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[00:05:24] <cowboyd> kohsuke:
[00:05:27] <cowboyd> damn
[00:05:35] <cowboyd> was that commit on master for the getT() ?
[00:05:43] <kohsuke> no, it's a branch
[00:05:49] <kohsuke> did you run with "mvn -DskipTests"
[00:05:53] <kohsuke> it should be pretty quick
[00:05:55] <cowboyd> yes
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[00:06:34] <cowboyd> 		<groupId>org.jenkins-ci.plugins</groupId>
[00:06:34] <cowboyd> 		<artifactId>plugin</artifactId>
[00:06:34] <cowboyd> 		<version>1.396-SNAPSHOT</version>
[00:06:41] <cowboyd> it compiles
[00:06:53] <cowboyd> but, the problem is that hudson/hudson/tree/master doesn't appear to have that change
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[00:07:26] <cowboyd> I see the commit, but can't find a branch with it. were you inviting me to just cherry pick that?
[00:07:28] <calculus> rtyler, abayer, kohsuke: twitter in the topic can change as well
[00:07:29] <kohsuke> it's on the 'after-first-release' branch
[00:07:32] <cowboyd> ahhh
[00:07:42] <rtyler> good point
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[00:08:31] <calculus> thanks
[00:09:48] <calculus> I know there is a lot of updates to make with the name change, but there is also the twitter feed on http://jenkins-ci.org/
[00:10:09] <abayer> calculus: calling 'em out is the best way for us to know what the hell all we need to fix. =)
[00:10:47] <rtyler> ah, that stupid widget
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[00:11:54] <abayer> kohsuke: olamy was looking for https://svn.java.net/svn/hudson~svn/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-embedder/ and https://svn.java.net/svn/hudson~svn/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-artifact-manager/ in github.
[00:12:10] <kohsuke> will do
[00:12:16] <abayer> danke
[00:12:39] <olamy> merci !
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[00:12:49] <calculus> hmm... that's weird, the blog posts (or at least the first two) on http://jenkins-ci.org/ say "0 Comments and 0 Reactions", but when I click on them I see a non-zero amount of comments
[00:12:50] <rtyler> calculus: fixord :D
[00:12:55] <calculus> rtyler: thanks
[00:12:57] <olamy> let me know I have some stuff to fix here
[00:13:03] <fcamblor> kohsuke & abayer : just finished my talk at Bordeaux JUG (in france) about jenkins
[00:13:05] <rtyler> calculus: the comments are being migrated over on disqus' side still
[00:13:06] <kohsuke> olamy: Just that I won't be deleting from svn repo. I don't feel comfortable touching Oracle repo.
[00:13:17] <olamy> sure I understand
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[00:13:22] <kohsuke> fcamblor: nice! Tweeet that so that I can retweet
[00:13:26] <calculus> rtyler: ok
[00:13:27] <fcamblor> when I asked the question "who, here, is using hudson / jenkins"
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[00:13:32] <olamy> I will change groupId/artifactId
[00:13:46] <fcamblor> mostly everyone raised hand :)
[00:13:48] <olamy> the "rule" is org.jenkins ?
[00:13:57] <abayer> fcamblor: =) I liked your slides.
[00:13:58] <olamy> bravo fcamblor !
[00:14:17] <kohsuke> org.jenkinsci? org.jenkins_ci?
[00:14:21] <olamy> hehe
[00:14:24] <fcamblor> I talked about the rename... noone was feared about it
[00:14:39] <abayer> kohsuke: didn't you use org.jenkins-ci?
[00:14:40] <olamy> perso I prefer jenkinsci
[00:14:43] <abayer> Or is that a problem?
[00:14:55] <kohsuke> sorry, I confused it with the package name
[00:14:57] <olamy> same a java package
[00:14:58] <abayer> If it is a problem, I also vote for org.jenkinsci. It's cleaner.
[00:15:02] <kohsuke> yes, groupId is org.jenkins-ci
[00:15:11] <olamy> ok
[00:15:25] <olamy> groupId != package name
[00:15:56] <olamy> btw for sync with central we could probably only sync stuff with this new groupId
[00:15:57] <olamy> ?
[00:16:08] <kohsuke> yeah
[00:16:57] <olamy> so asking all contributors to gpg : ouch
[00:17:29] <olamy> dunno if it's possible to do this in the "middle"
[00:17:38] <stephenc> sorry?
[00:17:48] <stephenc> what's the gpg or was that a gpl typo
[00:17:49] <olamy> he
[00:18:53] <stephenc> 'tis a pitty you couldn't ask stevejenkins to allow use of his domain
[00:18:59] <kohsuke> olamy: If we only do it for core I think that's good enough start.
[00:19:09] <stephenc> that way the groupId could be simply org.jenkins
[00:20:56] <olamy> sure
[00:21:04] <fcamblor> kohsuke: http://twitter.com/#!/fcamblor/status/32215371482136576
[00:21:46] <olamy> oh he refused ?
[00:22:35] <fcamblor> kohsuke: don't hesitate to correct me about Hudson birthday ... was not sure about the nov '04 date :-)
[00:23:02] <fcamblor> The information was not easy to find on the www :)
[00:23:06] <stephenc> @olamy not sure if he was asked
[00:23:17] <stephenc> but before we go changing groupId's it might be nice to see
[00:23:41] <olamy> so adding -ci is not bad
[00:23:42] <kohsuke> This is a great presentation
[00:24:03] <stephenc> just brings a disconnect with the package names
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[00:25:51] <stephenc> i prefer things to line up nicely
[00:26:01] <stephenc> but then perhaps I am a tad anal
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[00:28:52] <abayer> fwiw, I just registered jenkinsci.org, so we can use that for package names if we want too. =)
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[00:29:34] <myusuf3> hey
[00:29:36] <myusuf3> quick question
[00:29:44] <myusuf3> best plugin for displaying test results?
[00:29:59] <myusuf3> for a manager type
[00:30:00] <rtyler> there's built in support for displaying that
[00:30:04] <myusuf3> yeah
[00:30:07] <rtyler> for a manager type though, huh.
[00:30:12] <myusuf3> haha
[00:30:13] <myusuf3> yeah
[00:30:26] <myusuf3> wants a metric for every possible measure
[00:30:48] <myusuf3> like the built in doesn't have a passed value
[00:30:54] <myusuf3> it has run skipped failed
[00:30:57] <myusuf3> anyways
[00:31:04] <myusuf3> i used one with pie charts
[00:31:07] <myusuf3> before
[00:31:15] <myusuf3> java test btw
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[00:33:35] <myusuf3> rtyler, i need to leave now. I can sign back in a bit
[00:33:49] <myusuf3> if your still trying to help that is :P
[00:34:22] <rtyler> I don't really have any ideas
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[00:39:16] <swestcott> myusuf3: have you tried sonar?
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[00:40:36] <swestcott> We use hudson to report build success/fail and sonar to report on code quality static over time
[00:40:47] <swestcott> er, Jenkins :)
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[01:03:18] <autojack> abayer: I think I may have found a bug in the Clone Workspace SCM Plugin. when a downstream job uses the cloned workspace, one of my files which is executable in the parent workspace is NOT executable in the child.
[01:04:06] <mindless> abayer: on that note, that^ plugin has unreleased changes.. could do with a release ;-)
[01:04:12] <abayer> heheheh, soon!
[01:04:29] <autojack> should I file what I'm seeing as a bug?
[01:04:29] <abayer> autojack: I'd say open a bug, but, well, we're in a bit of confusion on *where* to open said bug. =)
[01:04:32] <autojack> OK.
[01:04:34] <autojack> oh, haha
[01:04:36] <autojack> how so?
[01:04:39] <autojack> with the Jenkins move?
[01:04:43] <abayer> Give it a day for us to bring up the Jenkins JIRA instance.
[01:04:53] <autojack> sounds good.
[01:05:18] <autojack> btw I want a global config option in Jenkins that makes it use the name Hudson everywhere ;)
[01:06:56] <dty> When I saw the rename commits, it had occured to me that it would have been nice to abstract the name into a localizable property and have everything get the name from the property.
[01:07:06] <dty> For people who didn't like the Jenkins choice, they could call it whatever they want.
[01:07:13] <abayer> +1
[01:07:22] <autojack> heh
[01:07:26] <abayer> That would be nice. Right now it shows up in so many places.
[01:07:45] <autojack> yes this is my CI system, it's called  -=C T H U L U=-
[01:09:26] <jieryn-w> lol
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[01:10:36] <dty> Continuous T? Hudson: UnLicensed Usage
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[01:58:12] <jieryn-w> rtyler: bored?
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[01:59:19] <rtyler> jieryn-w: depends what you're going to ask me to do :D
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[02:18:47] <autojack> jenkiiiiiins!!!
[02:19:14] <autojack> I just spend like 30 minutes wondering why the hell this C binary wasn't executable.
[02:19:25] <autojack> realized it's because of the clone workspace problem :<
[02:19:31] <autojack> that's really brutal.
[02:20:44] <rtyler> jieryn-w: did you really need me for something?
[02:24:36] <jieryn-w> sorry, i was going to ask you about the ipv6 thing
[02:24:45] <rtyler> shoot
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[02:25:03] <jieryn-w> if you run a tunnel
[02:25:06] <rtyler> I do
[02:25:11] <jieryn-w> through he?
[02:25:13] <rtyler> not on cucumber, but locally
[02:25:20] * jieryn-w nods
[02:25:28] <jieryn-w> is jenkins-ci.org available?
[02:25:31] <rtyler> jieryn-w: a bay area ISP, Sonic.net, offers "unsupported" IPv6 tunnling
[02:25:35] <jieryn-w> ah
[02:25:47] <rtyler> I've thought about making cucumber IPv6 accessible
[02:25:56] <rtyler> we're colocated with Contegix, who doesn't have formal IPv6 support yet
[02:26:10] <jieryn-w> ahh, ok
[02:26:16] <jieryn-w> given that we have a large base outside of USA
[02:26:32] <rtyler> think an HE.net tunnel would be beneficial?
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[02:26:57] <jieryn-w> oh, i am networking illiterate
[02:27:19] <rtyler> I'm not networking illiterate
[02:27:32] <mwalling> IME, the he.net tunnels are annoying
[02:27:38] <rtyler> I'm just past those cardboard books you give to toddlers
[02:27:54] <rtyler> devio.us uses an HE.net tunnel for their IPv6 connectivity
[02:28:13] <rtyler> and HE does have a endpoint in Kansas City about a hop or two away from Contegix
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[02:29:02] <mwalling> i ran one for a while, had it blow up sour more then once
[02:29:49] <rtyler> blow up sour? o_O
[02:30:12] <autojack> anyone have any thoughts on http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-8640
[02:30:21] <jenkins-admin> HUDSON-8640:Contents of shell script build step wiped out (Open) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/8640
[02:30:24] <mwalling> sour like sourpatch kids
[02:30:31] <rtyler> so delicious?
[02:30:57] <mwalling> yes, but sucks after a while because you pucker up
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[02:31:28] <autojack> what were those sour candies...
[02:31:32] <autojack> atom bombs or something?
[02:31:38] <autojack> I remember them from when I was a kid
[02:31:41] <autojack> sour a-bombs
[02:32:05] <autojack> WARHEADS
[02:32:44] <autojack> http://www.warheads.com/
[02:33:03] <autojack> "Our new site features drag & drop widgets that let you customize the page. You can also create a profile, read the new comix, use the Store Locator to find your favorite WARHEADS candy, add your comments to the forum, upload videos for all to see, and more. It's all here, so why not get started?"
[02:33:11] <rtyler> oooof
[02:33:15] <autojack> heh
[02:33:17] <rtyler> those things
[02:33:18] <autojack> how brutal is that?
[02:33:20] <rtyler> no bueno
[02:33:25] <autojack> talk about www.whatthefuckismysocialmediastrategy.com
[02:33:39] <autojack> I CAN CREATE A PROFILE ON WARHEADS.COM? LET ME IN ON THIS.
[02:33:46] <rtyler> haha
[02:34:25] <mikey_p> hi all, not sure what I did, but I locked myself out of 1.385 while trying to switch from matrix to project matrix security
[02:34:55] <autojack> my mouth is watering thinking about Warheads.
[02:34:57] <autojack> I want one now.
[02:35:01] <mwalling> autojack: i hate you
[02:35:05] <mikey_p> here's the error I'm getting after restarting: http://jenkins.pastebin.com/fC0CPuit
[02:35:18] <autojack> haha
[02:35:25] <autojack> mwalling: why?
[02:35:33] <mwalling> i want warheads
[02:35:39] <mwalling> transitivly, i want airheads
[02:35:54] <autojack> I want a warhead wrapped in an airhead.
[02:35:55] <mwalling> transitivly, my crown hurts imagining getting pulled off by an airhead again
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[02:36:47] <mwalling> mikey_p: your config.xml become malformed somehow?
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[02:37:21] <mikey_p> mwalling: yes, while trying to switch to project matrix security, I received an immediate error "admin does not have read access"
[02:37:40] <mwalling> no, your error makes it look like config.xml is malformed
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[02:39:53] <mikey_p> yeah, not sure why, I don't see any errors: http://jenkins.pastebin.com/m5wqUcs3
[02:40:29] <rtyler> mwalling: your HE.net tunnel, were you pushing data over it constantly?
[02:40:38] <mwalling> rtyler: IRC
[02:40:54] <mwalling> so it was PING PONGing every minuteish
[02:41:21] <rtyler> my Sonic.net tunnel will close up a bit if I don't send ICMP6 packets over keepalive
[02:41:25] <rtyler> for keepalive*
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[02:46:44] <nairb774> mikey_p, make a backup of your config.xml first (just for safety's sake)
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[02:47:29] <nairb774> hold on
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[02:47:55] <nairb774> http://jenkins.pastebin.com/3UJ4JtAZ << this is mine - it is unsecured
[02:48:04] <nairb774> it might help you get to a unlocked state
[02:48:24] <nairb774> I would look at the authorizationStrategy and securityRealm settings
[02:48:33] <nairb774> maybe replacing those will get you where you need to go
[02:49:29] <mikey_p> i think it's because something broke somehow when switching security methods
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[02:49:43] <nairb774> possibly
[02:50:03] <nairb774> I am no expert by any means - but I offer this as something to try
[02:50:19] <mikey_p> seems like it's looking for <permission> items under authorizationStrategy if it's set to matrix
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[02:56:12] <mwalling> i hope atlassian charges for the new hudson confluence license :)
[02:59:03] <autojack> as a result of encountering this (http://issues.hudson-ci.org/browse/HUDSON-8640) and getting burned one too many times, I made a quick backup script just for my config.xmls
[02:59:04] <jenkinsci_builds> Project jenkins_main_trunk build #479: UNSTABLE in 53 min: http://ci.jenkins-ci.org/job/jenkins_main_trunk/479/
[02:59:04] <jenkins-admin> HUDSON-8640:Contents of shell script build step wiped out (Open) http://jenkins-ci.org/issue/8640
[02:59:05] <jenkinsci_builds> * Monty Taylor: Rename the hudson dirs and user to jenkins.
[02:59:05] <jenkinsci_builds> * Monty Taylor: Fixed an issue with the jenkins chown.
[02:59:06] <jenkinsci_builds> * Monty Taylor: Deal with file existence in the proper order.
[02:59:06] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: leaving the marker in place. could be useful down the road
[02:59:07] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: I'm scared of deleting things. It doesn't buy us much
[02:59:07] <jenkinsci_builds> Starting build 480 for job jenkins_main_trunk (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #458 10 days ago)
[02:59:49] <autojack> we do a more comprehensive backup of our HUDSON_HOME, but with just the configs stashed somewhere by a cron job, I can quickly recover one.
[03:00:17] <mikey_p> what security methods support groups? it appears that the built in user db does not support groups? is that correct?
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[03:04:46] <autojack> ummmm
[03:04:59] <autojack> it has a couple of predefined groups, that's it I think
[03:05:02] <autojack> it has "logged in users"
[03:05:04] <autojack> and "anonymous"
[03:05:10] <autojack> not sure what else if any
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[03:50:45] <jenkinsci_builds> Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Migrate the data files from Hudson.
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[06:09:42] <rtyler> le sigh, Oracle went and re-registered @hudsonci on twitter
[06:09:46] <rtyler> let the fracturing begin!
[06:16:17] <atmos> you guys didn't squat that acct ?
[06:16:53] <rtyler> I had twitter rename @hudsonci -> @jenkinsci
[06:16:58] <rtyler> which left the account vacant
[06:17:03] <atmos> doh
[06:17:08] <rtyler> surely I could have squatted it, but that's kind of a dick move
[06:17:23] <atmos> pretty sure oracle already broke those rules ;)
[06:17:31] <rtyler> hudson-ci.org also has a new look according to said new fangled twitter account
[06:17:48] <atmos> i guess i'm still concerned as to why they even care
[06:17:52] <atmos> i guess they're just tha tout of touch
[06:17:57] <rtyler> atmos: because fuck kohsuke that's why
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[06:18:29] <rtyler> the decline of the invitation to Jenkins' board is one of the more vindictive moves I've seen by a corporation dealing with open source
[06:19:02] <atmos> i can't think of a single corporation that's trustworthy with open source at all
[06:19:06] <rtyler> redhat
[06:19:07] <rtyler> :D
[06:19:07] <atmos> vindictive moves or not
[06:19:23] <atmos> i guess
[06:19:34] <atmos> what do they actually oversee ?
[06:20:17] <rtyler> who?
[06:20:21] <atmos> anything other than fedora ?
[06:20:27] <atmos> redhat
[06:20:48] <rtyler> they employ a number of kernel hackers, IIRC a few JBoss guys
[06:20:52] <rtyler> GNOME hackers
[06:21:17] <atmos> yeah, i guess i forget about those things since i don't directly use the technology other than the kernel
[06:21:45] <rtyler> :)
[06:22:20] <rtyler> I'm looking forward to the first Hudson release whereby plugins are made incompatible
[06:22:30] <kohsuke> I guess Oracle folks weren't just sitting idle.
[06:22:39] <rtyler> kohsuke: of course not, don't think they are ever
[06:22:43] <atmos> so is that what the whole stink was about ?
[06:23:02] <atmos> basically blocking one of the main developers from the sanctioned committee or whatever ?
[06:23:15] <rtyler> atmos: the whole stink was about Oracle trying for assert dominance or control the overall project above all other contributors
[06:23:22] <rtyler> while not actually contributing nearly as much
[06:23:34] <atmos> gotcha
[06:23:59] <rtyler> atmos: there's a apparently some ill-will from Oracle management towards kohsuke as well
[06:24:19] <atmos> did he quit or something ? or was he ever employed there ?
[06:24:21] <rtyler> ..some of the things I've seen abayer and kohsuke referred to as, pretty terrible IMO
[06:24:29] <rtyler> atmos: he quit Oracle shortly after the acquisition
[06:24:38] <rtyler> like everybody else with a soul left in them :P
[06:24:49] <atmos> lol
[06:25:06] <rtyler> kohsuke: we releasing tomorrow or what? :D
[06:25:41] <kohsuke> I think that's the plan
[06:25:54] <rtyler> new wiki and issues up?
[06:26:06] * rtyler would like to get the welcome page sorted too
[06:26:25] <kohsuke> Working on reimporting them
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[06:27:30] <rtyler> on the one hand, I applaud oracle's decision to waste money investing in Hudson, especially now that the community is fleeing
[06:27:37] <rtyler> on the other, I find it infuriating
[06:28:11] <atmos> lol
[06:28:32] <atmos> kohsuke: is everything going ot github or are you using a different tracker/wiki system ?
[06:29:01] <kohsuke> We are cloning JIRA and Confluence
[06:29:15] <kohsuke> And I think we'll get the subversion repo up there as well
[06:29:29] <rtyler> github's issue and wiki components are pretty crappy atmos
[06:29:40] <atmos> gotcha
[06:29:54] <atmos> most contributors are svn users too i imagine ?
[06:30:14] <kohsuke> Yes, I think still a significant portion of code goes to the Subversion repo
[06:31:17] <ahhughes_> not keen on bitbucket?
[06:31:27] * rtyler starts to break out in hives
[06:31:31] <atmos> awesome
[06:32:13] <rtyler> atmos: you missed the drama yesterday, when an Oracle PM was going through and changing stuff around on the wikipedia pages for hudson and jenkins
[06:32:21] <atmos> nah, i saw that
[06:32:23] <atmos> shit cracked me up
[06:32:34] <atmos> it's lame but whatta you expect from oracle :)
[06:32:45] <atmos> rtyler: have you used the newer gollum wiki stuff ?
[06:32:53] <ahhughes_> atmos, an invoice.
[06:32:57] <rtyler> this guy: http://twitter.com/#!/DuncanMills
[06:33:04] <atmos> ahhughes_: lol
[06:33:08] * rtyler sends bad mojo his way
[06:33:32] <rtyler> kohsuke: have you and abayer talked about how we're going to auth SVN?
[06:33:44] <kohsuke> LDAP
[06:33:49] <rtyler> is that set up yet?
[06:33:56] <kohsuke> I've got that all figured out. Who do you think I am?
[06:34:13] <rtyler> um
[06:34:14] <rtyler> Oscar?
[06:34:33] <kohsuke> single account between JIRA, Wiki, and Subversion, complete with account self service app. Woo hoo!
[06:34:42] <rtyler> WOOHOO
[06:34:45] <rtyler> hosted on cucumber?
[06:34:50] <kohsuke> It even keeps track of your github account and ssh public keys
[06:35:04] <rtyler> gee whiz Mr. Oscar, that's fancy
[06:35:04] <kohsuke> and it'd be an obvious place to add CLA support
[06:36:13] <rtyler> kohsuke: have you talked with Winston at all about things?
[06:36:36] <kohsuke> Not much. We exchanged a warm sorry note.
[06:36:57] <rtyler> hug it out bro
[06:37:05] <kohsuke> He offered to have a lunch together with Andrew for just geek networking and no Hudson/Jenkins talk.
[06:37:13] <kohsuke> me and Andrew, I mean.
[06:37:35] <jieryn-w> squatting on @hudsonci twitter is diferent than #hudson irc chan? :-)
[06:37:48] * jieryn-w coughs loudly
[06:37:56] <rtyler> jieryn-w: if they ask, i'll relinquish
[06:38:03] <rtyler> oracle has *never* held any presence on IRC
[06:38:09] <rtyler> winston lurked for like, a week
[06:38:51] <jieryn-w> i don't see them using twitter much either
[06:39:37] <rtyler> winston doesn't, but oracle has hoards of marketing droids that clutter twitter
[06:40:07] <rtyler> "Check out this #ORACLE #TECHNET Webinar on #JDEVELOPER #SYNERLOGIC Pro!"
[06:40:29] <rtyler> I had @hudsonci following most of the JDeveloper/Java related ones for reasons I can't remember
[06:41:54] <kohsuke> Can few of you test http://jenkins-ci.org/account to see if you can reset the password?
[06:42:11] <kohsuke> your id is the same as before
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[06:42:35] <jieryn-w> stacktrace to page
[06:42:44] <rtyler> heh, tried creating a new account with my old name
[06:42:46] <rtyler> lulz
[06:42:54] * kohsuke facepalms
[06:43:03] <jieryn-w> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/330387/
[06:43:30] <rtyler> got my reset password
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[06:44:49] <kohsuke> jieryn-w: ah, that doesn't work because I don't know your real registered e-mail address
[06:44:58] <jieryn-w> i don't think i have one
[06:45:08] <kohsuke> So you can only look it up from your ID
[06:45:09] <jieryn-w> i am nefarious
[06:45:16] <rtyler> heh
[06:45:18] <kohsuke> I should clarify the doc
[06:45:23] <rtyler> kohsuke: does fisheye login work yet?
[06:45:41] <kohsuke> And tyler was able to create a new account when that should have failed?
[06:45:47] <kohsuke> So that's a bug, right?
[06:45:58] <rtyler> kohsuke: nono, it failed
[06:46:04] <rtyler> kohsuke: lollerful stacktrace
[06:46:14] <kohsuke> Right, graceful error handling is non-existent
[06:46:17] <rtyler> heh
[06:46:26] <kohsuke> OK, I guess I need to fix that before tomorrow then
[06:46:31] <rtyler> I'm going to exclude all the blocks from the right pane from displaying on /account/
[06:46:39] <rtyler> like I did for /welcome/
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[06:58:13] * rtyler wonders if he should update the look of jenkins-ci.org now that it's no longer hudson-labs
[07:02:26] <rtyler> kohsuke: http://demo.kiwi-themes.com/?theme=corolla
[07:03:07] <kohsuke> I think keeping the current theme is OK. It serves the continuity theme
[07:03:15] <kohsuke> But this theme does look cleaner than the current one
[07:03:47] <rtyler> the only issue I have with the current look is that I'm thinking I might need to hack at it a bit for a landing page
[07:04:51] <kohsuke> true
[07:05:07] <rtyler> not the end of the world
[07:05:20] <rtyler> so empty http://jenkins-ci.org/welcome :(
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[07:13:22] <kohsuke> My bad. Haven't gotten around to it
[07:14:02] <rtyler> heh
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[08:29:39] <ReneFiedler> hi, is there a page where all global settings are displayed ? I have a problem with STARTTLS, which I set in tomcat, but it does not seem to work.... I want to check weather this option is correct set
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[08:31:55] <pombreda> howdy fwiw I had taken the liberty to create the jenkins wikipedia page which has seen its lot of edits :P http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jenkins_%28software%29&action=history
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[08:39:52] <kohsuke> pmbreda: thanks for adding it
[08:46:58] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: STARTTLS? http://72.14.189.113/howto/openssl/tls-name/
[08:47:25] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: old URL was http://sial.org/howto/openssl/tls-name/ but domain seems abandoned
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[09:28:52] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: ok, now it's clearer what you want to achieve. Look at your HUDSON_HOME for config.xml
[09:29:01] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: you can read that file
[09:29:40] <akostadinov> You can use wireshark/tcpdump to capture communication between hudson and your mail server
[09:29:52] <ReneFiedler> ok thanks
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[10:13:19] <_W_> I'm still getting NO logging out of the IRC plugin, and no IRC connection attempt. I've added a logger for hudson.plugins.ircbot.v2.IRCConnection level ALL, and even do hudson.plugins.ircbot.v2.IRCConnection.LOGGER.info("test info"); in the "script console" and yet nothing shows up
[10:15:03] <_W_> the plugin manager says the plugin is enabled and active, same for instant-message plugin
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[10:30:10] <ReneFiedler> how does Hudson handle sending of Mails ? I verified with an standalon java-application that I have a certificate issue... So I add a java Property to trust that mailserver.... That works for an standalone Application with javamail. For Hudson I allways get : com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPSendFailedException: 530 5.7.1 Client was not authenticated, even though I add all necessary Properties in /etc/init.d/tomcat6.
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[12:56:53] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: how exactly are you adding these properties? Which distro are you using?
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[13:10:53] <ReneFiedler> hi , i fixed the problem.... As it turns out, tomcat ignores mail.smtp.ssl.trust. I have set it in the tomcat-startscript and checked via groovy, that this param ist set up.  So i have spoken to out it and they allowed the hudson/kenkins-master to send mails without STARTTLS ( so no certificate is needed)
[13:12:23] <ReneFiedler> I have written an java-mail-app which exactly has the same system-properties and in that case an email is sent.... But in Hudson not ( like I sad, I have an certificate issue...)
[13:12:53] <ReneFiedler> thanks akostadinov
[13:14:41] <akostadinov> ReneFiedler: nice you got things working after all
[13:15:22] <dogmatic69> hi all
[13:16:31] <dogmatic69> just starting to use hudson at wok, but seen there is some things going on. whats the recommended path to follow?
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[13:35:07] <ReneFiedler> @dogmatic69 i am not a hudson-developer and just reading the mailinglists(dev and user).... but all active core-developers working on the new fork. So I would say hudson is dead, long live jenkins ... at least longterm
[13:35:48] <ReneFiedler> But i have not yet tried jenkins...
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[13:54:53] <dogmatic69> ReneFiedler: so which one is own/run by Oracle
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[14:04:28] <_W_> dogmatic69, there's no Jenkins release yet, but when it's out, that's probably what you should use. Oracle has the Hudson trademark
[14:07:01] <dogmatic69> cool
[14:07:11] <dogmatic69> thanks
[14:17:29] <ReneFiedler> @_W_ yes... but you can build it.... right ???
[14:17:51] <dogmatic69> its just a fork so i guess so
[14:17:52] <_W_> ReneFiedler, not sure what progress are
[14:18:03] <_W_> last I heard something, package renaming were being discussed
[14:18:09] <_W_> (in here)
[14:18:36] <ReneFiedler> hm ok i habe to admitt i don t read all emails vom dev.. precisely...
[14:18:40] <ReneFiedler> k
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[14:33:26] <olamy> kohsuke around ?
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[14:34:32] <olamy> when you will be here think about git repo for http://java.net/projects/hudson/sources/svn/show/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-artifact-manager and http://java.net/projects/hudson/sources/svn/show/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-embedder
[14:34:45] <olamy> just %s/hudson/jenkins :-)
[14:35:03] <olamy> no if they are empty I can put all sources
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[14:35:11] <olamy> I just need the repo in github
[14:35:13] <olamy> thanks
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[14:58:57] <mwalling> bot renamed to jenkins at 7pm last night
[14:59:03] <mwalling> came in this morning, someone renamed it to leroy
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[15:39:02] <Plouj> hey guys
[15:41:36] <jieryn-w> yo yo
[15:48:27] <banoss> mwalling: lol ^^
[15:49:40] <Plouj> how would I launch a remote process with launcher, get its output so that I can parse it, and then send the output unmodified to the console logger? Right now I just do launcher.launch().envs(env).cmds(cmd).stdoutlistener.getLogger()).pwd(ws).join())
[15:50:04] <Plouj> I could just set stdout to a different outputstream, but how would I send it to listener.getLogger() after I'm done?
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[15:58:06] <dogmatic69> anyone interfaced with arduino?
[15:58:32] <mwalling> i have, but not jenkins
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[16:32:28] <myusuf3> quick question
[16:32:40] <myusuf3> you guys know how to run junit-plugin tests with hudson?
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[16:38:07] <cogocogo> Is it as easy as changing the source for apt-get to be able to upgrade my hudson install to jenkins?
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[16:45:26] <olamy> just reading some tweets arf the life is "fun"
[16:45:56] <olamy> I'm not really surprised with some people in fact
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[16:46:43] <rpetti> cogocogo: probably not, I would imagine you would need to copy your configuration files around, since the default locations have changed.
[16:46:51] <olamy> business is business
[16:48:31] <cogocogo> rpetti: You wouldn't know of any tutorials around yet?
[16:48:45] <rpetti> jenkins hasn't been released yet, so no. :)
[16:49:18] <olamy> changed you're sure ?
[16:49:26] <olamy> IMHO no
[16:49:52] <olamy> you can now use JENKINS_HOME pointing to your old HUDSON_HOME and it workd
[16:49:55] <olamy> works
[16:50:08] <rpetti> as I said, the default paths have changed
[16:50:14] <rpetti> not to mention the package name
[16:50:21] <rpetti> and the user it runs under
[16:50:45] <mwalling> see... i dont know what i think about renaming existing installs
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[16:57:10] <jieryn-w> olamy: i figured you'd join the .fr connection that is with sonatype
[16:57:31] <olamy> ?
[16:58:09] <jieryn-w> elecharny, ndeloof
[16:58:22] <olamy> jieryn-w don't understand I don't have any link with sonatype
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[16:59:17] <olamy> maybe I misunderstand you :-)
[16:59:38] <olamy> but I don't see any connection with those folks and sonatype
[16:59:51] <jieryn-w> my french is very bad
[17:00:02] <olamy> :-)
[17:00:10] <olamy> my english sometimes too :-)
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[17:16:14] <olamy> abayer around ?
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[17:25:05] <aheritier> Oracle prepared the fork : http://hudson-ci.org/ They didn't have the time for the proposal but they had the time to prepare a new web site. Funny
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[17:29:41] <statlor> huzzah!
[17:29:54] <statlor> so I didn't even try #hudson.. is it there? :)
[17:30:29] <statlor> hm how do I get back on the +v list? my IP should be the same
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[17:30:59] <statlor> wha.. it's +i
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[17:36:51] <mwalling> is it just me, or is van zyl a dick
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[17:39:35] <jieryn-w> flags #jenkins statlor +V
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[17:39:57] <jieryn-w> statlor: if you part/join it should be correct
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[17:42:34] <olamy> mwalling you don't know this guy well
[17:42:39] <olamy> but now you know
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[17:45:43] <drulli> jieryn-w: can you please give me voice back, too?
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[17:50:11] <jieryn-w> i did
[17:50:17] <jieryn-w> you just need to relog into chan
[17:50:21] <jieryn-w> and chanserv will voice you
[17:50:35] <statlor> van zyl just has a strong personality
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[17:51:38] <statlor> and his BS filter stays on high, which is probably a good thing for him
[17:52:21] <drulli> jieryn: Thanks!
[17:52:23] <olamy> statlor have you been involved in a project with him or working with him ?
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[17:52:45] <Tartarus> So... if my plugin is broken on the autobuilder should I worry at this point?
[17:52:57] <Tartarus> (Like a namespace thing I need to update?)
[17:53:05] <Tartarus> Or probably just a hiccup
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[17:58:04] <statlor> no just a lot of reading of conversations and blog posts, etc, being a long time maven user
[17:58:37] <Plouj> does hudson store the queue on disk when it is shut down?
[17:58:43] <olamy> wdym with BS filter (excuse my poor english :-) )
[17:58:44] <statlor> I'm saying, what may come off as being obnoxious is just him having a clear vision of what he is doing
[17:58:50] <Plouj> I'm wondering if that could cause duplicate items in the queue
[17:58:56] <statlor> he doesn't put up with silliness I mean
[17:59:16] <statlor> there are more important things to worry about
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[17:59:47] <statlor> I think it's a good thing
[18:00:11] <olamy> your POV sure :-)
[18:00:18] <statlor> oh definitely
[18:00:32] <rpetti> Plouj: Not that I know of. Every time I've shut down hudson with a full queue, it's come back up empty.
[18:01:13] <statlor> but I think part of the success of maven is that well-thought out vision and execution to back it up
[18:01:36] <statlor> seems like jvz is a big part of that, but that's just me as an outsider looking in
[18:01:39] <olamy> I can just say I have different POV (due to a long history in maven and probably with the time your POV will probably change )
[18:01:56] <statlor> ok now I'm interested.. what do you think my POV is?
[18:02:17] <statlor> jvz + maven are on my awesome list
[18:02:21] <statlor> like way up there
[18:02:49] <olamy> maven sure :-)
[18:03:04] <olamy> a project is first a community not onlyu one person
[18:03:06] <statlor> but I'm just saying, I can see how some people might get offended, especially if they haven't been involved in the maven community and just see some random email
[18:03:34] <statlor> I'm in violent agreement with you there
[18:04:38] <olamy> and opensource is opensource (sure companies can made money but as long as they respect the community)
[18:04:47] <olamy> community means users and other devs
[18:05:08] <olamy> see today yahoo announcement regarding hadoop
[18:05:23] <olamy> this company is a real opensource company
[18:05:33] <olamy> note I'm not working in :-)
[18:05:34] <statlor> mm hadoop
[18:05:40] <statlor> I've not seen this announcement
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[18:05:59] <statlor> hey I've made my company fork up money for maven training :)
[18:06:03] <kohsuke> Plouj: we do store the queue on disk. queue.xml
[18:06:18] <kohsuke> rpetti: so if it comes back up empty, I consider that a bug.
[18:06:44] <statlor> really tempted to get some jenkins consulting as well, if such an offer exists in the new cloudbees setup
[18:06:47] <olamy> see http://yhoo.it/i9Ww8W
[18:07:15] <olamy> hey kohsuke you here : hello
[18:07:18] <kohsuke> statlor: http://nectar.cloudbees.com/
[18:07:20] <statlor> my company firehoses so much money around, I figure I should direct it at some good sources
[18:07:24] <kohsuke> hi, olamy
[18:07:50] <olamy> think about me for github :-)
[18:08:05] <olamy> or btw I can start in my home and get it forked in jenkins
[18:08:08] <kohsuke> Yes sir, more backend libs to sync to.
[18:08:18] <olamy> thks
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[18:08:41] <olamy> sorry I'm a little out of time ATM for issues in maven plugin
[18:08:50] <kohsuke> np
[18:08:52] <olamy> I will try early next week
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[18:09:57] <statlor> kohsuke, I will eventually funnel some money your way.. I'd love to have someone come in and point out all the things we could be doing better
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[18:10:22] <statlor> eventually = in the next 6 months
[18:10:35] <kohsuke> I appreciate that. It helps me bring breads on my dinner table, so to speak
[18:11:39] <statlor> hey we all need more starch!
[18:12:12] <rtyler> kohsuke: nice work on /welcome/
[18:12:16] <statlor> hm this is for the repackaged product, but would you do just straight consulting on existing infrastructure?
[18:12:20] <rtyler> shall I add that as the default landing page?
[18:12:30] <statlor> or what makes you specifically the most money :)
[18:12:36] <kohsuke> rtyler: Yes, please
[18:12:54] <olamy> who owns jenkins on linked ?
[18:13:22] <olamy> I means Jenkins-CI
[18:13:34] <statlor> do you guys know if Oracle Enterprise Build Server is going to still use Jira for issue tracking as well?
[18:14:01] <kohsuke> statlor: no, I bet Oracle customers deserve something more "enterprisey" --- Fusion Middleware Bug tracking system 12g
[18:14:06] <rtyler> kohsuke: flushed caches, should be the default on jenkins-ci.org/
[18:14:18] <mwalling> damnit, kohsuke beat me to it
[18:14:29] <statlor> ugh so we have OSB and AIA
[18:14:37] <kohsuke> rtyler: where did the blogs go?
[18:14:39] <Plouj> kohsuke: so is it possible for duplicates to appear in the queue if the server is stopped and then the same job is queued by some trigger?
[18:14:45] <statlor> it is the achilles heel of our attempts to fully automate
[18:14:53] <rtyler> kohsuke: let me rename that "Home" menu to "blog"
[18:14:53] <statlor> so frustrating
[18:15:00] <Plouj> kohsuke: I have some queue/api/xml output which shows that it is possible, but it seems like a bug
[18:15:03] <aheritier> Use Jenkins
[18:15:03] <aheritier> See how to get more out of your Hudson.
[18:15:17] <aheritier> There is a Hudson in the home :-)
[18:16:25] <abayer> aheritier: For what it's worth, Ted claimed that they had the new hudson-ci.org website ready in November, but meh.
[18:17:05] <aheritier> thus it was ready for a long time
[18:17:08] <aheritier> pff
[18:17:33] <statlor> if I can help with any infrastructure/switchover tasks, let me know.. I'm in the process of upgrading our internal Jira from 4.1.2 to 4.2.3
[18:17:33] <ccutrer> so according to http://hudson-ci.org/docs/news.html it sounds like Oracle is planning to continue work with the hudson name
[18:17:46] <ccutrer> I'm guessing that means winston won't be joining the jenkins community?
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[18:17:59] <aheritier> But on the homepage of jenkins-ci.org there is an Hudson under to Use Jenkins
[18:17:59] <statlor> I'll tell my wife it's just more work stuff :)
[18:18:04] <aheritier> If soeone can fix it
[18:18:12] <abayer> I have to admit that I'm disappointed that Sonatype didn't bother to actually participate in the discussion on the future of the project publicly, but hey.
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[18:18:31] <mwalling> maybe sonatype was ted's "large user base"
[18:18:39] <mwalling> i mean, ego wise
[18:18:40] <aheritier> :-)
[18:18:40] <rtyler> s/maybe//
[18:18:52] <kohsuke> What's funny is that he's complaint about Hudson has been the lack of clear IP, yet now he doesn't mind contributing to the same codebase.
[18:18:52] <aheritier> :-D
[18:19:07] <abayer> aheritier: That, honestly, was always our assumption.
[18:19:32] <rtyler> reading Jason's email now, it's more clear IMHO that Sonatype was behind Ted
[18:20:15] <rpetti> still, is sonatype a major contributor?
[18:20:20] <abayer> Not yet. =)
[18:20:26] <olamy> but presume will be
[18:20:33] <statlor> to which one?
[18:20:35] <olamy> very soon
[18:20:57] <abayer> They've been saying for 1.5 years now that they're going to do a bunch of stuff in Hudson, lots of code to contribute, etc, but haven't actually delivered.
[18:20:57] <statlor> or both?
[18:21:06] <abayer> And now they're lining up with OraHudson.
[18:21:10] <olamy> I have to fix more issues in the maven plugin !!!!
[18:21:15] <abayer> olamy: =)
[18:21:25] <kohsuke> This time I do think they have changes they've kept internally ready to be merged.
[18:21:44] <statlor> bbl lunch panic!
[18:21:46] <kohsuke> What happens after that's gone would be more interesting.
[18:21:51] <olamy> kohsuke sure
[18:21:52] <rtyler> kohsuke: looks like Oracle and Sonatype have had a lot of changes they've been sitting on until you left
[18:22:02] <abayer> Oracle's got changes?
[18:22:08] <rtyler> well, hudson-ci.org
[18:22:12] <abayer> heh.
[18:22:13] <abayer> brb.
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[18:22:25] <rtyler> given winston hasn't contributed much to core lately, I would presume he's got stuff internally they've held back
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[18:22:45] <ccutrer> gotta love the kindergarten behavior
[18:22:49] <rtyler> heh
[18:22:52] * rtyler shrugs
[18:23:00] <rtyler> par for the course on both sides, I like calling people names :D
[18:23:10] <ccutrer> :)
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[18:23:29] <kohsuke> We can always merge changes we like.
[18:23:32] <rtyler> ccutrer: what will be important in the coming months for Jenkins to simply out-innovate OraHudson
[18:23:50] <rtyler> with kohsuke working on Jenkins, along with most of the other major plugin developers, that's good
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[18:24:07] <ccutrer> yeah, I have no doubt that Jenkins will become "the" Hudson
[18:24:53] <ccutrer> OraHudson will probably become the one "enterprises" use, because Oracle is willing to take their money for "enterprise" support and features
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[18:26:33] <rtyler> this behavior is comical at best, Oracle and Sonatype haven't done a terrible amount of *anything* with Hudson ever, but now they're saying to the community "all those gripes you had, we can make those go away, over in <trumpets/> OraHudson!"
[18:26:37] * rtyler shrugs
[18:26:39] <rtyler> back to work
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[18:27:28] <olamy> rtyler IMHO sonatype has done but internaly
[18:28:29] <rtyler> olamy: I agree, I think Oracle has done stuff internally as well
[18:29:28] <olamy> with sonatype help :-)
[18:30:22] <mwalling> git cherry-pick ftw!
[18:30:27] <ccutrer> lol
[18:30:32] <ccutrer> I was just thinking the same thing
[18:30:56] <Haloperidol> the ohloh.net link on the main page still points to hudson
[18:31:01] * mwalling might (*might*) maintain branches of commits ported both ways. maybe.
[18:31:11] <rtyler> Haloperidol: I've been debating what to do with taht
[18:31:17] <rtyler> I suppose I can nuke it for now
[18:31:23] <rtyler> the facebook like is for Hudson too IIRC
[18:31:27] <mwalling> rtyler: hudson-labs.org doesnt redirect back to jenkins-ci.org
[18:31:42] <kohsuke> mwalling: Yeah, I should fix it now
[18:32:03] <rtyler> kohsuke: I believe I made you an admin on that Facebook page before I left FB
[18:32:05] <rtyler> can you rename it?
[18:32:16] * rtyler removes ohloh for now
[18:32:22] <mwalling> in other news... jenkins needs a new logo. sorry, but the butler is theirs imo
[18:32:23] <_W_> so will jenkins core still require some kind of special agreement if I make a patch? Or just a compatible license?
[18:32:26] <Haloperidol> and is it possible to add a link to the google groups page for the mailing lists instead of just the links to nabble?
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[18:32:50] <kohsuke> hudson-labs.org now redirects to jenkins-ci.org
[18:32:52] <mwalling> kohsuke: better
[18:32:55] <mwalling> <3
[18:33:10] <kohsuke> rtyler: looking into Facebook
[18:33:21] <rtyler> Haloperidol: I'll update that page when we rename the lists today
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[18:33:59] <Haloperidol> ok, thanks
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[18:35:29] <hugod_> when hudson starts up it seems to rewrite the config files with default values for missing parameters - is there any way of stopping that behaviour?
[18:36:06] <kohsuke> rtyler: doesn't look like I can rename the group
[18:36:20] <rtyler> interesting
[18:36:20] <kohsuke> I can edit details, but not the name
[18:36:33] <rtyler> I wonder if you could ping facebook support?
[18:36:44] <aheritier> Just keep it and put a diabolic logo to say it is now a devil product
[18:36:50] <rtyler> heh
[18:37:29] <rtyler> hahaha, I hadn't checked this page in forever
[18:37:38] <rtyler> I'm glad the RSS feed kep stirring up likes and conversation
[18:38:32] <kohsuke> rtyler: is this a facebook "fan page"?
[18:38:36] <rtyler> yeah
[18:38:39] <kohsuke> OK
[18:43:55] <kohsuke> Err, not sure where to contact their support
[18:44:03] <kohsuke> all I get is pages of FAQ
[18:44:07] <rtyler> heh
[18:44:10] <rtyler> facebook is like that :)
[18:44:30] <kohsuke> I think I'll come back to this later
[18:44:36] * rtyler nods
[18:44:38] <kohsuke> Got more ducks to line up
[18:44:43] <rtyler> i'll remove that block from the welcome page in the meantime
[18:44:53] <rtyler> er, that like block from the social block
[18:45:24] <kohsuke> I wish we had some friends in Facebook who can tell us how.
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[18:50:58] <mwalling> ted... is still writing to the google group?
[18:52:14] <abayer> Until it's renamed, he thinks it's the Hudson group.
[18:52:29] <mwalling> okie dokie then....
[18:56:20] <rtyler> heh
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[19:02:26] <abayer> Ok, I'm impatient. I have decided it's 10am.
[19:02:42] <Tartarus> It's nearly 11am here ;)
[19:02:45] <rpetti> close enough
[19:03:01] <rpetti> what happens at 10?
[19:03:22] <rtyler> abayer starts the slaughter
[19:03:23] <Tartarus> next step in world domination I would assume
[19:03:30] <Tartarus> right, like I said
[19:03:37] <rpetti> nuclear war, got it
[19:04:03] <rtyler> I was thinking monkey-plauge
[19:04:06] <rtyler> plague(
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[19:04:11] <rtyler> I CAN TYPE
[19:04:15] * rtyler grumbles
[19:04:21] <rpetti> One jenkins job per target country.
[19:04:56] <abayer> Blergh - Google Groups is telling me there were errors found in my settings, but not what the errors *are*.
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[19:07:29] <abayer> I wonder if I should have deleted my placeholder groups sooner...
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[19:09:48] <Tartarus> ok, tmpdir moved, TMPDIR changed to a different directory path, testing stuff now
[19:09:50] <Tartarus> ga
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[19:24:15] <rpetti> "We are hoping that the community is the major driving factor in Hudson's future." ~ted
[19:24:33] <abayer> That something new or the email from before?
[19:24:45] <rpetti> 1 hour ago
[19:24:57] <rpetti> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/jenkinsci-dev/aJb1JChVa-s/V3GYOwUws6oJ
[19:25:00] <abayer> Gotcha.
[19:25:26] <abayer> My cat just walkeut that.
[19:25:32] <abayer> hahaha, she did it again.
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[19:25:54] <abayer> Aaaanyway, I was trying to joke that my cat had just walked on my keyboard, and that she must have something to say about Ted's statement.
[19:25:56] <myusuf3> abayer,  so if i was on the old list
[19:26:02] <myusuf3> i am on the new one as well correct
[19:26:05] <abayer> You're on the new one. SAme list, just renamed.
[19:26:07] <rtyler> myusuf3: yes
[19:26:14] * rtyler renames his folders locally
[19:26:37] <myusuf3> how would i get junit plugin tests to run in hudson
[19:26:56] <abayer> hah, the moment I finished the rename Oracle sent out email to the java.net mailing lists.
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[19:27:28] <mwalling> grr, it removed it from my favorites
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[19:28:43] <mwalling> This release will primarily
[19:28:44] <mwalling> de-couple the Hudson code from the old auto-update center back to the
[19:28:44] <mwalling> official Hudson update center.
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[19:30:59] <rtyler> abayer: the verbiage in susan's email is that we're going to autoupdate existing hudson installs
[19:31:07] <abayer> Which is not true.
[19:31:18] <abayer> We're explicitly and deliberately *not* going to do that.
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[19:33:24] <abayer> But hey, if that's what they want.
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[19:33:43] <rtyler> methinks they dno't particularly care about supporting random folks
[19:33:49] <rtyler> dallaz in dem contracts
[19:34:37] <drulli> myusuf3: what do you mean with junit plug-in tests? Eclipse/OSGi plug-ins?
[19:34:49] <eric_n-dfw> damn - oracle didn't waste any time blowing away the old web pages, did they!?!
[19:35:01] <myusuf3> drulli, yes
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[19:39:04] <drulli> You don't need to do anything special.
[19:39:27] <drulli> I'm using tycho and the tests are executed with maven3.
[19:42:38] <Haloperidol> Why have I never noticed an auto-update feature in Hudson? I'm sure I've looked for it when I prepared our first installation but gave up on it and wrote a cron job.
[19:43:02] <rtyler> Haloperidol: it's a little funky if you use native packages like I do
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[19:55:04] <rpetti> I would never dream of autoupdating our hudson installation...
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[19:59:46] <Kiall> rpetti, same .. except I would never dream of auto updating anything on a server ;)
[20:01:35] <rpetti> Kiall: totally true as well. :)
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[20:03:53] <jieryn-w> * Fixed a trademark bug that caused a considerable fiasco by renaming to Jenkins ---- nice
[20:04:24] <rtyler> ?
[20:05:55] <rpetti> ?
[20:06:18] <jieryn-w> in the gitlog
[20:06:27] <jieryn-w> changelog
[20:07:15] <rtyler> ah
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[20:22:14] <jieryn-w> http://jenkinsci.github.com/dumpinfo-buildwrapper-plugin/
[20:22:17] <jieryn-w> check that shiznit out
[20:22:41] <jieryn-w> going to try to do a site deploy with maven now
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[20:27:21] <ConstantineXVI> trying to set up jenkins to auth with crowd via the plugin, I get a nasty 500 error with a java.lang.StringIndexOutOfBounds stacktrace trying to save the config
[20:27:27] <macetw> How did "Jenkins" diverge from "Hudson" ?
[20:28:00] <Tartarus> macetw, Oracle has a trademark on Hudson and wouldn't give it to the community to own
[20:28:04] <Tartarus> +/-
[20:28:24] <macetw> Ruthless
[20:28:33] <rtyler> heh, it was a bit more involved than that
[20:28:44] <ConstantineXVI> it usually is
[20:29:07] <macetw> Is there a divergence of features?
[20:29:13] <rtyler> macetw: not yet
[20:29:31] <rtyler> macetw: most of the open source community behind Hudson has moved to Jenkins
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[20:29:45] <macetw> How about Kohsuke?
[20:29:50] <rtyler> he's on Jenkins
[20:29:59] <abayer> He damned well *is* Jenkins. =)
[20:30:12] <rtyler> </heroworship>
[20:30:13] <macetw> Yep, that's why I asked.
[20:30:13] * rtyler ducks
[20:35:07] <macetw> ... but how is Kohsuke earning money for the effort of 'being' Jenkins?
[20:35:28] <mwalling> he works for cloudbees?
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[20:36:27] <ConstantineXVI> anyway, this is what the crowd plugin's tossing at me http://jenkins.pastebin.com/GbQV13u1
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[20:37:30] <rtyler> kohsuke: think you should remove wjprakash from the jenkins team on github? :P
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[20:40:04] <ConstantineXVI> nevermind, this hacker needs more coffee
[20:42:03] <autojack> is there a new bug DB for Hudson^wJenkins?
[20:42:56] <abayer> Yes - it'll be up shortly.
[20:43:01] <autojack> OK
[20:43:38] <autojack> I need Hudson support for COBOL on Cogs: HTTP://WWW.COBOLONCOGS.ORG/INDEX.HTM
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[20:47:37] <atmos> you know that shit already works, right ?
[20:47:46] <rtyler> heh
[20:47:49] <atmos> we used CoC at my previous job
[20:47:50] <atmos> works fine
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[20:52:33] <kohsuke> rtyler: No, I don't think we need to. We welcome everyone.
[20:52:54] <kohsuke> And I doubt if he makes changes anyway
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[20:56:18] <mwalling> but it would be funny if he did
[20:57:31] <rtyler> haahahahhah, the number of "unsubscribe" requests hitting the hudson-dev list is hilarious
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[20:59:35] <kohsuke> and we hit The Register again: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/01/oracle_hudson_fork/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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[21:12:40] <nairb774> missed a 'hudson': (the <description>) https://github.com/jenkinsci/jenkins/blob/master/pom.xml#L39
[21:12:49] <nairb774> and I think the scm urls will need to be updated ;)
[21:14:09] <mikey_p> is there a good way to trigger a build when the contents of an RSS feed change?
[21:14:31] <atmos> mikey_p: the API is decent for that
[21:14:46] <nairb774> An external rss feed mikey_p?
[21:14:50] <mikey_p> i didn't know if there was a polling feature for that, maybe a plugin?
[21:15:28] <mikey_p> nairb774: yes, it's the release/commit log for an external lib
[21:15:39] <nairb774> Looks to be a plugin
[21:15:41] <atmos> you can poll the scm, i didn't see a poller for rss though
[21:15:43] <nairb774> 1 sec
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[21:16:50] <nairb774> http://groups.google.com/group/jenkinsci-users/msg/3c98182e3f940e4b
[21:17:02] <nairb774> might get you started...
[21:17:05] <nairb774> ?
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[21:23:23] <Optic> Is there a documented procedure for "upgrading" from Hudson to the exciting new Jenkins? :)
[21:24:26] <bradfh> Is it too late to have an incorrect github user ID changed in the trac-plugin repo?
[21:24:51] <bradfh> (bradfritz to bfritz in c689a8c and a few others)
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[21:36:11] <jieryn-w> WOOOOOOOOOT!
[21:36:40] <abayer> Did I miss something?
[21:37:44] <mwalling> abayer: jieryn-w said "WOOOOOOOOOT!"
[21:38:08] <abayer> Oh, alright then.
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[21:38:29] <mwalling> http://java.net/projects/hudson/lists/dev/archive/2011-02/message/10 <-- lol
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[21:39:40] <calculus> rtyler: I need new stickers, my hudson ones are out of date :(
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[21:41:30] <Tartarus> i dunno, I like http://java.net/projects/hudson/lists/dev/archive/2011-02/message/11
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[21:42:39] <olamy> kohsuke abayer I won't claim name if you fork https://github.com/olamy/jenkins-maven-embedder or https://github.com/olamy/jenkins-maven-artifact-manager
[21:42:49] <olamy> to https://github.com/jenkinsci :-)
[21:43:51] <cowboyd> so is there going to be a contest for a new logo?
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[21:46:26] <rpetti> maybe we should start one on 99designs?
[21:46:46] <mindless> abayer: did you rename github repo for clone-scm?
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[21:46:51] <abayer> Yes. =)
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[21:47:27] <mindless> ah, found it
[21:49:18] <kohsuke> cowboyd: I think it'd be a fun thread in the list
[21:50:16] <kohsuke> I think it helps people to think about something fun and pleasant.
[21:54:09] <cowboyd> agreed. I've been toying with the idea of having one of my designers come up with a theme in the past, now would be a great time.
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[22:21:59] <jieryn-w> http://jenkinsci.github.com/dumpinfo-buildwrapper-plugin/
[22:22:09] <jieryn-w> mvn site site:deploy for jenkins plugins on github
[22:22:10] <jieryn-w> working :)
[22:22:38] <rtyler> WOW! that's fancy!
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[22:23:09] <jieryn-w> the plugin is based on 1.393, so a lot of crap is based on old info
[22:23:56] <rtyler> jieryn-w: can I tweet a link to it?
[22:24:06] <olamy> jieryn-w where is this "wagon" deployer ?
[22:24:11] <abayer> jieryn-w: WIKI ITTTTT =)
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[22:24:25] <jieryn-w> rtyler: it's still very hudson-oriented
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[22:24:33] <jieryn-w> should we wait until a jenkins release and i will rebase && rebuild ?
[22:24:38] <rtyler> okay
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[22:24:52] <jieryn-w> olamy: https://github.com/khuxtable/wagon-gitsite
[22:24:57] <jieryn-w> abayer: oK!!!
[22:25:21] <olamy> nice
[22:25:31] <olamy> we have to build a hudson skin :-)
[22:25:32] <abayer> =)
[22:25:39] <abayer> ?jenkins. =P
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[22:26:08] <jieryn-w> kohsuke already has a really slick skin i saw out there a long time ago
[22:26:16] <jieryn-w> i think he built it several years ago, ..trying to find it
[22:26:38] <jieryn-w> https://github.com/kohsuke/maven-kohsuke-skin
[22:28:04] <olamy> btw wiki is probably better
[22:28:13] <olamy> one place to find all documentation
[22:28:23] <olamy> IMHO more easy for users
[22:29:24] * jieryn-w nods
[22:29:45] <jieryn-w> i gotta meet my girls for dinner, bbl
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[22:33:31] <rtyler> kohsuke: when should I tweet about the new wiki/issues?
[22:33:57] <kohsuke> I'm writing up a Wiki page about FAQs and so on
[22:34:06] <kohsuke> I then want more folks in this channel to try this out
[22:34:11] <kohsuke> Then general announcement
[22:34:13] <rtyler> gotcha
[22:35:18] <olamy> the authz mechanism will continue using java.net id/password ?
[22:39:41] <kohsuke> OK, so here's the call for action for folks in this list
[22:40:10] <kohsuke> I'd like you to see if your user account on jenkins-ci.org works.
[22:40:18] <kohsuke> Can you please take a look at http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/User+Account+on+Jenkins
[22:40:30] <kohsuke> ... and get your password reset from http://jenkins-ci.org/account
[22:40:31] <kohsuke> ?
[22:40:46] <kohsuke> I'd like to have that tested by some more folks before broader announcement
[22:42:51] * Tartarus waits for a new pw
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[22:43:57] <nairb774> reset worked for me
[22:44:14] <Tartarus> kohsuke, confluence page has a [ not ] at the end of the link about JIRA problems
[22:44:52] <kohsuke> Thanks. Fixed.
[22:45:03] <fcamblor> worked for me
[22:45:28] <fcamblor> kohsuke: maybe you shoud change the "reset password" button label
[22:45:55] <kohsuke> What should it say?
[22:45:58] <fcamblor> the "user id or email"
[22:46:17] <fcamblor> you should remove the "or email" if it doesn't work :)
[22:46:31] <kohsuke> ah
[22:46:36] <olamy> kohsuke it works
[22:46:36] <rpetti> password reset worked, jira and wiki logins worked, and password change worked.
[22:46:38] <fcamblor> (i dunno if it doesn't work.. I just followed indications :))
[22:46:53] <kohsuke> it actually does work, but I see your point. I'll massage the wording
[22:47:00] <abayer> fcamblor: the email address it has now is your java.net email address. =)
[22:47:02] <evilchili> hrm. is the disk usage plugin dead?
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[22:47:07] <olamy> change link http://jenkins-ci.org to http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Extend+Hudson
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[22:47:13] <olamy> to http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Extend+Jenkins
[22:47:15] <olamy> :-)
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[22:52:26] <Tartarus> Hmm
[22:52:38] <Tartarus> Well, I seem to have made things mad by hitting the reset button too many times
[22:53:05] <kohsuke> What happened?
[22:53:14] <Tartarus> Ah there we go, nm
[22:53:22] <Tartarus> embedded  newline in the copy/paste
[22:53:40] <kohsuke> Maybe I should have an extra space after the password to avoid that?
[22:54:09] <Tartarus> good idea
[22:55:49] <fcamblor> goal is to migrate existing hudson wiki pages to jenkins ones ?
[22:56:03] <fcamblor> or a wiki dump can be made ?
[22:56:46] <drulli> kohsuke: It works for me (almost). In the first attempt I also tried to change the default password, however this didn't work. Even though the result was SUCCESS the password was not changed. I then tried again to change the password and now its changed.
[22:57:18] <drulli> I don't know what went wrong, maybe I entered the wrong original password...
[22:57:44] <drulli> BTW: the public key field is quite small.
[22:58:11] <kohsuke> That's true
[22:58:55] <drulli> And my email is set  as 'drulli at java dot net' shouldn't that be 'drulli at dev dot java.net'
[22:59:16] <drulli> Or is this an alias?
[23:01:39] <kohsuke> drulli at dev dot java.net goes through legacy CollabNet-based java.net
[23:01:45] <kohsuke> drulli at java dot net goes through new Kenai-based java.net
[23:01:59] <kohsuke> I believe * at dev dot java.net will go black in a few months
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[23:02:22] <drulli> Ok, I see. I will use my gmail account anyway...
[23:03:54] <drulli> In Jira I'm only in the group jira-users, there should be a jenkins-developers group.
[23:05:01] <kohsuke> I forgot how it was used, actually
[23:05:07] <kohsuke> was it giving you additional access?
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[23:05:45] <drulli> Normally, dvelopers can edit and assign issues. users can only create and comment.
[23:06:09] <drulli> But let me check in the old instance...
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[23:06:24] <kohsuke> Can you edit and assign issues today?
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[23:07:54] <drulli> In the old instance I am member of jira-users, confluence-users and jira-developers
[23:08:27] <drulli> However, I can edit issues in the new instance. Maybe the role jira-user has too much rights
[23:10:47] <rpetti> what are the public keys going to be used for?
[23:11:07] <kohsuke> drulli: I think we should announce the instances with the current permission scheme
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[23:11:23] <kohsuke> We might be able to later add the dev/user distinction back, but I don't think I have time now to fix them all up
[23:12:08] <kohsuke> rpetti: thinking about enabling scp-based deployment of some sort
[23:12:14] <kohsuke> also useful for possible future github integration
[23:12:19] <rpetti> spiffy
[23:12:34] * kohsuke learns yet another new English word
[23:12:49] <drulli> that's ok for me. I think it's better to have too much rights (editing, etc.) than having not the possibility to create issues
[23:13:12] <rpetti> kohsuke: it seems that updating the user profile at /account doesn't update it on the wiki: http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/users/editmyprofile.action
[23:13:50] <kohsuke> Yes, known issue: http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/User+Account+on+Jenkins
[23:14:56] <rpetti> oh derp
[23:15:01] * rpetti should really read closer
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[23:15:41] <drulli> kohsuke: And I can't change my profile in Jira (as noted in the FAQ). The profile name is read-only I can only change my avatar.
[23:15:53] <drulli> The Email is readonly, too
[23:16:18] <kohsuke> Really? Let me check.
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[23:17:41] <kohsuke> With my test account, I seem to be able to change it
[23:17:50] <abayer> I was able to change mine.
[23:17:51] <kohsuke> You have to click the little pencil icon on the top right
[23:19:38] <kohsuke> account app redeployed to incorporate suggestions
[23:20:01] <kohsuke> I think it holds water
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[23:20:11] <kohsuke> I think we can announce that
[23:21:29] <olamy> go go go
[23:21:33] <drulli> Ok, I can change my name. The pencil button in the top right works
[23:22:37] <kohsuke> Probably worth capturing it in FAQ. It's less than obvious.
[23:23:13] <drulli> I'll write it down...
[23:27:11] <rtyler> kohsuke: can you tweet an estimated time for the first jenkins release so I can RT it?'
[23:28:33] <kohsuke> Will do
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[23:30:27] <ahhughes> is it just me, or does all that white, red and black on the oracle sites resemble Germany between say 1910-1942?
[23:32:09] <kohsuke> rtyler: done. I also wonder how best to link to /account from jenkins-ci.org
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[23:37:57] <rtyler> heh, just did a quick whois
[23:38:08] <rtyler> we've been waiting for Oracle to do something dickish since April
[23:38:18] <rtyler> that's when I first registered pharaoh-ci.org
[23:38:23] <rtyler> early april
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[23:42:28] <rpetti> kohsuke: maybe put a dropdown at the top bar called "Account" with subitems for Create Account, Reset Password etc...
[23:43:05] <Tartarus> So
[23:43:18] <Tartarus> Since folks are talking migration, do I need to update my code now or something?
[23:43:23] <abayer> Nope!
[23:43:28] <Tartarus> Or is autobuilder failure going to magically fix itself again
[23:43:31] <abayer> Not until you feel like upgrading anyway.
[23:43:56] <Tartarus> heh, so yes, I need to when I want to do the next release
[23:44:01] <Tartarus> I'll beta test a migration guide :)
[23:44:03] <abayer> heheh
[23:44:29] <Tartarus> esp if it has a link for that auto deploy thingy, given my past troubles
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