit to your fork, then there should be a bu... what he said
[18:03:22] <lacostej> if you just want to do that one change, send us the diff, we'll push it
[18:03:34] <lacostej> otherwise do as mwalling said
[18:03:57] * mwalling says a lot
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[18:04:50] <Packadal> thanks a lot
[18:04:54] <Packadal> forking and pushing
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[18:10:34] <Packadal> OK, I just sent my pull request
[18:10:49] <Packadal> mwalling, lacostej: thanks for the help
[18:12:42] <Packadal> bye :)
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[18:48:06] <jieryn-w> is there any way i can easily reuse the same recorder data for Action and RootAction?
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[18:55:10] <RSchulzB> Is there a duplicate / clone job command in the Jenkins UI that I'm overlooking?
[18:55:23] <RSchulzB> I'd like to create a new job that is a lot like an existing one.
[18:56:29] <stisti> When you click on the New Job link in the left sidebar, you can then choose to make a copy of another job
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[18:57:40] <rtyler> lulz https://twitter.com/#!/oracletechnet/status/35016373574828033
[18:58:01] <RSchulzB> stisti: Thank you!
[18:59:52] <kisielk> rtyler: LOL, some of these questions are hillarious
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[19:00:06] <kisielk> "Have you contributed any Hudson core features/bug fixes back to the community?" - "Yes, but I wish I didn't have to"
[19:00:34] <kisielk> damn community contributions, such a pain in the ass!
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[19:01:19] <rtyler> they've done a great job marketing that Hudson is an Oracle/Sonatype production
[19:01:28] <rtyler> I guess that's what the silent community wants?
[19:01:33] <rpetti> free ipad, eh? >_>
[19:01:37] * rtyler insults mindless' team some more
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[19:02:05] <rtyler> I've learned from Oracle OpenWorld that you should never accept anything for free from Oracle
[19:02:10] <rtyler> those assholes call me once a week now
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[19:02:43] <kisielk> just tell them you work on Jenkins now, they'll probably leave you alone ;)
[19:02:59] <rtyler> kisielk: it's part of Oracle's giant marketing/bizdev arm
[19:03:15] <rtyler> I got an OOW pass because I'm some crap blogger
[19:03:15] <stisti> moving on to another subject, does anyone here develop Hudson or plugins on Mac OS X?
[19:03:31] <rtyler> stisti: I think abayer does, but he's not around right now
[19:04:08] <kisielk> who maintains the Hg plugin?
[19:04:12] <alecx> I put this question also yesterday - maybe today I have luck: I want to use the send e-mail option in hudson. I use Hudson version 1.368 on one PC to do that and it works ok without authentication. In the version 1.383 on another PC this doesn't work - I get the error: Failed to send out e-mail javax.mail.AuthenticationFailedException  at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:306) I tested sending e-mails without authentication with
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[19:08:54] <stisti> rtyler: thanks, I'll ask him for some advice when he's around
[19:09:25] <rtyler> IIRC kohsuke does his development on Linux, not sure about mindless :)
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[19:12:58] <jieryn-w> jenkins is not in the list
[19:13:05] <rtyler> jieryn-w: huh?
[19:13:25] <jieryn-w> i'm taking the survey
[19:13:29] <jieryn-w> i want a chance at an ipad, sue me :)
[19:13:32] <rtyler> hah
[19:13:38] <rpetti> alecx: your question got truncated, maybe you should post it on the mailing list instead?
[19:14:23] * rtyler agress with rpetti
[19:14:26] <rpetti> I was about to answer the survey, but they probably wouldn't ship the ipad to Canada anyways. :P
[19:14:28] <rtyler> kohsuke: ping
[19:14:34] <kohsuke> hi
[19:14:36] <rtyler> rpetti: Canawhat?
[19:14:48] <rtyler> kohsuke: have you guys scraped together any kind of agenda for tomorrow's meeting?
[19:14:52] <rtyler> I'd like to post something today
[19:15:06] <kohsuke> That's right
[19:15:29] <rpetti> brb, computer is melting igloo again
[19:15:37] <rtyler> oh noes
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[19:16:37] <kohsuke> Let me put together the list that I can think of
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[19:22:10] <mindless> rtyler: :-/ what did i miss
[19:22:48] <rtyler> mindless: stisti was asking about folks who do development on Mac OS X
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[19:25:17] <mindless> stisti: yes, i use a mac
[19:26:23] <stisti> mindless: cool! I have this problem that when I compile Jenkins or plugins, I get some java-like apps running in my dock
[19:26:26] <Haloperidol> Why are there [Hudson-*] mails on jenkins nabble and why are there no jenkins JIRA mails? http://jenkins.361315.n4.nabble.com/
[19:27:01] <stisti> mindless: and if I run Jenkins in a launch daemon, those jobs fail and complain they cannot connect to the Windowserver
[19:27:39] <mindless> not sure what those are.. i use "mvn hudson-dev:run" ..
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[19:29:29] <stisti> they seem to be somehow related to tests, if I add -Dmaven.test.skip=true to mvn command line, I don't get them
[19:30:20] <stisti> and having or not having -Djava.awt.headless=true in MAVEN_OPTS makes no difference
[19:30:56] <stisti> I'm a bit new to Java and maven and I guess it shows :)
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[19:36:16] <mindless> stisti: I admit I rarely run tests for core
[19:36:36] <mindless> there've always been a couple that hang on mac
[19:43:05] <jieryn-w> anyone else having problems with seesmic/web ?
[19:46:05] <mindless> rtyler: task for you just reported on dev list
[19:46:43] <rtyler> aw damnit
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[19:49:09] <hsoj> btw, nice job on the deb package who ever diserves credit to that
[19:50:23] <rtyler> I'm willing to claim credit for it
[19:50:28] <rtyler> even though I'm an openSUSE user
[19:50:29] * rtyler ducks
[19:50:34] <rpetti> wat
[19:51:25] <rpetti> rtyler: could be worse I suppose, you could be using redhat
[19:51:39] <rtyler> we are using redhat in production
[19:51:45] <rtyler> it's just as bad as it sounds
[19:53:42] <rtyler> hahahaha, @java just retweeted that hudson survey link
[19:54:15] <rpetti> not by choice, I'd bet
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[19:55:11] <rtyler> I have to laugh, because otherwise I might get too angry
[19:55:34] <rtyler> neither Sonatype *nor* Oracle devoted any resources (it seems) to the Hudson community until this past week or two
[19:55:53] <rtyler> we could have been great together
[19:56:57] <autojack> has anyone used the Locks and Latches plugin? I can't make heads or tails of it. as in... how do I use it?
[19:57:01] <rpetti> So are we going to be pulling changes from them?
[19:57:17] <rtyler> rpetti: want some of my rampant speculation?
[19:57:31] <rtyler> autojack: IIRC "Locks" works, Latches doesn't :P
[19:57:33] <Espen-_-> Any articles on how Hudson users can catch up to Jenkins?
[19:57:37] <autojack> yeah I figured that much out.
[19:57:40] <autojack> but how do I use it?
[19:57:42] <rtyler> heh
[19:57:43] <autojack> I can create Locks.
[19:57:43] <rpetti> rtyler: of course :)
[19:57:47] <rtyler> Espen-_-: http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Upgrading+from+Hudson+to+Jenkins
[19:57:48] <evilpupu> I've been using hudson / jenkins for many years and just the recent happenings gave the kick to poke my nose out. Thank you, Jenkins people.
[19:57:50] <autojack> and I can tell a job to use a certain Lock.
[19:57:55] <autojack> but... what does that mean??
[19:58:00] <Espen-_-> rtyler: thanks
[19:58:04] <autojack> I want job A to be locked while job B runs.
[19:58:05] <mindless> autojack: visit global config first
[19:58:10] <rpetti> autojack: only one job can run at a time with a particular lock
[19:58:14] <rtyler> rpetti: Oracle/Sonatype are polling for suggestions for Hudson 2.0
[19:58:22] <rtyler> rpetti: in a few months we'll see something called "Hudson 2.0"
[19:58:36] <rtyler> rpetti: what will be entirely incompatible with Jenkins and diverge sharply from the code base
[19:58:39] <rpetti> autojack: so if job A and job B have the same lock assigned, only one of the two can run at once
[19:58:42] <autojack> mindless: yeah I did, I see that I can create locks there but it's not very enlightening beyond that :)
[19:58:46] <autojack> ahhhhh OK.
[19:58:47] <mindless> evilpupu: :-)
[19:58:49] <rtyler> rpetti: perhaps even with a different, less liberal license
[19:58:51] <autojack> got it.
[19:58:55] <autojack> that works then.
[19:58:55] <mindless> autojack: once you have some locks, you can use them in job configs
[19:59:12] <rpetti> rtyler: that sounds about right, actually
[19:59:31] <rtyler> rpetti: I am a prophet
[19:59:42] <rpetti> rtyler: though they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by breaking compatibility, because it seems like the majority of the plugin developers on are jenkins now
[19:59:50] <autojack> rtyler: are you 33 yet?
[19:59:52] <rtyler> rpetti: in April of 2010 I talked with kohsuke and abayer about dumping Oracle because they would eventually fuck us
[20:00:06] <rtyler> autojack: no, and I don't yet have a beard
[20:00:09] <rtyler> autojack: working on it
[20:00:22] <autojack> hehe
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[20:00:59] <rtyler> rpetti: IMO they had nothing to gain by not joining Jenkins
[20:01:01] <autojack> I saw this comedian who had shaggy hair, and he said, "Around Christmas I grow out a beard and walk around malls in my bathrobe going, THIS WASN'T WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE _ABOUT,_ PEOPLE!"
[20:01:14] <rtyler> heh
[20:01:21] <rtyler> rpetti: here's what's going to happen
[20:01:36] <rtyler> rpetti: they're going to maintain or "assimilate" all the Enterprise/Java related plugins
[20:02:04] <rtyler> rpetti: Hudson 2.0 will target big maven/jdevelop users, everybody else is unimportant
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[20:04:29] <rpetti> rtyler: yeah, there's no way they could support everyone with the tiny community they have remaining
[20:05:49] <rtyler> RTYLERDAMUS HAS SPOKEN
[20:05:54] * rtyler withdraws to his cave
[20:06:58] <rpetti> looks like wjprakash is the default assignee for the entire hudson jira XD
[20:07:17] <autojack> I just filed a feature request asking for the ability to manually define jobs as being upstream or downstream of each other. does anyone have any thoughts on that idea?
[20:07:32] <Tartarus> Hmm
[20:07:42] <Tartarus> Is there anything like Aggregate downstream test results, but for build?
[20:07:43] <rtyler> autojack: that kind of already exists
[20:08:00] <autojack> oh?
[20:08:34] <rpetti> wait, you can have upstream/downstream jobs _without_ manually defining them?
[20:08:34] <rtyler> autojack: you can specify in the "Build Triggers" section "Build after Job" and then you can chain downstream jobs in the "Post-build" section
[20:08:38] <rtyler> heh
[20:08:41] <evilchili> who wrote the editable email notification bits? this is awesome
[20:09:11] <autojack> rtyler: ah yeah, that doesn't help me.
[20:09:20] <autojack> I, of course, have a weird use case :)
[20:10:29] <autojack> to try and explain it succinctly: job A builds and, if it is NOT 'master' branch, calls job B which packages. I handle this with an if() statement in the build shell script, and call job B via its build URL when appropriate.
[20:11:01] <rpetti> ahhh
[20:11:03] <autojack> job B needs job A's workspace. originally I had it just 'cd' into it, but I realized that another run of job A could happen while job B was in that workspace.
[20:11:07] <autojack> and thus trash it.
[20:11:12] * rtyler is scared
[20:11:18] <autojack> so then I switched to "clone workspace for SCM."
[20:11:52] <autojack> but I realized that the clone action in job A is post-build, and job B was getting called before the clone happened.
[20:11:52] <rpetti> locks would be useful :P
[20:11:57] <autojack> yeah :)
[20:12:01] <autojack> so that's where I am now.
[20:12:31] <autojack> but it would be so much simpler if I could use the "Block build when downstream project is building" feature ;)
[20:12:47] <autojack> but due to my setup Jenkins doesn't know that job B is downstream of job A.
[20:13:08] <kisielk> why don't you make job B depend on job A ?
[20:13:21] <autojack> I'd love to. how do you propose I do that :)
[20:13:27] <autojack> that's basically what I'm trying to do .
[20:13:38] <kisielk> there's an option to start another job if one completes successfully
[20:13:52] <rpetti> he doesn't want it to run all the time though
[20:13:58] <rpetti> only in certain situations
[20:13:59] <autojack> read back. I need to trigger the job based on certain cases.
[20:14:02] <autojack> not just success/failure.
[20:14:09] <autojack> otherwise yeah that would be perfect.
[20:14:23] <autojack> the other option was to always trigger job B, but have it bail early if it was the wrong branch.
[20:14:34] <autojack> but then you get all these sort of "fake" job runs in the history.
[20:14:38] <autojack> not ideal.
[20:14:46] <autojack> locks appears to be the best option.
[20:14:52] <autojack> it's just rather fiddly.
[20:15:06] <kisielk> why not have a separate build job for different branches?
[20:15:25] <autojack> then I would have to create a new build job for each branch we create.
[20:15:28] <autojack> also not optimal.
[20:15:43] <rpetti> I've set one up so that it only runs downstream when it's stable. So when I want to skip the downstream build I just mark the upstream one as unstable.
[20:15:47] <autojack> and the jobs would have identical steps.
[20:16:03] <autojack> oh that's interesting.
[20:16:04] <kisielk> how often do you create branches?
[20:16:36] <autojack> kisielk: any developer might create a special branch at any time.
[20:16:42] <kisielk> and you build all of them ?
[20:16:53] <autojack> we might want to build any of them at any time.
[20:17:07] <autojack> so one job that can build any branch is desirable.
[20:17:15] <kisielk> how do you decide which branch to build? is it a parameterized build?
[20:17:19] <autojack> yes.
[20:17:33] <kisielk> you should probably use promoted builds then
[20:17:40] <autojack> rpetti: how would I mark it unstable?
[20:17:50] <kisielk> get the build promotion plugin
[20:18:03] <rpetti> autojack: I use the groovy postbuild plugin
[20:18:36] <autojack> kisielk: can you elaborate on how I would use that in this case?
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[20:20:18] <kisielk> you set up "Promote builds when... manually approved ..." and set the post-promotion action to set up the next build
[20:20:35] <rpetti> autojack: here's the groovy code I'm using if you need it: http://jenkins.pastebin.com/VbSFB7kb
[20:21:12] <autojack> the whole point is I'm trying to avoid the need for any manual steps.
[20:21:31] <kisielk> well, the other option is to have a downstream job to decide if the build should be promoted
[20:21:35] <kisielk> then it's an automated process
[20:21:41] <autojack> aha, that's interesting.
[20:21:48] <autojack> that job could look at the branch name.
[20:21:54] <kisielk> yeah, you can do that
[20:22:01] <kisielk> so my question is, why not just package all builds?
[20:22:05] <kisielk> instead of going through this trouble?
[20:22:06] * rpetti may have to look into that himself
[20:22:22] <evilchili> ooh that's a clever idea
[20:23:04] <kisielk> if someone added a third way to check for promotion, say by running an action instead, it wouldn't need a downstream build
[20:23:28] <kisielk> but the plugin doesn't support that at this point
[20:23:56] <autojack> kisielk: because for our purposes, packaging implies uploading the package to our package repo.
[20:24:10] <autojack> which will quickly bloat up with packages of builds that we are never going to deploy.
[20:25:26] <kisielk> ah ok
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[20:26:44] <autojack> but yeah I realize that what I'm doing is fairly weird :)
[20:26:53] <autojack> so I'm just hoping to find a reasonably elegant solution.
[20:27:06] <autojack> it's the classic problem of writing software to accommodate an infinite number of possible workflows.
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[20:27:40] <autojack> hm.
[20:27:46] <autojack> I suppose the other option is to NEVER auto-package.
[20:28:08] <autojack> for us, packaging implies wanting to deploy.
[20:28:15] <autojack> (to a testing env I run)
[20:28:38] <autojack> so the idea was, if you check in to your special branch, it will always build, package, and deploy to test.
[20:29:10] <autojack> automatically. but I could just say, if you want to deploy your special branch for testing you have to manually kick it off.
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[20:32:13] <kisielk> yeah, that's where the concept of manual promotion comes in
[20:32:27] <autojack> right
[20:32:29] <kisielk> you check in your fancy branch, and if it builds, you can decide to deploy it by clicking a button
[20:32:40] <kisielk> tell your developers to quit being so lazy :p
[20:33:00] <rtyler> hah
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[20:34:45] <autojack> hehehe
[20:34:53] <autojack> I will send a memo to that effect
[20:35:09] <autojack> THE #JENKINS HIGH COUNCIL SEZ: STOP BEING SO LAZY
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[20:35:54] <rtyler> autojack: also add "and take a shower"
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[20:38:57] <btrim> hm.  can the CVS (ugh, I know) branch be defined by a parameter?
[20:40:29] <kisielk> autojack: I tell the other devs here to do that all the time :p
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[20:55:32] <autojack> I'm going to try the promoted jobs method
[20:55:40] <autojack> that seems like it might be the cleanest method.
[20:56:07] <autojack> because the locks method is going to require me to go back to having the package job 'cd' into the build job's workspace.
[20:56:12] <autojack> which is just yucky.
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[21:04:19] <stisti> abayer: rumor has it you are developing Jenkins on Mac OS X?
[21:04:31] <abayer> Yup.
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[21:05:20] <stisti> do you know what are those extra apps that pop up in the dock when you "mvn install" and it runs some tests?
[21:05:37] <stisti> and how to prevent them from being launched as apps?
[21:05:46] <abayer> That I have never figured out. =)
[21:06:45] <stisti> if I want to set up Jenkins as a launch daemon and run those in jobs, they bomb and complain about not being able to connect to Windowserver
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[21:11:53] <autojack> crap.
[21:12:04] <kohsuke> abayer: I'm not feeling well so I need to lie down, but rtyler was asking for the agenda of tomorrow
[21:12:12] <autojack> how can I pass the branch name to a downstream build via the "promoted builds" mechanism?
[21:12:25] <kohsuke> From my side, maybe "recap on infra migration / rename status"?
[21:12:51] <autojack> is the Promoted Builds plugin going to run the downstream job I specify, or do I still define that separately?
[21:13:05] <autojack> (in which case I can use the 'execute parameterized build' plugin that I already have)
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[21:19:20] <autojack> aha
[21:19:21] <autojack> yep that works.
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[21:26:03] <abayer> kohsuke: oh yeah. That sounds good. I'll think about it a bit alter.
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[21:30:08] <autojack> duuuuude.
[21:30:17] <autojack> kisielk: I think you have provided the most elegant solution to my problem :)
[21:30:18] <autojack> thanks!
[21:30:41] <autojack> I created a downstream job that just checks the branch name, and fails if it's '
[21:30:46] <autojack> if it's 'master'
[21:31:01] <autojack> and then the build job doesn't get promoted if that job fails.
[21:31:09] <autojack> if it promotes, then it runs the package job.
[21:31:11] <autojack> neato
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[21:40:20] <aheritier> abayer: kohsuke : If you can reply on the thread about Jira administration. I don't have enough feedback why it is like that and why it didn't changed ... :-)
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[21:45:03] <fcamblor> !voice ? :)
[21:48:50] <aheritier> ?
[21:53:00] <abayer> aheritier: One sec.
[21:53:57] <aheritier> abayer: ?? was for fcamblor  :-)
[21:54:08] <aheritier> There is no urgency for the thread
[21:54:08] <abayer> aheritier: I meant to your earlier question. =)
[21:54:16] <mikko> can jnlp currently connect to master over a http proxy?
[21:54:23] <mikko> jnlp slave i mean
[21:55:51] <aheritier> mikko: In theory it should work but you have probably to add many system properties to define this proxy
[21:55:58] <abayer> aheritier: which thread was that?
[21:56:06] <mikko> http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-6167
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[21:56:18] <mikko> found the following hudson issue but seems to be unsolved
[21:56:20] <abayer> Oh, got it.
[21:56:35] <jenkins-admin> JENKINS-6167:JNLP slave should support a connection via HTTP proxy (Open) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/6167
[21:59:14] <aheritier> abayer: good reply :-) At least it is clear now
[21:59:25] <aheritier> thus what can we do as next step ?
[22:00:26] <abayer> Well, if someone trustworthy is willing to put in the work, I think we could probably give that person admin access and let them do it. I just don't think I'm going to have time to do it any time in the foreseeable future.
[22:01:12] <fcamblor> aheritier: abayer: I'm not voice-ed anymore since #jenkins channel migration :'(
[22:01:24] <abayer> fcamblor: bug rtyler. =)
[22:01:29] <fcamblor> "snif" :-)
[22:02:03] <fcamblor> abayer: yay ! :}
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[22:02:46] <rtyler> wat
[22:03:09] <aheritier> abayer: perhaps not this week but if it isn't done before I can try next week (I'm taking few holidays) or next two weeks (I'll be working from Vietnam and nights will be long :-) )
[22:03:14] <fcamblor> rtyler: can you voice me ? :)
[22:03:38] <aheritier> fcamblor: are you really the one you say you are ??
[22:03:41] <aheritier> :-)
[22:03:41] <rtyler> ah yes
[22:03:46] <fcamblor> huhu
[22:04:05] <aheritier> Don't trust him, fcamblor is a bot :-)
[22:04:20] <abayer> aheritier: Sounds great to me. =)
[22:04:21] <fcamblor> aheritier is a liar
[22:04:33] <aheritier> :-)
[22:04:36] * fcamblor is not a bot :'(
[22:04:48] <rtyler> fcamblor: /cycle #jenkins
[22:04:53] <aheritier> abayer: ok thus I'll ping you next week if nobody did it before
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[22:05:31] <fcamblor> yay \o/
[22:05:36] <fcamblor> thanks rtyler :)
[22:05:38] <rtyler> \o\
[22:05:42] <aheritier> :-)
[22:05:49] <fcamblor> o//
[22:06:18] <fcamblor> a bot can't dance like me !
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[22:10:24] <aheritier> fcamblor: :-)
[22:10:54] <aheritier> abayer: If we change Jira to split it in various projects, is it possible/necessary to update the bot ?
[22:11:35] <abayer> That's kohsuke's - I don't know.
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[22:14:44] <rpetti> I'm wondering what I should do with the plethora of bugs assigned to me on the hudson jira
[22:14:45] <mindless> aheritier: you can fix it.. it's in github
[22:15:16] <mindless> rpetti: I had a handful, and unassigned myself
[22:15:36] <mindless> or did I close them.. i've forgotten already
[22:15:43] <aheritier> rpetti: unassign if you don't think you'll fix them
[22:16:01] <aheritier> assigning issues to someone says to others : DO NOT TOUCH
[22:16:10] <rpetti> I'll fix them, just not in the hudson depot. :P
[22:16:14] <aheritier> mindless: Ok, I'll have a look at it
[22:16:17] <rpetti> unassigning it is
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[22:17:07] <aheritier> In HUDSON jira (I already forgot this one) everybody unassign themselves
[22:17:12] <aheritier> I saw notifications
[22:17:24] <olamy> kohsuke hello
[22:17:25] <olamy>  I have just pushed some changes in maven-junit-plugin you can now use -Dtest=RedeployPublisherTest#testTarGzUniqueVersionTrue*
[22:18:43] <aheritier> olamy: You forgot to merge it in surefire :-)
[22:19:29] <olamy> oh no I will
[22:19:42] <olamy> I have a jira assigned to myself there
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[22:21:07] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: remove unused code
[22:21:07] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: use %n for new lines in format strings
[22:21:08] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: don't use synchronized collections in a local-only context
[22:21:08] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: guard against npes
[22:21:09] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: method parms should document the types of values they expect
[22:21:09] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: remove wasteful duplicate method calls
[22:21:10] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: don't use reference comparisons with Booleans
[22:21:10] <aheritier> You think it will be technically possible ?
[22:21:10] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: remove needless null check, subject isn't null (from above)
[22:21:11] <jenkinsci_builds> * Dave Brosius: Classes that derive from FederatedIdentity are put into the session and should therefore be serializable
[22:21:11] <jenkinsci_builds> * Jerome Lacoste: JENKINS-8707 make changelog.html pass w3c validator
[22:21:12] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Hudson to Jenkins
[22:21:12] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 496 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #458 17 days ago)
[22:22:18] <aheritier> Someone can rename the view please : http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/view/Hudson%20core/
[22:24:31] <Creeture> Hey all. I'm working on a brand new install of jenkinsci. First time I've tried to hook it up to an LDAP server and I'm failing miserably. I've tried all of the hints I can find on the Google and could still use some help figuring out why I'm getting NO_OBJECT errors. So...I think the easiest place for *me* to start would be asking directly "How do I see what LDAP query is being sent out?"
[22:26:04] <Creeture> And what it is expecting in return.
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[22:47:58] <abayer> Ok, other agenda items...
[22:48:06] <abayer> Crap, I still haven't got the governance proposal written.
[22:48:20] <abayer> aheritier: done
[22:49:15] <aheritier> abayer: thx
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[22:52:07] <abayer> Ah, that's something I wanted to talk about  tomorrow, rtyler - test cases. Figuring out what combinations of platforms/plugins we should have basic tests to run before releases, and what else we should do in the way of pre-release qualification.
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[22:55:39] <abayer> rtyler: also the JIRA triage discussion.
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[22:55:58] <larrys> abayer: have you ever looked at BDD (cucumber/JBehave/etc)? It would be nice to have some BDD tests for Jenkins (I only bring this up since I've been working on getting JBehave/BDD up and going at my job, and some developers are really digging it)
[22:56:29] <abayer> I haven't looked at, well, anything. =) That's why I want to talk about it tomorrow - get input from people who actually know this stuff. =)
[22:56:44] <larrys> BDD is TDD done right (to some). :)
[22:57:52] <larrys> Oh look, a survey from Sonatype for "Hudson" ;)
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[22:59:28] <mwalling> larrys: with a free ipad
[22:59:29] <mwalling> !
[23:00:29] <larrys> heh
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[23:00:40] <larrys> "Suggestions: Use Jenkins"
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[23:17:47] <hachi> abuse jenkins
[23:18:56] <cybernd> mhm interesting questions - "2 additional questions for a iphone" after several pages of questions
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[23:29:14] <Creeture> effin a...setting groupsearchbase to usersearchbase fixed it. /me screams and heads on to the next step.
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[23:50:53] <autojack> hey abayer... I think Jenkins is failing to save the setting of "Criteria for build to be archived" in the Clone Workspace plugin.
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[23:51:04] <abayer> Open a bug? =)
[23:51:11] <autojack> will do :)
[23:51:12] <abayer> I've been nasty busy with work the last few days.
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[23:51:25] <autojack> NP. just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong.
[23:51:35] <autojack> when I change it, save config, then load the config again, it's set back to default.
[23:53:38] <hugod_> I don't see a /latest/ url for downloading the latest version of a plugin. Is this just temporary, or a permanent change?
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[23:53:47] <rtyler> OH NOES
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