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[01:59:08] <atmos> is there a way to use the buildWithOptions url to specify a sha1 or topic branch to build ?
[01:59:24] <kohsuke> Ha, so Oracle decided to remove remove the vote result from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hudson_(software)&action=historysubmit&diff=411055927&oldid=410893336
[02:00:03] <kohsuke> "Drm mills" is presumably Duncan Mills from Oracle
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[02:10:08] <aheritier> kohsuke: :( stupid and so useless ..
[02:10:49] <kohsuke> I guess they read tweets
[02:11:59] <aheritier> :-)
[02:12:27] <aheritier> they don't yet know what a community is but they discovered some community management tools !!
[02:12:57] <luismreis> Hey, if you are trying to compile VirtualBox OSE on Snow Leopard here are some instructions. I hope they'll be useful for the next guy :) http://pi-pixel.tumblr.com/post/3021724967/how-to-compile-virtualbox-on-snow-leopard-with-macports
[02:13:29] <luismreis> (Sorry for the spam)
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[02:22:21] <atmos> is there a list of the params that can be submitted to the build url ?
[02:22:28] <atmos> or does it vary depending on the plugins you have installed ?
[02:22:49] <rtyler> kohsuke: that's an impressive edit
[02:23:07] <rtyler> kohsuke: anyhoo, the changelog podcast guys want to talk to "us" (read: you)
[02:23:38] <kohsuke> "the changelog podcast guys"?
[02:23:42] <atmos> whoa
[02:23:48] <atmos> they nuked the link ot jenkins and stuff ?
[02:23:49] <atmos> hahah
[02:24:05] <kohsuke> And he made an edit to Jenkins page, too
[02:25:45] <kohsuke> rtyler: we should do anything that helps us with publicity
[02:25:54] <kohsuke> If someone wants us to talk, we should do that
[02:27:31] <rtyler> kohsuke: https://twitter.com/#!/pengwynn/status/31847043643215873
[02:28:10] <kohsuke> Sounds good to me. Let's do it.
[02:29:57] <rtyler> kohsuke: I don't really know these guys, maybe you should ping them?
[02:29:59] * rtyler shrugs
[02:30:18] <atmos> i know those guys
[02:30:21] <atmos> they're awesome
[02:30:35] <kohsuke> Can you tell them our contact info (or ask their contact info?)
[02:31:57] <atmos> pm'd it to ya (if that was directed at me)
[02:32:15] <atmos> yeah i stopped following all the drama a while back
[02:32:22] <kohsuke> Thanks.
[02:32:35] <atmos> it'd be nice to have a summary and everyone's opinions etc
[02:34:33] <rtyler> that wikipedia edit bugs me
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[02:38:13] <kohsuke> Yeah, it seemed, err, unnecessary
[02:38:58] <rtyler> I think it's clear that Oracle is going to double-down on the fork
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[02:44:19] <mwalling> do you two remember "kennethritz" who popped into #hudson during the initial crumbling? he's a changelog guy
[02:45:36] <aheritier> Don't care, let them play with wikipedia. It's not what will help them to have users ....
[02:46:08] <aheritier> Could we have using some update center for exemple, some stats about the migration from hudson to jenkins ?
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[02:59:32] <abayer> I think changing worrying about the wikipedia content on Oracle's part is, frankly ,hilarious.
[03:01:14] <abayer> I mean, seriously?
[03:02:14] <aheritier> they will play with that, the mark. It is the only thing they have ...
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[03:27:15] <atmos> cowboyd: you wrote the hudson.rb lib, right ?
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[04:37:03] <rtyler> atmos: FWIW, I'm pretty sure that's him :)
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[05:05:51] <cowboyd> atmos: yep, that's me (was watching a movie)
[05:07:33] <atmos> i played with it some this afternoon but it turns out i'd done a bunch of the setup already from the debs
[05:08:01] <atmos> is there an easy way to trigger builds for branches and get the build id back when you queue it up ?
[05:11:27] <cowboyd> I don't think that you can trigger a build for a specific branch
[05:12:49] <atmos> i pretty much have it working via parameterized builds right now
[05:13:01] <atmos> i need some way to hook a request up to a build number though :\
[05:13:02] <cowboyd> unfortunately, the build command doesn't take any options... that's not to say that it couldn't though, we'd just need to extend it.
[05:13:14] <atmos> it just sends me back to the project page w/o a created id
[05:16:32] <cowboyd> wait, it sends you back to the project page? I'm not sure I understand your use case then.  If I understand correctly, you want to run `hudson build JOB_NAME` and have it return a build number?
[05:16:55] <atmos> yeah, i don't think it's possible with the way hudson works right now
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[05:17:24] <atmos> i actually want hudson build myapp origin/topicbranch
[05:17:31] <ahhughes> is there a config file or xml file or something I can manually change so that hudson doesn't run my job when it starts up? I want to disable the job.
[05:17:44] <atmos> you can do it via the ui ahhughes
[05:17:57] <ahhughes> atmos, that means I have to start hudson tho... I want to avoid that.
[05:18:20] <cowboyd> yes, there is config.xml in the webapp
[05:20:04] <ahhughes> really... hmmm, I just copied job X from one machine's $HUDSON_HOME/job/X   to another machines $HUDSON_HOME/job/X  so it won't know about it until I start.. if that will work at all?
[05:21:01] <cowboyd> that I can't tell you. there is also jobs/JOB_NAME/config.xml you can possibly disable it there
[05:21:29] <cowboyd> anyway atmos, have you checked that the API doesn't actually return the build number?
[05:21:33] <atmos> looks like i can do this via the queue api
[05:21:50] <atmos> yeah, the location is for the the builds which seems kinda silly
[05:21:56] <ahhughes> thanks guys.. heehehe jenkins :)
[05:22:05] <ahhughes> why jenkins?
[05:22:25] <ahhughes> hmmmm 108f here now.. hot.
[05:23:36] <cowboyd> hmm. that is weird.
[05:24:37] <cowboyd> while I'm here, I might as well ask if anybody knows of a way to have Descriptor tell what kind of object it describes without being parameterized? I asked on the list on Friday, but I reckon folks were preoccupide with other things :)
[05:33:20] <cowboyd> I'm out.
[05:33:27] <cowboyd> atmos: let me know what you find out. and any improvements we can make in the gem.
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[05:36:54] <ahhughes> there is a <disabled>true</diabled> in the ./job/job-x/config.xml :)
[05:37:13] <ahhughes> thats how I can disable the build manually.. w00t :)
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[06:06:44] <jyrkip> kohsuke, another open source podcast is FLOSS Weekly ( http://twit.tv/FLOSS ), just send email to merlyn at stonehenge dot com and I think that they are more than happy to arrange an interview :)
[06:07:25] * rtyler thought they hosted kohsuke already
[06:07:56] <jyrkip> ah, I tried to check that but might have missed
[06:09:04] * rtyler shrugs
[06:09:07] <rtyler> maybe they haven't
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[07:54:51] <simonetripodi> <ironic>I suggest to rename the 'Chuck Norris' to 'Jack Bauer' plugin, before Oracle would claim copyrights? :P</ironic>
[08:06:16] * rtyler grumbls
[08:06:34] <rtyler> that same oracle flacky that edited the Hudson wikipedia page made some edits on the Jenkins wikipedia page with some more bias
[08:07:39] <simonetripodi> yes, I just raw tthe diff page, that's scaring :(
[08:08:43] <simonetripodi> they completely censored the fact that kohsuke is doing commercial support as part of his own business
[08:10:37] <kohsuke> Maybe their plan is to act as if the voting never took place. http://www.webcitation.org/5w8qQ4fQ7 doesn't mention it either.
[08:15:04] <rtyler> just saw the note on hudson-ci.org
[08:15:09] * rtyler rofls
[08:15:25] <rtyler> it's clearly JUST abayer and kohsuke that decided to move forward with Jenkins
[08:18:34] * rtyler grumbles
[08:21:55] <rtyler> kohsuke: tomorrow's going to be fun, did you and abayer talk about a release?
[08:22:01] * rtyler needs to start getting mirrors renamed
[08:22:43] <rtyler> also, this guy looks like a total toolbox: http://blogs.oracle.com/groundside/
[08:22:57] <kohsuke> I think the release will likely take a few more days
[08:23:24] <kohsuke> Tuesday, maybe? That's what I hope.
[08:23:27] * rtyler nods
[08:27:14] <kohsuke> Yeah, that's him
[08:28:30] <rtyler> heh, he's on twitter too
[08:28:44] <rtyler> I think it's clear that Oracle is not going to play nicely
[08:33:57] <rtyler> kohsuke: the API is staying the same for a while
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[09:48:11] <dvdende> hi all, on wget -q -O http://pgk.hudson-labs.org etc the key cannot be found: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found
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[09:49:02] <dvdende> did this changed to jenkins too?
[09:49:52] <benmatselby> This may have been answered elsewhere, but if you are currently running hudson, will it tell you that there is a new release, and that release be Jenkins? Or do we need to install Jenkins from scratch? Is there a thread already on this that explains it?
[09:50:50] <dvdende> sorry i wanted to install new, i didn't found any  thread on the pgp key
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[09:58:25] <dennisE> anyone knows how to get the public pgp key? http://pkg.hudson-labs.org/debian/hudson-labs.org.key is not working anymore
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[11:01:51] <Deesl> can someone invite me into #hudson please?
[11:02:28] <Elvanor> #hudson seems to redirect here
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[11:02:34] <Deesl> precisely
[11:02:35] <Elvanor> I am just learning about the fork myself now
[11:02:51] <Elvanor> Deesl: hudson basically is forking into #jenkins
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[11:03:10] <Elvanor> Oracle says it will still support Hudson though, but as I dont like Oracle, I will go with the fork :)
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[11:13:54] <Deesl> Elvanor: thanks for telling me...
[11:13:55] <Deesl> :)
[11:13:59] <Deesl> appreciate
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[12:19:01] <banoss> cool :) the freenode IRC server is set up already :) Morning to Mr Jenkins!
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[14:16:07] <Mojito71> Hi, is there a way of getting Jenkins to use 24H clock? All my builds are in this format: May 10, 2010 5:26:18 PM
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[14:23:30] <AhtiK> Mojito71: See http://hudson.361315.n4.nabble.com/Date-format-td365448.html maybe you can tweak your locale settings
[14:24:07] <Mojito71> Thank you, I'll have a look :)
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[15:01:52] <cogocogo> Anyone knows if it's possible to tweak the output of the ircbot in some easy way? I would like to include an url to the changeset at the trac instance.
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[15:02:07] <abayer> Not without changing the code.
[15:03:26] <jieryn-w> cogocogo: i believe there is an open jira issue about configuring all of the messages which the irc bot outputs, interpolated with various data (a la irssi's message formats, or jenkins' email-ext plugin)
[15:03:41] <cogocogo> That would be pretty sweet!
[15:03:46] <olamy> abayer possible to add git repo for https://svn.java.net/svn/hudson~svn/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-embedder/ and https://svn.java.net/svn/hudson~svn/trunk/hudson/lib/hudson-maven-artifact-manager/
[15:03:51] <olamy> ?
[15:04:00] <mwalling> i'm going to look into the ext-email like functionality
[15:04:04] <jieryn-w> cogocogo: and colorized output! :) yum
[15:04:17] <abayer> olamy: Talk to kohsuke about that, I think - he's got mirrors of everything, dunno when he was going to push those into repos.
[15:04:31] <olamy> k
[15:04:47] <cogocogo> jieryn-w: More bling! ;)
[15:04:54] <olamy> kohsuke ?
[15:05:02] <abayer> I'm fairly sure he's still asleep. =)
[15:05:13] <jieryn-w> abayer: food for thought, low priority; it would be nice if someone would set up http://jenkins.github.org gitpages so that plugins could site:deploy into the gh-pages branches, for each plugin
[15:05:24] <abayer> Oooo, that would be nice.
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[15:05:47] <jieryn-w> http://khuxtable.github.com/wagon-gitsite/
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[15:08:19] <stephenc> @abayer what's the weather like in SF?
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[15:08:29] <abayer> Dark currently. =)
[15:08:39] <abayer> It was a bit wet this weekend.
[15:08:57] <stephenc> what rain and it is not november.... tsk tsk tsk
[15:09:00] <abayer> But looks like it'll be dry today, in the '50s.
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[15:09:23] <stephenc> the real dublin is just cold cold cold
[15:09:38] <abayer> My sympathy - it could be worse. You could be in Boston or New York.
[15:09:39] <stephenc> none of your pleasinton variety of dublin
[15:09:56] <abayer> Oh, that's not Dublin at all. That's some blasphemous forgery.
[15:10:03] <stephenc> ha!
[15:10:39] <stephenc> I just remember every time I got the BART it would be a "Dublin/Pleasinton bound BART"
[15:10:48] <abayer> Ahyup.
[15:11:08] <stephenc> might have had something to do with existing in pacifica!
[15:11:08] <abayer> I've actually driven past Dublin once. It was not interesting.
[15:11:22] <stephenc> I know I drove past it once "just to see"
[15:11:30] <abayer> hahaha
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[15:11:46] <abayer> For some reason, I don't think they get many tourists. =)
[15:11:55] <stephenc> and this place i'm working for (until March 1st) has an office in that Dublin
[15:12:34] <stephenc> anytime you have to send an email of the "somebody parked in my carparking place" you can accidentally tell all the people in that office
[15:12:41] <abayer> heheheh
[15:12:58] <stephenc> "All A__y_ Dublin" is not "All A__y_ Dublin - IRELAND"
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[15:14:31] <stephenc> I think they are used to getting emails for us
[15:14:31] <stephenc> to make matters worse, there was a Stephen Connolly working in that office for a while!
[15:14:42] <abayer> You have a doppelganger!
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[15:14:53] <stephenc> I went to school with a Stephen Connolly
[15:15:17] <stephenc> hilarity ensued with our maths teacher (who had one glass eye)
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[15:16:04] <stephenc> I'll have to start working on the fabled "coverage" plugin again...
[15:16:13] <abayer> Finally! =)
[15:16:16] <stephenc> hopefully I'll get a chance once I'm out of here!
[15:16:23] <abayer> Where are you heading to?
[15:17:42] <stephenc> not solid yet
[15:18:06] <stephenc> there's rumours... but until I have something I can sign that's just all they are
[15:18:18] <abayer> Understood completely. Good luck. =)
[15:18:40] <stephenc> hopefully i'll know this week
[15:18:53] <stephenc> anywho tomorrow I'm supposed to finally get my notice of redundancy
[15:18:59] <stephenc> :-D
[15:19:15] <abayer> Ohhhhh. Well, I'm glad you're as excited about that as you are. =)
[15:19:27] <stephenc> redundancy payment
[15:19:33] <stephenc> $-)
[15:19:51] <abayer> heheheh, yeah, I didn't mind getting laid off from Digg last fall quite as much as I could have for just such reasons.
[15:20:26] <stephenc> tax free redundancy payment
[15:20:33] <stephenc> plus because I didn't leave with everyone else, there's more to that than otherwise
[15:21:42] <abayer> Argh, I need my existing servers to stop having builds to run at some point so I can upgrade them to the Jenkins RC. =)
[15:22:06] <stephenc> That reminds me I should upgrade the servers here before I leave
[15:22:27] <stephenc> prepare for shutdown should do that for you ;-)
[15:23:44] <abayer> Yeah, but there's too many freakin' builds and they take hours. =)
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[15:28:07] <stephenc> well just kill them and live with the stormclouds
[15:28:22] <abayer> Nah, I'll be patient. =)
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[15:40:31] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: fixed rename regressions in the debian script
[15:40:32] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: In RPM, it's the "Obsoletes" tag that supercedes another package.
[15:40:32] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: This wasn't working.
[15:40:33] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Allow version to be set.
[15:40:33] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Typo as pointed out by Dean.
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[15:41:08] <abayer> Had to kill it to rename it. =)
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[15:41:58] <abayer> There we go.
[15:43:08] <mwalling> my xmpp bot just renamed by hitting save
[15:43:16] <mwalling> i should probably get oftc-hudson renamed
[15:43:20] <abayer> I mean rename the job.
[15:43:58] <mwalling> oh, the job :)
[15:46:41] <jieryn-w> yikes
[15:46:49] <jieryn-w> we lost all the node tying
[15:46:55] <hsoj> who was making the ubuntu packages?
[15:47:08] <abayer> Kohsuke.
[15:47:29] <abayer> And we lost node tying?
[15:47:39] <hsoj> ah, good deal
[15:49:45] <jieryn-w> yah
[15:49:54] <jieryn-w> my remote-slave-3 should not be building master trunk
[15:50:02] <jieryn-w> it had tied mostly just the static analysis plugins
[15:50:08] <abayer> It's allowed to, actually.
[15:50:39] <abayer> master trunk's bound to anything with remote-slave-1 (i.e., the old Digg slave now converted to a label) as a label, which includes your box.
[15:50:46] <jieryn-w> ah, maybe that #460 being blocked for 10 days just prevented me from dealing with it
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[17:51:06] <abayer> A bug! Greenballs doesn't seem to work with Jenkins. =)
[17:51:29] <kohsuke> okay
[17:51:51] <abayer> No idea why.
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[17:53:33] <jieryn-w> response code issue?
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[17:54:57] <abayer> The logs are claiming it's serving the green.png, but it's still blue.
[17:55:02] * matt_c has a panic attack after thinking about having to look at non-green balls again.
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[17:59:28] <abayer> Ah, no, Greenballs works. Just gotta force a cache reload.
[17:59:33] * jieryn-w snickers
[17:59:35] <jieryn-w> phew!
[17:59:45] <jieryn-w> greenballs is the most popularly installed plugin
[18:00:12] <ccutrer> really?
[18:00:21] <ccutrer> I'm not a fan of greenballs
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[18:08:13] <jieryn-w> look around for andrew's post about anonymous usage data
[18:08:29] <jieryn-w> check out the plugin installs, greenballs has by far the highest installation, by a factor of 10
[18:09:25] <jieryn-w> http://jenkins-ci.org/content/hudson-anonymous-usage-data
[18:09:55] <jieryn-w> oh, nm
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[18:10:11] <jieryn-w> i was thinking of something else, sorry :) that number is totally without fact
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[18:10:50] <jieryn-w> of the plugins which are not installed via default mechanism, scis-ad is 1st, analysis-core is 2nd, email-ext is 3rd, and greenballs is 4th
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[18:13:49] <ccutrer> heh, I must not be a "typical" user, then; of those four, I only have analysis-core installed
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[18:29:39] <matt_c> I'm a huge fan of the greenballs.
[18:30:23] <rtyler> heh
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[18:30:38] <matt_c> (I think I had to do the force-refresh thing when I first installed it many months ago)
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[18:36:58] <rtyler> kohsuke: I figure the former HL site should slowly move torwards being jenkins-ci.org/blog/
[18:37:08] <rtyler> I think the homepage should be nice, simple and clean
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[18:40:30] <pgmjsd> matt_c: Yes, "green is better than blue"
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[18:42:09] <rtyler> depends on whether you're color blind or not I would assume
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[18:43:53] <kohsuke> rtyler: +1. The landing page should have download links more prominent, guide people to the "getting started" section, etc.
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[18:49:18] <rtyler> kohsuke: jenkins-ci.org/welcome
[18:49:29] <rtyler> if you want to edit that to your heart's content, I'll make it the default landing page
[18:49:39] <rtyler> I'll add some sidebar blocks to that page for downloads
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[19:43:35] <rpetti> how delightful indeed!
[19:43:57] <rtyler> heh
[19:44:36] <lord1234> hi, is there a good tutorial on hudson somewhere?
[19:44:40] <rpetti> will the butler graphic be changed as well?
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[19:45:42] <rtyler> rpetti: there's some uncertainty on that right now
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[19:55:28] <kohsuke> hudson-admin: fork SICSoftwareGmbH/sicci_for_xcode as sicci-for-xcode-plugin
[19:55:44] <kohsuke> oh the bot isn't with us
[19:56:45] <mwalling> its probably very confused by the +i and +f
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[20:03:02] <kohsuke> probably
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[20:03:18] <kohsuke> jenkins-admin: fork SICSoftwareGmbH/sicci_for_xcode as sicci-for-xcode-plugin
[20:03:18] <jenkins-admin> I didn't understand the command
[20:04:00] <kohsuke> jenkins-admin: help
[20:04:00] <jenkins-admin> See http://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/IRC+Bot
[20:04:18] <kohsuke> jenkins-admin: fork SICSoftwareGmbH/sicci_for_xcode on github as sicci-for-xcode-plugin
[20:04:29] <jenkins-admin> Created https://github.com/hudson/sicci-for-xcode-plugin
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[20:19:05] <jieryn-w> :)
[20:21:37] <evilchili> has anyone run into a situation where invoking git on a build slave results in the repo directory being read-only?
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[20:22:05] <abayer> No, I have not.
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[20:30:09] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: typo
[20:30:09] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: Final touch up.
[20:30:10] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: bug fix
[20:30:10] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: renamed
[20:30:11] <jenkinsci_builds> * Kohsuke Kawaguchi: regression in renaming
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[20:34:04] <lord1234> when hudson does a checkout, what folder does it perform the checkout to?
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[20:40:55] <Tartarus> what scm?
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[20:44:08] <rtyler> lord1234: that's dependent on the SCM plugin
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[21:07:40] <kohsuke> Should 'hudson/hudson' on github become 'jenkinsci/jenkinsci' or 'jenkinsci/jenkins'?
[21:08:18] <abayer> Dunno.
[21:08:31] <kohsuke> OK, then I declare it will be 'jenkinsci/jenkins'
[21:08:39] <abayer> hoorah!
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[21:18:28] <kenneth_reitz> this is going to sound stupid
[21:18:38] <kenneth_reitz> but for some reason i can't figure out how to change what node a job is run on
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[21:19:20] <kenneth_reitz> it's not in the job configuration at all
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[21:20:44] <mwalling> yeah it is
[21:20:49] <kenneth_reitz> where?
[21:20:56] <mwalling> near the top... tie this project to a label or some string similar
[21:20:59] * mwalling opens jenkins
[21:21:26] <kenneth_reitz> ahh, restrict where this project can be run?
[21:21:50] <mwalling> estrict where this project can be run
[21:21:51] <mwalling> yeah
[21:22:15] <kenneth_reitz> thank you
[21:22:22] <mwalling> np
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[21:25:47] <kenneth_reitz> one other question
[21:26:10] <kenneth_reitz> for some reason, i don't have the option to trigger builds remotely with this installation
[21:26:16] <kenneth_reitz> I can with another installation i have
[21:26:26] <kenneth_reitz> is there a configuration of some sort that tweaks that?
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[21:26:37] <kenneth_reitz> these are my options: http://kreitz.co/2q1K3O132g1l043G2U1N
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[21:29:55] <kenneth_reitz> shouldn't there be a 4th?
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[21:37:18] <cowboyd> kohsuke: I know there is a ton going on right now, but did you get a chance to think about the ruby questions I posed last week on the list?
[21:37:39] <kohsuke> I've been meaning to get to it. Let me do that now
[21:37:42] <kohsuke> My apologies.
[21:37:49] <kohsuke> I really think it's very important
[21:39:54] <kenneth_reitz> oh thank god i fixed it
[21:40:02] <kenneth_reitz> it's not available if security isn't enabled
[21:40:04] <kenneth_reitz> seems silly
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[21:41:07] <kohsuke> cowboyd: do you have a stack trace?
[21:41:46] <kohsuke> kenneth_reitz: but if you don't enable security, you can just hit the "build now" URL directly without any credential
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[21:41:52] <kohsuke> Why does it need any configuration?
[21:42:13] <kenneth_reitz> ahh
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[21:42:18] <kenneth_reitz> i assumed there was more going on there
[21:42:22] <l1234> anyone here have experience with Ruby and hudson?
[21:43:13] <l1234> i'm having issues getting it to run a ruby script
[21:43:14] <l1234> http://jenkins.pastebin.com/wZxjaRDc
[21:43:19] <l1234> is the output
[21:43:31] <cowboyd> no, no stack trace, just 'SEVERE: org.jruby.proxy.hudson.model.Descriptor$Proxy0 doesn't extend Descriptor with a type parameter'
[21:43:48] <cowboyd> I am able to work around it by writing a one-off class for my ruby object to extend.
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[21:45:14] <cowboyd> If I make my ruby class extend this: https://gist.github.com/804760 and not Descriptor directly, then jenkins will put it into the DescriptorExtensionList for Cloud
[21:45:27] <kohsuke> Got it
[21:45:41] <kohsuke> Is your current work available on GitHub?
[21:45:41] <cowboyd> which makes sense, it must use the parameterization to decide what kind of extension you're trying to describe, right?
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[21:45:56] <cowboyd> yes, although my be hard to follow.
[21:45:56] <kohsuke> Yes
[21:46:11] <l1234> anyone?
[21:46:16] <cowboyd> https://github.com/cowboyd/fog.hpi/tree/more-ruby-less-java
[21:46:56] <kohsuke> Thanks. I just sent my reply
[21:48:10] <kohsuke> I'll play with this a bit
[21:49:00] <kohsuke> Oh, I know, I think I have an even better fix
[21:49:19] <aheritier_> kohsuke: I deploy your your SNAPSHOT this morning and I didn't notice any issue with changes.
[21:49:37] <kohsuke> aheritier_: Thanks. I saw the tweet from exo.
[21:49:42] <aheritier_> =-)
[21:49:50] <abayer> We
[21:49:56] <abayer> 're running it here as well. =)
[21:50:02] <abayer> And on ci.jenkins-ci.org
[21:50:19] <cowboyd> l1234: let me have a look
[21:50:44] <l1234> cowboy thanks
[21:50:54] <l1234> i'm stumped(i've never used hudson before and am sorta bustin my way through it)
[21:51:08] <kohsuke> I'm wondering if we should call the first release Jenkins 2.0
[21:51:20] <l1234> call it "Jenkins-notHudson
[21:51:32] <kohsuke> Or would it be creating a wrong impression about the continuitiy?
[21:51:38] <kenneth_reitz> hahahaha
[21:51:39] <kenneth_reitz> do it.
[21:51:56] <l1234> what you should do
[21:51:59] <l1234> is change one letter at a time
[21:52:12] <l1234> Judson, Jedson, Jenson, Jenkon, Jenkin, Jenkins
[21:52:15] <l1234> 7 releases, and u have anew name
[21:52:17] <abayer> I'd say either Jenkins 1.001 or 1.396 - going to 2 would be a continuity confusion.
[21:52:20] <jieryn-w> i think it would be better if they named their project Hudson-notJenkins
[21:52:34] <evilchili> jenkins 1.0 makes sense if you're not going to keep version parity with history
[21:53:01] <kohsuke> Going back to 1.0 has all kinds of problems with plugin compatibility detection and so on
[21:53:11] <kohsuke> We can't do that.
[21:53:12] <abayer> True. Probably will hit those if we went to 2.0 as well.
[21:53:19] <jieryn-w> nah
[21:53:21] <jieryn-w> 1.396 < 2.0
[21:53:27] <kohsuke> Exactly.
[21:53:41] <abayer> Ah, ok. My brain is not working well at the moment. =)
[21:54:27] <evilchili> you could always do a 3 release candidates at 1.39[789]
[21:54:34] <evilchili> then your 2.0 release has parity anyway
[21:54:36] <evilchili> :P
[21:55:16] <kohsuke> I'm not sure if I follow, evilchilli
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[21:56:25] <evilchili> yeah ignore me.  my brain is broken worse than abayer's.
[21:56:34] <kohsuke> :-)
[21:56:37] <abayer> ?and that's saying something.
[21:56:47] <evilchili> what can I say? I'm competitive.
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[21:58:36] <dty> As long as backwards compatibility with previous versions is maintained, it makes more sense to continue with the 1.xxx sequence. Save 2.0 for a compatibility break.
[21:58:50] <kohsuke> Hey, Dean
[21:58:59] <aheritier_> Jenkins 1.5 ?
[21:59:00] <dty> Draw a big line in the changelog if you want a visible demarcation.
[21:59:06] <aheritier_> To show the break
[21:59:10] <dty> No, 1.5 < 1.395
[21:59:16] <kohsuke> Yeah, I sense that we should stick to 1.396
[21:59:18] <aheritier_> but without being a big change like 2.0 will probably be ?
[21:59:33] <abayer> We kinda dug ourself a versioning hole with the 1.(weekly) format in the first place. =)
[21:59:33] <aheritier_> 1.500 :-)
[21:59:44] <kohsuke> abayer: no, that is a feature
[21:59:53] <kohsuke> I'm aiming for the world record dot release number.
[22:00:06] <abayer> heheh
[22:00:16] <abayer> You did see that Hudson takes up 36gb of 230gb total in Maven Central, right?
[22:00:20] <abayer> I think we're already impressive enough.
[22:00:24] <jieryn-w> pretty soon we'll be at 46Gb out of 250Gb on m2 central
[22:00:37] <kohsuke> Yes, now we are doubling the releases with Hudson and Jenkins both releasing weekly
[22:00:47] <jieryn-w> no way in hell hudson is going to release weekly
[22:00:59] <mwalling> haha oracle releasing on time?
[22:01:04] <mwalling> *COUGH* JDK7
[22:01:08] <jieryn-w> if they get 5 in 2011 i'll buy you a bottle of sake
[22:01:09] <abayer> We really need to find a way to avoid having to upload the war file and its jar variant both.
[22:01:11] <aheritier_> :-D Maven Central will be happy !!
[22:01:21] <lord1234> what kind of sake?
[22:01:53] <jieryn-w> what do i care? i'm not going to have to buy it :)
[22:01:59] <mwalling> heh
[22:02:08] <mwalling> jieryn-w: watch it, murphy will screw you
[22:02:24] <jieryn-w> abayer: please don't stop deploying the war, i use maven overlays and require the .war file
[22:02:29] <jieryn-w> that's how i customize and deploy
[22:02:33] <abayer> jieryn-w: More the other way around.
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[22:02:52] <abayer> The jar file version of the war is just deployed for tests to have it on the classpath - there's gotta be a better way.
[22:03:20] <jieryn-w> or m2 central overlords could simply prune their repo
[22:05:40] <jieryn-w> $ curl --silent http://repo2.maven.org/maven2/org/jvnet/hudson/main/hudson-war/ | grep href | grep -v metadata | wc
[22:05:43] <jieryn-w>     335    1674   37125
[22:05:55] <jieryn-w> that's like 5 years of hudson.. is it really necessary?? c'mon
[22:08:11] <kohsuke> cowboyd: fixed in http://jenkins-ci.org/commit/core/237dbe3e2b9c02b9419418dca07d28c51dde795d
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[22:09:46] <kohsuke> this way we don't have to do annotations
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[22:17:22] <cowboyd> kohsuke: you're the man!
[22:17:37] <kohsuke> How is the current state of the ruby binding?
[22:17:48] <kohsuke> I think we all love to get some updates on it at some point
[22:18:14] <kohsuke> And let me know if there's anything I can help. I've subscribed to the hudson.rb at googlegroups dot com
[22:18:43] <kohsuke> (and looking forward to seeing that changes to jenkins.rb soon!)
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[22:19:14] <cowboyd> heh, need to rename it to jenkins.rb soon. It's coming along pretty well and I'm starting to feel more at home with the internals of jenkins.
[22:19:58] <kohsuke> good to hear
[22:22:03] <cowboyd> I'm hoping to have my fog plugin installed on my jenkins server in 2-3 weeks, but as I go along, I'm trying to establish a skeleton that ppl can use to write their own ruby plugins
[22:22:23] <cowboyd> hopefully around march sometime.
[22:23:24] <kohsuke> And I hope to replicate this for other languages.
[22:23:30] <cowboyd> the good news is that I can now get jenkins to recognize extensions that are written completely in ruby, it can persist them and load them and now I'm trying to get it to provision nodes like a cloud. this is hard :P
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[22:23:52] <kohsuke> Yeah, you picked one of the harder extensions indeed.
[22:23:57] <kohsuke> It has more interactions with other things
[22:24:52] <cowboyd> yeah, the upshot is that other extension points should be easy.
[22:25:44] <cowboyd> also, did you think about how to intercept requests for jelly templates? It would save a lot of effort for language implementers to use their own templating implementations
[22:26:07] <kohsuke> We can hook up relatively easily with anything that generates well-formed XML
[22:26:21] <kohsuke> It's normally harder to let those template engines call back to Jelly taglibs
[22:26:22] <cowboyd> the main reason is that if I'm controlling the template context, then I can just embed ruby objects directly into it, and not have to worry about managing java peers or anything like that.
[22:27:05] <kohsuke> Are you still doing the weekly hacking session?
[22:27:10] <cowboyd> yes
[22:27:16] <cowboyd> every thursday at 8pm central
[22:27:17] <kohsuke> Once the dust settles a bit, I'd like to join that again.
[22:27:26] <cowboyd> yeah, it's been just me for a few weeks
[22:27:34] <cowboyd> that would be great
[22:27:50] <kohsuke> This would be a great topic for that.
[22:28:18] <kohsuke> You'll tell me about the entry point into your template engine, and I can hook that up.
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[22:29:04] <kohsuke> rtyler: what happened to all the +v flag here?
[22:29:17] <sshaw> any ant gurus around here?
[22:29:20] <cowboyd> awesome.
[22:31:01] <cowboyd> one more thing: how do I develop against jenkins cutting edge... I've been building against 1.380 just because I'm no maven expert and that's been working for me, but to pick up your descriptor change, I'll need the latest
[22:31:19] <kohsuke> Yeah, I should document that
[22:31:42] <kohsuke> you'll do "mvn -DskipTests source:jar install" from the top
[22:31:48] <kohsuke> and then "cd plugins; mvn install"
[22:31:59] <kohsuke> and now you have the 1.396-SNAPSHOT parent POM for your plugin
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[22:35:12] <cowboyd> so I should be developing inside a checkout of the hudson source?
[22:35:25] <cowboyd> er jenkins sourcge
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[22:40:33] <kohsuke> cowboyd: No, you just need to build it once
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[22:46:01] <evilchili> general question: how do you folks handle critical functionality tests? do you run them as part of the build job, or do you separate them into other jobs?
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[22:52:57] <rtyler> kohsuke: the +v stuff I haven't moved over
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[23:08:38] <cowboyd> ....while this is building other things to think about on the back burner for dynamic languages in jenkins is extending the api at runtime. like querying a model about what methods to expose rather than discover them via reflection
[23:08:55] <cowboyd> unless this is currently possible
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[23:14:42] <jieryn-w> how to constrain a particular hudson.tasks.Builder to be only available for a particular Job type?
[23:15:44] <jieryn-w> i'm converting an overgrown freestyle job with script into a first class job type
[23:16:00] <jieryn-w> as it is a very common task on our infrastructure
[23:19:39] <dty> BuildStepDescriptor.isApplicable
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[23:25:36] <jieryn-w> beauty
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