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[01:11:37] <rtyler|dos> tada :)
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[01:11:48] <rtyler> now joins will boucne here
[01:11:53] <rtyler> bounce here
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[01:12:01] <rtyler> I probably should have said something, whoops
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[01:12:07] <rtyler> :D
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[01:12:45] <Kiall> rtyler, probably ;)
[01:12:45] <rtyler> kohsuke: that's what happens
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[01:12:53] <Kiall> twas very confusing ;)
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[01:13:06] <rtyler> basically with the mode set, just needed to flush the channel and all the reconnects get bounced on over
[01:13:17] <aheritier> kohsuke: In theory yes, I just changed the neame in the AI file
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[01:13:35] <aheritier> I'm on mac thus I don't know if I have the necessary font
[01:14:11] <Kiall> rtyler, any news on when things like the package name etc will switchover?
[01:14:25] <rtyler> Kiall: slowly? I think abayer is working on the commits now :P
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[01:14:46] <abayer> Only cosmetic stuff - package names will stay as is for now.
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[01:15:08] <Stubbs> That's clever, how did you get the rejoin to redirect to "jenkins" ?
[01:15:14] <Kiall> cool .. will be nice to see oracle's hold on the hudson name wortless sooner rather than later ;)
[01:15:23] <rtyler> Stubbs: :)
[01:15:25] <Kiall> worthless*
[01:15:47] <aheritier> kohsuke: the font is Georgia
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[01:16:18] <octorian> I still wonder whether its only a matter of time before Oracle essentially destroys the usability of Java, and relegates it to some back-office legacy language no one cares about.
[01:16:34] <rtyler> languages never die
[01:16:41] <btQuark> octorian i think java is strong enough to live without oracle
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[01:16:49] <octorian> Then again, its pretty big in a variety of ecosystems that Oracle cannot really control, so anything is possible.
[01:16:54] <btQuark> especially the jdk
[01:16:58] <btQuark> jvm
[01:16:59] <Slide-O-Mix> congrats on Jenkins
[01:17:00] <Kiall> octorian, java is the only "safe" oracle owned project IMO .. its simple too big to go down
[01:17:08] <Kiall> simply*
[01:17:10] <rtyler> Slide-O-Mix: wilkommen :D
[01:17:19] <btQuark> "systemrelevant" kiall
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[01:17:45] <Slide-O-Mix> How soon can we sign the commiters agreemet for committing to core?
[01:19:13] <rtyler> Slide-O-Mix: that was one of the items up for discussion earlier IIRC
[01:19:18] <rtyler> where CAs go for now
[01:19:40] <Slide-O-Mix> cool
[01:19:44] <Slide-O-Mix> looking forward to Jenkins
[01:19:54] <Slide-O-Mix> I'd love to help out more than I was on Hudson
[01:20:22] <rtyler> looking forward to it :)
[01:20:27] <kohsuke> I could be wrong, but my understanding is that those who signed CLA with Sun/Oracle would continue to be able to commit.
[01:20:49] <Slide-O-Mix> I never signed one
[01:20:50] <rtyler> is there even a need for CAs anymore?
[01:21:33] <kohsuke> What I'm hearing from people is that the answer is yes.
[01:21:43] <kohsuke> partyle because Ted has been harping on that one
[01:22:06] <Slide-O-Mix> Why does it matter what Oracle says at this point?
[01:22:12] <rtyler> but unless the same authority is in place, any historical changes we can't treat as if someobdy signed a CA for the SFC anwyays
[01:22:30] <rtyler> Oracle is the only singular party that can lay claim to relicensing core right now
[01:22:45] <Slide-O-Mix> interesting
[01:22:57] <Slide-O-Mix> the next little while should be pretty interesting
[01:22:59] <rtyler> Slide-O-Mix: I'm an idiot, don't take anything I say as gospel
[01:23:08] * rtyler taps his head with a wrench
[01:23:12] <Slide-O-Mix> heh
[01:24:06] <kohsuke> What CLA ensures is that the associated IP to the code is available for users of the code to use (like patents, naming rights, etc. I think)
[01:24:34] <kohsuke> So as long as all the code fragments are covered under a CLA to somebody, I think people are covered.
[01:24:41] <rtyler> ah
[01:24:48] <rtyler> that makes sense, somewhat, to me :)
[01:24:56] <kohsuke> But IANAL. Take it as such.
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[01:25:29] <kohsuke> But with two CLA consolidation points, the difference is that now no one can singlehandedly relicense the code.
[01:25:36] <kohsuke> (which is fine, IMO)
[01:25:54] <Slide-O-Mix> is there going to be a push to put licenses throughout the source?
[01:26:28] <kohsuke> In the thread about rename votes, that topic resonated with a lot of people
[01:26:36] <kohsuke> It's probably something good to do.
[01:27:21] <kohsuke> I'm wondering if it's safe to commit to GitHub now or I should wait.
[01:27:33] <kohsuke> ... till it gets renamed
[01:27:45] <abayer> You can commit now, I'd say.
[01:27:50] <_W_> you're never safe from patents
[01:28:25] <_W_> any agreement from commiters will only be able to cover patents the committers own, so people still have to worry about it
[01:29:00] <kohsuke> abayer: Oracle won't own commits if I push them now?
[01:29:21] <abayer> Are you even covered by the CLA in the first place?
[01:30:53] <kohsuke> I suppose for now I'll just push rename related commits
[01:30:56] <kohsuke> Those they won't care anyway
[01:32:23] <abayer> Frankly, I don't think we should be making any other sorts of commits to core for right now anyway.
[01:32:53] <kohsuke> Yes, good point
[01:35:26] <kohsuke> Logo image pushed
[01:35:37] <Slide-O-Mix> woot
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[01:42:36] <aheritier> kohsuke: abayer : jenkins in prod : http://ci.exoplatform.org/ :-)
[01:42:50] <rtyler> heh
[01:42:57] <rtyler> the title still says otherwise
[01:43:36] <aheritier> :-)
[01:44:43] <kohsuke> but still, that was fast!
[01:47:27] <aheritier> kohsuke: Because jenkins team rocks :-D
[01:47:38] <aheritier> you are too good and fast guys
[01:47:57] <rtyler> heh
[01:48:12] <kohsuke> And we now have a Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkins_(software)
[01:48:19] <kohsuke> Thanks to whomever did it.
[01:50:58] <aheritier> kohsuke: The image you commited is weird when integrated in UI : http://ci.exoplatform.org/
[01:51:24] <kohsuke> Indeed
[01:51:34] <kohsuke> Hmm
[01:51:39] <aheritier> I think the image is resized by the CSS
[01:52:30] <aheritier> Let's go sleeping
[01:52:33] <aheritier> bye guys
[01:52:46] <rtyler> abayer: for some stupid reason that damned build #460 on remote-slave-5 will not die
[01:52:49] <rtyler> any ideas?
[01:53:00] <kohsuke> aheiritier: no, it's just a stale cache
[01:53:05] <kohsuke> when I reloaded fully it's looking great
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[01:57:51] <rtyler> kohsuke: did you do something funky to cucumber? looks like the RSS feed for HL just duplicated everything
[02:04:12] <Slide-O-Mix> can someone put the new logo up at "Jenkins" Labs?
[02:05:34] <rtyler> there's some more work to be done in migrating that stuff, disqus is going to make things tricky for me :/
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[03:59:58] <mwalling> [01-29] 21:55:16 [*] Irssi: Channel #hudson removed
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[04:09:34] <mwalling> why do i think ted is going to take Lynn Lin's email as an example and run with it :/
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[04:16:47] <jieryn-w> why do i think that ted and his legal team are drawing up papers against jenkins for the past few months?
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[05:04:45] <Slide-O-Mix> mwalling: which email?
[05:05:17] <Slide-O-Mix> oh, that one
[05:05:31] <Slide-O-Mix> jieryn-w: what type of lawsuit do you think they would being?
[05:05:32] <Slide-O-Mix> bring*
[05:08:14] <jieryn-w> it's what they do best, i don't think it even matters what kind
[05:08:22] <Slide-O-Mix> heh
[05:19:00] * rtyler shrugs
[05:24:33] <jieryn-w> hm, don't we have a url encoder in hudson.* somewhere?
[05:26:10] <Slide-O-Mix> yes, I believe so
[05:26:16] <Slide-O-Mix> hudson.util?
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[09:10:07] <Mazon> morning
[09:10:25] <Mazon> I am a bit in doubt about the logs with regard to the jenkins juxtapose
[09:11:27] <Mazon> I think the correct way to do this, is to start a "new" jenkins - and leave the old logs as hudson
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[10:08:28] <selckin> leeeeeeeeroy
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[11:34:28] <FauxFaux> A redirect?  Drastic.
[11:36:35] <FauxFaux> I can't see a link from jenkins-ci.org to whatever the source control is now.
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[18:03:30] <SeySayux> Why does your new name make me think of other things than CI systems?
[18:04:05] <kohsuke> abayer: ping
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[18:07:49] <SeySayux> Hey, is it possible to make certain projects only visible to certain users/groups?
[18:09:05] <mwalling> sure
[18:11:09] <mwalling> start here: http://wiki.hudson-ci.org/display/HUDSON/Securing+Hudson
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[18:27:19] <SeySayux> mwalling: I found that, but that doesn't explain a lot...
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[18:38:51] <nairb774> kohsuke, to keep from pulling a 'ted', you may want to try and pick a date for the transition and new release to be done by
[18:39:04] <nairb774> (re. the email you sent out)
[18:39:24] <kohsuke> OK, we can try to set a tentative date
[18:39:36] <rtyler> heh, it's not like a switch will be flipped, except for maybe the wiki and issues
[18:40:41] <kohsuke> I'd like it out some time next week
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[18:52:28] <rtyler> YAY
[18:57:25] <rtyler> kohsuke: are there any things folks in here can help do?
[18:58:19] <kohsuke> Right now, I'm also waiting for Andrew to push the s/Hudson/Jenkins/g change that he's been working on
[18:58:39] <kohsuke> And then I can push an RC, at that point we can ask everyone to try it out
[18:59:01] <kohsuke> When Wiki is out, we can also ask everyone to fix it up
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[18:59:49] <kohsuke> Another thing we could really ask people to help is to spread the word, but I suppose we first need a release for a PR to be effective.
[18:59:57] * rtyler nods
[19:00:12] <kohsuke> That's why I'm pinging abayer but I guess he's detoxing...
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[19:01:15] <rtyler> heh, it's funny because he's an alcoholic
[19:01:36] <kohsuke> Sounds like all the more reason to go detoxing!
[19:02:10] <kohsuke> In fact maybe I should buy him a massage or something to show my appreciation
[19:03:05] <rtyler> o_O
[19:03:14] <kohsuke> Oh that remind me, if someone creates a T-shirt or something on http://www.cafepress.com/ (or somewhere) with some funny catch line, that could help
[19:03:25] <kohsuke> Some people might feel like buying them to show their support.
[19:05:41] <rtyler> I was thinking of making a Che Guvera style t-shirt with the hudson logo silouette :P
[19:05:51] <kohsuke> That sound perfect
[19:06:15] <jieryn-w> that would be really really good
[19:06:32] <jieryn-w> i just got a good chuckle out of that :)
[19:06:51] <kohsuke> I wonder if he has some quote that we could parody
[19:07:16] <mwalling> Jenkins: With 100% less O
[19:08:22] <jieryn-w> "I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves." - Ernesto "Che" Guevara (source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ernesto_'Che'_Guevara)
[19:08:40] <mwalling> (its funny because its true: Hudson has 1 'o', Jenkins has 0 :)
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[19:09:05] <jieryn-w> that's a good one too
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[20:15:17] <Thell> :o jenkins!  Kind of a surprise to see the project name change and to read the posts leading up to it.  Congrats to the team and community for the work to keep the project truly community oriented and not leaving things in a 'out of control' state. :applauds:
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[20:41:17] <myusuf3> abayer, wow bro
[20:41:23] <myusuf3> some crazy stuff is going on
[20:41:44] <myusuf3> kohsuke, i am sorry to hear the sad news. I voted in support of the new name
[20:42:06] <kohsuke> Thanks for doing that
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[21:00:13] <akostadinov> congrats and well done!
[21:00:13] <akostadinov> (to the team involved in the work)
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[22:14:44] <atmos> anyone use the git plugin much ?
[22:14:51] <atmos> specifically on larger repos ?
[22:18:50] <myusuf3> i have
[22:18:52] <myusuf3> whats up?
[22:20:02] <evilchili> mine is currently about 11GB. Dunno if that satisfies your 'large' requirement
[22:20:17] <atmos> i'm using polling on a repo that's about 500MB or so
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[22:20:40] <atmos> when the polling runs it takes > 20 minutes and runs 'git merge-base' like a million times on various shas
[22:20:44] <myusuf3> so what is your question?
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[22:20:59] <atmos> i guess i'm wondering if there's a way to speed that up
[22:21:08] <atmos> or if it's the normal behavior ?
[22:21:12] <myusuf3> hmm thats interesting
[22:21:20] <myusuf3> i have repos that are alot bigger than that
[22:21:22] <evilchili> I don't use polling; dunno
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[22:21:46] <myusuf3> is it a must to have polling?
[22:22:26] <atmos> not really, it's just the easiest way for me to get everything going up front
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[22:22:45] <atmos> i also read that i can't use the github post commits because the hudson webhooks seem to want a git instead of a post
[22:23:16] <atmos> i guess i could write a miniapp to take the github post commits and then make a get call to hudson
[22:23:30] <atmos> i'm gona have to convince the sysadmins to poke a hole in the firewall for me though :\
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[22:28:04] <myusuf3> goodluck :P
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[22:51:10] <aheritier> about renaming kohsuke , I think you should change the .hudson directory, but you should try to use it if .jenkins doesn't exist. It is something we didn't do and we should ave done with .m2 for maven 3
[22:51:44] <kohsuke> I think for the first version I think it's better not to touch it.
[22:52:07] <kohsuke> You are right that down the road we can be smarter about this
[22:52:29] <Kiall> kohsuke, i would have said the opposite - all hudson -> jenkins changes are expected by sysadmins the first time they install the "jenkins" deb/jar/rpm if ya get me
[22:52:43] <kohsuke> Maybe we should create a branch to work on "after the first release" change?
[22:53:22] <kohsuke> Kiall: I think we need to trade that off with the delay of the first release
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[22:53:45] <kohsuke> aheritier: I'd love to get your help on those changes
[22:54:03] <Kiall> kohsuke, true .. but are you not planning on having another release or two under the hudson package name?
[22:54:09] <aheritier> yes. perhaps with a monitor to warn the admin if it finds data in .hudson and not in .jenkins (perhaps it can propose to fix it by moving data itself)
[22:54:47] <kohsuke> right
[22:54:53] <Kiall> If so, all those changes can be completed in a separate branch and merged in right before the first release under the jenkins package name? Either way - doesnt bother me :)
[22:56:21] <aheritier> kohsuke: ok, let me have a look at this. I will do a push request
[22:57:34] <myusuf3> quick question
[22:57:43] <myusuf3> i use hudson on a couple of machines at home
[22:57:48] <myusuf3> and several at wokr
[22:57:55] <myusuf3> how is the transition going to be like?
[22:59:38] <aheritier> just replace the war :-)
[22:59:57] <aheritier> I'm not sure we'll be able to use the update center ...
[23:00:01] <aheritier> kohsuke:  ??
[23:00:19] <kohsuke> That's something we need to think about
[23:02:50] <aheritier> I think this sort of migration should be a manual and intentional change from our users to ensure we won't create new issues with Oracle (If we try to deploy Jenkins thought Hudson resources)
[23:07:11] * kohsuke is waiting for ci.jenkins.-ci.org to build jenkins.war
[23:07:49] <kohsuke> I think we can then open it up for other people to help us on s/hudson/jenkins/g
[23:08:30] <aheritier> yes
[23:08:46] <aheritier> some jobs we'll have to be renamed in ci.* :-D
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[23:30:40] <aheritier> kohsuke: We have to take care of ~/.hudson but also about $HUDSON_HOME
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[23:32:50] <kohsuke> Again, in the first version I propose we don't touch those,
[23:32:57] <kohsuke> but going forward we probably need to honor both
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[23:34:14] <aheritier> I agree
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[23:39:23] <aheritier> kohsuke: seeing the size of changes to do, we'll have to try to list them and assign them people by people because many of them will touch near parts of code
[23:40:07] <aheritier> Just after studying what to change about HUDSON_HOME and default ~/.hudson location I found many locations to have to introduce fixes
[23:40:32] <aheritier> And it won't be just renamings if we want to have a minimum compatibility with existing installations
[23:40:51] <kohsuke> Yes
[23:41:05] <kohsuke> The portion we can work well in parallel is UI changes
[23:41:18] <aheritier> It's not  a difficult job to do but we have to be rigourous
[23:41:21] <aheritier> I agree
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