[00:00:24] <olamy> how do you want to "start" or investigate in this ?
[00:00:38] <abayer> I'm about to write an email to Doug Cutting.
[00:00:43] <olamy> ah ok
[00:00:56] <gmcdonald> http://twitter.com/maxandersen/status/33817436717322240
[00:01:09] <olamy> maybe there is legal issue (to be honest I'm not a lawyer)
[00:01:19] <abayer> Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of - but it's worth looking into.
[00:02:29] <olamy> maybe you can send an email to legal-discuss ml in ASF ?
[00:03:07] <olamy> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-legal-discuss/
[00:03:31] <gmcdonald> mit lience is compatible
[00:04:27] <olamy> sure maybe sounds good (perso all new files I have added have ASF license :-) )
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[00:09:34] <olamy> but have a look here http://jenkins.pastebin.com/z3q6ad1n
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[00:10:13] <olamy> jna-posix is GPL ?
[00:10:38] <abayer> http://kenai.com/projects/jna-posix - CPL as well.
[00:11:00] <olamy> nice
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[00:19:08] <abayer> Hmm. Given that MIT license is compatible with Apache, I wonder if we could do something where we froze the existing code as is, made that a dependency for Apache Jenkins, and then had all new changes override the frozen code somehow, with all the new changes/code being Apache licensed. =)
[00:19:59] <olamy> sure
[00:20:29] <gmcdonald> not all code needs to be Apache licensed 'before' going to Apache, just during incubation period it gets corrected and before a first release
[00:20:31] <olamy> http://incubator.apache.org/ is the place for you to find some resources
[00:21:09] <gmcdonald> as long as you guys know there is an incubation period of undetermined length of time
[00:21:20] <gmcdonald> could be weeks, could be months
[00:21:36] <abayer> gmcdonald: The problem is that the code up until now is covered by a CLA with Oracle, so they have copyright and relicensing rights, etc. And we don't. =)
[00:21:54] <gmcdonald> ack
[00:22:14] <abayer> Yeah. Hence our problem.
[00:22:27] <gmcdonald> wouldnt want the ASF to be next in line to be sued
[00:22:57] <abayer> Honestly, even more than that, I myself don't want to be in line to be sued. =)
[00:23:05] <gmcdonald> our lawyers et al would see you on the right path, legal-discuss@ for sure is a great place to start
[00:23:40] <abayer> I just emailed Doug (I'm at Cloudera, so Doug's a coworker - he and I have chatted about Hudson/Jenkins stuff before), but I imagine he'll refer me to legal-discuss.
[00:23:56] <gmcdonald> ok cool
[00:24:08] <gmcdonald> cant get much higher than Doug at the ASF currently ;)
[00:24:32] <abayer> Yeah, I had an interesting moment on my first day when I realized the guy sitting on the other side of my monitor was the chair of ASF.
[00:25:07] <gmcdonald> nice
[00:30:42] <gmcdonald> olamy: http://jenkins.pastebin.com/z3q6ad1n <-- so may be an idea to start a list with those and have the license it uses next to it
[00:31:25] <olamy> ack
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[00:34:46] <abayer> Shouldn't be that hard.
[00:35:00] <olamy> sure but long :-)
[00:35:14] <abayer> =)
[00:35:24] <olamy> this remember I have an ip clearance to do
[00:35:39] <olamy> for moving tomcat-maven-plugin from mojo to ASF
[00:35:53] <abayer> Lemme see if I can script something.
[00:36:32] <olamy> maybe you can get license info from the pom of all dependencies ?
[00:36:38] <abayer> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[00:36:54] <abayer> Feels like someone should have already done written a tool to do this.
[00:36:56] <olamy> not sure all folks add this in their pom
[00:37:00] <abayer> Yeah.
[00:38:02] <olamy> jna-3.2.4.jar
[00:38:06] <nairb774> abayer, the license info shows up in the maven side in the dependencies report
[00:38:14] <nairb774> *site
[00:38:15] <olamy> is from sun ?
[00:38:31] <olamy> http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/com/sun/jna/jna/3.0.9/jna-3.0.9.pom
[00:39:34] <nairb774> http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-project-info-reports-plugin/dependencies-mojo.html << should generate the license info
[00:39:36] <abayer> Yeah, that one looks problematic.
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[00:39:52] <abayer> swank - thanks, nairb774!
[00:39:59] <nairb774> np
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[01:02:13] <abayer> ?I need to reconfigure that job. =)
[01:03:03] <myusuf3_> ahh guys
[01:03:14] <myusuf3_> i want to learn how to write jenkins plugins
[01:03:19] <myusuf3_> links ppplease
[01:03:38] <statlor> do you have a type of plugin in mind?
[01:03:44] <myusuf3_> a boss plugin
[01:03:58] <statlor> http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Extend+Jenkins
[01:04:18] <statlor> which boss, DR-880?
[01:04:45] <myusuf3_> statlor, i am sorry i dont get the reference
[01:05:05] <myusuf3_> drum kit/
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[01:06:47] <statlor> yes :)
[01:06:55] <statlor> you just mean boss as in cool?
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[01:08:30] <statlor> the wiki site has a good bit of general info
[01:09:06] <statlor> but definitely checking out existing plugins and the mailing list archives are going to help you with the more arcane details
[01:09:24] <statlor> and, of course, there are some mega-brains here (not me)
[01:09:39] <statlor> and not rtyler ;)
[01:10:12] <statlor> ok rtyler points his mega-brain in other directions just as valuable
[01:10:21] <statlor> that's better.. afk
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[01:28:36] <gmcdonald> thats a long time
[01:28:54] <abayer> Rename confusion and such.
[01:28:59] <abayer> And build machine downtime.
[01:29:06] <gmcdonald> ack
[01:29:30] <gmcdonald> has build machines been lost (housed at oracle etc?)
[01:30:08] <abayer> Nah, we have a long history of not having enough build machines. =)
[01:30:49] <gmcdonald> ok
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[01:39:57] <jenkinsci_builds> * Stefan Wolf: Added autocomplete feature to BuildTrigger
[01:39:57] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Other languages on JVM may not be able to provide the type information.
[01:39:58] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: noting the changes
[01:39:58] <jenkinsci_builds> * petehayes: Fixed HUDSON-6689.  Updated the primary view name (default view) if someone changed the name of the view that was marked as primary.
[01:39:59] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Fixed a bug in the test harness.
[01:39:59] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: bug fix in the test
[01:40:00] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: preparing for RC
[01:40:00] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: this change belongs to the master, not in RC
[01:40:01] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: the trunk is toward 1.397
[01:40:01] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: recording the biggest change in this release
[01:40:02] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: added a new self-signed certificate that says Jenkins
[01:40:02] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: modified to point to the correct instances
[01:40:03] <jenkinsci_builds> * Manolo Carrasco: Add Spanish missing keys. Update Spanish internationalized values to have the word Jenkins instead of Hudson. Changes in translation tool to advise when a file have the Hudson word
[01:40:03] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: few more fix up
[01:40:04] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: ProxyOutputStream was not thread safe even though it often gets used by multiple threads, for example when you launch a remote process with the same stdout/stderr.
[01:40:04] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [maven-release-plugin] prepare release jenkins-1_396
[01:40:05] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [maven-release-plugin] prepare for next development iteration
[01:40:16] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-5415] force terminate Jenkins if it fails to shut down
[01:40:17] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-5784] logrotate script for RPM/openSUSE bug fix
[01:40:17] <jenkinsci_builds> * Alan Harder: update some images to use ci.jenkins-ci.org,
[01:40:18] <jenkinsci_builds> * Andrew Bayer: Fix JENKINS-8196
[01:40:18] <jenkinsci_builds> * Jerome Lacoste: JENKINS-8676 Windows XP slave stopped working in 1.396 (related to name change)
[01:40:19] <jenkinsci_builds> * Olivier Lamy: update changelog for 8676
[01:40:19] <jenkinsci_builds> * Richie Vos: Add the build's description to the build feed
[01:40:20] <jenkinsci_builds> * Brian Atkinson: This adds a test from HUDSON-8656, and is likely related to issues found in
[01:40:20] <jenkinsci_builds> * Brian Atkinson: Add two exact tests for HUDSON-8656.
[01:40:21] <jenkinsci_builds> * Brian Atkinson: First pass at a fix for JENKINS-8592.
[01:40:21] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-3935] add build description to feeds.
[01:40:22] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Recording c628bdd32be8fdf0f663b373836585498e1ecaa1
[01:40:22] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Recording the fix in HUDSON-8656.
[01:40:23] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: fail more gracefully if the header is not provided.
[01:40:23] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-8660] recording the fix from Jerome Lacoste.
[01:40:24] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: minor touch up
[01:40:24] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: [FIXED JENKINS-4756] recording the pull request #33 from Janick Reynders
[01:40:25] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: explaining how to write this file
[01:40:28] <abayer> ?and the build machines can sometimes be grumpy about getting set up.
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[01:44:18] <abayer> kohsuke: you around?
[01:53:09] <abayer> kohsuke: fyi, the build I'm trying to run of master is hanging on remoting tests.
[01:54:24] <abayer> But I can't recreate the hang running on my laptop.
[01:54:51] <kohsuke> let's get the stack trace dump before you kill the build
[01:54:55] <kohsuke> must be a race condition of some sort
[01:55:56] <abayer> http://jenkins.pastebin.com/Rigp8SXa - that's the process called by surefire.
[01:56:45] <abayer> http://jenkins.pastebin.com/eULvfWqx - and that's the Maven process.
[01:57:40] <kohsuke> The former is useful. The latter is not, in this case. Can you file a bug for this?
[01:57:44] <kohsuke> I'm working on something else now
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[01:58:01] <abayer> Ok - I'm going to try building on a different box to see if that makes any difference.
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[02:06:27] <abayer> Hmm, test passed on jieryn-w's box, but not on my EC2 box. Weird.
[02:07:09] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #487: STILL FAILING in 8 min 58 sec: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/487/
[02:07:38] <abayer> ?and that's a different failure entirely, kvetching about our findbugs setup and maven 3. I'll change it back to maven 2 and rerun.
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[02:08:32] <_W_> so, are there any chance at all of letting people contribute without signing some agreement?
[02:08:41] <statlor> you have angered the jenkinsci bot
[02:08:58] <abayer> _W_: I don't think we have an answer on that yet.
[02:08:59] <statlor> hm? I thought that was only for core
[02:09:06] <abayer> And yeah, it'd only be relevant to core.
[02:09:12] <_W_> abayer, well, that's a "yes"
[02:09:16] <_W_> there is /some/ chance
[02:09:23] <abayer> Probably not a big chance, admittedly.
[02:09:29] <statlor> a non-zero chance!
[02:10:25] <statlor> man, what's a good font for irc.. they all look terrible
[02:10:46] <_W_> I know there are parts of the core I want to have a go at, but I don't really feel like getting started if it's going to involve IP crap
[02:12:34] <_W_> I mean, yes, sure, I could do my own branch thing, but that would essentially mean my improvements would be just for me
[02:15:09] <abayer> I understand, but there are legal concerns that make CLAs important - many open source projects require them.
[02:16:12] <_W_> abayer, there were two raised that I could see in the meeting logs - relicensing, and deterrent for people screwing you over with pirated code
[02:16:20] <abayer> Yup.
[02:16:38] <_W_> the first is irrelevant if you accept public domain patches, the second is, quite frankly, useless
[02:16:56] <abayer> And making sure we don't end up with trouble from someone's employer - since many employers claim ownership of everything their employees write, etc.
[02:17:17] <_W_> if someone commit code copy/pasted from elsewhere, they're going to do it agreement or not - it's just as illegal, just as sue-able over
[02:17:38] <_W_> abayer, again, I can sign an agreement then work on my employers time and commit that
[02:17:45] <_W_> you're in as much trouble
[02:18:45] <abayer> CLAs generally require that you have the right to submit the code - the Apache one has a section on employers, e.g.
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[02:19:20] <abayer> But anyway, IANAL - I just know that most major open source projects require CLAs and that people who do know the legal issues better than I do consider them important.
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[02:19:45] <_W_> yeah and lots of people thing GPL is an open source license
[02:20:12] <_W_> lots of projects /don't/ require CLAs too, and they seem to get by fine
[02:20:22] <_W_> s/thing/think
[02:22:18] <abayer> Well, I'd suggest you email the dev list and make your case.
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[02:25:08] <_W_> I haven't signed up to the mailing list, but I guess I'll go do that
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[02:43:57] <statlor> hmm is there a quick way to reassign 25 issues from one user to another in jira?
[02:44:08] <statlor> or let's say 24
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[03:02:12] <statlor> n/m I found a decent solution. man this is light years faster than the old java.net setup
[03:02:22] <statlor> especially pre-jira issue tracker
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[03:10:45] <rtyler> statlor: so I hear you're talking trash about my mega-brain
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[04:22:54] <_W_> abayer, I was unable to email the jenkinsci-dev at googlegroups dot com list - I subscribed successfully (I believe - got confirmation mail and everything) but got a delivery report back when I tried to post saying that the group might not exist, or I might not have access.
[04:23:14] <_W_> oh nvm,  I see now
[04:23:30] <_W_> there's a special way to post to the list by email, not like a traditional mailing list
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[04:27:50] <_W_> oh, that still didn't work
[04:28:04] <_W_> man, why can't you just use some sane mailing list software?
[04:29:21] <_W_> oh, the mail still showed up in the web list, as "not yet accepted"
[04:29:38] <statlor> hm? that sounds odd
[04:29:42] <statlor> I just email
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[04:32:29] <_W_> probably because I'm a new user and need moderator approval or something like that
[04:33:22] <statlor> gotta be something like that
[04:33:44] <statlor> something to mitigate spam/shenanigans
[04:34:03] * statlor is ignorant of mailing list intracacies.
[04:35:18] <statlor> rtyler: I revised my statements ;)
[04:35:34] <statlor> I saw a post from yours from like 18 months ago on git/gerrit
[04:35:50] <statlor> it was good
[04:36:31] <rtyler> heh
[04:36:43] <rtyler> I'm just a Jenkins cheerleader, doesn't take much in the way of smarts
[04:36:46] <statlor> I gotta get on git
[04:37:01] <statlor> how do I reconcile with with being the accurev plugin maintainer
[04:37:14] <statlor> I think I want to push my company to git :o
[04:37:30] <rtyler> statlor: abayer was the ClearCase plugin maintainer
[04:37:37] <statlor> I need gerrit/sonar/every other tool out there that doesn't integrate with some obscure enterprise SCM
[04:38:07] * rtyler nods
[04:38:18] <statlor> but the trick is, accurev has a gui and so is pretty simple for basic commit (which they call keep/promote)
[04:38:33] <statlor> so a lot of the regular devs are going to panic when I break out git
[04:38:55] <statlor> they went from VSS -> AccuRev
[04:39:06] <statlor> most of them have no concept of svn!
[04:39:18] <statlor> welcome to the real world
[04:39:18] <rtyler> yikes
[04:39:25] <rtyler> I'm in the real world
[04:39:27] <statlor> yes.. it sucks
[04:39:33] <rtyler> we still have the brains not to do crap like that ;)
[04:39:33] <statlor> I'm not sure how to approach it
[04:40:07] <statlor> I have to position it as what we can achieve with a different toolset vs what we have now
[04:40:20] <statlor> and how our SCM choice pretty much holds us back on everything downstream
[04:40:25] <statlor> it's kind of important
[04:40:37] <abayer> Costs you more money, too.
[04:40:40] <statlor> is there tortoiseGit or something similar?
[04:40:50] <statlor> yes a decent amount.. probably a half ton
[04:41:06] <statlor> floating license limit that we keep hitting, so they keep looking for users to drop
[04:41:09] <abayer> And yeah, I think there is a TortoiseGit.
[04:41:14] <statlor> hmm
[04:41:33] <statlor> I have to come up with a good alternate gui'sh solution or it will be DOA
[04:42:02] <statlor> 2 out of 40+ devs use non-windows, and I'm one of them
[04:42:24] <_W_> we're looking to move code from SVN to Github at work
[04:42:53] <statlor> oh hm, does github have a good enterprisish story?
[04:43:02] <statlor> like some kind of hosted private solution?
[04:43:11] <_W_> it has private repositories you can pay for
[04:43:21] <statlor> that may be an option
[04:43:45] <rtyler> if your corporation has no issue with third party source code hosting that it
[04:43:47] <rtyler> that is*
[04:44:08] <statlor> right
[04:44:14] <_W_> our company has no problems with it - one less machine to maintain
[04:44:23] <statlor> probably would be an issue at ours, just due to culture
[04:44:49] <statlor> I mean they were using freaking VSS up until a few years ago
[04:45:01] <statlor> somehow skipped cvs AND svn!
[04:45:05] <statlor> how is that possible
[04:45:36] <statlor> I moved WCOM folks to cvs in 2000!
[04:45:55] <statlor> then the company tanked in 2001 heh
[04:46:03] <statlor> afk
[04:47:46] <statlor> sorry.. locquacious again
[04:47:53] <statlor> er loquacious
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[13:19:17] <cliffano> did Oracle change Kohsuke's wiki account name to 'hudson CI'? http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/~kohsuke/Home
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[13:42:38] <jlouis> FYI: http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/download/attachments/753667/1.png still has a Hudson in it :)
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[14:29:06] <benmatselby> How do you link two accounts together in Jenkins? So I have my username to log into Jenkins which is done via Crowd and then I have my commit name, both get created in Hudson/People view
[14:29:50] <benmatselby> I can't seem to link the two together, and when I click "My Views" I get a HTTP Status 500: The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.
[14:29:56] <benmatselby> Anyone seem/solved this before?
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[18:48:22] <kohsuke> cliffano: yeah, looks like it. I guess so that my name won't show up in pages under "Added by" or "Edited by" section
[18:48:31] <kohsuke> Wow, that's just sad
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[19:11:37] <rtyler> heh
[19:11:45] <rtyler> kohsuke: you shouldn't be so surprised
[19:16:38] <rtyler> kohsuke: can you disable the infra_svnsync job?
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[19:41:37] <kohsuke> will do
[19:41:45] <kohsuke> rtyler: And can you approve the SSL certificate request?
[19:42:00] <kohsuke> I bought one for jenkins-ci.org, and GoDaddy wants to make sure you, the domain owner, is OK with it
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[20:07:41] <wolfs> As a plugin developer, now using jenkins, what should we do with the old wiki page on the hudson wiki?
[20:07:57] <wolfs> Put a note there, that the current documentation is in the jenkins wiki?
[20:08:06] <wolfs> or leave it as is?
[20:08:09] <wolfs> delete it?
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[20:08:17] <wolfs> opinions?
[20:09:27] <rtyler> kohsuke: yeah, that's on my todo list
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[20:52:01] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 489 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #458 15 days ago)
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[21:51:08] <Alexlehm> can I register a "complaint" about the password reset service for account migration:
[21:54:23] <Alexlehm> when resetting the password, the page is running as http (including the submitted page), but then the result page is an iframe with https, which currently gives a certificate error since the cert for jenkins-ci.org is selfsigned. So you do not see a result page.
[21:55:01] <Alexlehm> it would be better if the account page would redirect to https in all cases
[21:55:45] <nairb774> the self signed problem is hopefully going to be fixed soon as a real cert has been applied for, at to the use of http rather then https I *think* that is a kohsuke thing
[21:56:00] <nairb774> *as to
[21:57:06] <Alexlehm> if you get a real cert, using https for all account pages would be much nicer as well
[21:58:20] <Alexlehm> thanks
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[22:30:56] <recampbell> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2186485
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[22:35:19] <aheritier> recampbell: :-D
[22:37:00] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #489: STILL FAILING in 1 hr 45 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/489/
[22:37:59] <recampbell> aheritier, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
[22:40:00] <aheritier> recampbell: :-) I didn't read it. I should I think.
[22:40:10] <recampbell> aheritier, more specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
[22:40:30] <recampbell> yes, highly recommended
[22:41:46] <aheritier> kohsuke: If you have some discussion with Jason, perhaps you could ask to remove from Oracle side everythink that mainteners don't want to keep (confluence and jira for plugins). The best could be to have a redirection from hudson.org to jenkins.org (To have the best for ours communities)
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[23:13:38] <maxandersen> aheritier: which bot is doing the jira/git stuff :)
[23:14:20] <aheritier> hello maxandersen
[23:14:28] <maxandersen> hey aheritier  ;)
[23:14:54] <aheritier> jenkins-admin: hello
[23:14:55] <jenkins-admin> I didn't understand the command
[23:15:01] <aheritier> this is the bot :-)
[23:15:16] <aheritier> jenkins-admin: where are your sources ??
[23:15:17] <jenkins-admin> I didn't understand the command
[23:15:27] <aheritier> but it doesn't want to talk :-)
[23:16:06] <maxandersen> aheritier: ah its a java bot?
[23:16:07] <aheritier> kohsuke: Did you publicly shared the sources of the bot ?
[23:16:10] <maxandersen> aheritier: (whois)
[23:16:21] <maxandersen> aheritier: we got similar in jbossbot
[23:16:48] <maxandersen> aheritier: but it uses webscraping for the jira stuff which has its limits. not sure if jenkins-admin does the same.
[23:17:09] <aheritier> It's very useful to ease systems administrations
[23:17:19] <aheritier> it is possible
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[23:38:59] <ahhughes> argh... the scm plugin always says "no changes" when there are changes :'(
[23:39:51] <ahhughes> it even says so in the console output.
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